Mearsheimer, on China the "regional hegemon"

知己知彼,百戰不殆。
"Know yourself, know your enemy, and in a hundred battles, you will never know defeat.

The truth is Mearsheimer is rationalizing US projection of power in the far east for its own perceived power projection goals, which are destabilizing, and entirely unrealistic in light of US relative decline, the hollowing out of its industrial base and overcommitment worldwide.

The US has just not adjusted to the new reality. Mearsheimer can argue the US is still number one all day long, but China's industrial capacity is at least two times greater than the US, its shipbuilding capability many times greater than the US, etc. What's the US solution? Reshoring? Not really, it's to move US military logistics, maintenance and production and other "defense" burdens onto our allies in the Eastern hemisphere, South Korea, Japan and Australia, because our military industrial sector is unable to produce anything inexpensively. What happens in this instance? The production, maintenance and logistics train of the US military becomes more rather than less vulnerable as its bases and infrastructure are expanded onto China's doorstep. Those Asian states on the Chinese periphery that don't accept installation of US military infrastructure or at least US military products and the relationship with the US that accompanies it, must be undermined by one means or another.

Please wake up from the US is number one, delusions of world domination. That era is over; Washington just refuses to recognize reality. The US elites believe that it is not personally profitable for them to do so, so they won't. I wouldn't accuse Mearsheimer of venality, he is just biased and committed to his mechanistic theory that states are rational in their actions. There is nothing rational about US actions. On the other hand, he refers to anarchy, and the law of the jungle. This is a legacy of the social Darwinist intellectual trend that underlay western imperialism and later European fascism. These are emotional, cultural, and materialist drives that result in poor judgement and irrational decision making. The structural imbalance caused by the undue commitment of political and economic power to the miliary sector, and the empire abroad, drive policies that are often incompatible, if not entirely self destructive, and definitely not in the national interest. National policies emerge from competing ambitions and policy priorities among several constituencies at home and abroad institutionally, and factions within the policy apparatus itself, to increase their own power and access to national resources. Inside the Pentagon, SACEUR, CENTCOM, and INDOPACCOM all compete for resources to enable the next military effort. These resources are dwindling. Yet defense allocations are increasing at wartime levels.

The US cannot maintain 800 bases worldwide and at the same time produce a competitive conventional military capability to defeat China or Russia, and perhaps even less powerful states such as Iran, without resorting to nuclear war. In the case of Asian wars since WWII, that option has repeatedly raised its ugly head when the conventional force prospects didn't look promising. In his book, The Doomsday Machine, Daniel Ellsberg, lists 25 separate instances beginning with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when the United States threatened to use nuclear weapons to respond to international situations that it felt it might not be able to otherwise manage. More than half of these were in Asia. Many observers have consistently observed that there is nothing rational about threats or risks of nuclear war being entertained as actual measures in particular conflicts when the conventional armed forces are deemed inadequate. Theories about nuclear first strike options are floated often. In fact, such use is often entertained in a game theory context, rather than the inevitable actual aftermath of nuclear conflict which can be reasonably anticipated.

Something that has accelerated US decline in addition to American arrogance concerning the efficacy of military solutions, has been the almost interminable pursuit of elective wars over decades. These unnecessary and costly wars, based largely on pretextual grounds, accelerated the waste of national power and resources. Additionally, they were strategic blunders. Sunk costs in unnecessary military campaigns are not recoverable. There is no going back and changing the lost opportunities or recovering resources forever lost, caused by poor strategic judgements. The Vietnam war veterans I knew and worked with for a time, called that war a DUMPEX. What was the war's purpose? What horrible damage occurred to the US national interest when we withdrew? The damage to US interests was entirely self inflicted. It doesn't matter where the bombs are dropped, how many aircraft are lost, just make your quota. The outcome was really immaterial to the method. Now a declining and poorly led nation cannot even meet a quota, and has to inveigle allies to deplete their limited inventories of weapons to meet US instigated military campaign needs.

