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‘The economy cannot stay open’: Omicron’s effects ricochet across US

Schools going virtual, airlines canceling flights, pharmacies and testing centers closing temporarily, shelves emptying in grocery stores because of transportation delays, blood donations dropping to crisis levels for the first time ever and the country’s hospitals are becoming stretched. This is the US in the grip of the Omicron variant.

Omicron may cause milder symptoms in some people, but its effects are ricocheting throughout America and creating some of the greatest challenges of the Covid-19 pandemic.

“We have supply shortages, we have transportation shortages, that are a result of people being out because of Covid, and especially Omicron being so infectious. And that is obviously limiting the workforce, and limiting the workforce is creating some of the havoc that we’re all experiencing,” said Ezekiel Emanuel, vice-provost at the University of Pennsylvania.

Joe Biden has vowed to keep businesses and schools open, but some experts wonder if that’s possible given the nature of Omicron and the lack of adequate measures to combat it.

“The economy cannot stay open and schools cannot stay open when so many people are getting sick,” said Margaret Thornton, an educational researcher at Princeton School of Public and International Affairs. “We must take action to slow the spread in order to keep schools running, to keep businesses running,” she said – but much of that action has been slow to happen.

Covid loses 90% of ability to infect within minutes in air – study

Coronavirus loses 90% of its ability to infect us within 20 minutes of becoming airborne – with most of the loss occurring within the first five minutes, the world’s first simulations of how the virus survives in exhaled air suggest.

The findings re-emphasise the importance of short-range Covid transmission, with physical distancing and mask-wearing likely to be the most effective means of preventing infection. Ventilation, though still worthwhile, is likely to have a lesser impact.

“People have been focused on poorly ventilated spaces and thinking about airborne transmission over metres or across a room. I’m not saying that doesn’t happen, but I think still the greatest risk of exposure is when you’re close to someone,” said Prof Jonathan Reid, director of the University of Bristol’s Aerosol Research Centre and the study’s lead author.

“When you move further away, not only is the aerosol diluted down, there’s also less infectious virus because the virus has lost infectivity [as a result of time].”

Until now, our assumptions about how long the virus survives in tiny airborne droplets have been based on studies that involved spraying virus into sealed vessels called Goldberg drums, which rotate to keep the droplets airborne. Using this method, US researchers found that infectious virus could still be detected after three hours. Yet such experiments do not accurately replicate what happens when we cough or breathe.

DEBUNKING Liberal Justice's OUTRAGEOUS Claims On Covid

Sanders, Khanna Demand Free Covid Tests for All Americans

As the Omicron variant overwhelms healthcare systems across the country, Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Ro Khanna are leading a call for the Biden administration to drastically expand its plans to distribute "one of the most effective tools the federal government has at its disposal"—rapid Covid-19 tests.

Sanders (I-Vt.), Khanna (D-Calif.), and Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) led more than 40 Democrats in the House and Senate in writing to the White House Sunday, urging officials "to take additional, immediate steps to eliminate existing barriers to Covid-19 rapid tests and ensure robust access to free over-the-counter rapid tests throughout the country for the duration of the pandemic."

Specifically, the lawmakers said, all Americans should have the ability to take at least one "surveillance" test per week, in keeping with the guidance of many public health experts—and the White House must immediately scale up test production to alleviate the nationwide shortage as well as removing financial barriers.

After initially scoffing last month at the idea of providing at-home tests to all Americans, as other wealthy countries have done, the Biden administration responded to intense pressure by announcing it would purchase 500 million rapid antigen tests and make them available to the public free of charge.

But the Omicron variant is spreading rapidly, with an average of 737,000 cases being reported per day in recent weeks, and with its "increased ability to spread to fully-vaccinated individuals," said the lawmakers, "far more testing capabilities are needed, and will be needed for the foreseeable future, as well as policies that ensure testing is easy, free, and accessible to everyone."

The variant has spread across the country amid a shortage of rapid tests driven by officials' and companies' failure to anticipate demand, according to some experts. When cases went down last spring, workers at Abbott Laboratories, the maker of the BinaxNOW rapid antigen test, were told to destroy the testing supplies and then laid off to save the company money—weeks before the Delta variant drove a new surge in cases.

The testing shortage has gotten so dire, the letter stated, that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) latest guidance advising people to isolate for five days after testing positive says the "'best approach' is to conduct a rapid test toward the end of the five-day isolation period '[i]f an individual has access to a test and wants to test.'"

