The Dose 01-17-22

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The Dose is an open thread dedicated to the gentle discussion of of all things Covid. Please refrain from posting covid material elsewhere. Thank you.

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No Australian Open For You, Novak. ( hat tip to Soup Nazi)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/15/opinion/novak-djokovic-australian-ope...

https://rumble.com/vsphzb-australias-deportation-of-novak-djokovic.html This is Glenn Greenwald's podcast and his take, which I found compelling and ominous.

Good morning C99.

Here are two views of the Novak Djokovic story. And his Exit from Australia before he could participate in the Australian Open.

The facts do not change in the 2 versions, but the emphasis does.

Obedience is clearly a very high value in Australia.

Coming soon to a neighborhood near all of us. Yikes.....

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@NYCVG

Surprised me...I mean COVID camps? Sadly they have no 1st nor 2nd amendment etc (speech and actions are not protected - after all they are the descendants of prisoners) there. Based on that you would think they would be in support of the confined and now expelled Serbian tennis star.

I guess I am a descendant of prisoners too. My people came from debtors prison to the US in the 1700's as indentured servants.

Things have mostly opened up again there (depending on the state) because elections loom.

Like in the US they don't have much to vote for... (4 min)

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout @Lookout . So your roots in USA are hundreds of years old. I can only wonder what that feels like.

My grandparents all arrived well before WW II, so there are no horror stories similar to what so many Jews will tell about relatives and families lost in the War. I am grateful for that.

I am 3rd generation American on my father's side who came from Latvia.
My maternal grandparents came from Warsaw which is pertinent to what's happening now in so many ways.

My grandmother read wrote and spoke Russian, English, Yiddish, and German fluently. She also could read Hebrew, but not Polish. Until the day she died her kitchen table was strewn with newspapers in Yiddish, English and Russian. Our cuisine, borscht, for example, echoed Russia. I cannot recall even the word "Poland" from growing up.

Ethnic Russians inhabited at least some of Poland and as far as I know, may remain there. Russian at heart.

Similarly, Kiev was Russian when my husband's grandparents lived there. Now they have changed the name to Kyiv, but the Russian ancestry lives on.

Boundaries drawn on maps cannot change people's identity very easily. This is a part of what's happening in Ukraine now.

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@NYCVG My maternal grandparents came form Vilnius which was list as being Russia when they came thru Ellis Island. Vilnius though could be considered one of Lithuania/Russia/Poland depending on when one immigrated here.

My Father and his family all came over from Warsaw although my Grandfather first came alone in 1933, while my father then immigrated here alone in 1935. I'm not certain of when my grandmother Uncle and Aunt all came but happily they made it out in time.

As far as Covid camps the D's although it is a Rasmussen Poll seem to be leaning that way. And one must also remember that although if the poll is correct and 59% of D's want camps or lockdowns they represent only 25% of the voting population. So the 59% most likely number around 24 million people(less than 10% of all americans) and that's if everyone voted.

I think my math is correct. Smile

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/poll-finds-close-half-democratic-vote...

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“Those who choose the lesser evil forget very quickly that they chose evil.”
— Hannah Arendt

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@ggersh @ggersh @ggersh Zero Hedge and Rasmussen? Gimmie a break. Well known Right wing and and highly dubious. We make our living from poll data, public opinion, and studies. Scary but not likely as there are lots of unvaccinated people here and glibally.The last thing the owners od the place want is the hell that would erupt if they interred the unvaccinated. Australia? I doubt it.

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@ggersh

Rasmussen is a right-wing polling outfit with an obvious bias. From their own site:

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by Matt Palumbo's The Man Behind the Curtain: Inside the Secret Network of George Soros"

There are a lot of sources, left, center, right, that I don't find believable. This is one of them. In addition, if you don't already know, Rasmussen conducts "interviews" with no human connection. It's all a recorded voice. There is no way to confirm who is being interviewed, thus no way to know whether that person is a Democrat, a Republican, or anything else.

Here's a partial list of people/organizations I won't believe:

Rasmussen
Project Veritas
The New York Times
Fox (Carlson, Hannity, etc.)
MSNBC (Maddow, etc.)
CNN

that's partial. Plenty of others

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Ian Miles Cheong
Will Chamberlain

ggersh, I know you said "if it's true" and explained the numbers a bit. I'm saying I would have skipped the whole thing.