Mearsheimer's regional hegemon theory as proposed is essentially no different than the old domino theory. He should know better. His projection of US imperial goals onto China is distorting his vision. At the same time the US is following the "magic bullet" syndrome that plagued it in the Vietnam conflict. This is the idea that some sort of technical development like the high ground Space Force or digital full spectrum dominance (C4ISR) is going to give us the upper hand in China's backyard. Perhaps deploying long range US missiles to the Philippines and other archipelagoes will do the trick. Each buzzword, theory or acronym that is floated as a "strategy" is actually just another constituency for defense dollars and campaign contributions. The US which couldn't achieve victory in Korea, or Vietnam, or Afghanistan, now is failing in Ukraine and flailing over Yemen. These instances around the world since WWII indicate that it's time to drop this delusion of world domination. The alternative recourse to "boots on the ground" has been to surreptitiously divide and conquer, via propaganda, sedition, regime change, and proxy wars. This, the old formula of empire. Biden called for smart wars, aka proxy wars; in other words, let others die as proxies for the US. That has played itself out in Ukraine. Obsequious and corrupt elites in the Philippines and Taiwan have yet to figure it out, while some South Koreans and Japanese are beginning to see the light. Now it is said we have to "strangle China." "We can impose costs," Admiral Paparo says; and "We still maintain the nuclear first strike option." Is this rational policy?

Mearsheimer is not a China expert. On at least one occasion he said he is well received in China. This is primarily because of Sun Tzu's dictum:

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

This is the reason that Mearsheimer's views are studied there.

China understands the US, much better than we understand China. China relies primarily on soft power and restraint, while preparing for the next US provocation. Contrary to Mearsheimer's theory, China's perspective is that the one who has to go to war to achieve goals has lost already. Sometimes paraphrased as China wants to do business, while the west wants to do war. The Chinese arms buildup is primarily due to US threats and the arms buildup the US has encouraged in the region. The US needs greater insight into itself as well, but that is perhaps expecting too much.

Game of Bluff: Renowned scholar confronts Western 'neutrality' on the South China Sea CGTN

Anthony Carty discusses the results of seven years of painstaking research on western policy in the South China Sea and how the US cultivated this international issue to serve its own interests. If you have never heard this presentation, or don't have time for it, make a note to look at it, sometime in the future, because the South China Sea dispute and the US role in it cannot be understood without this history.

I wonder if Mearsheimer ever addressed Anthony Carty's analysis based upon diplomatic records from the 19th and 20th Centuries of the US, France and UK archives. The thrust of those documents is that the Philippines never had a valid claim to any of the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. The Chinese claim to South China Sea islands (the Paracel and Spratly Islands) and the other features in the Chinese claimed EEZ in the South China Sea; this "territorial claim" preexisted the Philippine and Vietnamese claims. The west insists that the claim has no historical or legal foundation which is simply untrue. The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea doesn't apply to the disputed territorial claims that preexisted its adoption; UNCLOS doesn't apply to territorial disputes at all such as those concerning Taiping Island, or Thitu Island in the Spratlys. Yet the UNCLOS 2016 decision, decided in favor of the Philippines and against China was ex parte, that is China did not even participate in the decision. Nor was the 2016 Permanent Court of Arbitration decision valid but rather it was void ab initio for lack of jurisdiction. When I hear so called experts from Taiwan and the Philippines (on recent Taiwan English language broadcasts) discuss the SCS dispute they are merely repeating western and Japanese talking points without critically examining the complete lack of a legal basis for the so called "compulsory arbitration." Freedom of navigation is a red herring as a contended US policy objective in the region. According to Carty, the US deliberately left territorial issues after Japanese withdrawal after WWII and claims by China in particular, unresolved in the 1951 Treaty of San Francisco, because it had no intention of yielding territory back to China, regardless of the historical record, or legal validity of Chinese claims. This is the cause of instability in the region.