"The language used in the public health guidance from the administration itself is indicative of the significant barriers individuals face when trying to access or purchase Covid-19 rapid tests," wrote the lawmakers.

Sanders, Khanna, and their colleagues applauded President Joe Biden's recent commitment to using the Defense Production Act to scale up manufacturing of tests.

Suddenly Liberals Are Mocking the CDC

US supreme court blocks Biden’s workplace vaccine-or-test rules

The supreme court on Thursday blocked the Biden administration from enforcing a requirement that employees at large businesses be vaccinated against Covid-19 or undergo weekly testing and wear a mask on the job.

At the same time, the court is allowing the administration to proceed with a vaccine mandate for most healthcare workers in the US.

The court’s conservative majority concluded the administration overstepped its authority by seeking to impose the Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s (Osha) vaccine-or-test rule on US businesses with at least 100 employees. More than 80 million people would have been affected.

“Osha has never before imposed such a mandate. Nor has Congress. Indeed, although Congress has enacted significant legislation addressing the Covid-19 pandemic, it has declined to enact any measure similar to what Osha has promulgated here,” the conservatives wrote in an unsigned opinion.

In dissent, the court’s three liberals argued that it was the court that was overreaching by substituting its judgment for that of health experts. “Acting outside of its competence and without legal basis, the court displaces the judgments of the government officials given the responsibility to respond to workplace health emergencies,” Justices Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor wrote in a joint dissent.

COVID-19: Quebec seeks to tax unvaccinated as Omicron hits

Also of interest:

Massachusetts Mask Debacle: State Fails its Elementary and Secondary School Teachers

Kim Iversen: Spain & Israel Finally GIVE UP Containing Covid. Mom Locks Son In Trunk To Avoid Covid.

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Episode 4: Vaccine Unknowns:
The Greatest Human Experiment Ever
https://vsecretscc.com/episodes-4-live/?mpweb=1603-504-831629
also at the link...
Vaccine Secrets: Reloaded - Bonus Episode 4:
1984: Lies Are the New Truth
With Dr. Rashid Buttar & Dr. Brian Hooker

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@Lookout

I'm sure that video is chock full of great "science"!

Dr. Rashid Buttar....The son of Pakistani parents,[8] Buttar was born in London in 1966. He immigrated with his parents to the U.S. at the age of 9 and grew up in rural Rosebud, Missouri. He attended Washington University, graduating with a bachelor's degree in biology and religion, and then earned a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine degree from University of Osteopathic Medicine and Health Sciences in Des Moines, Iowa.

Buttar claims to be board certified by several entities,[9] all of which are listed as "questionable organizations" by Quackwatch including the American Academy of Preventative Medicine, American Academy of Integrative Medicine, and American College for Advancement in Medicine; the latter's primary purpose being the promotion of chelation therapy.[10]

In 1998, Buttar launched and served as medical director for Medical Spa and Rejuvenation Center, a provider of massage services, in Huntersville, North Carolina.[11]

In 2007, Buttar was brought before the North Carolina Board of Medical Examiners, accused of unprofessional conduct for providing ineffectual therapies to four cancer patients. Three of those patients later died.[12][13][14] Following public hearings in 2008, the panel recommended that Buttar's license "be suspended indefinitely" and that he be prohibited from treating children or patients with cancer, but stayed the decision, ultimately giving Buttar a formal reprimand in 2010 while allowing him to continue to practice.[15][3][16]

Buttar has been criticized for his use of chelation therapies,[2] such as topical cream containing chelators to treat children with autism, and for his use of intravenous hydrogen peroxide and EDTA to treat cancer.[5][17] .......He made many other false claims, such as that 5G cell phone networks and "chemtrails" cause COVID-19.[13][27][28] ....Buttar promotes anti-vaccination videos sold by Ty and Charlene Bollinger and receives a commission whenever his referrals result in a sale, a practice known as affiliate marketing.[29]"

Dr. Brian Hooker- "In 2014, Hooker published a paper titled "Measles-mumps-rubella vaccination timing and autism among young African American boys: a reanalysis of CDC data" in the journal Translational Neurodegeneration.[9] The paper alleges that the 2004 study showed a statistically significant correlation between autism and the MMR vaccine among African-American boys.[9] Later, the journal retracted the paper for scientific misconduct, saying that Hooker had not disclosed important conflicts of interest and that there were "concerns about the validity of the methods and statistical analysis".[10] Hooker was a board member of an anti-vaccine group who had provided funding for the study.[11] Hooker claimed he was censored in an article published by The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.[12] The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is owned by The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons,[13] which has been characterized as a pseudoscientific group.[14]"

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@Fishtroller 02 More grifters looking for attention and/or big bucks. I appreciate your drilling down on this.

