Saturday Open Thread - 11/16/24: Odds and Ends

Good morning, good people!

Well, another week of trying to figure out all these Trump appointees and what they will do that's good or bad. My POV is they will do as they are told to do by Deep State, as always. Still, I have foolishly devoted hours of my waking moments speculating, which is exactly was Deep Stated planned.

I smell a rat.

This leads me to my latest case about which local attorneys will be discussing forevermore.

My client, a young man in a divorce/custody fight over his 2 kids, got romantically involved with a divorcing/custody fighting woman with 3 kids. Their respective spouses got together romantically, and the war is declared. What witness could tip the scales?

My client moved in with his g/f, and gf and her kids live with her rich Dad in his house.

Dad got angry with my client and his daughter, decided to help their respective spouses win their cases.

He testified at a hearing involving my client. It went something like this:

"My daughter and her bf ignore their kids. Bf likes rats. Sort of praises them as God's creatures. When I discovered his autistic child eating rat feces, Bf and my daughter laughed."

The only question I had about rat shit was why, if the man was so worried and upset, an exterminator was never called? Answer: I didn't think of that.

Several attorneys heard this. I guess I will be asked about how this case turned out forevermore. The Rat Shit Case.

It is way more likely the public worships the rats in politics as their God-sent Saviors than my client worships the rats in the kitchen.

I am watching this as I write on Friday night. A Nixon/Ritter assessment on Trump's appointees, because I want to keep wondering about it, wonder if the Deep State's plan has some reveals.

Does anyone besides me think some big attack by somebody on somebody else in the ME will happen before Biden goes bye bye?

I hope you will bring your opinion and ideas to the comments. We care about them and in an open thread, all topics are really cool beans, friends!

Let 'er rip!

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I meant to stick a shopping sticker shock experience in the essay, but I will do it here.
Last Sunday, I stocked up on toilet paper and paper towels for my office kitchen and two bathrooms.
Walmart brand paper towels, two 12-roll packs, two 12-roll Angel Soft packs. Please, sit for this: $76.00.
No wonder we are poor!
Your turn, friends!
edit: two 24-roll packs of tp. Both products are specialty items for cleaning up rat shit.
second edit post coffee consumption: two 36-roll packs of tp. Confirmed excellence for rat shit cleaning.

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@on the cusp
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Your TP investment must have been a specialty item
marketed for rat poo? And the towels for soaking up
the crazy river Wink

thanks for the OT!

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@QMS Seems the very basic necessities are those with the highest inflated prices. Damn, looks like it is by design, doesn't it? Keep the poors poor?
I am going to shop for groceries and such this afternoon. It will be as interesting as it is to meet needs.
We looked at a house for sale. A deal. If it sounds too good to be true, it isn't true. It was a dump. It used to be nice, but to my surprise, the once nice house next door is empty and falling down, and an illegal had built a house in front of it, then abandoned it. The illegal was said to be on the violent side. Soon, another illegal will come and use it for a secluded safe house. Unlike other states, Texas is endangered by the open border. Just a couple of weeks ago, an illegal was busted for hauling over 200 lbs of marijuana. The pot was grown and the arrest made about 15 miles from my home. At least it wasn't a cache of meth or fentanyl. This time, anyway.
Have some fun this weekend, my friend!

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@on the cusp Checked online cost of 4 rolls of six paper towels to equal your buy. $40 for low cost brand stuff. With tp about $60. Brand named stuff pushes price to what you got.

Best rat traps by the way:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=tomcat+rat+trap

We had very good results. What I like about it is that it is humane in that it immediately snaps the rats neck. I have seen rats trapped in glue and horrible suffering on their part. We have in our large yard rats but my wife says let them be, and hawks/owls nearby hunt them. If they get into house, then war.

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A beautiful day here. It was a cool 45F this AM and trade day was sparse. Headed to the mid 60's on this sunny fall day.

I'm expecting some sort of sabotage before Biden leaves office. I'm not sure what mode it will take. Could be escalation in the ME, but might be something else. Just as with Russiagate in 2016, TPTB will try to undermine Trump 2.0 in some manner.