Here is a much shorter video (3 min) with Carty which is a teaser for the much longer interview above.

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This is a lecture by Mearsheimer cited by many as an explanation of his theory of international relations.

The first 31 minutes lays it out.

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What is so unusual about a country monitoring foreign military aircraft approaching its littoral zone? This is routine. Same thing happens if one enters the ADIZ of any country. Also, that's not close in tactical aviation. I've seen video of Chinese interceptors "thumping" US military aircraft by approaching too closely in the past. Relative to the total number of encounters, the alleged unsafe encounters are relatively rare. These US military planes were either approaching the littoral zone or overflying Chinese artificial islands in the SCS. In one instance 24 years ago, a Chinese fighter collided with a US P-3 causing an international incident.

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China, Japan, South Korea and the countries of ASEAN just issued a joint statement
in which they take a unified stance against "escalating trade protectionism",
a clear reference to Trump's tariffs.

They write that their common "policy priority" is "to reinforce long-term resilience" of the region, which given the policies they detail clearly means building financial and trade infrastructure that
aims at reducing their exposure to the US.

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1919400888982290470?ref_src=twsrc%5Et...

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Japan has always tried to keep its markets open in China and Southeast Asia. It's lost ground in China in recent years. The ban on Japanese fish products in China was the most publicized. So had South Korea. The US had told South Korea not to try to move into the space created by Nvidia leaving the Chinese market for high end semiconductors. Lotte corporation had lost basically all of its retail operations in China, the loss was described as 13 billion as a result of the US THAAD deployment. The Chinese battery market tariffs will affect Korean car exports to the US, but that has been superseded by tariffs on autos produced in Korea and Japan, as far as I know. ASEAN intermediaries may help get restrictions on Chinese goods or other products from Japan or Korea through the US tariff mess. At this point I think China, Japan, and Korea want to keep whatever channels are currently available open. I think this does somewhat bolster Japan and Korea's position in tariff discussions with the US.

Japan and Korea have distinguished military considerations from trade relations with China. I think the hope was in the context of pre-tariff conditions, one can have military cooperation with the US and also have robust trade with China. It used to be that Japan was more hypocritical in this respect than Korea, because they are all in on the Indo-Pacific policy. But during the Yoon administration in South Korea, Seoul definitely drew closer to the US, and grew negligent with respect to balancing trade interests with China. I think I see Choi the finance minister from South Korea there in the picture, so they haven't lost all their marbles yet. No it's Deputy Finance Minister Choi, who was there according to news reports. The Finance Minister also named Choi, resigned as of May 1, when he was threatened with impeachment.

It's ironic that critics of the post on Arnaud's thread mock the ASEAN plus 3 as the new Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. My perspective is that it is the US vision to re-create a neo-mercantile empire of the Japanese Imperial Era type in Asia and it is on the rocks in both political and economic terms, so regime change efforts are underway in South Korea and Taiwan, as a form of "ally discipline." The rift between Japan and the US on these trade issues is quite significant. I don't think the Trump administration has any idea of what they are doing. This US trade policy is an anachronism. Navarro is living in the past, and Bessent has too much faith in financial sanctions. I was listening to some former US government advisors on sanctions and financial "choke points" talking about how effective they can be in manipulating other countries. I think this route is a big mistake.

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My subject line really should be "I am still trying to figure out why the animosity toward China may result in a war..."

I have of course heard explanations such as the war machine needs it for profits and other related reasons. In terms of manufacturing, American companies gladly and voluntarily went to China for lower production costs. Along with went the technology used to build the products. Although in some cases I wonder if that is true. Saw an Apple iphone assembly line and looked labor intensive and not at all high tech.

Democracy and genocide are some given reasons. However, the guys at The GrayZone looked at the early claims and totally debunked them and showed all the statistical problems like hyperinflated numbers based off suspect data. But those reports generated enough headlines and eventually various boycotts. The overt propaganda worked. As for democracy, give us all a break.

