Personal Resilience: 10 Search Considerations for Locating a Rural Property
Morning resilience c99ers. Some of you are living in rural areas on acreages. I'm in a village in rural Ontario, planning to buy an acreage next year, when our last child graduates high school. I've made a list of property search criteria for the happy day when we can go look. I wonder if it might be helpful for you, and also if you might have additions, modifications, links, resources, and/or stories of your property search to share.
More below the grass.
In preparing for battle, I have found that plans are useless, but planning is indispensable. Dwight Eisenhower
1) Land features
Environmental factors
- No polluters
- No dumps
- No flood plain!
Check municipal maps
Regional features
Local agricultural products
What is sold at the farmers markets?
What products is the area known for?
Local economy
Are there towns that promote Transition?
Like local food, local shopping, co-ops, etc.
Are there any sustainability organizations?
Like local farm support, renewable energy stores, etc.
Regional climate
- What do the locals say?
- What do the experts say?
- What does climate science predict for the region and area?
For example, three years ago I flew out to Nova Scotia to look at properties along North (of Halifax) Shore on the Atlantic coast. Prices are low in Canada's Atlantic provinces. I found a gorgeous 35 acre property on the waterfront for a reasonable price. Things didn't work out and now I am so grateful. I now know what climate change is and will do in that region. The centre of the continent is best for climate resilience.
Microclimate
Hardiness Zone
Explore the micro-climates on the property
Sun versus shade on the property
Prevailing winds
Growing season
Ideal is 120 days frost to frost (Hey, we're in Canada :=)
Haliburton, ON (an area in which our family is interested), lies in zone E: 17 May to 26 Sep, =125-145 days
Gradient
At least the homestead acre should be flat
Ideal gradient is 20 degrees
Few stones (heh, heh, heh, I know, I know :=)
Watch for the Canadian shield/rock - it's everywhere up here :=)
Fencing
How much fencing does it already have?
Are there stretches that would be difficult to fence?
How much work would it be to keep the fence free of vegetative growth?
Soil
- Check Soil Map - http://sis.agr.gc.ca/cansis/nsdb/intro.html
- Check PH in various spots on the property
- Preferred Type: Not too sandy, not too much clay
- Observe present vegetation
- Soil tests?
Good drainage
Are fields tiled?
Are there any drainage pipes? What condition are they in?
Observe the drainage on the farmstead.
Check the state of the gutters on all structures.
Check the house basement and foundations. Er, building inspector, eh? Don't buy home without one.
Access
External
- Access road condition?
- Culverts?
- Fire truck accessible?
Internal
- Roads?
- Firebreaks?
- Paths?
- Fence structures and gates?
Reserve mineral and timber rights
This also provides protection against frackers.
A man is worked on by what he works on. He may carve out his circumstances, but his circumstances will carve him out as well. F. Douglass
2) Property Layout
The basic acre is the most important.
Look at the layout form as many different angles as possible. Here's my ideal diversified example: this is what I'm gonna look for to create if it doesn't exist.
- Farmstead: (see our planning guide#3; we have such guides for every item in this example)
- Orchard: fruits, berries & bees
- Family garden & greenhouse
- Herb garden
- Pasture: food forest, quarter-sectioned, multi-species grazing
- Field crops in rotation
- Fallow
- Woodlands
Hey, I can dream :=)
3) Water
A stream, if possible
Test for pollution?
Pond? Possibilities for creating one?
Well?
Minimum flow: 2-3 gallons per minute even in dry season.
Deep well? Depth? Well history?
Septic system
Age?
Certification?
Tested by municipality?
Last pumped?
It should be done every 3 years
If bed is not gravity drained, install alarm!
4) Market proximity
Where are the nearest farmers markets?
Are there local stores for consignment sales?
Roads and distances?
5) Social factors
Distance to city/town/village
City: 45 minutes ideal
Town: 30 minutes ideal
Village, bank & post office: 15 minutes ideal
Distances for family members
Education, arts, jobs, friends, sports
Accessibility as ecotourism destination
(We're gonna build an earthship. W00t!)
Not too much dirt road
Not too far from a main road
Distance to extended family
Our case: Haliburton: to Campbellford: 2:30 hours
6) Property zoning
Rural/Residential zoning?
