The Dose - 12-03-21

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Federal Judge Rejects DOD Claim That Pfizer EUA and Comirnaty Vaccines Are ‘Interchangeable’
A federal district court judge rejected a claim by the U.S. Department of Defense that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine being administered under Emergency Use Authorization is interchangeable with Pfizer’s fully licensed Comirnaty vaccine.

A federal district court judge has rejected a claim by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine being administered under Emergency Use Authorization is interchangeable with Pfizer’s Comirnaty vaccine, which in August was fully licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

In an order issued Nov. 12 in Doe et al. v. Austin, U.S. Federal District Judge Allen Winsor of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida denied a preliminary injunction requested by 16 service members against the U.S. Military’s COVID vaccine mandate. A hearing is scheduled for Sept. 14, 2022.

However, the judge’s acknowledgment that “the DOD cannot mandate vaccines that only have an EUA” is significant for two reasons.

One reason pertains to the difference in ingredients and manufacturing process between Pfizer’s EUA vaccine and the approved Comirnaty vaccine, and the other pertains to the legal difference between a fully licensed vaccine and an EUA vaccine.

To fight Omicron, Biden sets new travel rules and adds free COVID tests
WASHINGTON, Dec 2 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden on Thursday laid out his strategy to fight the Omicron and Delta coronavirus variants over the winter, including free and insurer-funded at-home COVID-19 testing and new requirements for international travelers.

The U.S. government will require private health insurers to reimburse their 150 million customers for the cost of over-the-counter, at-home COVID-19 tests, administration officials said, and make 50 million tests available free through rural clinics and health centers for the uninsured.

Reimbursement for tests will not kick in, however, until January, missing the crucial holiday period when many families and groups gather indoors.

"We're going to fight this variant with science and speed, not chaos and confusion," Biden said at the National Institutes of Health in Maryland, while warning that infections will rise this winter.

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Who gives a spit!

Unvaccinated MTA workers will need to scan QR codes and then leave tubed spit samples at drop boxes installed at token booths in the subway.

New York Daily News--Wednesday, December 3, 2021

By Clayton Guse news transit reporter

"Unvaccinated MTA workers’ spit is the key to the agency’s $100 million plan to test them weekly for COVID-19."

The testing program is run by Mount Sinai Health System — and a cartoon-like guide distributed by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority and obtained by the Daily News tells workers how to participate.

The guide shows a smiling man dribbling saliva into a tube, which unvaccinated workers must fill with at least 2 milliliters of spit for the tests to work.

“Do not reopen the tube and try to add more saliva,” the guide explains, adding that workers must refrain from eating, drinking, smoking, chewing gum, brushing their teeth, flossing or using mouth wash for at least an hour before they spit in the tubes."

Once the workers muster enough spit, the must seal the tubes tight, go to a drop box fastened on the sides of token booths in subway stations or at other MTA workplaces, scan a QR code on the box, scan another code on the test tube and put their saliva sample into the receptacle, the guide states.

The tubes will then be collected by a vendor and transported to a lab for testing, said a Mount Sinai spokeswoman.
MTA representatives declined to answer questions as to what happens if unvaccinated workers don’t put enough spit in the tubes or decline to submit samples each week.

Transit officials have for months said they won’t implement a vaccine mandate for workers because it would worsen a crew shortage and cripple subway, bus and railroad service.
Nearly 30% of the MTA’s 66,500 employees — about 20,000 people — have not yet submitted proof of their vaccinations.

Since Oct. 4, those without proof of their shots have been required to instead provide weekly proof of a negative COVID-19 test — but over the last two months MTA officials have only checked the results from a fraction of unvaccinated employees.

Now transit officials aim to verify weekly tests from every unvaccinated worker and will streamline the process through the spit boxes, which are also available for vaccinated workers who want an easy test.

“Mount Sinai Health System is honored to be collaborating with MTA to enhance the safety of their essential workforce with frequent and highly accurate COVID PCR saliva testing,” said Dr. David Reich, president of Mount Sinai Hospital.
“Our shared development of this unique, accurate and highly convenient testing platform leverages the talents of both organizations.”

Are They Insane?? A City where 50,000 people are homeless will spend $100 million testing workers who resist an untested, ineffective drug?

This is all getting worse by the day.

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to determine the person is correctly identified with a portion of the spit used to match biometric genetic markers along with the sample. This will ensure ID and could also used to test quality and quantity of available DNA/RNA in sample to prove the person didn't rinse their throat/mouth before submitting sample.

Brave New World indeed. Biometric photo REAL ID's for driver's licenses and passports will become mandatory on May 3, 2023 to board domestic flights and access certain federal facilities. You can be certain this will be married to the COVID-19 vaccinations and required tests. The last frontier will be digital currencies to ensure compliance with society's rules government edicts - just like the Chinese social control currently in use. In fact this was/is the real end game of this plandemic.

By instilling fear and uncertainty you can lead the sheeple wherever you want - even into the killing pen.

For your edification, the US has many MORE cameras per capita than China thanks to the ubiquitous Alexa and Ring cameras. BTW, face recognition software now works even with medical masks.

It's only a matter of time. I give it by 2025 - at most 2030 - to be in accordance with The Great Reset into The New World Order being brought to us by bag man Bill Gates and uber-capitalist banker Klaus Schwab with the capable assistance of Dr. Josef Anthony Fauci. There are just too many of us plebs messing up their garden big time and must be brought to heel.

Maybe it's fortunate that some of us who have experienced true freedom are getting along in years. I grew up having the freedom of a Huckleberry Finn childhood. The youngsters of today won't notice the loss of what they never had. Sad

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Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab had to pull the trigger on their eugenics and technocratic control plan now because they are both old enough so they might not live to see it come to fruition if they waited any longer.