I expected the reverse to be true, but...

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Should provide some entertainment as the empire collapses around us. Have a great Saturday. Thanks for the OT!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout We are only a few degrees warmer here, not so chilly it keeps folks home.
The sabotage is an absolute guarantee, the nail-biter aspect is the "how?"
The FBI and CIA constantly turn their sights on a politician or alt media person, and there is no telling how much we 99%ers are being surveilled all day long. I have been chatting on my cell phone, saying good bye to whomever I am chatting with, and always give a shout out to the NSA agent who is no doubt listening in, and apologizing there was no porn involved.
Have a fun weekend, dear friend!

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Glad to see the views of these Chinese international law experts clearly expressed in English, in terms that western lawyers and media should understand but will likely ignore. I wrote some posts a few years ago basically expressing the same opinion outlined below after reading the UN Convention on the law of the Sea a few times, and reviewing a few legal articles and reports on the same topic. This kind of review never made it into US media. Frankly China could have done a better job making their legal views known in English language media. Glad they published this on line. Below are just a couple of excerpts from one opinion that I think makes the legal argument of why the PCA UNCLOS opinion is void ab initio, both for procedural and substantive reasons.

Chinese Experts on the Situation of the South China Sea

Zheng Zhihua: Why did China not accept the South China Sea arbitration ruling? State consent is the cornerstone of the international dispute settlement mechanism, and dispute settlement bodies cannot exercise jurisdiction without the consent of the state. The substance of the arbitration case brought by the Philippines is the dispute of territorial sovereignty over some islands and reefs in the South China Sea. The case also inevitably involves, and is inextricably linked to, the maritime delimitation between China and the Philippines. The arbitral tribunal, knowing that territorial issues are not within the scope of the Convention and that maritime delimitation disputes have been excluded by China, nevertheless exceeded its jurisdiction and violated the principle of state consent. China does not accept any dispute settlement measures imposed on it concerning territorial and maritime delimitation issues. On 25 August 2006, China submitted a declaration to the Secretary-General of the United Nations in accordance with the provisions of Article 298 of the Convention, stating that the Government of the People’s Republic of China does not accept any of the compulsory settlement procedures provided for in the Convention with respect to disputes concerning maritime delimitation, among others.

The award violated China’s right as a State Party to the Convention to independently choose the procedure and method of dispute settlement and violated the duty of the arbitral tribunal to “ascertain that whether it has jurisdiction over the dispute”. The Arbitral Tribunal abused the principle of “competence-competence” provided for in Article 288 of the Convention, exceeded the scope of the powers conferred on it by the Convention and unlawfully assumed jurisdiction over subject matters that clearly did not fall within its jurisdiction. In international arbitration practice, “ultra vires” is generally regarded as one of the grounds for setting aside an award.

The award wrongly characterizes a dispute that is clearly about territorial sovereignty as not involving territorial sovereignty, and completely removes the “safety valve” of exceptions to the compulsory dispute settlement mechanism for issues such as historic title and maritime delimitation, thus rendering the optional exceptions to the compulsory dispute settlement procedure completely ineffective. Instead of resolving the dispute over territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests between China and the Philippines, the ruling has intensified the dispute and widened the differences in many respects, even making certain contradictions irreconcilable, with the risk of triggering new conflicts and escalating old ones. The ruling seriously undermines the credibility of the dispute settlement mechanism under the Convention, and China has no reason or obligation to accept such an absurd ruling.

(naturally, I'm claiming the fair use exception to the copyright)

On another major legal development in South Korea

Democratic Party leader and National Assembly Representative Lee Jae-myung was found guilty by the trial court after his first trial on charges of a campaign law violation lying about material facts during an election campaign. The charges of lying go back to circumstances surrounding the Daejongdong development scandal, aka the Hwacheon Daeyoo scandal, concerning land use change applications for the Baekhyungdong development, etc. The representations concern whether he was lying when he said he didn't know and didn't have a private relationship with Kim Moon-ki a lower level employee involved in project negotiations between Seongnam and Hwacheon Daeyoo. Lee had been mayor of Seongnam and later governor of Gyeonggido when the alleged misrepresentations were made.