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@NYCVG

Djokovic was allowed to enter the country because he met their qualifications to do so. Period. They changed their minds on the rules for him once he got there. People agreed with the final decision based on which team they were on.

Team Freedom vs. Team Control Freaks

Note: We are in a rampant Information War. “Misinformation” and “anti-vaxxer” are tools used to disable the ability to have a conversation. Please judge all links and sources by their content, as opposed to by the Wikipedia page and Google results of the author.

Team Freedom is made up of an eclectic group of people who have been tirelessly, selflessly and furiously digging for any real Covid and vaccine related data and information they can find. The unofficial leaders of this movement have put their lives on hold as they uncover the ongoing damage that the mass vaccination program is having on society on a multitude of levels. They include doctors, lawyers, scientists, nurses, data analysts, tech millionaires, vaccine injured victims, civil rights advocates, journalists and parents. They’ve found each other through various “underground” channels, as big tech chases them off platforms as fast as they can. They’ve discovered more than enough information to sound a level 5 fire alarm, and their audience is growing. Yet every time they try and break through to “mainstream” information platforms, Team Control makes sure the door gets slammed in their face.

Team Control Freaks is made up of governments all over the world, tech giants, pharma companies, the media arm of the government, the entire medical establishment, and all the Karens in your neighborhood who are determined to vaccinate everyone on this planet, every 6 months at almost any cost. They’re an absolute goliath who’ve snatched up civil liberties from people all over the globe at a terrifying rate.

This race to the finish line will determine what the outcome will be, and who will control global movement and economies over this incoming era, whatever it may be. Either the narrative will remain dominant long enough for this global digital medical passport to take hold, giving even more terrifying amounts of control to governing bodies, or the information dam will break, and enough people worldwide will actively reject being ushered into a digital tracking system meant for segregation. /End rant for today.

More from the same author.

The global war between Team Freedom and Team Control Freaks is ramping up by the hour. The kids vaccination campaign is getting desperate and losing steam at the same time, as triple vaccinated people start getting sick all over the place. The restrictions on the “unvaccinated” (which by now means any amount of shots that isn’t 3) are getting tighter, then looser, then tighter, then who the hell knows because it changes every single day. What I’m describing is based on my personal experience here in Israel, but I could easily be talking about almost any country in the world, save for a precious few locations where the elected officials in government value individual rights and freedoms as much as the citizens do.

As the world turns in chaos, society is realigning itself along brand new fault lines, where religion, class, race and nationality fall by the wayside, and the one issue that rises to the top as a unifying factor is freedom. There’s a segment of people for whom this was always the top issue, and those are the ones leading this new alliance (Team Freedom) There’s a segment of people who will always align with the “experts” that have been in powerful positions for so long, that the default position should be to distrust them, yet there will always be those who trust them for exactly the wrong reasons (Team Control). Then there are those who can feel that something’s wrong, but they can’t identify what it is (Team Confused).

What people will get out of the video will depend on which side they are on. The bottom line for not allowing him to stay seems to be this:

'The minister added that with Djokovic being viewed as an "icon," the player's presence in Australia could excite anti-vaccination sentiment, derail Australia's vaccination efforts, and ultimately affect the health system.'

Seems he is on team control freaks.

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as antivax even if they are just pro treatment or anti mandate or...

Is there a vax only label? The whole idea of vax labels seems absurd. Here's an interesting conversation...

Brett and Heather compare being labeled racists to being labeled anti-vax. (6.5 min)

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout @Lookout First they label you. Then they exclude you......

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

@Pricknick I posted the same art work earlier in another post.

These posters were on a wall in DC.

For as long as they lasted, anyway.

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@NYCVG
if I posted on top of another post of yours.
Perhaps these posters should be posted as much as possible.
I'm thinking of buying some paste to paste some posters.
Luv

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

@Pricknick I agree with you on the importance of this art.

That's why I added the location details.

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LeighWolf said a lady then walked up and asked him if he had posted them or if he was there to take them down. That’s when he began taking video.

In the video shared on Twitter, the lady is seen ripping the posters off the wall. LeighWolf asked her why and if all art must comply.

“Yes, it’s a public health concern,” she can be heard saying in the Twitter video. “It’s alarmism. It is dangerous propaganda … I live in the neighborhood. This is b***s***.”

Noam Blum also spotted posters in Glover Park, near the intersection of Calvert St. and Wisconsin Ave.