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@Fishtroller 02
Two can play your game. Who funds Stephen Barrett and what motivates him to produce articles in Quackwatch?

Stephen Barrett (Quackwatch)

Retired psychiatrist and author of Quackwatch, a mission to slam holistic medicine and call it all “quack” medicine, has been officially declared by the US Court System to be “Biased, and unworthy of credibility.” Stephen Joel Barrett, born in 1933, also co-founded the NCAHF – National Council Against Health Fraud, which, again, is a front group that attacks natural medicine, such as Chiropractic, Homeopathic (3), Acupuncture, Massage Therapy, and even Hair Analysis, all that have proven track records and now scientific PROOF of safety and efficacy, unlike most allopathic chemical prescriptions or chemotherapies. Everything Barrett writes he claims is in the realms of “consumer protection” and “medical ethics” and calling out “scientific skepticism,” but his true intentions have all been revealed already, by his own mission statement:

In a lawsuit in Canada Barrett admitted to the following: (1)

“The sole purpose of the activities of Barrett & Baratz are to discredit and cause damage and harm to health care practitioners, businesses that make alternative health therapies or products available, and advocates of non-allopathic therapies and health freedom.”
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Barrett is an “advisor” and “fellow” at propaganda organizations ACSH and CSI, two major fronts for the biotech industry and their toxic GMO

ACSH, American Council on Science and Health, was founded with funding from the junk food and tobacco industries, so don’t let the dime-store name fool you for one second. Before launching ACSH, Elizabeth Whelan wrote books promoting chemicals and additives in food, and the book jacket cover to “Panic in the Pantry” said, “Eat your additives, they’re good for you.” By the early 1980s, ACSH’s donors included Dow, Monsanto, Mobil Foundation, Chevron and Bethlehem Steel. In 1984, ACSH helped Georgia-Pacific, a leading formaldehyde maker, get a court ruling overturned that would have banned formaldehyde insulation. Much like the AMA, the American Medical Association, ACSH hires known criminals to “run the show.” The current executive director and acting president of ACSH, Dr. Gilbert Ross, had his license to practice medicine revoked in 1995 for personal misconduct and was sentenced to three-plus years in prison and was ordered to pay restitution for scheming and defrauding New York’s Medicaid program. This is where Barrett serves as an “advisor” currently, where the “junk science” council reigns on, and where the original founder, Elizabeth Whelan, the “Junk Food Queen,” is an infamous legend–for her defense of companies that make products with low or no nutritional value at all, and that contain known carcinogens.
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@CB

Once again a marvelous takedown of the big pharma hit men who are actually working against our health. That he attacks chiropractic and acupuncture shows that he has an agenda. For most of my life I heard that chiropractors were frauds and I even said that when my friend asked me to try her chiropractor. I had a treatment and couldn’t believe how freely I walked that night. I have an instability that causes my right leg to be longer which of course causes pain and muscle cramps, but adjustments keep me stable. Just proves again the power of propaganda. I’m trying to find an acupuncturist so I can get off the damn pain meds.

Doesn’t anyone wonder how humans survived before big pharma started pushing pills on us for every malady? Natural cures of course. But after Rockefeller created the WHO they pushed pills over natural treatment and our health has suffered for it. Hence the increasing commercials for bad drug lawsuits. Since then and since St Fauci has been at the helm Americans health has gotten worse every year. We rank worse than many 3rd world countries. And yet we put up with it. Even allow our representatives to deny us health care while they get the best coverage possible. Including doctors that make House calls. Not just unhealthy, but too damn tolerant of government.

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@Lookout
I hope I am not the only one in this immense town who knows amd cares about your independent thought and straightforward writing here.
But at least I'm one and am also grateful to JtC and all the others I can't name for a home.

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@Creosote.

I've changed my views as evidence emerges. I try to share those understandings.

Those that don't recognize the power grab aren't looking. COVID has been a tool for TPTB.

Thanks again for the vote of confidence.

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the prison for having been given Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid, I find it odd that nowhere in State Media did it mention that it was "successfully used" none of the inmates died
imagine that.

As a matter of fact the article states that 254 prisoners were given IVM but it doesn't qualify whether or not any of them died or did all of them live?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/arkansas-jail-ivermectin-covid-19-lawsuit...

