Rebutting Thom Hartmann with style and grace

Thom Hartmann has this opinion piece out on Raw Story titled "why you shouldn't throw your vote away for Cornel West." Of course, you have to buy a membership to participate in Raw Story, so I don't link to it.

At any rate, Hartmann's piece is available under a different title on his Substack. It's got the same old arguments, as if Hartmann and a zillion others were on a mission to prove Cornelius Castoriadis right: we are in an era of "the complete atrophy of political imagination." At any rate, I've put Tim Black's rambling rebuttal in the comments section.

At any rate, I thought I could be more concise than Black, so this diary is a more concise rebuttal to Hartmann. I want to start with Hartmann's conclusion, which lays out a purpose he's had for much of his adult life:

At the national level, though, the best way to solve the problem of some Democratic politicians not being as progressive as we’d like is to get active by joining the Democratic Party and becoming a force for positive change within it. To stand up for public office and elect more progressives, something that can only be done within the Democratic Party.

However, all of the observational evidence as regards "taking over the Democratic Party" is that the Democratic Party has -- instead -- taken over those who would in their fantasy worlds take it over themselves. One wonders if present-day Democrats are the slightest bit conscious of how thoroughly failed their strategy has become in the Era of Biden. Do they have any collective recognition that we need a new era, and that the sooner this new era comes the better off we'll be?

Of course, Hartmann's argument is based on an apologetics about the system of voting in the United States. Hartmann poses a straw-man:

“People in France and Israel can vote for any one of a dozen parties and nobody complains that they’re ‘throwing away their vote.’ This is America: we’re even better! So, I should be able to vote for anybody I want!”

Then he knocks down the straw man by arguing that since America has a first-past-the-post voting system, we can't do as the French and the Israelis do. Poor Thom appears to be buried deep within his fantasy world, oblivious to the real-life plight of the French and of the Israelis and fiercely hoping that we can all pretend that we are still living in the year 2000 when Nader was running and that all of this bad newness will simply go away.

In present-day real life, the French are ruled by a neoliberal idiot named Macron (until 2027); when they elected the Socialists they got neoliberalism and when they elected the Green Party they got something rather spectacularly un-Green. And in present-day real life, the Israelis of the present day are about to dissolve into a theocracy. In neither case, neither that of France nor that of Israel, did the existence of multi-party democracy save either country from its current plight.

The root problem, of course, here as in France or Israel, is that in Hartmann's mind (as well as the minds of many others), politics has been reduced to voting (other electoral stuff being a means of coercing votes) and voting reduced to voting for the lesser of evils. In France and Israel, a fair portion of the people have started to recognize that their political systems are unredeemable, and so they've begun to protest, though the hope should be that they can move beyond protest toward something -- shall we say -- more creative. But in the US, of course, we are far less conscious of the path ahead -- Joe Biden has become the greater evil with his proxy war in Ukraine, and Cornel West's candidacy is a moment in what is hoped to be a movement:

So yeah. Thom continues with what he thinks is an observation about minor parties in the US:

In such a system, third parties almost always act as spoilers, drawing votes away from the major party to which they’re most closely aligned. People who vote Green, for example, generally would have voted Democratic, thus reducing that party’s vote; people who vote Libertarian would have voted Republican with the same effect.

Next year, however, the Greens will not be pondering whether or not they should vote for Joe Biden, senile advocate of World War III and actual advocate of damned little else outside of covering for his son's Burisma dealings. (If you want to see where the Biden foreign policy is leading, ask John Bolton, who openly advocates World War III.) Joe Biden is a really, really inappropriate President right now and for the foreseeable future. At any rate, the Greens may choose to vote for Donald Trump, self-absorbed lazy babbler of fascist rhetoric, if they feel there's an opening in Trump to avoid World War III. But I hope they can bring themselves to stick with Cornel West to the end.

To conclude, I wish to lay out Thom Hartmann's agenda as something importantly different from that of Cornel West. Here's Hartmann's agenda:

To not “throw away your vote,” but to help rebuild the institution that brought America Social Security, the minimum wage, the right to unionize, Medicare, Medicaid, free college, regulatory agencies that defend and protect the environment and working class people, support for people in poverty, and that built America’s first real middle class.

In reading this passage one should understand what a minimalist piece of work Hartmann's advocacy in fact is. The institutions that brought America all of those popular subsidies are doing just fine. They're baldly insufficient to the task at hand, and their existence as institutions are now predicated upon the enrichment of the already-rich (see e.g. Medicare Advantage) Essentially Hartmann promises that if we work really hard we can stay where we are. Ending imperialism? Preventing World War III? He's never heard of it.