Can it be subdivided?
Add houses allowed?
What activities are allowed/disallowed?
7) Permit questions
We've identified the unincorporated areas of Ontario and hope to find a property in one such area.
Building permits If needed
Attitude of the local building inspector?
Water & septic permits If needed
8) Property taxes
As farm 25% of municipal
Need $7,000 farming income gross over 2 yrs to qualify as a farm.
As estate Full municipal rate. Check that, BTW :=)
9) Aesthetics
Um, we’re cultural Anglicans; we find the sacred first in beauty.
Fixtures and structures (See Farmstead planning guide #3)
Remember Red Green's wisdom: "If the women don't find you handsome, they better find you handy."
10) Psychological factors
Sadly, I have PTSD
- Defensible
- High ground
- Other unmentionables
Minimize bugs (See planning guide #3; lotsa good stuff)
Sufficient privacy If none, create it.
The best (the perfect) is the enemy of the good. Voltaire
What else? I sure look forward to all your wit, wisdom, and knowledge on these topics!
Peace be with us, if we plan and prepare for resilience,
gerrit
Comments
nice, I wonder how to know upfront
if it is worth to drill a well for water on a lot that hasn't any access to any public water and won't get it in the foreseeable future. Water catchment structures are also not that easy to build and maintain.
And I wonder how one can judge the possibiity the land will be "taken" through eminent domain requests from government or corporations and how to protect against it.
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Contact your local water master...
...if there is one.They should have records of wells drilled in your area.
Solidarity
I'll try, but I doubt there is one, at least
most real estate agents I talked to have no clue about it.
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Local well drillers
are another source of guidance.
I had the good fortune to become friends with a geophysicist
who was in the business of locating underground water. There is an instrument that detects the presence of underground water by its interaction with some very low frequency radio transmissions. He surveyed my land using this. On a very dry piece of desert acreage he found an underground channel that proved to be right on the money when the well was drilled.
Morning wilderness v, TY for this info. You wouldn't perhaps
be able to find the name of this instrument? I'd very much like to know. Have a great day.
BTW, do you know the work of Aussie permaculture expert Geoff Lawton? He's done some incredible work making pieces of desert bloom like oases in the UAE and Oz.
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It was probably this:
http://www.abem.se/products/abem-tem/abem-walktem
Also, I thought this was interesting (pdf): http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/405254/Crawford-Su...
A good friend of mine is a big admirer of Laurens van der Post.
Oh wow, big TY for all this, wilderness voice. I've read and
saved both files for future reference in my folder of what I call our family's "Much More Funner Plan." We don't have any money and none to waste on fruitless drilling expenses.
The science of the Aussie study is a bit beyond me, but I do get the main points. The Aussies are probably midway between the Western US and the Middle East in terms of drying up with climate change and human abuse of the groundwater. They're very practical folks and are fast learning how to live in a more, ahem, Arrakis kind of Australia. I expect stillsuits there in a few decades :=)
I'm real glad to hear of someone from the Northern hemisphere who appreciates Sir Laurens. He was a first class bullshitter, but he was also one of the last great African explorers, a WWII hero and POW, a great man of letters, a fine student of human nature, sociology, and psychology, and a marvelous storyteller. I own most of his books, most of them yellowed and brittle: as a young man I didn't have the funds to buy the best quality books (hhmm, nothing has changed since then :=). But they are very precious to me and have taught me so much and deepened my soul, if I have a soul.
Thanks for all this my friend. Enjoy your evening,
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Hi mimi, I hope your day is going well. Those are pertinent
questions. In Ontario it costs around $30k and up to have a well drilled, depending on location, subsoil strata, water table, etc. I have no idea what it is in the various American states and hope someone could help us out.
You're also right about the costs of water catchment structures. I have collected some resources from DIYers and permaculture consultants that hopefully would make it cheaper and will look to put up a post about that some time soon.
Ah, eminent domain. Yikes. I know nothing about that horribleness. I would guess that it is worse in the U.S. than in Canada, but I don't know. My hope would be that the rural properties that our low-end middle class family could afford are so far from the dense population centres that eminent domain wouldn't become an issue.
Thanks for these, my friend. Sorry I have so few answers. I hope other readers could help us out a bit.
