Trump dares the Supreme Court to stop him
Once again we've arrived at the point where that MAGA crowd said that Trump would never dare go.
Donald Trump took one step closer to openly defying an order from the Supreme Court today—effectively daring the justices to defend the law or pack up and go home.President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador has emerged as a confederate of Trump’s, accepting planes full of Venezuelan citizens removed from the United States. Last month, the U.S. government deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran man living in Maryland with protected legal status. As The Atlantic first reported, the Trump administration acknowledged in court that Abrego Garcia’s deportation was “an administrative error”; last week the Supreme Court unanimously ordered the executive branch to “facilitate” his return to the United States.
Not only has the Trump Administration not brought him back, he's doubled down.
President Donald Trump on Monday doubled down on his idea of sending U.S. citizens to foreign prisons, telling El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele he wanted to send "homegrown criminals" to his country next, according to a video posted by Bukele's office on X.
Go ahead. Tell me I'm lying.
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Let's be fair...
He wouldn't be the first:
When Presidents Think About Defying the Courts
A brief history of presidents telling ‘so-called’ judges to get lost
Lincoln and Taney’s great writ showdown
Actually you only listed one example
Ex Parte Merryman,
The other ones were simple disagreements. Only Lincoln declaring martial law early in the Civil War, and this time did the president simply ignore the Supreme Court.
Only one is enough...
to support the point:
You're right
The only other time in history this has happened was at the start of a biggest, bloodiest crisis in American history.
Nothing to see here.
So what should the citizenry do about it?
Another civil war?
I've been ready for a major change since Reagan. But I don't think a revolution against Trump is in the cards.
My admittedly snide response to your dire warnings about Trump is to scoff at the futility that is your point of view.
So now, for once without snark, what do you want your fellow citizens to do besides agree with you about Trump being uniquely terrible?
I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.
I'm going to a protest at noon today
and there's another one this Saturday I will attend.
I can't say what you should do, except NOT discourage other people from doing something.
That does not answer the question
BUT I do salute you for taking a public stand. I'd wager a tall stack of nickels that I have attended more protests than you, if only because I've been doing it since my teens and now I'm real old. And I can tell you honestly that none of the protests since Nixon quit accomplished anything palpable. The Empire rolled on to new massacres after the Vietnam War ended and the treasure going to killing continues to grow every budget year. So, my ally, welcome to the struggle.
Too bad it took Trump to get you motivated.
My ongoing argument with you is 100 percent about the redundance rather than the uniqueness of Donald J. Blowhard.
I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.
You assume too much
I've been out protesting since Reagan was president.
AS for accomplishing something, I'll say what I told my friends to join me protesting invading Iraq in 2002: Whether this stops the invasion or not, at least you can say that you registered your dissent. You did SOMETHING. You said not in my name. That makes it worth it.
Speaking of too much assumption
I was needling you about being late to the party. I figured you to be a joiner. I am too.
As far as washing one's moral skirts by showing up at demos -- feels great. Doesn't stop the mass murder however, but at least you tried!
We are up against so much more than one loud mouthed TV performer.
I confess to being bitter about the Vietnam War, the Grenada War, the Panama War, the First and Second Iraq Wars which are still going on, The Afghanistan War, the hand in puppet war in Ukraine, and the US sponsored genocide in Gaza -- plus much, much more. All of it much bigger than any one politician.
Protesting all that evil shit is a necessary first step toward change. I'm looking for the next step which ain't fussing and fuming about Donnie Fucknuts.
I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.
When the catastrophes become far more powerful than they are now
It will be plainly apparent what we will be doing.
"Our Left is out to lunch" -- Richard Wolff
Agreed
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specific actions, not these watered down 'hands off' astro-turfed
demonstrations. Will be much more effective and less media controlled.
Like joe anybody can say: yeah, that makes sense. I'm into that!
Then we can get Korean style resistance.
A mind that does not detest bad government is foolish.