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Cassiodorus's picture

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"the reason you need a new class to come into power in the United States is because this one is useless" -- Vijay Prashad

Thom is a perfect illustration of what happens when you are so afraid of what happens when you chose the lesser evil. You get Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. Once you start accepting evil you can never stop.

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@doh1304 Otherwise he would stop promoting the Democratic Party as the only path to Heaven. How do you account for this? Are you saying that he knows he's evil but can't stop?

There's plenty to be afraid of -- "think of the future," New Democrat Dean Phillips tells us. Is there evidence anywhere else in Hartmann's body of work, anywhere I have not yet considered, that Thom Hartmann has thought in any realistic way about the future?

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@Cassiodorus

might need some fixing:

Thom Hartmann any talking head has thought in any realistic way about the future?

There. FTFY. I see no evidence whatsoever that any of the talking heads, policy wonks, or politicians are thinking about anything *whatsoever* beyond lining their damned pockets as much as they can.

"He who dies with the most toys/cash wins", as the saying goes. Nobody that I can see is sparing any thought whatsoever about postponing the day of anyone's death, or making anyone's lives more livable until that occurs, except as window-dressing to enable further pocket-lining.

"I've got mine, so fuck you" is now the Official State Religion. And you can't argue with religion.

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@usefewersyllables

To not “throw away your vote,” but to help rebuild the institution that brought America Social Security, the minimum wage, the right to unionize, Medicare, Medicaid, free college, regulatory agencies that defend and protect the environment and working class people, support for people in poverty, and that built America’s first real middle class.

-- is pretty meaningless, and I suppose if you live in a bubble, and if you're well-paid to be in that bubble, that you can do really well, at least in the immediate financial picture, with a lot of earnest expressions of bubble-speak.

Meanwhile, the real world evinces chaos.

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@Cassiodorus

"Please clap."

Gotcha.

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@Cassiodorus
I think Thom is so afraid of the evil Republicans that he must denounce them in total at every turn, and accept any Democrat of any transgression, no matter how evil. This allows him to give such full support to the kill crazy lovecraftian horror in 2016 and a corrupt, warmongering racist today. As long as people like Thom refuse to stop supporting the Democrats the worse they will get.

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bc I spent so much time back in the day, the days more of terrestrial radio, listening to soft progressive Bernie-ite Tom. A few yrs ago I stopped listening as I moved on to more interesting fare w more indy voices on the internet. I wonder who his audience is today -- other aging soft lefties of a vaguely spiritual bent largely still stuck in the past? Dying off Pacifica Radio lefties?

It always struck me as odd that during a long period when libs and progs struggled to find a platform (pre- and early internet) to express their views, that Tom never seemed to struggle, always had a place to speak into the microphone, usually with a nationwide footprint. Similar to Amy Goodman. Is Tom funded in similar Deep Establishment ways?

I concluded a while back, giving in to a hunch, that his role he has been prepped or funded for is to occasionally appear lefty-leftish, in a 90s Bernie Sanders way, and ultimately to be a lefty-ish gatekeeper on certain major issues, someone instructed to keep the herd from straying too far from the reservation. He is there to keep the left from getting too lefty, from getting too many independent ideas which could upset the status quo.

I don't think he's authentic, and today he is long past his sell-by date wrt relevance, so really it's not worth too much of my time to rebut what he might say on a certain issue.

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@wokkamile it makes sense for Thom to take his position on CW as his longtime radio guest Bernard "Fridays With Bernie" Sanders months ago pledged his allegiance to Biden, so Thom is just following his sellout friend Bernie.

Btw, wasn't Thom a die-hard Russiagater all the way through?

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legal protests are a big yawn. Pink hats for Trump. BLM for bored with covid. Worst case an excuse for nutters to break things.

Voting has the power to change who runs things. If more people think differently, well too bad. Move or learn to get along.

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@ban nock

....have proved too be equally ineffective.

If you polled voters and protesters, I believe the majority would agree.

They seem to be getting along just fine, despite the futility they must feel.

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It’s Never About The US President, It’s About The US Empire

We talk about US presidents all the time — Obama did this, Trump did that, blah blah blah. But really it’s never the president doing those things, it’s the empire. The president is just the face of the operation, the name they put on the door that they change every few years to create the illusion that the US government is responsive to the will of the electorate.

