10/21 Open Thread – Trafalgar Day

Image taken from page 182 of 'Sea Pictures, drawn with pen and pencil'

~~ Trafalgar

On October 21, 1805, a British Fleet of 27 ships of the line commanded by Admiral Lord Nelson defeated a combined Spanish and French fleet of 33 ships of the line commanded by Admiral Villeneuve of France at the Battle of Trafalgar. Actually, the Franco-Spanish fleet was annihilated, though a storm played a role in that too. Nelson's victory seemingly fulfilled Lord St. Vincent's Quip to the House of Lords that "I do not say the French cannot come, I only say they cannot come by sea". This particular battle is one of which one writes little, or very great amounts. I'll chose the former course, but will address Hardy's failure to anchor. Hardy was Nelson's Flag Captain and though Nelson had instructed him to anchor while he lay dying, Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood then assumed command of the combined fleet and instructed him not to. It is really that simple, orders is orders and all that. All of the speculation about the impact of that decision is speculative, duh. History has a finality to it, such that we cannot perfectly re-create the exact original conditions and then change a single detail and run the experiment again. There is only one actual test case, and in it, the British did not anchor.

Today is also Babbling Day. This holiday occurs annually on October 21 whether it is an election year or not!

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On this day in history:

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On October 21, 1520, Ferdinand Magellan "discovered" the straits now known as the Straits of Magellan.

On October 21, 1797, the "frigate" USS Constitution was launched.

On October 21, 1805, The Battle of Trafalgar was fought

On October 21, 1824, Portland Cement was patented

On October 21, 1854, Florence Nightingale was sent off to the Crimean war with a staff of 38 nurses.

On October 21, 1867, The Medicine Lodge Treaty was signed. I don't know enough about it to speak on it.

On October 21, 1879, Thomas Edison applied for a patent of his version of an electric light bulb.

On October 21, 1921, – President Harding deliversed the first speech by a sitting U.S. president against lynching in the Deep South.

On October 21, 1940, For Whom the Bell Tolls was published

On October 21, 1945, French women voted for the first time in the legislative election

On October 21, 1967, The National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam organized a march on the Pentagon. %0 thousand or so marched and nobody listened or cared except those who were already commies peaceniks.

On October 21, 1983, The meter was re-defined as the distance light travels in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second. This was part of a growing push to redefine certain basic units in terms of fundamental physical constants culminating in the redefinition of the SI base units in 2019. This (r)evolution in our measurement system also, at long last, resulted in the inclusion of the gopher mole and one of our basic units of measurement.

On October 21, 1994, North Korea and the US sign edan Agreed Framework that required North Korea to stop its nuclear weapons program and agree to inspections in exchange for certain actions by the US. The DPRK foolishly complied with its terms but the US, of course, didn’t uphold it’s part of the deal and then GWB first declared the DPRK to be part of an “axis of evil” and eventually declared war on it as part of his “with us or against us” speech.

On October 21, 2005, pictures of the dwarf planet later named Eris were taken and later used to document its discovery. Eris was not amused, I mean, even the ancient Greeks knew she could be touchy if disrespected. Damn. GWB's re-election soon followed, and everything since.

On Octobere 21, 2011, President Barack Obama announced that the withdrawal of United States troops from Iraq would be complete by the end of the year. Many believed him. Heh.

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Some people who were born on this day:

“The last level of metaphor in the Alice books is this: that life, viewed rationally and without illusion, appears to be a nonsense tale told by an idiot mathematician.”

~~ Martin Gardner

1687 – Nicolaus I Bernoulli, athematician and theorist
1772 – Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet, philosopher, and critic
1833 – Alfred Nobel, chemist and engineer, invented dynamite
1877 – Oswald Avery, physician and microbiologist
1886 - Eugene Burton Ely, soldier and pilot, first shipboard aircraft take off and landing
1912 – Don Byas, saxophonist and educator
1914 – Martin Gardner, mathematician, logician, and author
1917 – Dizzy Gillespie, trumpet player, composer, and bandleader
1921 – Jim Shumate, fiddler and composer
1925 – Celia Cruz, singer
1929 – Ursula K. Le Guin, author and critic
1940 – Manfred Mann, keyboardist and producer
1941 – Steve Cropper, guitarist, songwriter, producer, and actor
1942 – Elvin Bishop, Pigboy Crabshaw, guitarist, singer and songwriter
1943 – Ron Elliott, singer, songwriter, guitarist, and composer
1946 – Lux Interior, singer and songwriter
1946 – Lee Loughnane, singer, songwriter, and trumpet player
1950 – Leela Vernon, musician, "Queen of Brukdown", and cultural conservationist
1952 – Brent Mydland, keyboard player
1953 – Marc Johnson, bassist, composer, and bandleader
1955 – Fred Hersch, pianist and composer
1957 – Steve Lukather, singer, songwriter, guitarist, and producer

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Some people who died on this day:

“Athens showed and the United States of the twenty-first century confirmed, imperialism undercuts democracy by furthering inequalities among its citizens.”