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thanks, gerrit, I am fine, how about you?
ok, those costs for well drilling are way beyond what I could afford and my guess is that where I am looking for a lot it would be double that amount of money. Sigh.
Looks we are not going to make it.
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I'm way too busy today for my liking, thanks, mimi. Don't lose
hope my friend, there are ways to reduce the costs. Here are some off the top of my head and hopefully other readers can help too. Plus, we're gonna talk about these things every weekend. That's my main topic, apart from spirituality, so I'll be here yakking about this stuff :=)
Ok, the 1st way to reduce infrastructure costs like a well, septic field, and access roads is to go in on an undeveloped property with like-minded, trust-worthy other folks. For example, my wife and I are going in on a property with our oldest daughter and her partner. We're going to share costs and income.
I hope to write up something soon on ways to share a property that reduces the usual risks, like loafers, unreliable contributors, etc.
The 2nd way is to offer a contractor creative deals to either lower the up-front cots or spread out the payments.
The 3rd way is to get financial help from NGOs and gov agencies that help rural folks. More about that in another post and we'll get American readers to help us with links and resources.
The 4th is $%^&* loans: not from regular banks - the crooks; but from co-operative banks, like credit unions and local development agencies.
The 5th is to buy an existing run-down farm, either through the real estate market or through estate sales. The advantage is that access roads,septic, and well would already be there. The downside is that the house and barns will be in bad shape. But if we're willing to learn and work then we just fix it as we live in it. I have a bunch of the Black & Decker and Reader's Digest DIY books that I collected over the years from used goods stores, like the Salvation Army or other thrift stores and from used book stores. I collected my tools over the years mostly from thrift stores, Habitat for Humanity Restores, pawn shops, Kijiji, and form hardware store sales and clearance sales.
Holy crap, this is turning into another essay :=) We'll talk lots more. Don't give up: you and your clever son and I and my family are gonna get there, mimi. Best wishes,
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Looks like you have enough of a family
and energy to start an otherwise difficult project.
In my case it's just the wish to have a home for my son that nobody can take away from him and some sort of garden he can self-sustainably feed himself, if he is out of a job.
I am scared to move to the countryside in the US. The first time I drove from DC to North Carolina and through Virginia and Western Virginia, I just got scared about the vastness, the loneliness and also the poverty I saw along the way. So, I think, I might fit into a Quebec or Ontario region or some Northeastern states, that feels a little bit more European, but that's me, not my son. We don't have family here. Also not much of family in Europe and both not a specific emotional attachment to any of the US regions. My son of course has that one to Hawaii, Maui, but then he couldn't have found a more difficult place to try to build his life.
So, we will see, where we end up. May be miraculously we will make it. I am very tired thinking about it. My son too. We really don't feel any specific attachment to any US location and if so, both to different ones. I by myself could live anywhere in Southern Europe.
I can live everywhere. I am just too old by now to get enthusiastic about starting all over. But I want to leave where I am now behind me. So, move we will. Question is where to.
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Morning mimi. Yes, the where is our problem also. Mainly
because of not having the money for buying an acreage anywhere in southern Ontario. So, I'm thinking of going back to northern Ontario. But that's a tough place for most folks. Because it's huge and sparsely populated.
I think you would find southern Quebec or Ontario very agreeable. Montreal especially is so much like a European city and Quebec culture is much more European than anything else in North America. In Quebec, speaking french is helpful, but it isn't a big problem. I got along fine in QC with my franglais. Hawaii is very expensive with lots of regulations. I've visited the main island a few times with the Navy. It's gorgeous but you have the paradise tax.
I hear you on how hard it is to start over. I'm driving myself to do this for the sake of the kids and the future grandkids. I'm sure you're trying to help your son the same way. It's real difficult. I hope you have a good day there in paradise today. Best wishes my friend,
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Eminent Domain?
When are they going to be wanting to put a pipeline through the property?
For some reason no one seems to be immune from the Petro Dollars anywhere...
Is gas fracking likely in the area?
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no, I don't think so, it's just either
very difficult mountainous terrain and also very little space on an island to begin with. I try to find arguments to convince someone to not be afraid of "eminent domain" take over a piece of land. I think in this case it's just very little land mass, fast increase of the population and considerable developer's take over of terrain for building houses.