There are a multitude of strange circumstances concerning the multiplicity of charges and specifications against Lee. There are four parallel charges being processed in two separate trial litigation proceedures. Covering all of these at once is too difficult, and I don't think, anyone has mastered the overview of these processes yet, except perhaps Lee himself and his defense attorney. On this particular charge involving the alleged campaign law violations, 4 specs of the same charge the trial involved the following irregularities as I understand it:

1. The Chief Judge in the case where three judges preside, resigned without explanation after presiding for 17 months during the litigation. Yoon was found just before his presidential campaign to have conducted unlawful investigations of sitting judges and was suspended from his duties as Prosecutor General for doing so. It's fairly plain what his motive was. Yoon resigned from that office and began running for president rather than face the suspension. The highest court of appeal to review the findings and ruling of the Disciplinary Committee were found to be justified and legally correct.
2. The Senior prosecutor in the case is assigned from outside the courts jurisdiction in violation of government regulations governing prosecution personnel assignments.
3. Two witnesses to material facts in the case, including the principal, Kim Moon-ki, whom Lee is accused of using for personal gain and lying about, have committed suicide. This development suggests that their statements were being coerced not only against them but by prosecution threats against their loved ones.
4. A picture of Lee in a group of four including Kim Moon-ki, at a golf course, is altered from a group photo including 20 employees who were working on the development project.
5. Testimony from Lee at a legislative audit in the National Assembly was used "to prove his guilt" when such testimony is barred by law from use in prosecutions not brought by the National Assembly itself.
6. A few days earlier, the parallel conviction of Lee's wife in a separate prosecution for hosting a meal with three gubernatorial staff members and three wives of national assembly members and paying for it with a governor's office expense account credit card in the amount of approximately 80 dollars (for six people) was charged as a "campaign law violation." Lee's wife didn't make the payment her staff did without her knowledge. She reimbursed the payment when she was notified it was improper. This is an example of the petty political vindictiveness and motivation behind these accusations against Lee. He has been dogged by this sort of criminal litigation for years and been acquitted in the past.

The judge sentenced Lee to one year in prison suspended for two years of probation. The judge wouldn't dare put him in prison in the current political climate. The popular reaction would rock the Yoon administration. If ultimately found guilty upon review, Lee would be disqualified from holding public office for five years which would eliminate him from campaigning again for the office of president. He is currently South Korea's most popular leader and most likely candidate for presidential office.

Lee has a second trial and a final appeal available to challenge the trial court's ruling which is considered outrageous by the opposition which is a majority party in South Korea. He also faces a separate trial on other charges. Lee gave a rousing speech at a large demonstration today in Gwanghwamun plaza which took place despite pouring rain. The demonstration was in support of a third bill passed by the National Assembly to investigate the "empress" Kim Gon-hee, first lady. The prior two bills were vetoed by Yoon and this bill will face the same outcome. The organizers must have gotten their permit before the right wing opposition demonstrators which took place nearby with the usual quasi military, taegukki, types waving American flags. 1000 police were mobilized to prevent conflicts between the two groups.

This is all just my interpretation of recent South Korean independent media reports and analysis online. I could have misinterpreted something, or made an isolated mistake, conflating one trial procedure with another. I don't think it would change the substance of what's happening. Yoon is clearly running the "dictatorship of prosecutors."

This is another Yoon/Kim Gon-hee brewing scandal.

Central figures in alleged nomination-rigging scandal arrested, investigation likely to snowball

The charges detailed in the arrest warrant are just a fraction of the allegations that have been raised in the press.

For example, Myung is also accused of having run 81 public opinion polls and manipulated the results to benefit Yoon during his presidential campaign. Yoon is accused of having reciprocated by nominating Kim to run in a by-election for a parliamentary seat in the Uichang District of Changwon in 2022 and by meddling in the selection of an industrial district in Changwon for a national development project.