Really if you look solely at the raw data of the US power structure around the world (where the weapons are going, where the resources are going, where the money is and isn’t going, where the diplomats are and aren’t going, etc), you can’t tell from year to year when the White House is changing hands. You can’t tell from that raw data what political party the current president belongs to or what platform he campaigned on, and you can’t tell when he’s replaced by someone from the other party with another platform. The raw data of the empire keeps moving in basically the same way without any meaningful interruption.

So it’s not really true to say “Obama did this” or “Trump did that”; really they’re just the face that happened to be on the operation when it was time to kill Gaddafi or begin the Pivot to Asia or sanction Venezuela or start arming Ukraine or whatever. They’re not leaders leading the US government in various directions based on what they think the best policies are, they’re empire managers who are responding to whatever the needs of the empire happen to be each day — using whatever justifications or partisan leverage they can muster in that moment.

And Americans don’t get to vote on any of that stuff. They don’t get to vote on what will have to be done to facilitate the needs of a globe-spanning empire, or if there should be a globe-spanning empire at all. The behavior of the empire is never on the ballot. The only things that are ever on the ballot are issues which stand no possibility of ever interfering in the operation of the empire, like whether the president will appoint Supreme Court justices who oppose abortion or support gun control. And the voting populace is continually kept at a 50/50 split on as many of those issues as possible to keep both sides tugging on the rope with all their might so they don’t look up and notice that the real large-scale behavior of their government is completely unaffected by the small back and forth gains and losses of the tug-o-war game.

Really the only reason to talk about US presidents in terms of “Obama did this” and “Trump did that” is to highlight this point. To highlight the fact that Obama continued and expanded all the most malignant policies of his predecessor, and that Trump continued and expanded all the most malignant policies of his. To disrupt all the dopey partisan narratives about things getting better under Biden or worse under Trump or that Obama was a progressive or Trump was a peacemaker.

By pointing out the horrible things that happened under each administration, regardless of party affiliation or platform, the illusion that Americans are controlling the behavior of their government using their votes can be worn away. You can in this sense use the illusion to fight the illusion — use people’s intense interest in presidents and electoral politics to draw them into the insight that it’s all a performance designed to keep the eyes of the masses away from the inner workings of the machine.

And then the possibility for real change opens up. The longer Americans are convinced that they can vote their way out of problems they never voted their way into in the first place, the longer they can be dissuaded from using the power of their numbers to force real material changes by real material means.

@Pluto's Republic

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@Pluto's Republic For US politicians Sanders and Trump were both pretty outside the mainstream. It's arguable that Trump in the end did the bidding of the Plutocrats re taxes and deregulation but they sure don't like him. Sanders was much better even and did very well considering. He made some concessions to the SJWs to be viable. He also came very close to winning the nomination and therefore the election. Of course there's still the matter of congress but it's a lot easier to change things in the US than in non Democratic countries. The vote is undervalued because it's not put to good use.

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@ban nock

but it's a lot easier to change things in the US than in non Democratic countries

I guess that’s why the quality of life has gone down every year since Reagan helped democrats decide that they can make more money working with republicans to wage war against we the people by advocating for big business to throw money their way than to stick to their principles of helping the working class and the poor. In case you have forgotten it was Clinton who ended welfare as we knew it and signed the trade agreement that decimated factories and jobs and the worst thing he did after the USSR fell and the Cold War was over was to start expanding NATO closer to Russia's borders. People came out in droves to vote for Obama because of what he ran on, but once he got into office and had both a super majority and the mandate of the people he went back on everything he ran on and worked to make the rich richer. Tell me one thing he did that helped mainstream America. I’ll wait…

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@ban nock please give an example?

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

@on the cusp of ineffective protests, pretty much all of them. Of voting, Ballot measures are obvious though I don't like them. They brought legalisation. Not sure what you'd like examples of.

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@ban nock having an effect on power.

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Thom Hartman is a neoliberal propaganda mouthpiece. He is taking the money to his bank. He did long ago used to seem somewhat progressive here and there, when Bush and Cheney were going strong. Then it did not take much to seem left. But always in the end, he is for the establishment. Hartman is a Bluenomatterwho.

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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both - Albert Einstein

@dystopian Used to have him and right wing talk on the same speed dial button on the radio. For the longest time I couldn't tell him from Rush or Hannity. My rule was listen until they pissed me off and I never listened long enough to recognise voices but the tone was the same.

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@aliasalias will be the first female Mafia don. Does everything Tony Soprano did, and she's fully a woman!

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