~~ Sheldon S. Wolin

1805 – Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, awesome British Admiral
1965 – Bill Black, bass player and bandleader
1969 – Jack Kerouac, novelist and poet
1980 – Hans Asperger, physician and psychologist
1984 – François Truffaut, actor, producer, director and screenwriter
2006 – Sandy West, singer,songwriter, drummer, and runaway
2015 – Sheldon Wolin, philosopher, theorist, academic and fabulous instructor. Once held class on a picket line.

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Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:

Apple Day (UK)
Trafalgar Day (UK)
Babbling Day

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Today's Tunes

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Babble Day

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Samuel Taylor Coleridge

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Don Byas

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Dizzy Gillespie

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Jim Shumate

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Celia Cruz

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Manfred Mann

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Steve Cropper

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Babble Day

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Elvin Bishop

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Ron Elliott

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Lux Interior

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Lee Loughnane

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Leela Vernon

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Brent Mydland

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Marc Johnson

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Babble Day

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Fred Hersch

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Steve Lukather

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Bill Black

Jack Keroac

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Sandy West

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BONUS Elvin Bishop(et al)

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Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. So what's on your mind?

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Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com

Open Thread, Trafalgar, Babble Day, Eris, Coleridge, Martin Gardner, Dizzy Gillespie, Ursula K. Le Guin, Elvin Bishop, Jack Keoac, François Truffaut, Steve Cropper, Martin Mann, Bill Black, Sandy West

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mimi's picture

because you do not seem to understand my babbling.

I am looking for the original song in the West Side Story. Some female was singing / I want to be in America ...

So do I.

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@mimi

Rita Moreno, but maybe hold that thought for a few months.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris
I wished I had your skills to handle this damn computer and mobile phones and its potential.

I grew up , in the 1967 I think it was, and just loved the West Side Story and its songs and dance.

So. I like to be in America, was in my ears all the time.

Thank you so much.

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a vid of an interview circa 2015
about 10 minutes

In this wide-ranging conversation from 2015, Ursula K. Le Guin talks to Zoë Carpenter about climate change, the definition of progress, and how "the future in science fiction is just a metaphor for now."

cheers

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question everything

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@QMS

Thanks also for that video.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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The Strangely Empty Politics of Kamala Harris

To which I commented:

Well, this is fun. "For example, Harris could pledge to end the flow of US arms going to Benjamin Netanyahu’s genocidal war in Gaza." Do you think it's possible that Israel could just wipe out all of Gaza before the next President attains office?

"To be even more persuasive, she could fold this into a broader agenda for domestic reform." Nothing is of course going to happen, because all of the money will go to propping up the failed venture in Ukraine. Or maybe it will go to Taiwan or to aiding Israel in its current attempt at seppuku. Lots of money will be encoded, someone will notice that the requisite weapons are not really being manufactured, and it will become more insane from there.

The problem with election run-up analysis is that none of the campaign rhetoric is relevant. What will become plainly apparent when Biden's successor attains office in January is that there will have to be a vast re-militarization of America, trillions of dollars, a military draft, and an enormous re-appropriation of resources, if the neocon wish lists are to be met. And neither Trump nor Harris will be in a position to challenge the neocons. But none of that can be discussed right now, nor for the next three weeks.

This, then, is the problem. The Biden administration, which uses the White House as its Dark Tower of neoconservatism, and aided by an army of CIA orcs, has really pooped in the punchbowl, in a way that recalls the administration of James Buchanan. In short, really bad news. The question before any successor administration, from here to eternity, will be: what to do about it? My prediction is that they will re-militarize. There are neoconservatives in power, they have a wish-list, and it's only been limited to PR initiatives and weapons shipments so far for some reason related to the President's senility. But at some point after Biden is gone, I think, they will feel obliged to double down on the attempt to re-establish full spectrum dominance. That's my prediction at any rate.