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I was diagnosed with covid three months ago. I did not realize I had it because I did not have many of the typical symptoms because I also had a strep infection at the same time.

Being on Medicare, the government sends a statement of your treatments and how much they reimburse the providers. They did not pay for a strep test. Which means as far as they are concerned, I had Covid and nothing else.

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@Enchantress Are all the numbers being slanted? Revving up the Fear Factor...,,

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@Enchantress I have noticed strep is all through my community.
Odd.
The government can be counted on to do something stupid and punishing.

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@on the cusp Thank you. I spent two weeks in bed before I was even diagnosed. To be safe, I then spent another ten days at home. Lost my appetite and dropped ten pounds. Too bad it wasn't more. Now I have never felt better.

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Unvaccinated Nevada State Workers To Pay Monthly Insurance Surcharge

Nevada will be the first state to charge state workers enrolled in public employee health insurance plans a surcharge if they aren’t vaccinated.

The state Public Employees’ Benefit Program Board voted on Thursday to charge unvaccinated workers up to $55 per month to offset the costs of testing those who haven’t gotten shots are required to undergo in certain workplaces.

“This is pandemic has been shouldered on the burden of everyone. And now this particular burden — the testing — should be shouldered on the burden of those who refuse to (be vaccinated),” said DuAne Young, Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak’s policy director.

Surcharges for state workers and adult dependents on their plans will go into effect in July 2022.

In Nevada workplaces where less than 70% of employees have gotten shots, employees are required to be tested weekly to prevent the spread of the virus. Although President Joe Biden’s workplace mandates face court challenges, if they go into effect, all unvaccinated workers will have to submit to weekly testing — a development that would significantly increase the state’s costs.

Officials said coronavirus-related claims filed by state workers were on track to surpass $6 billion in 2021. By charging state workers and their dependents age 18 and older, the plans will help offset the cost of testing people who refuse to be vaccinated.

Tell me how in hell it makes sense when they aren’t protecting people from getting infected? They are now classified as a gene therapy therapeutic. And since vaccinated people can spread it too why isn’t everyone being tested weekly too. Gawd’s nightgown the people who have caught the new variant were ‘vaccinated'. How do they overlook that?

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gain of function is also mentioned and how the narrative is fear, fear, fear.

https://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=33601661

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"Unregulated Capitalism is a Suicide Pact"....Noam Chomsky

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In the Lancet...Safety and immunogenicity of seven COVID-19 vaccines as a third dose (booster) following two doses of ChAdOx1 nCov-19 or BNT162b2 in the UK (COV-BOOST): a blinded, multicentre, randomised, controlled, phase 2 trial

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02717-3/fulltext

Background
Few data exist on the comparative safety and immunogenicity of different COVID-19 vaccines given as a third (booster) dose. To generate data to optimise selection of booster vaccines, we investigated the reactogenicity and immunogenicity of seven different COVID-19 vaccines as a third dose after two doses of ChAdOx1 nCov-19 (Oxford–AstraZeneca; hereafter referred to as ChAd) or BNT162b2 (Pfizer–BioNtech, hearafter referred to as BNT).

Findings
Between June 1 and June 30, 2021, 3498 people were screened. 2878 participants met eligibility criteria and received COVID-19 vaccine or control.
tigue and pain were the most common solicited local and systemic adverse events, experienced more in people aged 30–69 years than those aged 70 years or older. Serious adverse events were uncommon, similar in active vaccine and control groups. In total, there were 24 serious adverse events: five in the control group (two in control group A, three in control group B, and zero in control group C), two in Ad26, five in VLA, one in VLA-half, one in BNT, two in BNT-half, two in ChAd, one in CVn, two in NVX, two in NVX-half, and one in m1273.

Interpretation
All study vaccines boosted antibody and neutralising responses after ChAd/ChAd initial course and all except one after BNT/BNT, with no safety concerns. Substantial differences in humoral and cellular responses, and vaccine availability will influence policy choices for booster vaccination.

Funding
UK Vaccine Taskforce and National Institute for Health Research.

There is a good discussion of the issue of when to time second doses and boosters. It may be true that the second doses need to be spaced further out than 3 or 4 weeks after the first.

Note the adverse event rate...less than 1%.

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Here is the title of the article....
Safety and immunogenicity of seven COVID-19 vaccines as a third dose (booster) following two doses of ChAdOx1 nCov-19 or BNT162b2 in the UK (COV-BOOST): a blinded, multicentre, randomised, controlled, phase 2 trial - The Lancet

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https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/12/debt-rattle-december-3-2021/

Horse dewormer is 438 times safer than the vaccines.

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@ggersh @ggersh somewhere in the article @ggersh ,
this seems relevant; https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/court-orders-fda-comply-foia-re...

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
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@Tall Bald and Ugly as blockquote @Tall Bald and Ugly
strange days

Edit to add; is I see snoopy has already posted in yesterday’s installment on this.

Hah!

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
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Lots of stuff gets posted in one essay and then posted again in another cuz they didn’t see it the first time. Or if you’re like me you forgot you did. Smile

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@Tall Bald and Ugly They just want us to die

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@ggersh very simple terms for the rest.

Nicely done.

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@ggersh @ggersh
How many people overall had Covid 19 shots? The graph only gives a total population number for all categories. It is not broken out for each medication/treatment. You would need to compare total number of ivermectin users vs. total number of shot recipients to get the population percentages on adverse events.

Worldwide about 3.3 billion people have been vaccinated with two does of covid shots. So do the math on what percentage of people had adverse reactions.

