Alpha's Wyoming Primary watchers Live thread.
Submitted by Alphalop on Sat, 04/09/2016 - 12:25pm
Well, the Polls are closing and results should start trickling in soon.
Here is the link to the Guardian's results tracker if you want to watch Mini-Bernie fill in another map.
I will be posting results as I get them and hope to see you guys here!
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pretty different in terms of precincts and time of event
23 precincts in total and a morning caucus. It looks like 1 precinct per county.
Can Bernie succeed here after his "incredibly bad week" when he tied his shoelaces improperly? I heard Krugman was aghast at "shoe-tie-gate".
Krugman has been filleted at Naked Capitalism
(comments there are majorly good)
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/04/paul-krugman-crosses-the-line.html
Awesome article!
Wow, I just popped over here to see what's up
I had no idea that the caucus was ending so soon. I be watching on and off as I get stuff done around the house. Thanks for putting up another of these, alphalop!
I don't think they have "Ended" as of yet, It says polls close
at 1PM EST, but it could be hours, or minutes before we know anything.
I am hoping we start getting early results soon, the wait is killing me, lol!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
here's the link to the New York Times Wyoming results
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/wyoming
The Guardian Wyoming page
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/apr/09/wyoming-de...
Reporters are saying about 65/35 split for Sanders
in Laramie County. (According to CNN field report)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Wow, looks like Bernie's side in Cheyenne had just a couple more
people in it.
(not sure how to get it to embed the image along with the tweet. )
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Oh, it worked! It just doesn't show up in the Preview. :)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
lol - it requires the same leap of faith
that we took to support Bernie. Thanks for the live blog.
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Here is a shot of Clinton's Corner from Twitter.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
And here is the other side (Sanders Corner)
What a beautiful sight.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
nice editing!
I was gonna say.....you're quick!
Thanks, I caught the screw up right away.
It's nice being able to edit a post, makes me look less stupid.
(Well, not a lot but I will take what I can get, lol!)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
The early numbers look to be indicating that we have yet another
record breaking turnout for the caucuses in WY.
Lets hope that trend continues through NY, NJ, PA and CA!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I'm hoping that Bill keeps talking
that'll help Bernie on the 19th and 26th
Oh wow! What a big difference. another shot of the turnout
for Sanders vs Clinton.
I believe this is from Casper?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Oh! My!!!!
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Hmm, according to NYT, Casper tilted slightly in HRC's
favor.
The distribution of numbers coming out is quite peculiar, but I don't know much about Wyoming's political geography.
Does anyone know how Wyoming will apportion its national delegates? Looks like Sanders will take about 6/11 of the state delegates.
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Despite the overwhelming number of Sanders Attendees
MSNBC is saying that Hillary won Laramie by absentee ballots.
Still no official results at this time.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Sanders: 689 vs Clinton: 731 according to MSNBC
in Laramie
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Looking over the Wyoming Democrats FAQ page
http://www.wyodems.org/frequently-asked-questions, I don't see any provision for absentee ballots. Which seems intuitive for a caucus, but this has been a very strange season.
so the absentees broke for Hillary 10 to 1?
I find that hard to believe but we'll see
Yeah, I agree. I am not a fan of the caucus process.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Unofficial Caucus Results
http://www.crowdsourcingdemocracy.org/results.html
Wow, she was almost unviable in Albany according to that!
Maybe by 4 or 5 votes?
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
On a side note, someone linked Cenk Uygur's live stream of him
being kicked from a flight.
I'm checking it out to kill time, lol!
Let's just say this makes me think AA won't be seeing my business based on what I have been seeing so far.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Remind me never to get on Cenk's bad side!
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First results from Wyoming
Gives Laramie to Clinton with 4.3% of the state in. 100% for Laramie
Statewide results
1/23 precincts (4.3%) reporting
Hillary Clinton
26
51.0%
Bernie Sanders
25
49.0%
51 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Sanders leads by 11 points, with 30% reporting.
4 more counties in. 3 for Bernie.
Statewide results
7/23 precincts (30.4%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
51
55.4%
Hillary Clinton
41
44.6%
92 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Oops. correct that. 3 are ties out of the 7 reported
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Wow, only 2 votes in Niobrara both for Sanders.