Myung has threatened to implicate Yoon and the First Lady mostly as a bargaining position with the prosecution, but I've heard that threat before from others and not seen meaningful results.

Finally, I would like to say, that Yoon had made enormous concessions to the Biden administration, diplomatically and economically, functioning essentially as a US puppet. His concessions to Japan, acquiescence to US demands not to trade high tech items with China, suffering from the US-China lithium battery battle, making huge capital investments in the US, etc. All this is feared to have been for naught with Trump coming into office, who no doubt, will make further transactional and alliance demands well beyond those concessions already made by Yoon.

Thanks for the O&E Onthecusp. Trying to settle down after a very rough week. Dreamed that I was welcomed by Smokey overjoyed to see me, running back and forth in a new home.

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Well, another week of trying to figure out all these Trump appointees and what they will do that's good or bad. My POV is they will do as they are told to do by Deep State, as always. Still, I have foolishly devoted hours of my waking moments speculating, which is exactly was Deep Stated planned.

I was planning to write a screed called "punditry." Starting with a mea culpa about how my own 24 year message board addiction has been one long adventure in punditry, trying to predict the future. It would have run to maybe a dozen windy paragraphs, but it would not add up to anything more that what OTC put into this passage.

Specifically, I don't believe Cabinet members are any different from the President in terms of actual, personal authority and effective power. As multiple governmental employees at the local, state and Federal levels have said to me in my union lawyer career, "Politicians do not run the government."

I never call the actual leaders of out global empire, "The Deep State." That is a poison pill expression, like "conspiracy theory" pushed hard by the people the term describes to discredit their critics. I call it the Permanent Government.

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I hope he investigates the Jan 6 false flag and the draconian prison policies that deprived people of their due process rights. Many of them have been detained for years without trial and denied access to many things.

Who made the decision to do this and to charge people in excess of what they actually did? Misdemeanor trespassing is what many should have been charged with, but most have been charged with felonies. Even people who didn’t enter the capital have been charged.

And Pelosi’s role in setting the whole thing up needs to be exposed. Was it done so republicans had to certify the election? Some say yes.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

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@on the cusp
Ritter's take. Never a good idea to empower those seeking revenge to clear up a real or perceived problem/issue.

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@Marie1 turn about is fair play. I believe that defending yourself against abuse is what you should do. I believe that putting a wrongdoer in their place is justice.

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@on the cusp
and mostly I do as well -- but that's short of empowering those that are or feel personally aggrieved in the position of exacting revenge. That is contrary to modern justice systems. Victims and those related to victims of whatever are never seated as jurors.

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@Marie1 by what the FBI, CIA, et. al., have done to them. I have the same citizenship, the same rights. I can't imagine how I would react if the FBI came in and raided my and my husbands' underwear drawers.
The smear campaign goes on and on, and must be stopped now for the past and current victims, and prevention of future victims. Lawfare should not be a common way of life.
It is one thing to act upon a feeling of revenge, and another to know first-hand what it is like to be the victim of abusing lawfare.
I will never have any sympathy or respect for the perpetrators. They brought this pay back upon themselves.

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@on the cusp

At around 25 minutes

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if Tulsi Gabbard was actually a Russian asset or taking orders from Putin why she is still a Loot Cornel in the army and she hasn’t had her security clearance taken away?

Do shitlibs even know of her credentials and military background?
Heh…the Bobby Kennedy lawsuit against a Kos member that kos got involved in really hurt his site economically and one of the reasons he had to fire most of his longtime staff. I imagine a lawsuit by Tulsi against the site might put it under ground. The accusations against her are flying right and left…

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@snoopydawg I doubt many people know Tulsi's actual credentials, snoopy. If they are propagandized to begin with, it would not occur to them that her security clearances and position in the military would have been stripped and she would have been prosecuted if her "collusion" rose to the level of a crime.