Also the site you referenced (Automatic Earth) that provided this chart has a rather shaky reputation...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-automatic-earth/

Bias Rating: RIGHT-PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA (44/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

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for 29 years. Many more billions than have been jabbed in such a short time. Did you miss that on your rush to do a gotcha?

And again making the claim that a site is shaky and therefore shouldn’t be taken seriously. In who’s opinion? A ProporNot organization? The chart is from the WHO. It doesn’t matter who posted it.

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@Fishtroller 02 given out already but let's take your word for it.

You're comparing Ivernectin which since it's inception 29 years ago has a total of roughly 5705 total ADR's with about 4 billion doses given

C19 vaccine according to you has 3.3 billion doses given yet it has 2,457,386 ADR's, so you do the math. And that's in only 1 year.

This is what your media fact check site says about the NYT, you can't make this shit up

Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: HIGH
Country: USA (45/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Newspaper
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@ggersh

for those who have had one dose and numbers are still arriving on boosters.

If the figure 2.5 million is correct for reported side effects (which includes covid arm and other minor side effects, then the percentage of those who have had side effects from Covid shots is extremely low. There is no VAERS report site for Ivermectin (that I am aware of), so we have no idea of the percentage of Ivermectin takers who have had adverse events.
This is why the chart being offered without any other information is not helpful, other than just a tool to create MORE FEAR of the vaccines.

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Yeah just skip the more severe side effects and deaths just cuz you don’t believe they happened. But then that’s how you can make up this:

then the percentage of those who have had side effects from Covid shots is extremely low

It’s not true because VAERS shows much does higher numbers and Harvard did a study confirming that the numbers reported are a very low percentage. But you just want to ignore it cuz it doesn’t fit with your belief that the vaccines are safe.

There is no VAERS report site for Ivermectin (that I am aware of), so we have no idea of the percentage of Ivermectin takers who have had adverse events.

You seem fixated on people are only taking ivermectin for Covid while ignoring the fact that it’s been used for 29 years for other diseases which shows how safe it is. But that fits your agenda.

This is why the chart being offered without any other information is not helpful, other than just a tool to create MORE FEAR of the vaccines.

But it’s okay for you to ignore the data and say that the vaccines are totally safe? You don’t see the hypocrisy in that? People have been posting links to the VAERS website but apparently that’s not acceptable to you. Do you know that many of the people you respond to have gotten jabbed, but are still open to other information on treatments and aren’t being anti vax?

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use Ivermectin and those which have high injection uptake.

Countries which have used Ivermectin and the statistics show a reduction of cases and deaths. This will not be the best list, as I forget over time. Here goes:
- Europe...Czechia, Slovakia,
- India...Uttar Pradesh, Uttarakhand, with millions; other states in India?
- Mexico...high Ivermectin countries.
- Bangladesh...poor country, with greatly better metrics than the US
- Japan...has just chucked the 'vaccines' out in favor of Ivermectin. See that in MSM?
- Africa...Zimbabewe, South Africa, Nanibia, the large middle sixty (60)% has been on Ivermectin for years to treat parasites. Many have said that the northern countries have hoarded the shots, which they have. The predictions were that underserved countries would have high levels of COVID. They have not. Rather they might be better off.
- South America/Central America...Panama, which countries? Peru? Chile?
- Florida...US. FLCCC doctor in Florida is free to prescribe Ivermectin. Cases are no worse than locked down California. There might be other states and cities which do not punish doctors from using preventatives, and treatments.
- South east Asia...?Philippines, Indonesia?
- Sweden...is an unusual situation. They have not mandated shots, although uptake is fairly high. But there have been no lockdowns; schools are open; people are carrying on normally. More on this? Ivermectin?

Any other countries or areas come to mind? I would love to get a single list together.

We could always create the other side of the coin: the highly vaccinated countries and states. For example:
- Gibraltar...over 100% shots, and they are cancelling Christmas because of COVID surges.
- Israel...suddenly dropped out of sight with the third and fourth shots. How are they doing?
- US States...with mandates not doing so well. Specifics?
- Australia...they are hardly bumping the numbers above average yearly deaths, cases. But totalitarian lockdown and mandates.
- New Zealand...another country with few deaths, in lockdown.
- Other highly injected countries??

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The doctors will not prescribe IVM due to the narrowly defined use restrictions. I have not yet heard of docs getting punished yet, but who knows.

Similarly, pharmacists are reluctant to fill scripts unless it is prescribed for worms. It is a silly game they are playing, but I have been able to figure out a work around. Got a script from a doc in FL and a friendly gal at the local apothecary filled it for me.

I really think this is unconscionable.

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They originally banned it in January 2021. But after their deaths skyrocketed the government changed their mind and made it legal. The improvement was very quick.

I've documented it here for you:

https://caucus99percent.com/comment/551661#comment-551661

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In it, Dr. Campbell summarizes a South African study of the effect of the omicron variant upon persons who gained natural immunity from previous COVID infections. I want to be perfectly clear that in posting this, there has not been a study of how the omicron variant affects those who have been vaccinated. This may be partially due to the very low vaccination rate in South Africa so conclusions may not yet be valid as to the effect of vaccination upon the omicron variant.

This post is not intended to be an argument either for or against vaccination but is being posted for informational purposes only.

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was correct.

My opinion on the new African variants
November 27, 2021

The world may be taken by surprise but that doesn't include us. It remains to be seen whether Omicron can outcompete Delta (to be confirmed). If that’s the case, we're definitely not in good shape.

In case of CoV, innate immunity protects the individual and the 'herd' ( sterilizing immunity, no natural selection pressure, herd immunity) whereas adaptive immunity induced with leaky vaccines has exactly the opposite effect.