Just am getting back into an old hobby of knifes, knife sharpening, etc. Saw an discussion with two of the most well known content creators in that area talking about China and knife production. Basically China owns world wide knife production as they have the advance tool and manufacturing capabilities. Major names are now doing all their OEM manufacturing in China as doing it in the US not really possible. Not any issue of cheap labor, but China has all the advanced machine technologies to do it. And as as result, can produce very high quality knives at all price levels.

As it relates to Trump and tariffs, there is no way, knife manufacturing will return to the US unless there is a massive re-thinking of industrial policy not based on greed. (America does have many a custom knife maker, but those blades are expensive.) Can slap as many tariffs on steel, knives, etc, but that will never come back, and if it does, will require maybe decades.

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The US off-shored its manufacturing to save a few bucks.
Short term thinking. Now it will be major re-investments to
get the shops up and running again. I doubt the corpora-crats
will just eat the losses.

My favorite jack knife is a Gerber, made in Oregon? with good
quality steel. For the chef's knives, Japanese are very good.
Some of my old US chisels are excellent at keeping an edge.
Almost QMS proof, until I hack. Gouges are mostly Swedish.

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I'm thinking Thucydides Trap which I don't really agree with. The hegemon will always try to strike down the rising power? That's not how I read Thucydides in college, I was struck by Melian dialogue, which seemed to be a moral lesson on how the arrogance and pride of the powerful go before a fall. However, perhaps I was reading with the benefit of hindsight. Meirsheimer's view isn't that much different except that he says the Chinese as the rising power must be held in check. It may result in war, but not necessarily so. There's a chance it won't. (25%?)

"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"

This is the wikipediaanalysis of the Siege of Melos:

Thucydides explained that the purpose of conquering Melos was to demonstrate the strength and sternness of Athens so as to discourage its island territories from rebelling. Whether it was effective at discouraging rebellion is uncertain. Just a few years after the conquest of Melos, Athens suffered a devastating defeat in a military expedition to Sicily, after which rebellions happened throughout the empire. Whatever benefit the conquest of Melos produced was wiped away by the disaster that happened in Sicily.

I think about this in respect to the domino theory. If we don't fight the communists in Vietnam.... If we don't fight the Russians in Ukraine, our allies in NATO won't be safe. Russia will invade other European countries...I heard Niall Ferguson make this argument as a criticism of John Meirsheimer. And "no one will believe that we will defend Taiwan." Meirsheimer's position on Ukraine was that we unwisely provoked the war with Russia over Ukraine. It wasn't a vital US national interest. But ironically, in Mearsheimer's view as well as others in the US, a domino type theory is applied to Taiwan because of its great strategic significance in containing China within the so called first island chain. If we don't defend Taiwan from mainland China our allies in East Asia will lose faith in our commitment to defend them from China. China's warships will roam the world's seas. He also has a view similar to "it's better to fight them over there" with "six thousand miles of ocean to protect us."

In all these rationalizations it's simply presumed China is the bully and the aggressor that we are defending against to preserve our national interests. War is human nature, I heard this explanation today from another historian. This conflict with China purportedly is inevitable because of "theories." I think another theory in use in fact is the MacKinder theory of the heartland, in Eurasia, the world island. It must be controlled. This is another imperial theory. The fact is control of Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, the SCS, the Malacca Straits, etc., is necessary for the US to contain or strangle China for our own national defense. (Mahan).

Disregard for the moment that separating China from its parts has been the work of the west for the better part of two centuries. It's nothing the west or Japan did that resulted in long term occupation of major parts of China. The residual occupations after WWII by the US and its allies in Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines and Hong Kong were ostensibly benevolent in nature. Certainly the west never encouraged terrorism in Xinjiang or Tibet. It's China that's the bully.

Thanks for your thoughtful comment, Mr. Webster

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