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@ggersh

"success(ful)" absent a presumption that they would have otherwise died. Generally, such a presumption is not capable of proof, and in this case is contradicted by the evidence insofar as a great many who were not given ivermectin have lived.

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Why don't we go to the source of this story? It appears that the doctor who was prescribing ivermectin was doing so to ex-prisoners who had contracted COVID while in jail??? It appears that they had been given informed consent.

Anti-parasite drug used on Arkansas jail’s inmates for COVID
August 25, 2021

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Inmates at a northwest Arkansas jail have been prescribed ivermectin to combat COVID-19, despite warnings from federal health officials that the antiparasitic drug should not be used to treat the coronavirus.

Washington County’s sheriff confirmed Tuesday night that the jail’s health provider had been prescribing the drug. Sheriff Tim Helder didn’t say how many inmates at the 710-bed facility had been given ivermectin and defended the health provider the jail uses that has been prescribing the medication.

“Whatever a doctor prescribes, that is not in my bailiwick,” Helder told members of the Washington County quorum court, the county’s governing body. Helder did not immediately respond to a call from The Associated Press, and a spokesperson for the sheriff’s office referred questions to Karas Correctional Health, the jail’s health provider.
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In a video posted on his Facebook page, Dr. Rob Karas said ivermectin is one of nine medications he’s prescribed for COVID-19 to inmates at the jail and has been administering there since October. Karas said no inmates are forced to take the medication and they can refuse it.

Karas said the jail has had 531 virus cases and zero deaths and only one inmate hospitalized. In a Facebook post, Karas said 67% of the jail’s inmates have been vaccinated against the virus.
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“Do you want us to try and fight like we’re at the beaches of Normandy or do you want me to tell what a lot of people do, which is go home and ride it out and go to the ER when your lips turn blue?” Karas said.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas criticized the drug being prescribed to inmates, citing the FDA’s warnings about the drug. The group said it was seeking additional records about the drug’s use from the sheriff’s office and from the health provider.

“They need to stop this practice immediately,” ACLU of Arkansas Executive Director Holly Dickson said.

None of the jail’s inmates administered ivermectin were state prisoners being held by the facility, the state Department of Corrections said. The department and its medical services provider are not providing ivermectin to any of its inmates, spokeswoman Cindy Murphy said.

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- considerably lower - of hospitalization and death than I've seen quoted for the general population.

And unlike the vax - no one was forced to take it and informed consent was at least *possible* which it cannot be for the experimental mRNA therapies.

I'd say the main takeaway is that the ACLU has completely lost it, as if we needed further evidence of that.

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@enhydra lutris I can't imagine what hoops they would've gone thru in calling out Ivermectin as the culprit....YMMV

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A Louisville nephrologist is cautioning people against a gone viral claim that one can drink one's own urine to protect against Covid...

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2022/01/12/louisville-k...

So if you see anything posted by Christopher Key or from his website "Vaccine Police", avoid it. I looked at the site and unfortunately have seen claims from that site posted on here.

https://www.al.com/news/2022/01/urine-cures-covid-christopher-key-recent...

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@Fishtroller 02

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@CB

Just a guess.

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be well and have a good one

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aren't being characterized as "shit". The article on the issue of drinking urine as a cure for Covid was reported in my local paper because the whole conversation involved a U of L nephrologist who was trying to stop a gone viral post from a bad source.

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"Polite Discussion". Impugning the motives of others, or even assigning motives to others without some sort of admission seems to me to stretch the definition of "polite discussion".

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it was for "discussion of all things Covid". It seems to me that claims of putative cures, especially ones that have gone viral, as well as challenges to such claims would qualify.

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@enhydra lutris
was because of its stupidity.

For your information I am not an anti-vaxxer and know of no one in The Dose that is.

What many of us here are against is this particular gene based "therapy" are the FACT that it was tested using double blind placebo groups for less than a year. The manufacturers had also aborted the standard animal trials and went straight to human "tests". The 2nd shots and subsequent boosters have NEVER been adequately tested before roll-out. We have become the test animals.

I would prefer to have discussions on the therapy's efficacy and safety profile. Unfortunately, the person I was replying to continually falls back and uses ad hominem attacks and straw man logical fallacies when her arguments collapse.

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It’s loaded with information on the vaccines and the problems they are causing now and might cause in a few years. I enjoyed other essays on his site. He doesn’t mince words. Medical bounties were paid for deaths, but not for keeping people alive.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243442

He really highlights this.

What many of us here are against is this particular gene based "therapy" are the FACT that it was tested using double blind placebo groups for less than a year. The manufacturers had also aborted the standard animal trials and went straight to human "tests".