THE big Q is whether such an immune escape variant could even resist naturally acquired Abs in people who recovered from C19 disease. I am, indeed, cautious and worried about ADE, even in the unvaccinated who recovered from C-19 disease as they may no longer be able to control viral infection. ADE would equal ‘enhanced virulence’. Difficult to predict.

Mass vaccination has compressed the evolutionary trajectory of the virus from a few hundred years (?) down to one year. Hope that naturally primed individuals can deal with that speed.

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A comment posted by Lookout, describing early treatment with HCQ + Zinc. Today I find a link to an interview with Dr. Zelenko on Malone’s Twitter page. The interview describes how a Presidential order (Trump) early in the pandemic called for distribution of HCQ to every person in the country to be drawn from the National Stockpile. We all know that never happened. How that Presidential Order was circumvented is described by Dr. Zelenko in the following video interview. It is profoundly disturbing.
Bitchute Video Link

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@ovals49 Not spouting science in terms that we can't understand unless we are scientists, and truthful anecdotes. no reason AT ALL for this dr. to lie.

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Good thing he failed....https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22446-z

That stuff is bad news.

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The study you cited was fatally flawed.

It had been based almost entirely on the RECOVERY data. This in turn was based on the Surgisphere Studies on COVID-19 which has been retracted due to fraud. In addition they used higher, dangerous doses and gave the medication only in the later stages of infection w/o zinc where it is not efficacious. Like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine needs to be given at the first sign of infection.

Drilling down from your link, the reason given for the "failure" of hydroxychloroquine was the results from the RECOVERY study:

Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for survival in COVID-19: an international collaborative meta-analysis of randomized trials

HCQ_CQ_and_mortality_protocol_01.pdf

Given the unfavorable RECOVERY results and the revoked Emergency Use Authorization, continued recruitment into HCQ and CQ trials may be jeopardized and many trials may run the risk of ending in futility. A joint and rapid examination of data on mortality from as many trials as possible may offer the best evidence to guide next steps.

The main source for the RECOVERY data came from Surgisphere. It is quite apparent that this fraud was engineered to prevent hydroxychloroquine use from affecting the EUA for the vaccines during Trump's term.

Lancet, NEJM Retract Surgisphere Studies on COVID-19 Patients

Two controversial studies of COVID-19 patients have been retracted after the authors failed to demonstrate that the data were reliable. The first study to be retracted, published last month (May 22) in The Lancet, had found harmful effects associated with the antimalarial drug, hydroxychloroquine, but quickly drew fire after scientists raised questions about the massive database supposedly underpinning it, and about that database’s owner, Surgisphere Corporation.

Today, three authors—all the coauthors on the study except Surgisphere founder and CEO Sapan Desai—contacted The Lancet to retract their report. “They were unable to complete an independent audit of the data underpinning their analysis,” the retraction notice in The Lancet reads. “As a result, they have concluded that they ‘can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.’”
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Hundreds of scientists have raised questions about the provenance of Surgisphere’s dataset. The Scientist reached out to some of the largest health systems in the states hit hardest by COVID-19, but could not find any that contributed data to Surgisphere, and the company has declined to name any participants, citing privacy agreements.

Several institutions once listed as collaborators on Surgisphere’s website, including the University of Minnesota and Stanford University, tell The Scientist they have no record of anyone at their institutions working with Surgisphere. The mentions of the collaborations have since been removed from Surgisphere’s website.
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Unfortunately RECOVERY didn't correct their error and let things stand. That's FUCKING FRAUD and is playing with peoples lives.

The WHO and CDC are preventing a beneficial prophylaxis that if used early and with proper doses can save thousands of lives.

HCQ for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 299 studies
Covid Analysis, Dec 4, 2021, Version 163

  • 97% of the 33 early treatment studies report a positive effect (14 statistically significant in isolation).
  • Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 64% [54‑72%] improvement for the 33 early treatment studies. Results are similar after exclusion based sensitivity analysis and after restriction to peer-reviewed studies. Restricting to the 8 RCTs shows 46% [16‑65%] improvement, and restricting to the 13 mortality results shows 75% [60‑84%] lower mortality.
  • Late treatment is less successful, with only 68% of the 201 studies reporting a positive effect. Very late stage treatment is not effective and may be harmful, especially when using excessive dosages.
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That's why I pick them.

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some of the videos I post on an almost daily basis, you will not make these kinds of errors. I do ensure that my posts are backed up with sound data to the best of my ability.

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Physicist Richard Feynman once said, “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.” One way we fool ourselves is by imagining we know more than we do; we think we are experts.

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...it ws only in a few places and WHO said it could not be discussed for another two weeks or longer because nobody really knows how infectious it really is and whether or not the vaccines offered protection from serious illness.

Today, it is an entirely different story and nobody is holding back. Today it is in many US states, with clusters of infection in New York snd elsewhere. Most of the patients have no connection with international travel, so infections are treated as community generated. How are they finding them all? The US finally has a sequencing task force looking at as many positive tests as possible. The US lost the battle with Covid-19 for a couple of striking reasons.

1. They never produced enough tests — and they still don't have enough tests in use to deal with an epidemic.
2. The lie about masks killed an unknown number of people in the US, not to mention throwing sick people back into nursing homes to infect the rest. The mask lies are still killing us. An estimated 97 percent of Americans wear counterfeit masks. The government never lifted a finger to supply them with hospital-clinical-grade masks. And no PSA's on how to use them.
3. So called public health organizations in the US never made genetic sequencing a top priority, so the nation's been flying blind all this time.