“I rarely see street art of this type coming from a right-wing (or however you want to call it) point of view,” Blum told the Washington Examiner. “So, it felt more noteworthy than some anti-Trump poster, which are a dime a dozen.”

Blum noted that one of the posters portraying Biden as a saint with the text, "Good kids are compliant kids," includes children looking up and wearing pins showing their allegiance to Fauci and vaccine mandates.

“Hard to spot, but the kids are wearing pins that say ‘hug me, I'm vaccinated,’ a picture of Fauci and [another pin] that says ‘VACCINATED but still stay away from me,’” Blum said on Twitter.

Photos show another poster depicting Biden angrily holding a mallet with the initials of the Occupational Health and Safety Administration on it. "COMPLY" is used as a border. A third poster shows Fauci dressed as a priest holding a large vaccine with text saying, "TRUST THE SCIENTISM."

Biden is also portrayed sitting on a throne holding a large coronavirus molecule with the text "MANDATE! SEGREGATE! SUBJUGATE!" above his head.

I think the last one speaks volumes.

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@snoopydawg

are reminiscent of Emory Douglas', Back Panthers art. It's very effective, and hopefully will be replaced after being torn down by a vandal.

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@janis b
these posters are reminiscent of the russian scare.
How poignant.

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@Pricknick

Do you mean like these?

https://www.openculture.com/2014/11/the-red-menace-a-striking-gallery-of...

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@janis b I thought it looked like John McCain, and couldn't make the connection.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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@Bisbonian

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Additional context and nuance at Pierre Kory SubStack

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“We have a very small window in which we need to make a fundamental shift away from capitalism.” Kshama Sawant

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@ovals49

will it be enough to snuff the passport program?
people have been programmed to accept the Fauci
big brother response. Our best path is to stop the
mandate route and let the 'covidis common cold'
run its course. And reject this passport lie.

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@QMS

with whether the programming can be overcome. It's been hammered on and on.

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I don’t see how they can do it when even the CDC and Fauci have admitted that they don’t keep people from getting infected and spreading. I can’t verify this yet, but heard that Newsom is giving companies immunity from lawsuits if they do mandates. The hell with informed consent and our right to not have a medical procedure that we don’t want. If they can mandate them then hello slippery slope because it opens up Pandora’s box for whatever else they can force us to do.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/apple-tells-employees-they-have-four-w...

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in the US. What they are describing in your list should not be taken lightly.
There are a few weak conclusions, which may be dictated by the board of
directors, but for the most part their descriptions are right on. If only we
could separate the politics from the science, we may be able to formulate
a clear picture of what we are facing. Then make rational decisions.

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@ovals49

That's the way I've seen it since the S. Africa data became public.

The other issue which I find rarely mentioned is there are effective preventative measures and many effective treatments. No reason for all the hysterics now that we have a better understanding. Word will get out. Already is.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

I can't see boosters for what is very similar to a head cold.
The few people I know that had Omicron said they had a few symptoms for 2 days.
Honestly, you would not take off work or stay home from school with a common cold. Will we calm down? Will be be in some danger? I am looking for a "yes" answer to the first question, a "No" answer to the second.

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@on the cusp with regard to the Virus.

My Doom is reserved for the Mandates and Passport plans.

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@on the cusp

People don’t seem to get any advantage antibody wise from it. I don’t know what happens with their passports now that people don’t have to get jabbed every 6 months unless they still have to get ones that were from 3 viruses ago. So yeah hopefully passports have hit the brick wall. Fingers crossed.

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being markedly less pathogenic, and yet the CDC has made no adjustments whatsoever in its vaccine and booster recommendations for children, who already have a minuscule risk of serious disease or death, even from Delta.

WTF!

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“We have a very small window in which we need to make a fundamental shift away from capitalism.” Kshama Sawant

@ovals49 justify insisting on 2 jabs for 2 variants that do not seem to exist anymore, then a booster which doesn't have any effect or bearing on any variant then or now.
Not to mention, where is the dire necessity in the first place to "protect us" from a virus than is quite similar in symptoms to the common cold? They never gave a shit before.
I just want to delay the vax passports as long as possible.
What is happening in Australia needs to stay in Australia.
(That is one of the few countries I have never had any desire to travel. I won't miss it.)

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Chicago university is demanding boosters for every person who wants to be on campus.

Per the University of Chicago’s newly announced booster mandate, all students and employees must obtain a booster shot by January 24. Those who do not comply will be barred from campus and restricted from attending in-person classes, among other activities.

