Saturday Open Thread - 8/10/24: Odds and Ends
Submitted by on the cusp on Sat, 08/10/2024 - 7:00am
Good morning, good people!
It has been a week of waiting for war to break out. News is rarely ever good anymore.
I have gone hiking, visited a historic site, and will have to wait until next week to post photos.
Meanwhile, I will be in transit until 6 or 7 tonight, and will check in on you then.
Feel free to post whatever came across your radar. The video I saw that I want to recommend is Neil Oliver interviewing Whitney Webb. 1hr.22 minutes. Many topics were covered, all of interest.
This is an open thread, go where ya wanna go with your comments, friends!
Comments
Well, what's up in your neck of the woods?
I hope all is well, and I so look forward to hearing from everyone!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Safe travels...
Been a busy week here in the holler at the height of summer. Tables stay full of tomatoes to process and give away. Lots of okra too. We grew an froze so many peppers last year we only planted one plant. Sweet potatoes are finally going strong after a slow start. Muscadine picking starts next week and we've got quite the crop this year. Last years wine came out pretty good, and I hope this years will be even better as I learn the tricks.
Last week my 60 tractor wouldn't crank....needed a new coil. Well now it cranks in a second and I realize that the coil probably needed replacing long ago. So it's been a week of mowing too.
Always something. Be careful on the road, and thanks for the OT!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
It was a pretty easy 8 hr drive.
One patch of road construction/one lane.
We just finished a pizza we had delivered, thinking about tomorrow's 7 hr drive. May not last long tonight.
At any rate, great on the tomato harvest, and that tractor you have is better than anything we could buy now.
Always great to get an update from the holler, dear friend.
Thanks for stopping by!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
This is where we hiked.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/3-illinois-state-parks-make-list-o...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Howdy all,
Hi OtC,
Wow, that place looks awesome OtC! Beautiful! Bet there are birds there!
Looks cooler than here.
Warning: the heat is ON!
drive safe, and have fun!
happy trails!
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
Hey, dysto!
The actual hike was on trails that were covered overhead with trees, providing shade. Like a jungle!
The seasons for birds are spring and fall, but the river was covered up with pelicans!
I gotta say, lots of my general impressions about Illinois' flora and fauna, and geology, has changed. It is way more that the land of corn and bean fields.
Take care, friend! Stay cool!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
People gotta move
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happy snails
Man! Hadn't heard that tune
in forever! Very cool!
We are on the final leg of the trip, staying in a motel that is adequate to the task, but not much better. At least we discovered a nicer, newer one right next door we will try next time.
But for the night, it is ok, no complaints.
Glad you popped in, dear friend!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Good morning otc et. al. Wonderful looking waterfall.
For some reason, that picture reminds me of Darwin Falls, once one gets to it and gets up close. This is bizarre, since Darwin Falls is in the high desert way up a box canyon off of the road to Death Valley..
Cool mornings with 80s to 90s later out here, so not too bad. Pear crop was very light this year, making up for extra heavy apricot crop. I think the weather is a big part of both. Still a lot to do around here and still thinking of yet more, so not much else on the mind except actual and incipient/threatened wars. Association = "Ancestral voices prophesying war" (Coleridge) and, ergo, Rush.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Great song!
Glad you have edible, non-poisonous apples and apricots. Such foods are unavailable to me.
Well, not many non-poisonous foods are, and we ain't alone.
Stay busy, keep working and planning, and ya know, keep trying to overcome the obstacles life is presenting. Might be health, lack of wealth, but it is always a government that takes from we 99% and hands it too the 1%.
Take good care, good friend!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
About those Olympic boxers and chromosomes
As I was just one class short of getting a degree in biology, so the gender/sex thing at the Olympics interested me.
Interview with a development biologist who focuses on sex and sports.
She explains the condition Khelif has which was the lack of an enzyme to develop the penis while in the womb.
Interesting point she brings up is how different sexes are. Said at the cellular level there are differences between sexes at the angle on how neurons attach to cells.
In the previous interview, the guy did a poor job, but found two posts which summarize the issue from the point of view that Khief went through male puberty and the effects.