Clearly, Omicron has been here, and everywhere else, quietly spreading spreading itself. In three weeks it will blanket the nation. This might suggest that the infection is mild enough that it hasn't been too noticeable. However, one can get reinfected very easily. Some that have it now have already been infected three times. Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and eight other states have reported cases so far today. India reports its first cases today, and Israel already has 27.

Today it was announced that Omicron is a childhood disease. Children under 5 years old are the most susceptible.

Numbers tell us that it is at least three times more contagious than Delta. Many, many countries are reporting cases today, that had no cases yesterday.

Sure they are pushing boosters, which is just extra doses of vaccinations. That's kind of Hail Mary Pass that beats doing nothing to protect oneself and spare the hospitals. But Moderna piped up today and said, "We need a while new vaccine."

People are being encouraged to cancel holiday travel plans.

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@Pluto's Republic jabbing the young. Good timing.
Good grief.

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@Pluto's Republic This echoes a lot of what Dr. Campbell said in his most recent video. Viruses will mutate which is why a vaccine such as one for seasonal flu is only good against a particular strain. If a new flu strain pops up, there is a good chance that the seasonal flu vaccine for a previous strain will not prevent infection. What we are now learning from the South African study of the omicron variant cited by Dr. Campbell is that natural immunity is not offering protection from reinfection either. This does not mean that we should diss all vaccines, but understand that there are limits upon any vaccine, medication, and/or treatment for any disease.

Again, everyone has to make his or her own choice as to how to protect themselves. I have consistently said that the single most effective strategy one can use, other than becoming a hermit, is to wear an N95 or KN95 mask at all times in an indoor public venue. I also personally mask (KN95) even in an outdoor setting if there is a large group of people there.

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@gulfgal98
I agree with both this:

Again, everyone has to make his or her own choice as to how to protect themselves.

and this:

I have consistently said that the single most effective strategy one can use, other than becoming a hermit, is to wear an N95 or KN95 mask at all times in an indoor public venue. I also personally mask (KN95) even in an outdoor setting if there is a large group of people there.

Having sat on both sides of the Vax/No Vax fence I understand well the difficulty of accepting those who have chosen a different path. Respecting the individual and their fundamental right to decide their own path, regardless of whether it agrees with ones own decision, is essential.

Among my extended family there are a great variety of COVID related choices, and a significant amount of tension as a result. It’s one of the most troubling aspects of the pandemic experience for me, since there are no vaccines to prevent fractious families, and no prophylactics other than mutual respect, which is sometimes in very short supply.

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Vaccines For All And Begins LOCKDOWNS. Is The US Next?

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Both are wars on an invisible enemy.

https://vrevealed.com/c19/viewing?utm_source=email

You have 24 hours to view.

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I watched 4 of them today and hoped you would post when the next one was. Can’t wait for Malone to finish his thought he was making when it ended.

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In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

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3 in the first set plus 1 bonus. I will post all 9 sets. This one is Set 4. You have until 6 PST tomorrow evening. I don't know if you can enrol at this time. Check the links. I will post all sets at about 6 PM PST when I receive notification by email until they are fished.

I think Malone will continue part 2 his 3 part segment tomorrow. They don't give schedules.

They are well worth watching. Today I learned allot about remdesivir. The bonus part is also good. Legal information to give to the hospital if you are admitted about drugs they can treat you with.

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@CB film with Dr. Brian Ardiss. Excellent. The first part was with Zack Bush who talks about the existential point we are in.

Dr. Ardiss talked about Dr. Rainer Fulmic ? with the German Corona Foundation Committee Foundation. Would like to see more on this group. They have filed suit against the WHO.

I would also like to see the Dr. Malone films, but am maybe too late.

Thank you.

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when I receive the link at 6PM PST. I won't know what's in them until then.

Yesterday's videos are still up until 6PM PST.

Quick reminder…

Episode 4 expires tonight.

You have about 12 hours left to catch it all, from the time I hit ‘send’ on this email!

Hear from Dr. Zach Bush, the triple board certified physician who’s dedicated decades of his life to finding out how to free yourself from a mindset and lifestyle of fear to understanding and growth.

This isn’t just about medicine.

It’s about changing your life, your mindset to truly thrive in any circumstance.

Dr. Bryan Ardis and Michael Green share the dangers of how the system can really hurt you and hide your problems.

Don’t miss any of these interviews if you want to hear how to protect yourself with the right information.

Plus, get the inside view on how risky the vaccine for this virus really is by listening to Sheryl Ruettgers, an injured patient from her recent C-19 shots.

WATCH IT ALL HERE BEFORE 9:00 PM ET/6:00 PM PT TODAY.

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You will find audio file plus text about halfway down the page.

mRNA inventor stands with Abp. Viganò’s call for alliance against ‘fundamentally evil’ COVID tyranny
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LifeSiteNews sat down with Dr. Malone for an interview at his home and horse farm in Virginia. The interview was conducted as a joint venture for LifeSiteNews and the Austrian Catholic newspaper Der Dreizehnte. In the interview, Dr. Malone showed himself a strong opponent to the currently debated and planned vaccine mandates, lockdown policies, and mask mandates, all of which are, according to his study and research, ineffective and potentially harmful to human health.

Listen to the full interview:

In light of the lockdown policies that are strongly impeding the human liberty of movement, of travel, and of social gatherings as a whole, LifeSiteNews asked Dr. Malone whether he could explain the recent statements he made on Steve Bannon’s War Room show about the danger of “global totalitarianism,” as it is being played out right now in countries such as Austria and Australia.