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consider why folks strive for power, especially governmental power and what it is that the oligarchs are likely to desire. Addressing only the latter question, I suggest

dismantling or further capturing regulatory agencies and revoking regulations
privatizing public services
knee-capping organized labor
reducing residual "welfare" and privatizing the remnant *
reducing and privatizing social security *
corporate welfare via assorted plum contracts and programs

* this is done by providing the benefits via debit card from selected banks

None of this is particularly new, but could very well be more blatant.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris I got busy shopping, then got caught up in a legal matter, receiving hysterical calls from an amicus attorney who couldn't manage an interview with my client, and on and on.
Politicians are people who adore/crave attention and the power of being in the spotlight, and all they actually do is get shitty rich being completely controlled, whereas the rest of us are impoverished and controlled in the dark.
What I have always said is that Republicans never step out of the oligarchical lines and they never surprise me. It is always the goose stepping Democrats that manage to shock me when they fall in line. I just can't seem to get adjusted to that reality.
Hope your chores are not overwhelming, friend.
My chores is to wash some dishes, then turn over the kitchen to the Master Chef, wait for him to tell me dinner is ready. Pretty sweet, eh?
Have a good one!

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While Israeli snipers are targeting children in the head, Israel is being depicted as agreeing to a truce to help save children from polio.

The supposed polio outbreak is a vaccine induced outbreak that came from Egypt before October 7. The kids are getting the nasal vax that is prone to giving vaxxed induced infections. Israeli troops are getting the better vaccine that is given IM and it is more effective. Strange huh?

ETA Giving a live virus vaccine is contraindicated in people who have compromised immune systems. Puts a diabolical spin on this doesn’t it?

Israel is virtually alone among industrialized countries in not signing the Biological Weapons Convention. Professor Francis Boyle drafted the U.S. Domestic Implementing Legislation for the BWC, the Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act of 1989 that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the United States Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush with the approval of the U.S. Department of Justice . He said the emergency authorization provisions “trigger the Nuremberg Code on Medical Experimentation [PDF] requiring that each recipient or their legal guardians be given informed and voluntary consent.. It does not appear that this is being done in Gaza. … They are giving the live polio virus to Gaza kids whose immune systems have been severely compromised already since October 8.” He warns you could have an “entire next generation of Palestinian Children in Gaza wracked and disabled by polio. … This implicitly raises and supports the question whether Israel is engaging in biological warfare against the Palestinians here by means of using the live polio virus.”
As the top of this article indicates, Israel is effectively using biological warfare against the Palestinian people by virtue of knocking out the water facilities. The open question is if the polio rollout is part of that or simply a response by international institutions — perhaps following funding incentives and other pressures — unable or unwilling to do their actual jobs to stop the ongoing genocide.

Just after October 7 Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant declared: “No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.'”

And yet for 13 months Biden has refused to admit that Israel is deliberately restricting aid into Gaza nor is it committing genocide.

Another pipe dream is that I live long enough to see everyone involved in this horrendous genocide being held to account at The Hague…

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For all the people getting their panties in a twist about Kennedy not being qualified to be head of HHS:

“Among its many broad powers, the Prep Act gives the Secretary of Health and Human Services the ability to make medical declarations that become law, which brings us to what appears to be the primary raison d’être for the Prep Act: The Prep Act makes it possible for the pharmaceutical industry to place their agents directly into government positions where they can make law. Who was the Secretary of HHS when the official covid narrative was thrust upon the world? Alex Azar, who was hand picked by Donald Trump.”

“While all of this is morbidly interesting, the most disturbing aspect is that Alex Azar is not a medical doctor. Not even close. He was the chief DC lobbyist for the pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly and then went on to become president of Eli Lilly US. He resigned from Eli Lilly in January of 2017 and in November 2017 Trump tweeted he was going to nominate Alex Azar as Secretary of HHS. The timing certainly makes it seem like the fix was in. Here we have the man who promised to “drain the swamp” hiring one of the slimiest swamp creatures in existence to be secretary of HHS.”.

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