Somewhere in a tweet I vaguely remember a claim that when men are dosed with hormones and chemicals to be equivalent to females for the purpose of completion that the so called male advantages still exist as those are permanently set at puberty.
I didn't watch all the way through, so I wonder if she,
at any point, dealt with the issue of XXY humans, which do exist, with 2 different totals of chromosomes. As I understand it, xxy humans come as both males and females as to their external hardware and all that, so what, if anything, is determinative there. I mean, clearly all of them are "xy", but all of them are also "xx". Also, what of true hermaphrodites, which history assures us have existed, is there any explanation for them at all?
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Interesting stuff.
In my college social history courses, I ran across info about babies being born with both vaginas and penises. This was turn of the 20th century thinking, up through the 1960s, and before genetic testing. The drs. would inform parents of the situation, tell them if they didn't consent to remove the vagina, the son would die of cancer.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@enhydra lutris I have not had a
I have not had a chance to read how the biologist thinks of XXY individuals. I do remember for awhile there was a lot of discussion about men with XYY, with the belief for short period of time that the most violent male criminals possessed the additional Y chromosome. Never proven in prison populations. Also men in all walks were found to be XYY and not restricted to criminals (except those on Wall Street).
As for XXY just my initial research is that this condition known as Klinefelter syndrome is considered first and foremost a condition affecting males. Condition is caused by random error in cell division. The research literature considers this a male condition, and any therapies involves treating it as a male problem.
As for the 47,XXY who display as the literature calls it, a female phenotype would have research look up what experts say. But it may be so rare as not merit much discussion in deciding gender categories for sports.
One thing to remember is we are dealing with genetic problems when chromosomes are beyond the normal XX or XY pairings. These men (almost all) suffer various medical problems as a result.
Chromosomal variants in klinefelter syndrome
These are not men who are going to easily if at all achieve success in the upper strata of sports.
@MrWebster
I think that it should be considered first and foremost to be a condition affecting humans, and a determination made on a case by case basis on which stereotypic strictly binary gender type should be assigned to them. There are xxy biological females, regardless of the presence of the y chromosome.
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11173857/#:~:text=The%20fertility%20of%2....)
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Oh FFS!!!!!
Your "developmental biologist" is jumping to conclusions based on nothing more than the say-so of a corrupt head of a corrupt and *disbarred* athletic federation which corruptly and unjustly "disqualified" these two athletes because they beat preferred competitors (a previously unbeaten Russian in one case, a Bulgarian in the other), without warning, without due process, in the middle of the competition, and, most significantly, without there being a rule in place to justify the "disqualification".
The IBA had to MAKE UP a rule after the fact to explain their misbehavior.
They were already on suspension from the Olympics since 2019, based on highly credible allegations of match-fixing, mismanagement, and overall corruption. About three months after this "disqualification", the IOC revoked their Olympic authority - permanently. (The IBA appealed - and lost.)
At this point, anyone who believes anything the IBA says, is either very gullible or has some serious axe(s) to grind (like maybe not wanting women to participate in boxing at all because it's "too unfeminine" and/or "too dangerous").
I should also add that based on her own words she's a blatant gender essentialist - men are XY, women are XX, no exceptions, no in-betweens, no dubious cases, not even the possibility of transphobes and TERFS running around barking mad screaming "MAN! MAN!" because what they see isn't a Miss American Beauty.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Good evening TOM!
I will not enter into scientific discussions since my knowledge is very basic courses back in the day.
It clearly matters a great deal to you, so always feel free to give us some science that you find, like Mr. Webster did.
Thanks for popping in!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I'm disgusted to note that 6 people upvoted that bilge
I hope they are especially fond of crow - they may have to eat it.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Maybe they are not
on your level of the biology of gender. I freely admit I am not.
I know some history of pre-DNA, but in truth, I saw a powerful person that for all the world appears to be a man, have the capability in a sporting event to kill a person who was a woman.
Past the argument of gender assignment by a doctor, my stance is that I do not want anyone to die in some contact sporting event.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
It is EXTREMELY unfortunate that Khelif's first real bout
was against a woman who went into the fight with a recently-injured nose, got hit in the nose again, and couldn't stand the pain - so she quit.