Now, I suppose they would try to do something different, and indeed from time to time Donald Trump has threatened to do something different. Make peace with Putin, Trump says. The problem, of course, is that Putin does not want peace, not on any terms Trump would dare to advocate. Putin would prefer to humiliate the West, for reasons of the aforementioned pooping in the punchbowl.

I would like to conclude this mini-lecture with an illustration of how incredibly wrong one of the Harris campaign's slogans is.

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The next Administration will be one of the most "burdened by what has been" in history.

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The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.

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@Cassiodorus

Maybe "unburdened" because learned nothing from history and have no moral compass. None of the brigands are "burdened" by the pillaging that has transpired, for example.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris But, yeah, something's going down because of something which went down.

Have you found any coverage of the BRICS summit yet?

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The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.

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...everyday is babbling day.

Now skating dogs are less common... (1 min)

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

unless it already has one. Babbling does seem to be a bit more prevalent today than in some past eras, not so much because there is more babbling, but because there is so much less rational discourse.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

I am going to vote today. Local races for sheriff, my precinct commissioner, and my precinct constable, really matter. There is only 1 candidate on the ballot, but an under vote count is not a good look. The former sheriff is contesting the election. All case precedents call for the lawsuit to be dismissed, as final hearing is set Nov. 18th, after the election has been certified. It is a moot case. The appointed visiting judge seems to be afraid to dismiss the case, as well as his own shadow.
I was visited by a client minutes ago. He was in the voting line almost 3 hours. He said half of the machines were not in use.
I will vote another day.
Thanks for the OT, friend.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp
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except will occasionally vote against the obvious idjits
wonder if the machines are down cause they don't like
the results coming in?
good luck

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@on the cusp

CA always has a ton of propositions, as does my county, so I guess I'll have to check it out pretty soon.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/india-china-arrived-border-patrolling-09313604...

NEW DELHI (Reuters) -India and China have reached a deal on patrolling their disputed frontier to end a four-year military stand-off, the Indian foreign minister said on Monday, paving the way for improved political and business ties between the Asian giants.

The news came on the eve of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Russia for an Oct. 22-24 summit of the BRICS regional grouping, during which he could hold talks with Chinese President Xi Jinping, Indian officials said.

Relations between the world's two most populous nations - both nuclear powers - have been strained since clashes between their troops on the largely undemarcated frontier in the western Himalayas left 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers dead in 2020.

The two sides had since stopped patrolling several points along the border in the Ladakh region to avoid new confrontations, while moving tens of thousands of new troops and military equipment closer to the freezing highlands.

"We reached an agreement on patrolling, and with that we have gone back to where the situation was in 2020 and we can say ... the disengagement process with China has been completed," Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said at a NDTV media conclave.

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@humphrey

nobody gets trigger happy. I really want to see a BRICS economic powerhouse arise tres soon so as to cripple the US' sanctions machine and thereby return some semblance of international law to the world.

be well and have a good one.

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Hi all, Hey EL,

\How were the eastern Sierras? What part did ya see?

I love a babbling brook, people not so much. Unless done with skill such as Rubber Biscuit.

Wasn't Magellan the dude the was first to articulate the need for a date line?

Both of those Steves, Lukather and Cropper are awesome guitarists...

In the departments of 'never would have thought to look for those there, or, gee that wasn't on my bingo card, is the fish that lives in the soil. Can't imagine the reseearchers when they realized their animal was a FISH!
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article293666159.html

Thanks for the OT, history, and sounds EL!

happy trails all!

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@dystopian

Eastern Sierras as soon as I get pics off of camera, phone, wife's camera and wife's phone. Trip went from Carson Pass to Topaz Lake, AZ, down 395 (with a few side trips out of Bishop) to HWY 14, thru Redrock Canyon and over Tehachipis at HWY 58, then Hwy 233 + local roads to Hwy 166 to 101 and North along the coast from there. Not too much snow or glaciers along route + lots of rabbit Bush in high desert; some color up side canyons like Rock Creek, Bishop Creek, etc.

Thanks for the article on Ophisternon berlini, pretty cool critter.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris Hi EL!

Sounds a GREAT loop! I'm pretty fond of the eastern Sierra. Redrock Canyon is gorgeious too!

Can't wait for the report!

Gotta 50 mile each one-way drive, gotta fly...

happy trails!

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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