This booster mandate is demonstrably unsafe, ineffective, unnecessary, inconsistent, and unethical. We’ve struggled beneath UChicago’s draconian COVID decrees for years, but the university’s booster mandate reaches a new height of absurdity.

UChicago Demands We Submit to Experimental Shots

UChicago claims to rely upon “expert” opinion in structuring its COVID regime. Yet, even advisory committees at the FDA and CDC initially declined to recommend the COVID booster for those under the age 65.

The FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee made an official recommendation to approve Pfizer’s application for boosters only for those 65 and older and certain high-risk populations after rejecting, in a 16-2 vote, Pfizer’s application for broader approval for the general population. The committee cited a lack of data on potential adverse effects, particularly the risks of developing myocarditis and pericarditis.

However, the FDA chose to cast aside this concern and granted “approval” anyways. ​​But even this “approval” is itself questionable. The FDA only granted approval to Comirnaty, a legally distinct version of the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine that isn’t actually available in the United States. The version of the vaccine currently available in the US remains under Emergency Use Authorization, not formal approval.

Vaccine-induced heart issues merit legitimate concern, especially for young males. A recent Danish study found that “​​pharmacovigilance reports, health system surveillance studies, and case series suggest an association between SARS-CoV-2 vaccination and myocarditis and myopericarditis. This association is thought to occur particularly after the second booster dose of mRNA vaccines BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) and mRNA-1273 (Moderna).” An analysis published in the New England Journal of Medicine reached similar conclusions, particularly in males between the ages of 12 and 29.

Better then not at all, but those studies should have been done before they were given authorization to use them. No study was done to see if they are safe for pregnant women, but they are being told that they are. During the trial Pfizer warned men and women to use condoms when having sex…? I’m seeing people saying that there is a higher risk of heart problems for young men if they get Covid, but according to a few studies it’s actually higher in the vaxxed group. I’ll post them when I see them again.

COVID has a survival rate of over 99.87% for individuals under the age of 65.

According to the CDC, only 5% of “COVID deaths” are solely attributable to COVID as the cause. The other 95% of “COVID deaths” involve, on average, almost 4 additional conditions (comorbidities) or causes per death.

What’s 880,000 minus 5%? Remember I suck at math.

No, You Didn’t Misread: Doctors and Scientists Are Exempt (Read the Fine Print)

The Chicago Thinker recently confirmed that the university exempts University of Chicago Medical Center (UCMC) employees from the booster mandate, precisely because a significant number of doctors will resign if forced to get the jab. The university admitted to the Thinker that its UCMC exemption is an attempt to maintain medical staff, since presumably a significant number of UCMC’s 9,000-plus employees will resign if beholden to a booster mandate.

UChicago also exempts clinically active faculty and staff within its Biological Sciences Division (BSD) from its booster mandate, presumably for the same reason.

Read the rest of you are interested in the hypocrisy and unscientific reasons why students are being mandated to get jabbed while others don’t have to be.

I don’t understand how the Supremes could make everyone who works at hospitals that get CMS funding get jabbed with an experimental non vaccine that is under EAU. Until Pfizer and the other drug companies release their information on their vaccines no one is getting informed consent. After WW2 the winners put some of the losers on trial for crimes against humanity and the decision to not force people to have medical procedures against their will was codified into law. But here it is being broken over and over and not many seem to care.

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It’s good to see them not following blindly along with the rules that seem not only made up on the fly, but don’t make any sense. It’s not about their health safety, it’s about control and compliance which many here have pointed out from the beginning. The PTB rarely target the current generation, but the ones coming up afterwards. Anyone born after 9/11 rarely know that there was a time people spoke out when their rights were violated. And that the constitution wasn’t just a damn piece of paper.

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whether we can overcome both maladies. I know several Americans who report the same experience of omicron.

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@janis b a push to frighten people into a behavior when Omicron just isn't that big of a deal.
People go to work with colds every day. And students attend school. Like all viruses, this one mutated and dwindled in degree of resulting symptoms. From flu to cold. Two conditions we already have with no vax mandates, or mandatory quarantine.
I just can't understand it.
Anyway, you are good, I am good, and we are thinking clearly, asking reasonable questions about the hysteria that is in world-wide abundance.

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@on the cusp

I just wrote a friend that I’d wish people would turn off the fake news and think for themselves, or at least take a closer look around them and observe what’s productive and not.