It was bad optics, at least to the casual observer (a couple of boxing aficionadoes have said the real reason it was no contest was that Carini just was not as skilled), and it appeared to "confirm" all the nasty malicious rumors that the IBA had been spreading.
Confirmation bias is a real, and really serious, problem.
At this time it looks as though there will be NO boxing at the 2028 Olympics - the IOC is through with the IBA, the IOC is NOT going to take the responsibility for running boxing again, and unless some suitable organization is ready and willing by then - th-th-that's all, folks.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I actually did a search to find
a hotty upcoming Hispanic back in the 60s who was so interesting, even my parents turned on the tv to watch him fight. He got knocked out. Taken out of the ring. I watched this. I am particularly sensitive about this sport.
I was a teen, saw a person get killed. And those were even Steven, men on men boxing.
Everything I view on this sporting event stems from me viewing a death in the boxing ring.
No more.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Disgusting sport
I also watched a male boxer kill another male boxer in a televised fight when I was a teenager and was so repulsed have hated this “sport” ever since.
Anya
Benny “Kid” Paret vs. Emile Griffith, 1962?
I watched that one live on TV. Paret was a ‘champ’ at the time, “defending his title”. He got hung up on the ropes in the corner and Griffith kept punching. The ref was slow to stop the fight. Paret died of his injuries.
I’ll never forget it either. Brutal.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
Yes
Yes, that is the one and exactly how I remember it.
Anya
That's him.
We who watched that fight watched a man get beaten to death.
A guy who wound up in my little tiny hometown was the town "retard". Well, he won State Champion Golden Gloves in his weight class, the lightest of them all. He then went pro. He boxed at Madison Square Garden, boxed in Las Vegas. He was successful until his head injuries wiped out his ability to think.
By the time he was in his late 40s, he was hooked on pain pills. In his mid-50s, his family took them away, refused to take him to a doctor, would not pay for the prescriptions to be filled.
He got his Dad's gun and blew his brains out.
Boxing sucks.
At the rate it is going, all women sports suck.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Bilge? Make that
seven. I’m not a fan of men beating up women, you see. I wouldn’t have thought that that would be what would make me a troglodyte, but it is what it is. Times change.
Meanwhile: might I make the entirely inappropriate suggestion that any XYZXQLY or whatever people seek their fortunes somewhere other than the Olympics. XX and XY mean something to a great many of us- and there are many, many genetically normal athletes worthy of our support.
But your mileage may vary. Feel free to slag me off to your heart’s content. As a troglodytic man, which probably makes me a YY or something similarly undesirable, I tire of trying to defend any damned thing like basic developmental biology any more.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
I'm not a fan of anybody beating up anybody
so no, I'm not really into boxing.
I'm also not into bigots, homophobes, transphobes and TERFs dogpiling somebody who is certainly not trans, was certainly not born male, and at most may possibly have any one of a whole slew of "differences of sexual development" - some of which matter, and some of which don't.
Interestingly, one of the better-known cases, Poland's Ewa Klobukowska, had a highly surprising epilogue. Klobukowska had her records wiped after a chromosome test in 1967 tagged her as "not female", and allegedly as having "one chromosome too many" (a comment which has never been clarified).
She quit sports, got a job as an accountant, and about a year after her disqualification, she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. "Not female"? You don't get much more female than having a child!
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Onc chromosome too many would most likely mean she
was xxy, classified as not female because "y" of "XY", but still "female" because XX(Y). My very limited understanding is that XXY people are generally 47,xxy, meaning 47 total chromsomes, though there are also some 46,xxy out there. There is allegedly one 47,XXY female who has a son and two daughters AND one of the daughters is also 47,xxy.
(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11173857/#:~:text=The%20fertility%20of%2....)
be well and have a good one
edit; corrected "not male" to "Not female"
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Yeah, human biology is *very* complicated
and not nearly as cut-and-dried as the reductionists are trying to make it.
Lin Yu-ting is taking the high road, not commenting any more than she can possibly help, and plans to go back to her academic studies (she's reportedly going for a PhD in Business Administration). And she isn't suing anybody.