I can't figure out in how far the fear of losing your land to "eminent domain" requests is a bit paranoid or if it is a real threat.
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Too right, Oldest son. Frackers and pipelines are a real menace.
We have stronger laws here, but you folks in the U.S. have real problems. I'm gonna make sure the mineral rights are secured in our rural purchase. And I'm going to have a long look at the various pipeline maps and proposed routes. Once established, I hope to make friends locally with first nations, farmers, and local greens to fight off the effing locusts.
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avoid being downwind of any intensive
livestock operation
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
too right, Untimely! In our area, we have to beware the pig
farms. The buggers hide them real carefully. We had warned our real estate agent about keeping us away from pig farms. And he was real good and open about them. We also used google's aerial views to hunt out weird-looking structures like dumps and factory farms.
The problem is not only the smell, but the groundwater pollution. That's the real killer. Best wishes mate,
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zoning
Don't forget, zoning can be changed on a whim by the County (in the U.S.). We are on an acreage in a rural area zoned for agriculture and residential. Now some people are petitioning the county planning commission to put a noisy "party" business right next to our 20-home development. Noise, traffic, fireworks, alcohol, this is not what we signed up for. They've been doing it without a permit for a while, so we know it's bad. We had to get all activist and testify to the county about our concerns. It was tabled last fall, now coming up again. We will have to spend time and money (for a lawyer) but probably we will lose. There are no enforceable ordinances out in the county. We found that out when somebody started a motorcycle "club" on his place, county said they could do nothing. Fortunately he went out of business (which was supposedly not a business to stay legal).
It is kind of a nightmare. Just be aware, anything can change. Just because it looks idyllic now, doesn't guarantee it will be that way in 10 years.
Been through the lawyer thing w/neighbors
In our case, it was about Who Owned The Road. The Town plows and "maintains" it, but our deeds say we own to the Centerline, meandering over time as it is. I am not sure it has been settled. We will never be compensated for the "taking".
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Yikes, sillia, that is horrible. Canada is better: it was founde
on the principles of peace, order, and good government. That placed a high premium on law and order. Sadly, your country was founded on a fairy tale of happyland pie-in-the-sky, which enables robbers and cheats hard working families.
My sympathies for your predicament and best wishes for fighting off such a noxious threat.
Help is available from NGOs like the Institute for Local Self-Reliance https://ilsr.org/
I have a bunch morel inks to get help for your problem. Sadly, my ptsd brain misfiles everything. I'll go hunt in the guts of the mac somewhere! Best wishes,
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please don't spend your valuable time
on this issue for me, much as I appreciate it!!!! I personally can't pursue this much due to illness; the guy we will hire to represent us is REALLY good and has long experience in our county--he will know all the tricks.
Some of our neighbors have been reluctant to hire a lawyer up to this point; they are cheap and I think have been hoping the problem would just go away by itself... now that it's coming up before the commission again though, I think they will see the need. I'm a big believer in good lawyers myself, especially when coming up against Repub/libertarian attitudes.
Two historical trends here, colliding. Yeah, the libertarian wild-west idea that people can do what they want on their own place ; the opposing idea that also has a strong tradition here is getting along and not pissing off your neighbors. And of course the law as it stands does not allow such an enterprise here (the zoning laws were established with a commitment to residential lifestyles and they used to be proud of this). But "exceptions" can be be granted, and the bottom line is these entrepreneurs are wealthy and money talks. So this depends on how corrupt the Planning Commission is, and then next in line how corrupt the County Board is. We will see.
In the meantime we all have to work hard on this, and I kind of resent it.
I have been through two land searches
Both for acreage (=space away) and "at the end of a dead-end road". Husband and I had no interest in farming. We were into woodland, scored twice. First in Wisconsin, outside of Madison where we were both employed. The property was about 3 acres, end-ish of road in a wannabe small-holdings road. Empty at the last two lots. Woodland, uphill from a field for heifers from the dairy farm across the highway (Canadian sense of county road). Top of hill, but minimal views. And a house, pre-built, assembled on-site by previous owners, and decnt ranch house, but cringe-worthy to architect-husband, even with cathedral ceilings. 19 miles away from Madison, not too nice on -20F mornings. 1980's recession, both jobs lost, moving time. We had "improved" the property, fenced an area for dogs, hub was taught fence-stretching by a farmer's son, hog fencing. Somehow we managed to walk with $15K profit. Used later.