The vaccine expert compared the lockdowns with the “camel’s nose” metaphor: “Once the camel’s nose gets in the tent, pretty soon the whole camel is in the tent,” Dr. Malone said.
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Thousands facing heart problems due to ‘post-pandemic stress disorder’

Up to 300,000 people in the UK are facing heart-related illnesses due to post-pandemic stress disorder (PPSD), two London physicians have warned.

This could result in a 4.5 per cent rise in cardiovascular cases nationally because of the effects of PPSD, with those aged between 30 to 45 most at-risk, they claim.

Mark Rayner, a former senior NHS psychological therapist and founder of EASE Wellbeing CIC, said that as many as three million people in Britain are already suffering from PPSD, thanks to stress and anxiety caused by the effects of Covid-19.

He fears this could result in a dramatic rise in physical health issues, such as coronary heart failure, if cases are not detected or treated early.

Mr Rayner said: “PPSD is a very real problem on a massive scale. As well as the condition itself with all its immediate problems, one of the biggest collateral issues is the affect it can have on heart health.

“It is widely recognised that reducing stress and mental health problems is crucial to the prevention and recovery of cardiovascular events such as heart attacks and strokes.

“We are talking about as many as 300,000 new patients with heart issues.”

He said: “I’ve seen a big increase in thrombotic-related vascular conditions in my practice. Far younger patients are being admitted and requiring surgical and medical intervention than prior to the pandemic.

“I believe many of these cases are a direct result of the increased stress and anxiety levels caused from the effects of PPSD.

“We also have evidence that some patients have died at home from conditions such as pulmonary embolism and myocardial infarction. I believe this is related to many people self-isolating at home with no contact with the outside world and dying without getting the help they needed.”

PPSD is a mental health condition induced by the pandemic. While it is not yet officially recognised, many experts believe it should be.

They ain’t even trying anymore. Just throw this crap out there and move on from having to address concerns about the vaccines being toxic. Good grief. How many people are going to believe that? Even one is too many.

I bet I know how they will want to treat it. With a brand new anti depressant that costs $17,000 per pill.

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So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
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Merck Created Hit List to "Destroy," "Neutralize" or "Discredit" Dissenting Doctors

Merck made a "hit list" of doctors who criticized Vioxx, according to testimony in a Vioxx class action case in Australia. The list, emailed between Merck employees, contained doctors' names with the labels "neutralise," "neutralised" or "discredit" next to them.

According to The Australian, Merck emails from 1999 showed company execs complaining about doctors who disliked using Vioxx. One email said:

We may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live ...

The plaintiffs' lawyer gave this assessment:
It gives you the dark side of the use of key opinion leaders and thought leaders ... if (they) say things you don't like to hear, you have to neutralise them ... It does suggest a certain culture within the organisation about how to deal with your opponents and those who disagree with you.

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Dr. Robert Malone, the original inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology, explained why he thinks that global totalitarianism is a bigger threat than the COVID-19 virus. Malone also praised the recent call of Archbishop Carlo Mario Viganò to form an anti-globalist alliance to combat COVID tyranny.

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@CB

"original inventor of the mRNA technology. Well established. He not only lied about his record, but he also lied about the spike protein being poisonous. In so many ways, this man has caused more chaos over Covid 19 than many others put together.

Second, Vigano is virulently anti gay. I remember well his little trick using Kim Davis here in KY.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/10/catholic-archbishop-pens-unhinged-le...

He called out the Pope for covering up the abuse of children, and then claimed it was done to protect all the homosexuals in the Vatican. I'm no fan of Pope Francis and absolutely loathe the Roman Catholic Church, but why would anyone give credence to anything this man has to say about Covid or world governments? His views art still saturated with ideas about Satan and graphite etc., including his views on the pandemic.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/10/catholic-archbishop-pens-unhinged-le...

He's a total nutcase. The combination of him and Malone is beyond ridiculous... to the point of needing to be addressed and thoroughly shaken out as flying in the face of reason.

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@Fishtroller 02

Others can have their own opinion. You’re trying to discredit Malone has been debunked multiple times and yet you say that you aren’t trolling the essays. In my opinion you repeating it every chance you get is just that. People can believe in whomever they want.

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So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@snoopydawg

FACT. Sure, you can "believe in" anyone you want....Santa Claus, the tooth fairy or one of thousands of gods. And Malone can believe that he is the "inventor" of the mRNA technology too. That doesn't make it fact.

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https://caucus99percent.com/comment/551904#comment-551904

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First of all, it is well established that Malone is NOT the "original inventor of the mRNA technology. Well established."

Reply with a cite to prove your claim.

BTW, did you know that the vaccine manufacturers use luciferase mRNA to this very day to test/monitor biological processes such as how well muscle tissue takes up the mRNA?

EDIT: Make sure your response takes into consideration the mRNA being transfected is synthetic - just like the current mRNA vaccines are manufactured. This is a key point!

Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection
R W Malone, P L Felgner, and I M Verma
PNAS August 1, 1989

Abstract

We have developed an efficient and reproducible method for RNA transfection, using a synthetic cationic lipid, N-[1-(2,3-dioleyloxy)propyl]-N,N,N-trimethylammonium chloride (DOTMA), incorporated into a liposome (lipofectin). Transfection of 10 ng to 5 micrograms of Photinus pyralis luciferase mRNA synthesized in vitro into NIH 3T3 mouse cells yields a linear response of luciferase activity. The procedure can be used to efficiently transfect RNA into human, rat, mouse, Xenopus, and Drosophila cells. Using the RNA/lipofectin transfection procedure, we have analyzed the role of capping and beta-globin 5' and 3' untranslated sequences on the translation efficiency of luciferase RNA synthesized in vitro. Following transfection of NIH 3T3 cells, capped mRNAs with beta-globin untranslated sequences produced at least 1000-fold more luciferase protein than mRNAs lacking these elements.