Imane Khelif, on the other hand, is pursuing legal action for the cyberbullying she experienced - which IMHO will result in keeping the whole mess in the public eye. She has indicated that she plans to become a professional boxer (which is also not going to help her live this mess down).
Are either or both of them intersex? The IBA claims so, supported by an "independent" journalist whom the IBA "allowed" to see the "actual test reports" from New Delhi. The IOC claims that the tests were "impossibly flawed" and "not legitimate". It has been pointed out (and I can confirm) that the specific test kits reported by the "independent" journalist as having been employed were intended for use on amniocytes, that is, for amniocentesis on pregnant women. Could off-label use cause wonky test results? (The IOC seems to think so, and their position is supported by reports that Lin Yu-ting was later retested by other agencies and nothing out of the ordinary was found.)
Maybe it will be for the best if Olympic boxing is forced into a hiatus until a new and hopefully less corrupt organization can take it over and institute clear rules and guidelines. Some people here, including me, would not miss it.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
About those IBA Russian dudes
The IBA published a rebuttal to various issues which you raise at:
https://www.iba.sport/news/iba-clarifies-the-facts-the-letter-to-the-ioc...
Of note the organization lists the labs they used to conduct the tests. Believe them not, up to you. (I saw a clip of a Piers Morgan panel where Cenk Uygur claimed the Russian/Putin organization fabricated the tests and results.)
As per the claim: "I should also add that based on her own words she's a blatant gender essentialist - men are XY, women are XX,". Yup, but your argument is with Mother Nature, not a female accredited biologist. Life on earth has the characteristic of having two distinct genders literally across all species of multi-cell life forms. If I may, there seems to be intellectual movement in the West which could be called "gender denialists" who seem to believe there is no such thing sex differences. In fact somewhat of a mystical thing to behold that life on earth have such a trait.
Your rejection of the IBA based on its rejection by the IOC is rather ironic as the history of the IOC is one of massive corruption. One corrupt organization accusing another organization of corruption is good one for the hall of fame for irony.
I notice you ignored the rest of what I said
"no exceptions, no in-betweens, no dubious cases, not even the possibility of transphobes and TERFS running around barking mad screaming "MAN! MAN!" because what they see isn't a Miss American Beauty."
But there are exceptions, in-betweens, and dubious cases, or we wouldn't have 1001 (possibly an exaggeration, but there sure are a lot) types of intersex.
Is Imane Khelif intersex? Maybe. Does that mean she's not a woman? No.
Same thing goes for Lin Yu-ting (who hasn't been drawing anywhere near as much flak, but who hasn't been getting as much support, outside of Taiwan, either.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Didn't watch the interview,
as the tv is blaring.
I only read that this kid didn't have a developed penis, thus, goes thru life as a female in that society.
I joke, but Big Penises Matter in some societies more than others!
Thanks for stopping by, pal!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Assigned Female At Birth (AFAB)
has more meaning in some societies than in others. Algeria is one of them. They don't have much nuance, and they have zero tolerance for homosexuality or transgenderism. If there were any doubt that an infant was anything but female - they wouldn't be identified and raised as female. Especially in a dirt-poor community like the one Imane Khelif comes from. (Boys are at a premium in situations like that.)
So since Khelif was identified as female at birth, raised as female, is identified on all her papers as female, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera - the likelihood is that she is indeed for all intents and purposes female, and the whole thing has been blown up to grotesque and insane proportions because transphobes and TERFS can't accept that a woman can be plain and strong and still be a woman. (Heck, she's not even that plain, she's just got rather bold features, which is far from unknown all around the Mediterranean.)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I understand that culture
insofar as gender assignment at birth, because I read one of your comments on it some days ago.
Just tossing this in, since is has nothing to do with science, am perhaps unimpressed with the Algerian cultures stance on once decided, always, or be punished.
I am not Algerian. Nor is anyone not born there.
Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster for that.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Not impressd with Algerian society either, but
it is necessary to understand their positions in order to know why all the bushwah about Imane Khelif being "male" or "trans" is just that - bushwah.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Hi TheOtherMaven
I haven't watched any of the olympics or read any arguments about the subject you are addressing, so I have no informed knowledge. I did have a response to your comment … "AFAB has more meaning in some societies than in others.” I think that is true.