Back to Ithaca, he was re-hired by his old firm, I found an academic job with kinda security. We wanted more than 3 acres, but near Ithaca for job and cultural reasons. Over 6 months with topo maps, a soil survey book of the county and $15K. We looked at existing houses (architect disapproval, me too) and then ventured into undeveloped property. Having an architect in the family was useful, in that he had an Idea. He wanted Passive solar, Superinsulated, of his design. we targeted hillsides facing SW, and then individual tax map properties, some of which were not for sale. We found some, making the chase more targeted. Hub realized turnover potential (if you wanted to go elsewhere) and it got down to school districts for us who had no kids. But it made a difference to be within the Ithaca City School District as opposed to outlying rural districts. We finally found this "difficult" lot that a wannabe developer had carved out, 21.5 acres or so with a 75 foot road frontage. He dreamed of a 10-lot, 2 acre development but it was a hillside, Marcellus shale very close to surface and his dream development failed perc tests.
The property seemed like a dream, 5 miles from Ithaca, school district yes, still rural gravel road, few neighbors, SW hill shoulder, valley views. Developer had had the woodland logged for prime trees, there was a dug (bulldozer) road though the property, but not from the 75' road access. Asking price: $24K, there may have been some negotiation, but with additional funds plus $15K we got it.
So a construction loan for a 2BR house, new well, new septic (Marcellus shale less than 2' down, mound filter), power and phone plowed under the drive that we cut out of the woods, meandering because we didn't want a straight-shot drive. 900' of meander, over 20 16-wheel dump trucks of rip-rap then coarse gravel then fine (all Marcellus shale, I am chuckling).
We traded a second bathroom for a solar DHW system on the roof. This was 1981, how avant-garde. Electric everything except wood heat as a supplement. With age that got tiresome.
Two kids, double house size. And then they grew and flew and my husband died. So here I am in a 4 bedroom house on woodland that I love and want to protect and adapt to warmer weather. With no funds to help. I am still trying to get the property into Conservancy, it is considered a water recharge area. I have trouble even growing tomatoes with the shade. ;(
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What a story, riverlover - how you've lived! Age is our big
consideration too. My mum-in-law is now coming to the same quandary. Her husband's health is failing fast, leaving her to manage a 21 acre property. Her health isn't too good either. And we can't join up to help, because dog-dammit they bought a steep hillside. It's like they've moved to Switzerland. We cautioned them about it's problems, but, sigh, they were in a hurry.
There are NGOs that could help you, especially because of your woodland's Yuge potential. Sadly, my filing system is run like our compost box...I will look. Best wishes and TY for the detailed search story. That's how we should look.
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Interesting and thought-provoking
A couple of other considerations that come to mind for me -- possibly not as pertinent in Canada, but I'd be looking for reasonable access to good quality medical care, dental care, and emergency services. How far away to a hospital? And I'd look at the area's politics, the local culture, things to do, people and social connections, the "community" to be found in a certain area. I love the idea of peace and quiet, solitude to a degree, but I also feel that too much distance can lead to isolation and lack of a supportive network. If that makes sense.
These are some of my own concerns when we think of moving out into the country, appealing as it sounds in so many ways. Thanks for an interesting read.
Welcome and TY, CSinAZ. Those are pertinent considerations
and I should have included them. They are important issues in our family's search also. Especially the medical resources. Thanks again,
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I have no hope of ever buying a place
in the country...I will bloom where I am planted...
I rent, and always have because I moved around a lot. But I have always left the place I rent better than when I found it. Where I am now is a nice, upper class neighborhood with older homes on a very quite side street. A mix of university students and retired people. We older people have built a nice community amongst ourselves and look out for one another.
I have access to existing gardens, and hope this summer to build some raised beds (animal proof I hope. We have racoons you could saddle and ride.) for a few veggies. Something I could expand if needed. I have LOTS of room inside my apartment. I can store a lot of "stuff" if needed.
I am also very good at improvising.