It was criminal that they unblinded the control group. They should be doing tests on them again after they’ve been out for 2 years.

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@snoopydawg
It confirms what I wrote several days ago: https://caucus99percent.com/comment/556424#comment-556424

Unfortunately, as my above post shows, w/o a placebo group pharmaceutical companies can hide the negative effects of the therapy with infection by SARS-CoV-2 - BECAUSE THEY CAN BOTH CAUSE SIMILAR DAMAGE. Again to cover it up they need everyone vaccinated ASAP so as to leave as little placebo group as possible.

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@CB Do you consider Robert Kennedy Jr. or Andrew Wakefield anti-vaxxers??

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@peachcreek

but I don’t think either of them are. Malone has been vaxxed for Covid and Kennedy has said that he is not anti vax and has gotten his childhood vaccines as well as have his children. Kennedy is against the fact that since Fauci was appointed and the vaccine numbers have gone up yearly it seems that more people have gotten lots of health problems from them. Things like autoimmune diseases, food allergies and neurological damages since then. He points out that there are no safety tests for them.

If you are interested in learning more about vaccine injuries you can watch this video where around 50 minutes a pediatrician shows how much difference there is in kids who have been vaccinated for childhood diseases and those who have not. There is a dramatic difference between the 2 groups.

https://vsecretscc.com/episodes-5-live/

If you have time I recommend watching all of the video on vaccines in women and kids. You can decide the creditability of the people on them. Who knows maybe they are actors playing doctors, but if their information can be verified, wowzer. Kennedy was also on Tucker Carlson that I found interesting. If you want the link let me know.

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@snoopydawg But it was Wakefield that I was curious about, not Malone. It's pretty clear to me that Malone is not antivax overall.

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I think the same thing holds for Wakefield. He’s not actually anti vax, but there are problems with vaccines. It’s late but it’s something I’ve read about him.

Still hope you will look at the videos. I’ll look for my info on Wakefield tomorrow. Or later today?

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last week holding a short letter including links to this site and this series. I used paper for confidentiality, and because he'd told me earlier that he was passionate about supporting people's freedom to choose the time of their death.
I am glad that you are here too.

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of the column, nor is it intended to be limited to that. Before we had the Dose, I seem to recall discussions in the wider arena about the "Go Drink Bleach" proposed cure and nobody complained that such commentary was not restricted to vaccine efficacy and safety.

I would prefer to have discussions on the therapy's efficacy and safety profile.

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@CB

specific website is indeed an instance of the genetic fallacy, and/or more particularly ad hominem as to the owner/author. OTOH, it is also an arguably legitimate resort to "consider the source", which, though fallacious from a purely deductive standpoint is still procedurally legitimate from an empirical perspective.

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Drinking (some) of ones own urine is a therapeutic practice that has been around for a long time.

Probably the best known practitioner was former Indian Prime Minister Moraji Desai. Apparently, it didn't kill him, he lived to be 99.

Response on Quora to a question about Desai and AUT:

Amruth Maliakal David, lives in Ernakulam, Kerala, India
Answered 6 years ago · Author has 56 answers and 107.6K answer views

Urine is not a waste. It is an Ultra filtrate of blood plasma. It acts as a feedback mechanism for our body. I started researching about this topic when I found that 2 of my grandfather's first cousins who used to drink their own urine lived well till 100 years of age. I read that Urine therapy is an effective scientific (based on Quantum mechanics view of body) treatment for almost all diseases. Current medical science is still based on an obsolete atomic model as explained in the book What Doctors Don't Get To Study At The Medical School.

World famous doctors like B.M Hegde (Harvard educated cardiologist and former VC of Manipal University. He got Padma Bhushan in 2010), Dr. Shashi Patil (Health advisor of former Indian PM Morarji Desai. He devised specialized integrated AUT treatments for almost all types of incurable diseases) and P. K. Warrier ( Chief Physician and Managing trustee of Arya Vaidya Sala) had been treating patients with this technique for years. People of the village of Amarpur in Madhya Pradesh, strictly follow the habit of Morarji Desai who lived till 99 years. From last 20 years, every person of this village with a population of 7 lakh consumes own urine as reported by Daily Bhaskar.

B.M Hegde says that profit minded pharmaceutical industry is suppressing urine therapy as it cannot be patented and sold. We should not forget the fact that death rates went down when doctors went on strike in Israel! Majority of doctors who ridicule it are profit minded. How can doctors promote a therapy (which cures all diseases) which will make them jobless!!!