That is a small one, lol!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
that's gotta be delegates
Yes -
* The Wyoming Democratic Party doesn't report vote counts. It reports State Convention Delegates (SCDs).
34.7% in and another county ties. Sanders leads 54.5-45.5
Statewide results
8/23 precincts (34.7%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
61
54.5%
Hillary Clinton
51
45.5%
112 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I think that that's probably a delegate count, not a voter count
They're showing only 51 total for Laramie. Hillary got 26, Bernie got 25.
Statewide results 10/23 precincts (43.4%) reporting another tie.
Statewide results
10/23 precincts (43.4%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
66
54.1%
Hillary Clinton
56
45.9%
122 total votes
I have to say, the number of ties is surprising.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Going to be a little disappointing
if he doesn't win by double digits. I thought he would get well over 60% of the vote.
Thanks, Alpha, as always. 43% Bernie 54-46. Tighter than I had
thought. Whassup with that?
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52.1% in and two more ties? WTF?
This is kind of a weird one...
Sanders still leads the state by 9 so there is that...
Statewide results
12/23 precincts (52.1%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
68
54.0%
Hillary Clinton
58
46.0%
126 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
OK, I think I've got it figured out.
The 54-46 is delegate percentages, not voter percentages. The crowdsourcing site seems to be pretty accurate so far. So in Johnson County the actual votes were 46 to 27 which means he got, what?, 70% of the vote? But they still each got 1 of the 2 delegates, because he didn't shut her out. Thus, that county is reported as 50-50, not 70-30.
That sucks
Well, it does mean that he shut her out in Niobrara County
because he got both delegates.
Ahhh, thanks for that. That makes sense...
I was wondering what was up with that. Thanks for sharing it!
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My pleasure.
Thank YOU for putting these up each election.
Caucuses are weird
and seem very undemocratic.
Their math is correct.
46 to 27 is not 50%. It's closer to 45% or slightly lower. WY has always been written off as a RW bastion. Dickbreath Cheney elected him. I'm real curious to see what the final tallies will be. Rec'd!
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It's a caucus
We need to push for primaries. We really do.
Agreed. The Caucus system is garbage and our party should
absolutely get rid of them.
I do like proportional allocation over winner take all though, I think it is much more democratic model.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Caucus is not garbage.
These are states that count. The Bernster said it would not end until all Americans vote. The young people are very aware of that fact. Take it from somebody who knows what first-class political corruption is. Rec'd and thanks!
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I am not saying that the state or its voters don't count.
I am saying the Caucus process is a messy and disenfranchising one.
Those that are disabled cannot fully take part, nor can those that have to work on caucus days, or have child care issues, etc...
I also have problems with the lack of anonymity, If my boss was a Hillary supporter and I was a Bernie supporter I know it would concern me based on some of the attitudes of Hillary supporters I have seen.
They tend to be a vindictive bunch.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Caucus is another way to dull any insurgency
Sanders wins 70% of a county
The County has only 2 delegates
The two delegates are then split evenly!?!
Right now Sanders has state 154 delegates, even given the above theft
Clinton has state 120 delegates
Delegates to National convention
Sanders 7
Clinton 6
So Sanders is winning 60 - 70% of the state and the split ends up being 7 - 6!?!
That is so insane, so wrong, it completely defies characterizing!!
Well, as we've seen, things can change if not all of
those state convention delegates make it to the convention ...
Your larger point is correct though. Interestingly, the system as constructed quite specifically dulls the significance of votes in the smallest-population counties, because they need very large vote-disparities to create an imbalance of state delegates -- especially if they are granted an even number of state delegates. I've concluded, after mulling this from Iowa onwards, that delegates should always be allocated in odd blocks.
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Caucus
No, it doesn't kill an insurgency. It actually helps it cos a bunch of registered citizens show up. They schmooze and talk and connect. It's not like that in an actual closed primary. I live in Florida so I know. Our latest political show was that Rick (Indicted Criminal) Scott showed up at a Starbucks in Gainesville. A lady recognized him, and she let him have it!! No Medicaid plus no mass transit which the Feds would have paid for. Burn**Bernster**Bern!!
