Which I think might turn out to be far more consequential than the earlier one between Harris and Trump.

Senator Vance. Folks, this is what a sociopath looks like and sounds like. The sexual charisma, the impeccable turn out, the pretense of just a nice guy, speaking pleasantly to his opponent. Naturally, he wasn't going to be seen and heard being mean to a grandpa. Enough to make you think he couldn't possibly have said those awful things the media, and we know how they lie, says he did. Folks, he said them and he meant them. Notice the sweeping statements, the blaming of any convenient target, the utter lack of specifics. Right now he is blaming "immigrants", next year it will be you and me, for not falling in line with whatever insane policy the Rs have in store for us.

Moderators: Where to begin? Not with foreign policy, over which the VP has no jurisdiction and little influence. I doubt the next president is going to be asking either of these two if he or she should bomb Iran right after getting off the phone with Netanyahoo demanding just that. The only scandal they could find against Walsh was he can't remember precise dates from 1989??? Do you remember precise dates from 30 years ago? I don't. How do you conduct a debate between two men from the Midwest and not ask about farm policy? Hows about a mention of the Monsanto trials and Americans' increasing demands for clean air, water and food?

Gov. Walsh: not good at debating but not a liar. Mark Kelly would have wiped the floor with pretty boy Vance, but a. Kelly is needed in the Senate, and b. there are more voters in the Midwest than in the Intermountain West. I loved the way Walsh was able to point to specifics about Minnesota, best state in which to raise a family and much more. If Harris wins, I hope she gives him a domestic brief. I was disappointed that he failed to point out that the offshoring of industry began in a major way under the administration of none other than Saint Ronnie of Sacramento.

Former President Trump is non compos mentis, there are rumors of incontinence, not surprising in an old man, and it is entirely possible he might not survive four years of one of the most stressful jobs on the planet. There is only so much infirmity which even the best of tailors can conceal. Senator Vance is not morally fit to be president. This is the worst VP pick since Spiro Agnew. Nor am I willing to vote for Jill Stein. If the Kennedy campaign did nothing else, it showed there is a statistically significant number of American voters who do care about the environment, clean air, food, soil, and water, the shocking decline in the health of most of us. I have not seen Stein or those around her do much to appeal to the voters who have those concerns but don't happen to be urban liberals. Add those issues to a robust peace policy, and I think you have a coalition which could win elections. The Green Party needs to do that work, or get out of way of those who will.

That leaves Harris. I am not a fan, but neither do I see any compelling case against her. We have had mediocre presidents before, and the republic survived. I doubt we could survive Trump/Vance. Harris has actually won elections and has held down demanding jobs. DA and state Atty Gen are not jobs where you can spend afternoons golfing. Am I much impressed with her? No. I wish she had prosecuted PG&E for the California fires and forced that company to lose its' charter. I do note that her major foreign policy advisor, probably her Secretary of State if she is elected, forgot the name, is NOT a Zionist ideologue. What I like best about her is that she knows how to behave in public, that it is not all about her, unlike Killary, and that she doesn't seem to be carrying Cold War baggage. Her good looks help, but, unlike the likes of Shillary and others, she knows how to present herself in a professional but not gaudy manner.

A You tuber at Occupy Democrats is floating the truly frightening notion that the Rs. intend to use the 25th Amendment against Trump and put in Vance to enact their Project 2025 agenda. Yikes! That sounds to me like head for the hills time.

The best line from the convention came from the not known for charisma Hakim Jeffries: "Bro, we broke up wit you for a reason."