Like you say, I really just don’t get it. There was already enough separation from tribal tendencies before covid, and now the magnitude of opposition is mind-blowing.

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@CB I hope I have time this evening to watch.

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I am certainly way too late here to say this. But I love her singing like you do. Thank You.

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We cant stay on the path we're on forever, as it will exhaust people's immune systems. Also chemicals released by flooding that occr in animal and human feces- and in very high volumes in factory farming and by flooding when aerosolized and blown by wind may well potentiate COVID infections by 10-20 times or more by "priming" a phenomenon discovered in the wake of Hurricane Ktrina when feces in dust made many people ill from the sewage plus mold. Students ciould not learn in schools affected by Katrina Brain. It uses up the body's self repair capability. (Ages them before their time) .; we may need to revaccinate less, do other things to improve immunity more! Get more sleep, eat more superfoods that improve immunity and eat more healthy natural substances. This needs to be less expensive not more! The country needs more natural foods and organic farming. Whats happening now is a genocide of the poor - its having that effect- (Dont let them patent Nature ! and natural substances that fight COVID. The drug industry are angry that many are resisting COVID by vaccination combined by healthy measures that they dont monopolize. Humans cant be allowed to take currently unpatentable natural substances that improve immunity. They want to PATENT them. And STEAL them. The world must say NO. many -dozens of substances inhibit the virus's replication. Without paying drug companies a kings ransom. Like their new anti-Covid drug that costs $600.

Journal of Virology (2011): "Vaccination Alters the Balance between Protective Immunity, Exhaustion, Escape, and Death in Chronic Infections" Abstract: While T cell-based vaccines have the potential to provide protection against chronic virus infections, they also have the potential to generate immunopathology following subsequent virus infection. We develop a mathematical model to investigate the conditions under which T cells lead to protection versus adverse pathology. The model illustrates how the balance between virus clearance and immune exhaustion may be disrupted when vaccination generates intermediate numbers of specific CD8 T cells. Surprisingly, our model suggests that this adverse effect of vaccination is largely unaffected by the generation of mutant viruses that evade T cell recognition and cannot be avoided by simply increasing the quality (affinity) or diversity of the T cell response. These findings should be taken into account when developing vaccines against persistent infections. See Full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3094965/

Keywords:T-cell exhaustion, immunosenescence, Vaccination

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Protocols, also the science has to be valid and the plan whatever it is has to make sense. It cannot be arbitrary and has to be curative. You are right, they cannot conduct experiments.

For example, having to "pass a bill to see what is in them", thats an experiment clear as day, so its not allowed.. They have to cure the sick, not perform experiments on them in fringe economics or whatever "science".

What if they start killing the poor because they claim their "life is not worth living" without the latest i-phone, or whatever.

There is no law that people must consume more or be replaced with others who do.

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They want too much for the current globalized economy. This is why they will have a very hard time even matching their parents standard of living. There is too mmuch competition who have better education in the developing countries who want to work in the US so much they will work for free. Our young people need to exel in more challenging fields, at better schools, stay in college longer, earn advanced degrees, and have the means to work for almost nothing, while still paying rent in cities, so they need perfect credit, co signers, etc. They need to be funded to pursue postdocs, internships etc, all costly screens they may have challenges attaining. , etc, for years. Only after they do that will they be able to get decent jobs. They may even need to pay bribes to the foreign contracting companies after getting jobs with them, to be placed in the US.

Or they might be able to find jobs in their fields in the poorer countries. They need experience, right? Use it or lose it.

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Also, Ive seen nothing that says a single, basic vaccination is harmful. Multiple booster shots maybe. That is unless a future strain is intentionally made to take advantage of ADE or "original antigenic sin" that would be terrifying. I think something like that happened in China in 2019. and was written about in the Moonie Times. (Epoch Times)

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Whoever made these poster is nuts for criticizing OSHA which was opposed so much by the GOP and neoliberal Presidents.

So much that no virtually chemicals have been regulated since the 1980s. They wont allow any needed regulation. Since the world was captured by corporations in the 90s. But they never told us. They stole the planet and didnt tell anybody. Really.

Thats why you should vote for something else. I would rather have most dogs than most politicians. A city in California, Gilroy had a dog mayor. Bosco. He is dead now but he is immortalized in a statue. I'd like to write him in. Dog spelled backwards is "God" you know.

Dog is my co pilot.

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