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sure looks like it blunted the results of this "win"
Bernie managed to get half of the delegates
Bernie widens his lead to almost 13 points!
Statewide results
14/23 precincts (60.8%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
111
56.3%
Hillary Clinton
86
43.7%
197 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Bernie Took Albany by 75.8%!!
lets hope the other counties that surround Cheyenne do the same.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I find the "ties" extremely problematic
The large number of them positively screams for investigation-what are the odds, really?
Lsmith gave a valid, logical sounding explanation a couple posts
above.
It sounds reasonable. I would like to see the voter totals rather than the delegate count, but frigging caucuses.....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Well, if the delegate numbers are a TIE
then the VOTE numbers are also (within some parameter-and what that is would probably depend on the total number of attendees). But it STILL seems questionable. I'd like to see past caucus results just for an FYI, to compare.
Remember that in the counties with only 2 delegates
Bernie would have to get something like 85% of the vote to completely shut her out.
True, the smaller the caucus, the larger the spread has to be
BUT-I'd still love to see some historical figures (say, Obama v Clinton
)
Yeah, if you got to the site
http://www.crowdsourcingdemocracy.org/results.html they are reporting the actual vote counts for Bernie as people tweeted them. So far, it seems pretty accurate for the delegate counts, so maybe the votes are accurate, too.
69.5% Reporting: Sanders picks up another win and another tie.
Statewide results
16/23 precincts (69.5%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
121
56.3%
Hillary Clinton
94
43.7%
215 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Wyoming
I'm assuming that the earlier absentee ballots have been counted. Correct?
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MSNBC: Double digit win for Bernie is...
a BIG win for Hillary, that's the real story...
SMFH...
:::sigh:::
I can't even watch them, I tried but the MSM has really lost me.
The amount of spin and it's completely obvious nature (well to those of us that are actually paying attention to the election elsewhere) is really gross.
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A suggested headline for MSNBC
Bernie's awful week continues to worsen with double digit Wyoming victory
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*grin*
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Bernie picks up a couple more counties with 78.2% reporting
Statewide results
18/23 precincts (78.2%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
128
56.4%
Hillary Clinton
99
43.6%
227 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Carbon county flipped for Hillary?
Statewide results
20/23 precincts (86.9%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
147
56.1%
Hillary Clinton
115
43.9%
262 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
If these early numbers hold up,
he's already ahead by about 30%. Not too shabby when one considers WY is why Cheney is still scott free.
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Wyoming has been called for Sanders. still 3 counties out.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
2 more counties for Sanders 1 to go.
Statewide results
22/23 precincts (95.6%) reporting
Bernie Sanders
154
56.2%
Hillary Clinton
120
43.8%
274 total votes
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Looks like Bernie is gonna win by about a 13% Spin in 3. 2. 1..
"Bernie didn't win by enough, details at 11"
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
The spin remains the same
"Hillary is inevitable".
But if Bernie can upset her in NY, the meme dies.
I got a feeling the Clinton camp will put it on life support...
Well after the plug should have been pulled.
Hell, they already are doing that now, lol!
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Spin
No, the Shrillery will have problems with this WY result. Go Bernster!!
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Washakie County, which was a tie has now flipped to Clinton...
Narrowing Bernie's lead to only 12%.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Seven in a row
Now onto New York.
Please note unless he would of shut her out this election was not going to make news.
Hmmm, I might be mistaken, but I thought this county only
had two delegates earlier when it was a 50/50 tie but now it has 3?
Now I am confused, lol!
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Shenanigans! ;)
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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It's looking like it's going to be a 7/7 tie
If so, how disappointing.
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Why do you say that?
I though it would be 8-6.
I'm reading in Twitter
The actual delegate math is beyond me but the status quo seems to be 7/6 for Bernie. If Goshen goes 70% for Bernie then it's 8/6 otherwise 7/7.
Multiple twitter people seem to be agreeing with most or all of that.
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OK, thanks
That will indeed be disappointing if it pans out that way.
Still quite disappointing. nt
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Why do you consider it disappointing?
n/t
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B/c of the 0 change in delegate deficit (if 7-7).
Bernie was expected by many accounts to win at least 11-3. Some even thought it could be 14-0.
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