He not only lied about his record, but he also lied about the spike protein being poisonous. In so many ways, this man has caused more chaos over Covid 19 than many others put together.

Sorry. I'm no longer going to dance with you AGAIN on this one. I wish you would supply cites to back up your verbal "attack the messenger" claims. They're getting tedious.

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@CB

your videos, and yet IF you had been following through with any of mine at any point in these last months, you would KNOW that I posted tons of info on Malone's relationship with the process of developing mRNA. You would know that I posted articles about his claim that the spike protein is poisonous.

It might be helpful if you actually took a few steps outside that bubble world you are in and applied some skepticism to these claims and people you praise. However, I do not expect that to happen here.

You also might want to ask yourself what your goal is here. You spend an incredible amount of time and effort into the claims you make. Are you trying to stop people from getting vaccinated? Is that what you want?

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@Fishtroller 02

you would KNOW that I posted tons of info on Malone's relationship with the process of developing mRNA.

I keep asking you for a cite to this claim. Thus far you've only given articles from media that are attempting to undermine Malone's credentials.

I suggest you take the time to review

Sifting through Logical Fallacies to Find the Truth
Five ways to identify when arguments take an illogical turn
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04. Ad hominem: This is hands-down the most common logical fallacy that is seen at events like political debates. The Latin name for the fallacy means literally “toward the man,” and, aptly so: the ad hominem argument seeks merely to shoot the messenger. Instead of answering the argument posed, when using this fallacy, the speaker will try only to discredit his opponent so that whatever is said afterward is much less believable.

How to recognize: If an argument veers quickly from facts to insults, it’s likely going into ad hominem territory. It’s also easy to do this if there is some acknowledged bias against the target of the argument. Always remember that who a person is and what he is saying are two different things.

This is hands-down the most common logical fallacy that is seen at events like political debates. The Latin name for the fallacy means literally “toward the man,” and, aptly so: the ad hominem argument seeks merely to shoot the messenger. Instead of answering the argument posed, when using this fallacy, the speaker will try only to discredit his opponent so that whatever is said afterward is much less believable.

Your arguments have been guilty of this false argument many, many times as you have shown with Archbishop Viganò, Robert Malone, Dr. Kory and others you have denigrated instead of dealing with the facts.

Robert Malone was cited in the following NIH publication found at Public health information (CDC)

Developing mRNA-vaccine technologies elements
2012 Nov 1
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Introduction

RNA is considered as notoriously unstable making its therapeutic use a provocative idea. Despite the sensitivity of the molecule to the virtually omnipresent ribonucleases (RNases),1 mRNA as a therapeutic was first promoted in 1989 after the development of a broadly applicable in vitro transfection technique.2 Only a couple of years later, mRNA was advocated as a vaccine platform, perhaps being ideal in the sense that it brings together the immunological features of live attenuated vaccines such as endogenous antigen expression and T cell induction with those of killed or subunit vaccines like defined composition and safety.3,4
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2 Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection R W Malone, P L Felgner, and I M Verma
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In case you attempt to say this was NOT a vaccine but only a therapeutic keep in the mind the CDC has changed the definition of a vaccine to include therapeutic because the mRNA COVID-19 'vaccines' DO NOT convey the traditional functions of conferring immunity and preventing transmission.

(Note: I posted this before I was finished writing)

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You would know that I posted articles about his claim that the spike protein is poisonous.

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2
31 Mar 2021

SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) infection relies on the binding of S protein (Spike glycoprotein) to ACE (angiotensin-converting enzyme) 2 in the host cells. Vascular endothelium can be infected by SARS-CoV-2,1 which triggers mitochondrial reactive oxygen species production and glycolytic shift.2 Paradoxically, ACE2 is protective in the cardiovascular system, and SARS-CoV-1 S protein promotes lung injury by decreasing the level of ACE2 in the infected lungs.3 In the current study, we show that S protein alone can damage vascular endothelial cells (ECs) by downregulating ACE2 and consequently inhibiting mitochondrial function.
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The novel coronavirus’ spike protein plays additional key role in illness
Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease
April 30, 2021

The paper, published on April 30, 2021, in Circulation Research, also shows conclusively that COVID-19 is a vascular disease, demonstrating exactly how the SARS-CoV-2 virus damages and attacks the vascular system on a cellular level. The findings help explain COVID-19’s wide variety of seemingly unconnected complications, and could open the door for new research into more effective therapies.Representative images of vascular endothelial control cells (left) and cells treated with the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein (right) show that the spike protein causes increased mitochondrial fragmentation in vascular cells.


Credit: Salk Institute

“A lot of people think of it as a respiratory disease, but it’s really a vascular disease,” says Assistant Research Professor Uri Manor, who is co-senior author of the study. “That could explain why some people have strokes, and why some people have issues in other parts of the body. The commonality between them is that they all have vascular underpinnings.”

Yes I know there is a difference between the spike protein on the virus and the one in the gene therapy. But testing has not yet been done. Pfzier had originally stated that their spike protein remained attached to the muscle cell producing the antigen. They had to change that when their spike was discovered in many other organs of the body, such as the ovaries (which explains the strange bleeding) after getting the jab. When it was discovered in mother's breast milk they said that was good as it will inoculate the baby as well.

They are only starting to discover the myriad problems with this minimally tested product.

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I am the one "living in a bubble world"?

It might be helpful if you actually took a few steps outside that bubble world you are in and applied some skepticism to these claims and people you praise. However, I do not expect that to happen here.

