The Dose 01-17-22

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The Dose is an open thread dedicated to the gentle discussion of of all things Covid. Please refrain from posting covid material elsewhere. Thank you.

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No Australian Open For You, Novak. ( hat tip to Soup Nazi)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/15/opinion/novak-djokovic-australian-ope...

https://rumble.com/vsphzb-australias-deportation-of-novak-djokovic.html This is Glenn Greenwald's podcast and his take, which I found compelling and ominous.

Good morning C99.

Here are two views of the Novak Djokovic story. And his Exit from Australia before he could participate in the Australian Open.

The facts do not change in the 2 versions, but the emphasis does.

Obedience is clearly a very high value in Australia.

Coming soon to a neighborhood near all of us. Yikes.....

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@NYCVG

Surprised me...I mean COVID camps? Sadly they have no 1st nor 2nd amendment etc (speech and actions are not protected - after all they are the descendants of prisoners) there. Based on that you would think they would be in support of the confined and now expelled Serbian tennis star.

I guess I am a descendant of prisoners too. My people came from debtors prison to the US in the 1700's as indentured servants.

Things have mostly opened up again there (depending on the state) because elections loom.

Like in the US they don't have much to vote for... (4 min)

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout @Lookout . So your roots in USA are hundreds of years old. I can only wonder what that feels like.

My grandparents all arrived well before WW II, so there are no horror stories similar to what so many Jews will tell about relatives and families lost in the War. I am grateful for that.

I am 3rd generation American on my father's side who came from Latvia.
My maternal grandparents came from Warsaw which is pertinent to what's happening now in so many ways.

My grandmother read wrote and spoke Russian, English, Yiddish, and German fluently. She also could read Hebrew, but not Polish. Until the day she died her kitchen table was strewn with newspapers in Yiddish, English and Russian. Our cuisine, borscht, for example, echoed Russia. I cannot recall even the word "Poland" from growing up.

Ethnic Russians inhabited at least some of Poland and as far as I know, may remain there. Russian at heart.

Similarly, Kiev was Russian when my husband's grandparents lived there. Now they have changed the name to Kyiv, but the Russian ancestry lives on.

Boundaries drawn on maps cannot change people's identity very easily. This is a part of what's happening in Ukraine now.

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@NYCVG My maternal grandparents came form Vilnius which was list as being Russia when they came thru Ellis Island. Vilnius though could be considered one of Lithuania/Russia/Poland depending on when one immigrated here.

My Father and his family all came over from Warsaw although my Grandfather first came alone in 1933, while my father then immigrated here alone in 1935. I'm not certain of when my grandmother Uncle and Aunt all came but happily they made it out in time.

As far as Covid camps the D's although it is a Rasmussen Poll seem to be leaning that way. And one must also remember that although if the poll is correct and 59% of D's want camps or lockdowns they represent only 25% of the voting population. So the 59% most likely number around 24 million people(less than 10% of all americans) and that's if everyone voted.

I think my math is correct. Smile

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/poll-finds-close-half-democratic-vote...

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“Those who choose the lesser evil forget very quickly that they chose evil.”
— Hannah Arendt

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@ggersh @ggersh @ggersh Zero Hedge and Rasmussen? Gimmie a break. Well known Right wing and and highly dubious. We make our living from poll data, public opinion, and studies. Scary but not likely as there are lots of unvaccinated people here and glibally.The last thing the owners od the place want is the hell that would erupt if they interred the unvaccinated. Australia? I doubt it.

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@ggersh

Rasmussen is a right-wing polling outfit with an obvious bias. From their own site:

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by Matt Palumbo's The Man Behind the Curtain: Inside the Secret Network of George Soros"

There are a lot of sources, left, center, right, that I don't find believable. This is one of them. In addition, if you don't already know, Rasmussen conducts "interviews" with no human connection. It's all a recorded voice. There is no way to confirm who is being interviewed, thus no way to know whether that person is a Democrat, a Republican, or anything else.

Here's a partial list of people/organizations I won't believe:

Rasmussen
Project Veritas
The New York Times
Fox (Carlson, Hannity, etc.)
MSNBC (Maddow, etc.)
CNN

that's partial. Plenty of others

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@Shahryar

Ian Miles Cheong
Will Chamberlain

ggersh, I know you said "if it's true" and explained the numbers a bit. I'm saying I would have skipped the whole thing.

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@NYCVG

Djokovic was allowed to enter the country because he met their qualifications to do so. Period. They changed their minds on the rules for him once he got there. People agreed with the final decision based on which team they were on.

Team Freedom vs. Team Control Freaks

Note: We are in a rampant Information War. “Misinformation” and “anti-vaxxer” are tools used to disable the ability to have a conversation. Please judge all links and sources by their content, as opposed to by the Wikipedia page and Google results of the author.

Team Freedom is made up of an eclectic group of people who have been tirelessly, selflessly and furiously digging for any real Covid and vaccine related data and information they can find. The unofficial leaders of this movement have put their lives on hold as they uncover the ongoing damage that the mass vaccination program is having on society on a multitude of levels. They include doctors, lawyers, scientists, nurses, data analysts, tech millionaires, vaccine injured victims, civil rights advocates, journalists and parents. They’ve found each other through various “underground” channels, as big tech chases them off platforms as fast as they can. They’ve discovered more than enough information to sound a level 5 fire alarm, and their audience is growing. Yet every time they try and break through to “mainstream” information platforms, Team Control makes sure the door gets slammed in their face.

Team Control Freaks is made up of governments all over the world, tech giants, pharma companies, the media arm of the government, the entire medical establishment, and all the Karens in your neighborhood who are determined to vaccinate everyone on this planet, every 6 months at almost any cost. They’re an absolute goliath who’ve snatched up civil liberties from people all over the globe at a terrifying rate.