For instance, I learned while living on Kauai that the Hawaiian culture revered those who possessed qualities/natures of both sexes, as being more complete in nature. I was reminded of that by your comment.
The US continues to stir up unrest in Venezuela.
However Maduro is having none of it!
After what we have done to Panama,
why they go along to get along with the US is beyond me.
Has Panama forgotten Noriega? He is still in prison, attended the spy school in the US, and we turned on him.
Humphrey, your Xes are always interesting, and I am glad you share them with us.
Now, Bangladesh...Naw, we aren't backing another Color Revolution...we are better than that. Lol!
Appreciate you, pal!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Don't mess with the Russians.
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Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
Brilliant!
I enjoyed that truth telling kid so much!
Thanks so much for bringing it to us!
Have a great evening, chica!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
What surprise (not) The US is involved in another revolution.
This is good
Talks about Ritter, Tulsi and the judge is still raving at congress applauding Bibi slamming the protesters.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
how long will it take to condemn
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the judge as an information terrorist?
He is a pal of Ritter,
so, I guess in short order.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Heh…
Probably not long. I watched another video and he seemed even more angry about congress cheering Netanyahu's attack on the orotestes. I wonder if he is giving Scott some advice?
O pity the fools if they come after him.
But why is anyone surprised at what this administration is doing after what they did during Covid when prominent doctors were censured if they went against government talking points?
Hell even the president of the United States got censored and kicked off social media. And half the country fcking cheered!
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Hey, chica!
I will attempt to put that on silent, closed caption, and read it. The tv is blaring.
About reading...wtf is going on with your eyes?
Well, Russia is BAD because they have killed civilians, IDF is supported with all we have, although they have murdered kids, women, old men, and on and on.
Our foreign policy is bought and paid for my AIPAC and BIG OIL, with secondary support of the MIC.
Not the New Normal, but The Normal, just that the genocides of yore were not caught on video for the world to see.
Please tell my client I love her, ok?
Thanks for stopping by, chica!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Cataracts
The one in my R took off and I’m down to hand motion only. The L is going fast. Sam is a big help helping me find things. Especially my socks. She is so smart and if I don’t tell her that enough she reminds me.
I can read large print unless it’s too faint. It’s gonna be an interesting month, but I’m pissed that my camping season is passing me by.
Sam is still waiting on her care package….
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Both mine and Dear One's
cataract surgeries went extremely well. He gained sight in his damaged at birth eye, and 5 or 6 or 7 years later, I am 20/20.
Beat of luck, get it done, girlie!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Don’t wait too long!
When I developed cataracts, was told if you wait too long it is difficult (impossible?) to perform a successful surgery. I waited several years and was getting to that point before getting it done. As I recall you worked in the ophthalmology field so you probably know this.
Anya
Posting in the right spot…I hope
As is this article on what the Ukraine vazis are doing in Kursk. Basically terrorism.
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/08/09/kiev-regime-terrorism-shows...
They drones apartment buildings, targeted and destroyed ambulances.
A few weeks ago Belousov called Austin and told him to get his Nazi dawgs leashed because he found out that the UK and Ukraine were going to try to assassinate Putin.
https://news.mail.ru/politics/62240282/?frommail=1
I can’t read this, but it comes from Paul craig roberts
Yesterday Israel bombed a school where refugees were sheltering murdering over 100 Palestinians. Apparently the WH slammed Israel for it, but then sent them almost $4 billion so they can buy more weapons. Nothing to see here…just more money laundering for defense contractors.
Smoltrich (sp) is sad that the world won’t let Israel starve 2 million Palestinians. Dunno what he’s smoking because the fcking world is letting them just do that. Along with murdering those same people.
MacGregor discussed what Smoltrich said in this video.
Other than that crappy news how’s your weekend going?
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
But his emails
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Sigh…here we go again. Politico says that they have Trump's emails and thTrump campaign is saying that Iran released them. Ken still thinks that Russia hacked the DNC computers and posted them so I’m not sure how valid his views are. The crowd strike admitted that no information was ever hacked. How can he not know that?