Cow and camel urine are also used for their antiseptic qualities in various cultures. Cattle herding tribes such as the Dinka in South Sudan wash babies and their own bodies in cattle urine, for example.

Whether this is specifically effective against Covid has probably not and never will (as long as Big Pharma controls the planet) be the subject of randomized trials.

However...

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said that he would never advise that people drink their own urine for any reason. However, his concern was the claim that it would alleviate or prevent the Covid virus.

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instead of what it is doing

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2022/01/debt-rattle-january-14-2022/

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@ggersh

or have natural immunity while letting triple jabbed infected nurses work anyway. This should be the wake up call for those who think vaccines are going to end the epidemic to question what the fck is going on? I’ve seen comments that say people don’t want an unjabbed nurse working on them because they don’t want them infecting them believing that every person who is unjabbed is carrying the virus. How they can’t see that’s very close to what people thought about Jews and ‘others' throughout history that led to horrific crimes is beyond me.

A nurse from SF said that 70% if people in hospital who have Covid were in for other issues and that the reason that hospital is overwhelmed is because of staffing issues. It’s in the link you posted the other day. It’s happening all over the world. Our health care system is being deliberately crashed as are many other industries. It’s an international hollowing out of the American work force so companies can bring in foreign workers. Zed has been writing about this since he arrived here. Government set this in motion long ago and it’s right there in plain view that it’s happening now. NYC new governor actually said that she was declaring a state of emergency so she could do it. Americans are being fired so foreigners can take their jobs.

Meanwhile Blackstone will swoop in and take people’s houses because they can’t afford them anymore. Just like they have every time they have futzed up the economy.

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OK- most of them are corny, but, hey - it's Friday!

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in the vax. It’s very detailed on why they can’t create immunity.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243442

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One of Trump's first actions when *****-19 hit was to (1) immunize any health care provider for their failures, including refusal to treat and (2) direct CMS to pay "bounties" for anyone on Medicare who went into the hospital for ***** ($13,000 per person) and if they were ventilated then the bounty rose to $39,000. This, despite knowing at the time that ventilators were nearly worthless; before that order was issued we knew 95% of the people in Wuhan that were put on vents died anyway. In other words CMS issued an order offering to pay for shoving a tube down your throat that nearly always killed you instead of incentivizing hospitals and physicians to find ways to keep you from dying.

The hospitals, of course, complied with the money making path forward and 100,000 people died in those first few months as a direct consequence.

We later discovered why vents were worthless with this disease; the reason you were choking to death was that your blood was clotting in the lungs. Forcing more oxygen into the lungs does nothing if there is no effective circulation. Even after this discovery, which was conclusively known by summer, the bounties remained in place. Becerra, Biden's HHS secretary, has not rescinded them.

In other words even once we knew not only that vents did not work but why, which was all known by June of 2020, HHS maintained and continues to this day to pay hospitals to shove a tube down your throat and kill you. A sane policy would have paid only for success and let doctors figure out what works, aligning the money with outcomes.

Blocking people from using early treatment wildly inflated those hospital payments. If you never go to the hospital then said hospital doesn't get their ***** bonus, do they? That right there is enough reason for the corporate medical networks to ban their doctors from writing prescriptions for Budesonide, HCQ and Ivermectin, among others despite off-label use being entirely legal; indeed, about one prescription in five is written off-label! These corporate monsters own and run the hospitals and have been buying up the doctors' practices for decades; a sick person who does not get admitted makes them nothing and the drugs cost about $10!

Another way to transfer money upwards. There was no sane reason to put infected people in nursing homes in NYC when there was the navy ship sitting empty as well as many hotels because the city was closed down. No one has ever explained why that decision was made.

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them to be paid what thy deserve to make here. The thing that is driving the push to globalize the 80% of all jobs that involve services is the lower wages elsewhere. Oligarchs are demanding the ability to use their lowest paid workrs anywhere they operate, that all. This would give foreign corporations a tremendous advantage, which is what they claim they were promised in the runup to the Uruguay Round.

Can they do that? Its up to the WTO. Its quite possible they will. Imagine how easy it will be to start businesses if workers only cost two dollars or so a day. There are millions of workers who even with low pay will indeed jump at the chance to work here, just for the experience.

I think that unfair to them, even if they come from very poor countries they deserve to make the going rate, whatever it is. Thats what people decide to work for, not what the law says. It could be $100 an hour (which is what real high skill workers in computing fields might average. But the workers who worked ion the well known Boeing 737 redo made slightly above $9.25 an hour, less than 1/10 of that.