This race to the finish line will determine what the outcome will be, and who will control global movement and economies over this incoming era, whatever it may be. Either the narrative will remain dominant long enough for this global digital medical passport to take hold, giving even more terrifying amounts of control to governing bodies, or the information dam will break, and enough people worldwide will actively reject being ushered into a digital tracking system meant for segregation. /End rant for today.

More from the same author.

The global war between Team Freedom and Team Control Freaks is ramping up by the hour. The kids vaccination campaign is getting desperate and losing steam at the same time, as triple vaccinated people start getting sick all over the place. The restrictions on the “unvaccinated” (which by now means any amount of shots that isn’t 3) are getting tighter, then looser, then tighter, then who the hell knows because it changes every single day. What I’m describing is based on my personal experience here in Israel, but I could easily be talking about almost any country in the world, save for a precious few locations where the elected officials in government value individual rights and freedoms as much as the citizens do.

As the world turns in chaos, society is realigning itself along brand new fault lines, where religion, class, race and nationality fall by the wayside, and the one issue that rises to the top as a unifying factor is freedom. There’s a segment of people for whom this was always the top issue, and those are the ones leading this new alliance (Team Freedom) There’s a segment of people who will always align with the “experts” that have been in powerful positions for so long, that the default position should be to distrust them, yet there will always be those who trust them for exactly the wrong reasons (Team Control). Then there are those who can feel that something’s wrong, but they can’t identify what it is (Team Confused).

What people will get out of the video will depend on which side they are on. The bottom line for not allowing him to stay seems to be this:

'The minister added that with Djokovic being viewed as an "icon," the player's presence in Australia could excite anti-vaccination sentiment, derail Australia's vaccination efforts, and ultimately affect the health system.'

Seems he is on team control freaks.

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It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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as antivax even if they are just pro treatment or anti mandate or...

Is there a vax only label? The whole idea of vax labels seems absurd. Here's an interesting conversation...

Brett and Heather compare being labeled racists to being labeled anti-vax. (6.5 min)

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout @Lookout First they label you. Then they exclude you......

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

@Pricknick I posted the same art work earlier in another post.

These posters were on a wall in DC.

For as long as they lasted, anyway.

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@NYCVG
if I posted on top of another post of yours.
Perhaps these posters should be posted as much as possible.
I'm thinking of buying some paste to paste some posters.
Luv

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

@Pricknick I agree with you on the importance of this art.

That's why I added the location details.

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LeighWolf said a lady then walked up and asked him if he had posted them or if he was there to take them down. That’s when he began taking video.

In the video shared on Twitter, the lady is seen ripping the posters off the wall. LeighWolf asked her why and if all art must comply.

“Yes, it’s a public health concern,” she can be heard saying in the Twitter video. “It’s alarmism. It is dangerous propaganda … I live in the neighborhood. This is b***s***.”

Noam Blum also spotted posters in Glover Park, near the intersection of Calvert St. and Wisconsin Ave.

“I rarely see street art of this type coming from a right-wing (or however you want to call it) point of view,” Blum told the Washington Examiner. “So, it felt more noteworthy than some anti-Trump poster, which are a dime a dozen.”

Blum noted that one of the posters portraying Biden as a saint with the text, "Good kids are compliant kids," includes children looking up and wearing pins showing their allegiance to Fauci and vaccine mandates.

“Hard to spot, but the kids are wearing pins that say ‘hug me, I'm vaccinated,’ a picture of Fauci and [another pin] that says ‘VACCINATED but still stay away from me,’” Blum said on Twitter.

Photos show another poster depicting Biden angrily holding a mallet with the initials of the Occupational Health and Safety Administration on it. "COMPLY" is used as a border. A third poster shows Fauci dressed as a priest holding a large vaccine with text saying, "TRUST THE SCIENTISM."

Biden is also portrayed sitting on a throne holding a large coronavirus molecule with the text "MANDATE! SEGREGATE! SUBJUGATE!" above his head.

I think the last one speaks volumes.

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@snoopydawg

are reminiscent of Emory Douglas', Back Panthers art. It's very effective, and hopefully will be replaced after being torn down by a vandal.

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@janis b
these posters are reminiscent of the russian scare.
How poignant.

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@Pricknick

Do you mean like these?

https://www.openculture.com/2014/11/the-red-menace-a-striking-gallery-of...

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@janis b I thought it looked like John McCain, and couldn't make the connection.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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@Bisbonian

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Additional context and nuance at Pierre Kory SubStack

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@ovals49

will it be enough to snuff the passport program?
people have been programmed to accept the Fauci
big brother response. Our best path is to stop the
mandate route and let the 'covidis common cold'
run its course. And reject this passport lie.

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@QMS

with whether the programming can be overcome. It's been hammered on and on.

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@QMS

I don’t see how they can do it when even the CDC and Fauci have admitted that they don’t keep people from getting infected and spreading. I can’t verify this yet, but heard that Newsom is giving companies immunity from lawsuits if they do mandates. The hell with informed consent and our right to not have a medical procedure that we don’t want. If they can mandate them then hello slippery slope because it opens up Pandora’s box for whatever else they can force us to do.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/apple-tells-employees-they-have-four-w...

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@ovals49

in the US. What they are describing in your list should not be taken lightly.
There are a few weak conclusions, which may be dictated by the board of
directors, but for the most part their descriptions are right on. If only we
could separate the politics from the science, we may be able to formulate
a clear picture of what we are facing. Then make rational decisions.

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@ovals49

That's the way I've seen it since the S. Africa data became public.

The other issue which I find rarely mentioned is there are effective preventative measures and many effective treatments. No reason for all the hysterics now that we have a better understanding. Word will get out. A