What astroturf?
The Dem leadership doesn't want to do anything!
I strongly suggest you guys get out there and look around.
But you aren't going to do that. Which is the point.
Sure
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whatev's
sometimes you are a bit confrontational
beyond simple obstinance
If what we can't see, which is obvious to you,
how does that make us wrong? Think about it.
A mind that does not detest bad government is foolish.
No offense meant
I was just annoyed with the pessimism.
To put the current opposition in context, remember the Women's March in 2017? Remember that it had corporate sponsors like McDonalds? That was clearly astroturf.
The current protests have no Dem leadership. No corporate sponsors. At some point a Dem is going to step out in front of and claim they are leading it. That's when you should be skeptical, but not now.
OK, I get that, thanks
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the point is these so called demonstrations are not organic.
They are being created for certain illusions to further the
cause of neutering public opinion, steering it into a pen of
ineffectiveness. Yellow ribbons and Ukrainian flags come to mind.
Sheepherding by failed progressives like Bernie is on the upswing.
This is not dealing with issues. You may have a point.
A mind that does not detest bad government is foolish.
Do you have any evidence of this at all?
Anything?
When was the last time you saw a nation-wide
demonstration unannounced?
Magically popping up?
Dark matters.
Your proof went poof.
A mind that does not detest bad government is foolish.
So if there is a nationwide anything
then it's astroturfing by definition.
That's why I had to ask.
Nice prediction
Quoting Ernest Hemingway:
Isn't it pretty to think so?
I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.
The upcoming Saturday protest, followup
to the April 5 events just happen to be scheduled for Holy Saturday, one of the most important days in the Roman Catholic liturgical calendar.
I invite you all here to consider that the same old coalition of liberal Jews and secular non-religious are not going to take down the current administration by themselves. The left coalition needs allies and needs to stop gratuitously offending people. Will protests be scheduled on Yom Kippur? Because, for Catholics, Holy Saturday has just about equal significance.
Mary Bennett
Perspective
As I have related before, I discovered message boards in 2001, as mainstream culture went nuts over 9-11. I somehow stumbled into Michael Moore's website, which had a very busy board with lots of lefty and lefty-ish regulars pitted against a snarling invasion of gun nuts and wingnuts who hated Bowling for Columbine. The "debate" was mainly an insult fest about the Trump of the decade, George Walker Bush.
The hissy fits were furious and after less than a year of my joining, Moore shut down the board. A group of anti-shrub regulars from around the world organized ourselves into a new message board which at its peak had over 300 members from all over the globe, including Canada, the UK, Sweden, Australia, and New Zealand. About half of us were Yanks. We called ourselves Downsize This and I was the first "owner" on paper -- but we ran the board by committee. We had minimal moderation and people unloaded on each other regularly.
That never bothered me as it is all just hot air, no matter how mean spirited a post may seem. We did not have a DBAD rule. In an ironic contrast to C99, I was in the Bush is The Worst Ever Camp.
My opponents in debate were Nader supporters who joined together to accuse me in unison of using my "power" to "control the discourse." This actually pissed me off as I was and remain a free speech purist and I had no power over the board as I did not have a clue about the mechanics of the board and I couldn't control the discourse if I wanted to.
We had lots of angry pissing matches until I finally stepped down as owner and handed off the business license to another board participant. The arguments and discussion continued until 2016 when the board finally went dark and about a dozen stragglers migrated to Facebook.
I recite all this to put in perspective my apparent rudeness as we discuss current events. We discuss extremely heavy issues here and it would be both ridiculous and boring as hell if we always agreed on everything. There are huge stakes involved as we consider what our government is up to. So it is understandable that most of us invest a lot of passion in our posts.
But there are no stakes at all to our conversation. So, to the extent that my own rhetoric projects negativity toward specific posts, I urge everybody to keep in mind that I am glad to be able to speak my mind and disagreement does not require hostility.
Cheers, all.
I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.