You also might want to ask yourself what your goal is here. You spend an incredible amount of time and effort into the claims you make. Are you trying to stop people from getting vaccinated? Is that what you want?

I spend "an incredible amount of time and effort" checking the claims the sources make instead of just parroting them. That's is why I can effectively refute yours. You should attempt to do the same.

I've got nothing against vaccinations per say. I got my tetanus, influenza and pneumonia shots. But the recent mRNA vaccines where only tested in humans for 2 1/2 months before they were rolled out and they have showed to be problematic right from the beginning. Stage III Pfizer trials were aborted last spring by discontinuing the double blind placebo group they were scheduled to run until the fall of 2023. This makes them worth next to nothing to determine their efficacy and safety. We have been told we will not get their data for up to 50 years - 2076. So we can now only rely on the VAERS system to check for their safety. Efficacy we can see by the difference in other countries that have fared substantially better despite much lower vaccination rates.

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I hardly think that characterizing your posting a coming from inside a bubble is so bad you need to get all "insulted".

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I've NEVER attacked you as a person. I just opined that your sources were "bullshit" and also supplied the reason for my opinion. Do you not understand the difference? You attack the persons integrity without dealing with the substance of what they are saying.

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Archbishop Viganò had proposed on November 18 to “free humanity from a totalitarian regime that brings together in itself the horrors of the worst dictatorships of all time,” and he challenged “rulers, political and religious leaders, intellectuals and all people of good will, inviting them to unite in an alliance that launches an anti-globalist manifesto, refuting point by point the errors and deviations of the dystopia of the New World Order and proposing concrete alternatives for a political program inspired by the common good, the moral principles of Christianity, traditional values, the protection of life and the natural family, the protection of business and work, the promotion of education and research, and respect for creation.”(…)

Anyone see anything concerning about it? This is a man who was part of one of the most corrupt and invasive institutions in the world. An institution that has its fingers in and gives support to those dictators that he claims to abhor. He wants us all to follow Christianity, including the parts that tell women what to do with their bodies (he is also strongly anti-gay). And Dr. Robert Malone admires this thinking. And people posting on The Dose think Malone is the cat's meow.

I have been saying all along that many of the sources and POVs of the anti vax movement originate in right wing thinking. If this is not clear to everyone by now, it never will be.

The posting of this video in The Dose finally reveals what is behind the whole anti vax movement, and it ain't pretty nor something I thought this site stood for.

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The posting of this video in The Dose finally reveals what is behind the whole anti vax movement, and it ain't pretty nor something I thought this site stood for.

It's right there in your signature:

"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin

This site stands for open discussion and stands against censorship. It's about giving a voice to the voiceless. It's not about left or right wing partisan politics.

If what is written here offends you then I would kindly refer you to your signature line.

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@JtC

I just resigned from my membership in the ACLU because I don't think they would stand for the speech rights of the KKK anymore. This is not about censorship of speech at all. It's about voicing a firm opposition to erroneous information and fear mongering. The posting of videos that promote characters like Vigano and Malone and their proposals to take on the whole world by making sure that "Christian values" are promoted everywhere... values like eliminating a woman's right to reproductive choice, values like anti LGBTQ statements, and the claim that the vaccines are some sort of massive international action to control everything and everyone...these claims need to be called out for what they are. It's conspiracy theories on steroids. Did you read Vigano's statement? CB is promoting this kind of thinking and I'm simply calling it out. To me this video was the icing on a very bad tasting cake.

"This site stands for open discussion and stands against censorship. It's about giving a voice to the voiceless."

Well, in my view and experience The Dose column doesn't stand for these values. The Dose has become a daily running train of cut and paste right wing cottage industry fear mongering about the vaccines. Just try posting any information that is positive about the vaccines. You will most likely find out real quickly just how "open" the discussion is and how much "voice" those who feel more positive about the vaccines are given. Trying to bury other POVs with avalanches of paragraphs of unevidenced "facts" or slick videos that come from questionable sources topped with claims of self appointed expertise-ism is not discussion. One "wins" the debate just by snowing others with tons of material.

The quote from Taslima Nasrin was something I put on my sig line at DKos because I was being hounded by religionists for questioning their religious statements and claims about the world. One person in particular called for all postings by atheists to be put in a special category for banning.

When I refer to "right wing" I'm not talking about conservativism or left/right partisan views. I'm talking about open hostility to science and fact.

When I came to C99 most people here were fugitives from DKos, or fans of Bernie Sanders who were looking for the freedom to verbally apply skepticism to what was/is being offered to us by both political parties.... with a little rebel old hippie thrown in. That is not what I see in The Dose. I see rigid promotion of a train running on one track only and determined to mow down other POVs.

I know and have experienced a few things related to freedom of speech and giving voice to the "voiceless". And by the way, the anti vax POV is hardly voiceless in this country. The Dose is not like the other columns and writings here. It has become a special spot for one side of an issue and one side only. That is what I feel flies in the face of what I though this site represents.

Now you can take all of what I wrote here as you wish. It's your site. I have never suggested stifling opinion, but I'm not attacking opinions, I'm attacking postings presented as fact. Do what you will with that.

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be so defensive. You just seemed a little confused about what this site stands for.

By the way, in case you missed it, I have defended your position in The Dose in the past. I have also noticed how you are treated in The Dose and I do let you reciprocate in kind. I do respect the courage it takes to wade into things alone and I hope you respect how alone I feel in running an open discussion board during these trying times.

Peace.

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Thanks. I don't think I'm the one who is confused about the goals of this site. You shouldn't feel "alone" when it comes to trying manage it. I personally think though that a daily Dose of anything is probably too much.

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