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Ty Martha. We've been fairly footloose too and I sure hope
to be buried in the next place. You've got everything you need in your neighbourhood: strong local community, a mix of ages, space for gardens and lots of potential for urban homesteading.
The biggest problems for cities in the climate age is infrastructure and logistics. You could solve those problems in your neighbourhood if the local community would be willing to work together in co-operative (intentionally in co-op legal structures) to create the necessary infrastructure to be resilient:
- a local electricity grid based on RE
- locally sourced clean water systems,
- local urban homesteading to provide most food,
- local skills-building such as canning, pickling, making, etc.,
- locally organized emergency preparedness, for such items as security, flood protection, resource collection, and all those things I'll remember at 2:40 am :=)
We should make a post about this, eh?
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Sorry, just getting back to this...
I've been out and about with Church stuff all weekend...
I live in a very Liberal/Progressive area... most of us oldsters are aging Hippies or Hippie Wantabees (like me... I came in on the tail end of the Hippy age) and a lot of us have community building in our blood. Lots of springs, creeks and waterfalls within a good bike ride if need be. Nice BIG lawns just waiting to be made into permaculture gardens...
Frankly, although I try to prepare some, I think urban survival will evolve/adapt as services from the city start to wane.
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Evening Martha. I'm real happy you live in such a nurturing
milieu. You're right, the urban permaculture/homesteading movement will transform communities with vision, courage and hard workers. As climate change bites deeper and urban infrastructure and civic life decays, those will be the only resilient communities.
The rest of the urban population, sadly, will become, ahem, fertilizer. First they will become homeless zombies en route to morphing into fertilizer. Resilient communities had better plan for self-defense medieval style. It is what it is, eh.
Enjoy your wonderful community and environment and keep them all very close to you, my friend,
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community
might do a web search for registered dems/independents in the county of your choice. look at board of supervisors/county officers/judges - along with recent decisions in support of positive legislation, police-community relations or horror stories.
look for leftish/organic support organizations. shop at local stores, read the flyers & bulletin boards. investigate what services (public transportation, ag help, fire department) the county provides or doesn't.
in any area the surrounding community will support & help you or destroy your plans. remember--in a small rural area it will be a couple years before you become one-of-us.
Well said, old wobbly, those are great points. TY. You're so
right about the amount of time and work it will take to become a part of a rural community.
We experienced that living in a village in northern Ontario. Wonderful place and people. But the locals made a distinction between those families who were there before the national highway was built there in 1960 and those who came afterwards. Families who were pre-1960 expected and got preference. And their youngster somehow got a lot of breaks from the law. The rest of us were on probation-for-life :=) Folks thinking about moving to the country need to expect this and adjust to it.
Thanks for this wisdom!
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Truer words...
When we moved to rural West Virginia, my dad (a native) warned us: "After 15 years, you'll still be the new people."
It's now been 30+, he's long gone, and we are still "the new people."
Too funny prfb :=) You and I will never be rural aristocracy!
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My brother got a great property...
In a residential area at the end of a cul de sac, there is another street parallel to his, but between the houses is a stream, and wetland, so no building there, it is woods, on the other 2 sides is state forest property... It's like having a yuuuge property, without having to pay property taxes on it...
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That does sound like a good set-up, Oldest son.
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This is my dream!
When we finally manage to sell and move out of suburbia, I'll be looking for something abutting a state park in Western Maryland - land that won't be built on and doesn't need to be maintained, but can be used and enjoyed.
But it will be a few years at least before we can consider moving. We're adding a bedroom and bathroom to our tiny house now for resale value, and won't be done probably for over a year, then I can start thinking about getting the rest of the house ready to sell.
But someday... I hope...
Morning haikukitty :=) We're at roughly the same stage eh.
We're hoping for next year, but we've been saying that for a while: life keeps happening! But with our kids coming home, the odds are much better now.
Western Maryland, eh. I've never been there and don't know much about the state. I like your game plan very much: find land abutting a state park. I keep my eyes peeled for similar properties in Ontario. Either next to a provincial park, or what we call "crown" land that isn't likely to be developed (all we can afford is the boonies anyway. :=)
Best wishes for the renos and the planning. I will share here on c99 our preparatory planning stuff and we'll talk back and forth and help each other figure stuff out. Enjoy your day!
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