There are all sorts of jobs that require high skills and are very stressful, But they deserve good wages.

But making workers trade places in order to lower their wages, deprives millions of children of parents and adults of wives and husbands. People need companionship too. Where will the human race of tomorrow come from if the oligarchs force the entire human race to live apart from their spouses in order to get cheaper labor out of people in a form of labor status limbo? It should be illegal, to manipulate society in order to create a class of second class citizens whose very presence in a country depends totally on corporate employment of a multinational. But the big companies want that really badly, they claim that the US's minimum wage is form of discrimination targeting them and having a goal of keeping them and their businesses out. They claim that being forced to pay "US legal" wages merely to operate here illegally makes it impossible for them and deprives them of their rights. They insist US wages are discriminatory and are "unsustainable", for them to pay. Therefore the WTO may demand we eliminate the minimum wage laws. If they do, we'll have to do it.

Also, if all sorts of unfamilliar contagious illnesses become endemic, perhaps due to global warming, and diseases traveling around the globe when Diwali, Lunar New Year, etc, moblize hundreds of millions of workers, how will we control the spread without heartbreaking families and forcing them to liquidate all their belongings at a pittance and going home. That reminds me of Hitler forcing millions of Jews to sell everything on pennies on the dollar and leave. I guess this begs the question of has the world outgrown borders? Should people just live where they do because of cost, and not national citizenship? Many people feel so. They resent it that they cannot buy property anywhere in the world. Displacing poorer people from the nice weathered areas, The cost of heating would be prohibitive for the poor in much of the world. Right now the fat that heating is inexpensive in many parts of the world allows wages to be much longer there. But the sun is a subsidy, of sorts, like any fuel subsidy. Without the sun, the atmosphere and all our water might freeze, making Earth uninhabitably cold. It would become unliveable without its air and oxygen to breathe is essential for our form of life. Additionally, where would the Earth go? Its held in one place by the Sun's gravitational force. We would be cut adrift in space. Or should I say, lost in space.

Needless to say humanity's demise would be counterproductive, destroying industry's entire low wage business model.

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Vaccine Unknowns: The Greatest Human Experiment Ever

Vaccine Secrets: Reloaded - Bonus Episode 4:
1984: Lies Are the New Truth
With Dr. Rashid Buttar & Dr. Brian Hooker

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I posted 5 below. But they are letting people catch up with the previous ones too. 5 is blowing my mind. The information I’ve posted is too.

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Episode 5: Vaccine Risks: Harm to Women and Children

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If what they are seeing is true then people must know about it. Like I said below there are enough warning signs already that people should be asking questions, but I’m not sure if they are aware of it or paying any attention to what is happening.

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MultiCare hospitals order symptomatic COVID-positive staff to see patients

MultiCare Health Systems is ordering symptomatic, COVID-positive staff to work at its area hospitals, the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH has learned. Officials with the organization initially refused to comment.

According to an internal memo dated Jan. 6, MultiCare hospitals have moved into “crisis levels of staffing.” The impetus for the move was the rise in hospital visits, though not all due to COVID.

Consequently, the hospitals modified their return-to-work process, ordering staff “to work even if they are experiencing mild symptoms but are improving.” But a MultiCare staffer claimed that unless a staffer has a fever, “they want us coming in.” COVID-positive staffers are not required to disclose their status to patients or coworkers.

I’ve read that people don’t want unjabbed nurses working on them because they think they will get infected from them so I can imagine what they’d think of an infected jabbed nurse working on them.

The hospital wouldn’t disclose how many unjabbed nurses they fired. Seems like that will just expose more people to the virus.

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2women doctors talk about the vaccine adverse effects and the 2nd one talks about what is happening to women. You can watch them and make up your mind on whether they are credible.

https://vsecretscc.com/episodes-5-live/

VAERS alone should get the vaccine program stopped until more trials are done and people get answers for the cases reported. Instead it’s all being ignored. Just the fact that case numbers have exploded with omicron should have people questioning what good was it to take 3 jabs and we have more cases than ever since this started. Why aren’t more people concerned about that? I seriously don’t get why people aren’t.

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are beginning to be talked about in the MSM so its useful to be literate about them.

Here are some links of recent science. In short, we cant go on like we have been doing, Under the current circumstances, Its unwise. The body imprints on the first vaccine of a type, like coronavirus, so if it may cause "original antigenic sin" with later strains, people MAY get the later strains in a more virulent way, because they took the earliest vaccine. This sometimes happens and its why vaccine manufacturfacturing is not as big a thing as it used to be, in the last few decades. Up until now.