But why the quick move to blame Iran? Guess we will have to see what was released, but maybe it’s just a ploy for Trump to attack Iran if he wins? Netanyahu wants his war and if Biden won’t let him start it is he leaning on Trump? That’s my guess.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Your guess is as good
as anybody's, so Drain the Swamp Trump wants WWIII?
Geesh...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
After Kamala's comments in Michigan went over like a lead
balloon she came up with a new response in Arizona.
In reality nothing has changed.
She thinks that she’s hearing?
Doesn’t she know for certain what’s she’s hearing?
But in other words "I heard you, but this isn’t the time to talk about it. In other other words, STFU! I’m still speaking!"
And the seals clap their fins and bark like the trained animals they are.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Why did FDR drop Henry Wallace ?
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Link
It’s very obvious why he was replaced. This country would be more likely we want it to be if he had. But the oligarchs including FDR didn’t want what he was offering so he got Bernie'd before Bernie did. Voters don’t choose the candidates and maybe they never did. Caitlin’s newest essay is about why anyone takes part in the election farce or thinking that the person you support will do anything to make our lives better. For 50 years the same people have been dismantled the new deal and the constitution and yet we kept returning them to office so they could keep doing it.
We have the government we deserve. Will people ever wake up and stop taking part in the farce?
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
We old time Democrats
thought of FDR as a leftie. However, he had limits. He was still a capitalist, corporatist, and above all, a Roosevelt, he had to select what at the time was thought to be sort of a hillbilly goober.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
People who have done something when
Wallace was replaced like that just like we should have done something when the Hellabitch stole the primary. More of Bernie’s supporters rewarded her by voting for her just like they voted for Biden after Obama got everyone to drop out. Elections stolen Iin from of their eyes and not a protest to be seen.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
I don't think it was as obvious then
since we have the internet.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
OTOH, internet is showing the world Israel’s anti-Gaza holocaust
almost in real time, and so far what public revulsion there has been isn’t stopping our Congress, our two duopoly parties, our armed forces, and the elites here & elsewhere in the West from backing it to the hilt.
The internet has made a difference, but as far as actual results — distribution and exercise of life-and-death power — go, that difference doesn’t seem to make any difference.
Offered a choice by Heaven between Aaron Bushnell and Bezalel Smotrich, de facto our earthly Western leadership caste has already decided it’s going with Smotrich.
Well there's that, friend
We see the genocide on the net. We see politicians funded by AIPAC. And we also see arrests for protests, fines, prison sentences, and cops killing and beating dissenters. We see the Ritters and even Tucker Carlsons of the world defunded and fired. Example: Chris Hedges.
Without the net, we would not know our enemies.
Now, we do.
Hope you are ok in your part of the world, friend.
Be careful, stay safe, and know we all appreciate your viewpoints so much. Always.
Thanks for stopping by!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
This sums up US actions with regards to Gaza quite well.
Perfect!
You did it again,friend!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Leave it to Boeing!
The rest of the tweet:
Well….?
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
The fighter I remember being killed
Was Benny Kid Parret (sp?) I was a little kid sitting with my dad on the West coast listening to the Friday night fights from Madison Square Garden. My little Italian grandma would sometimes go, so it was a family tradition.
That did it for me. The sound of boxing gloves squeaking is too much. Interesting how many had that experience.
Thank you so much.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.
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APROPOS the boxing stuff
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Yes I remember that fight
Mancini killed Kim Duk-koo. He died later in the hospital from a subdural hematoma. I knew some professional fighters. One died as a result of a street fight while still in the golden gloves phase of his career. The second, suffered a detached retina from a blow in the ring, and stopped fighting. The third had a fairly lengthy pro run.
After Kim was killed from the boxing injury, I remember being quite upset. I watched some Olympic bouts in 88 in Seoul, because they were the only tickets i could get more for the Olympic spectacle than anything else, I saw Mayweather there. These were preliminary bouts. I recall they wore headgear. I didn't stay long. I did see some track and field events but really couldn't tell what was going on. I lost interest after that. I think it was the Mancini fight that did it for me. I don't know how a family could let their loved one into the ring for full contact fighting. I know one jiujitsu fighter quite well, still in the prime of life, who lives with chronic pain, from fighting injuries.
Oh well.
語必忠信 行必正直