Frontiers in Immunology
. 2020 Jun 5;11:1120. doi: 10.3389/fimmu.2020.01120. eCollection 2020.
Antibody Dependent Enhancement Due to Original Antigenic Sin and the Development of SARS

Walter Fierz 1 , Brigitte Walz

PMID: 32582200 PMCID: PMC7291596 DOI: 10.3389/fimmu.2020.01120
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32582200/

Free full text article at PMC link

Medical Hypotheses. 2020 Sep; 142: 109824.
Published online 2020 May 7. doi: 10.1016/j.mehy.2020.109824
PMCID: PMC7204740
PMID: 32408068
What about the original antigenic sin of the humans versus SARS-CoV-2?
Luca Roncati⁎ and Beniamino Palmieri

Full text PMC link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7204740/

Full text PDF: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7204740/pdf/main.pdf

Related RECENT papers link: (ones that cite the above large comprehensive article.) (Recommended!)

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"Original antigenic sin" Another is "antibody dependent enhancement". (ADE) search on those two terms.

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OAS, its a very specific problem thats caused by rushing a vaccine to market, and itbeing based on a strain that is not close enough to the ones that ends up dominating an epidemic. Expets are not saying that that has happened, either. It seems they are afraid that repeated vaccination may leave people les agle to resist severe disease than had they just been vaccinated and not boosted.

I think the US government is worried more about the business impacts of the epidemic (people staying home or nt buyig things) than it is about people getting sick in a way that makes them particularly vulnerable.

Maybe they are under a lot of pressure to do anything that gets them buying things as they did before the epidemic, when they probably are not and are unlikely to be convinced to be.

Anyway, the medical literature is starting to publish a lot of doubts about the wisdom of repeated booster vaccinations and the risk of OAS and ADE if they continue to demand people repeatedly take booster shots (as they are in Europe) Maybe they are seeking to use COVID to push Europeans into the corporate state/cashless digital totalitarianism? Thats what the US payment companies want. Then they get a cut of every transaction and also get a lot of payments from the Deep State for serving up digital data on people they are watching. That has always been a big part of their business model. Yes, social networks support themselves by spying on people who use them They are not free.

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with terminal diseases only receiving palliative care , when their benefits run out. In the US, a very large number of poor people whoget cancer dont seek care for these cancers until after various therapies are deemed as helping them, in other woprds, the insurance companies basically get to give up on curing them if they delay treatment klong enough. Then they are able to say, Treatment wont help them, and they only pay for whatsknown as hospice care for a limited time. Basically they pay for them to be given pain relief when they are dying. The whole system seems designed top let the insurance companies get away with this. Poor people are always trying to sve money - its the only way we survive, but in the case where they may have cancer thats a bad thing. The insurers also do their best to make getting diagnostic testing and imaging expensive and unavailable. This is so they can "prevent care" As I said, if they delay care long enough they can avoid it, and just let sick people die (note, I am talking about cancers which are rising rapidly, probably due to endocrine disrupting chemicals in the environment, not coronavirus, ) Diet may also be a reason why poor people seem to be getting coronavirus more than the wealthy. Another reason is cramped living conditions, lack of ventilation in both homes and workplaces due to energy costs, end communities where fresh produce is impossible to find or unusually expensive.

The combined effect of all this impacts the health of the poor - its clear. Another factor is likely air pollution. Areas with highPM 2.5 and NO pollution rates invariably have high rates of COVID and COVID deaths.

Frankly, this is what defines a genocidal situation, things like this. They add up to a crime against humanity when they have such a bad impacts on some communities and not others in such a disproportionate way, in my opinion.

Laws should for example, require all workplaces install powered ventilation systems with heat exchangers so fresh air is constantlybeing brought in according to ASHRAE standards. Sure, it will cost money to ventilate in the winter, but not doing it will result in lots of COVID deaths, and that will lead to people leaving jobs in businesses that dont ventilate enough. This should be allowed without losing unemployment benefits. In other words, if they dont ventilate they should be seen as "firing" employees without just cause and liable for paying unemployment to them. IN otherwords, if they quit a unventilated workplace, they should not be deemed as having quit a "perfectly good job" Also failure to ventilate and slso maintain adequate levels of warmth (heat) while ventilating (Say 65 degrees F) should be against the law. especially if any workplace policy or dres code / regulation forbids employees wearing sweaters or coats in the winter as some do)

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