There is a Bronx based news/opinion site that you should see
It really does a great job of covering Billery Clintons.
The Yang part of the equation is reportedly having billy goat tantrums because the Yin boss (Huma) is limiting his access to his worse half, especially when he calls to bitch about poor decisions by Hill's top aides. Like Huma.
http://www.orbmagazine.com/the-orbiter/as-the-clinton-campaign-falters-t...
Here are a few doozies:
Back in Brooklyn, the campaign organization is de facto divided into two factions, informally known as “Bill’s crew” and “Huma’s crew” and the tension between them is palpable. Although the candidate does not want to alienate her husband/business partner because she needs him, her primary confidence and trust rests, we are told, in Ms. Abedin, with whom she has a deeper and more fulfilling relationship.
It is not unusual for ambitious sycophants to vie for the ear of presidential candidates (in fact, they usually encourage rivalries among staffers), but the current schism among Hillary’s troopers is significant. Mr. Podesta, the adult in the room, is trying to stay neutral between the opposing Bill and Huma factions, but he is losing patience. Every day, Mr. Clinton keeps calling calling calling with new demands and strategies, and his former employee can hardly refuse to take his calls.
Another frustration for the former president is that he can’t get through on the telephone to his wife, the candidate, without going through Ms. Abedin, who carries the cell phone and screens all calls. When Mrs. Clinton and Ms. Abedin are traveling, they always share a suite, which they lock from the inside to bar the Secret Service. If Hillary is not in the mood to listen to her husband kvetching about problems in the campaign, she instructs Huma to tell Bill she is sleeping and cannot be disturbed. Naturally, this sends the ex-president into paroxysms of rage.
I recommend that you read it. Clearly someone close to the campaign has been bean spilling to OrbMagazine, enough so to make a YUGE pot of chili. I always suspected that Bill's calm, smart demeanor masked a light trigger temper that was notorious in arKansas.
Below this article is another, short and sweet, and even more telling:
Bill Clinton is upset his wife’s campaign team doesn’t follow his advice — and because he often can’t even get Hillary on the phone.
“Those snotty-nosed kids over there are blowing this thing because nobody is listening to me,” Bill told campaign chairman John Podesta, according to OrbMagazine.
The former president has not only clashed over policy with Hillary’s closest adviser, Huma Abedin, he’s also said to be furious he can’t phone his wife without going through Abedin, who carries Hillary’s cellphone and screens all her calls.
“When Mrs. Clinton and Ms. Abedin are traveling, they always share a suite, which they lock from the inside to bar the Secret Service,” Orb reports.
“If Hillary is not in the mood to listen to her husband kvetching about problems in the campaign, she instructs Huma to tell Bill she is sleeping and cannot be disturbed. Naturally, this sends the ex-president into paroxysms of rage
Snot nosed kids? The kind that vote for Bernie? That will go over well.
Two reasons why these articles make sense:
A. There have been other reports of dissonance, cognitive and not, between those closest to Hill and the Yang part of the equation.
2. This orb group is located very close to the Clinton campaign center in NY, and clearly has sources in the campaign.
iii. The images portrayed, Bill, a thin skinned, power broker who thinks he knows best, and a controlling know it all Hill who only trusts those in her inner sanctum, are spot on.
Ok, three points. Oh, and,
IV. Other sources have confirmed that Huma and Hill share a suite, to the exclusion of even the secret service.
So four. Oops,
(FIVE). Bill's absences after his anti-Obama tirade felt odd, as though they were forced.
So five reasons to . . .
6. Sydney Blumenthal's emails repeatedly dissing Obama and plotting ways to push her and his agenda were received by Hill, THEN PASSED ON TO HUMA.
at some point, Obama has to rethink his fool-throated support of Hill.
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I never thought anything
could make me sympathize w/Bill Clinton, but this does.
This is the worst run campaign I've ever seen. For a while, was contemplating a diary about how it is intentionally an anti-campaign, designed to make people hate and distrust Hillary Clinton. Then the campaign started to backtrack and try to retract some of what they'd done, and I thought: "Holy shit, they really ARE just incompetent!"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I have wondered about that particular dynamic for awhile now
I keep thinking "Hillary is just trying to show Bill up" in some ways. Like, show him up in campaigning, and win, so she can show him what a POTUS should be....and more importantly, what a POTUS should not be.
Like it's personal for her, and fuck all the rest of us. Like it's HRC, gonna get back at Bill, for all his infidelity and all the hell that he put her through. Is that a crazy notion?
Not at all crazy
Makes sense.
Sounds like a lot of dishonesty between Bill and Hllary
Rather selfish of them to expect us to get caught in the cross-fire.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Funny you should mention that...
I've been trying to write a comment for the last ten minutes about that very thing, and I just can't find the right words. I must ponder this...
Same as their WH days
There was no love lost, literally, in HillaryLand during their WH days. HLand referred to Bill's part of the WH as "the white boys club" - She always had her own team of women, and the competition was fierce.
Granted, she also had more discipline than he did, and seemed furious she couldn't control him.
No matter how many hired, it never seemed to be enough. Sympathy to Evelyn Lieberman, imagine how terrible it was to know what the first words in your New York Times obituary were going to be.
Think it would be catastrophic to have either one of them near the WH ever again.
Every once in a while I feel a pang of sympathy for Hillary but
I get over it pretty quickly.
That is something I never feel.
IMHO, she is a downright horrid person who has never cared about anyone but herself.
its a seriously fleeting moment
I feel sympathy for Chelsea
Beware the bullshit factories.
OOOOFah!
some longtime supposition maybe clarified here a bit, you think?
Might explain
This schism might explain why Bill has been going to polling stations and interfering. He always did best with direct contact with voters. If he was frozen out of the campaign, he may have thought that the ole Bill Clinton charm would save the day, the way it did in the old days.
Could that be another symptom of his mental decline?
And explain her refusal to take his dated advice? Or avarice?
Recently, the few times I have seen him, he was not the same pol, and he had no business appearing in public. I had a granduncle like that and he as scary and warped.
Bill
should be given unfettered access to Hill and 100% control of the campaign from here on in. It would be the patriotic thing to do.
Wasn't the snot nosed kids reference aimed at those controlling Hill's campaign and excluding Bill? Don't get the impressino it was aimed at Sander's supporters.
Great read
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Yes it was, but
Regardless of the target, a comment like that berns.
Ironically enough
I've read more than one op-ed theorizing that the ole Bill Clinton charm may have helped Hillary in Massachusetts--except I know I saw a post or a link or something recently noting that he is, in fact, being sued over that action.
Mind-boggling, this article. Is it another pile of noise, though? I'll have to think on that for awhile (no offense, Father, it's not about you at all, you're just the messenger here
)
Update: okay, I just re-read this article, holy crap! Among other things, this writer has done everything here but formally "out" Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Weiner as being Significant Others. It attributes this quote to Bill Clinton:
Seriously?
No, I'm not complaining--that quote seems a tad overblown for dramatic purposes, but it all seems more probable than some things I've read about the Clinton's relationship in the past. I think I actually believe a lot of it. I just wonder how this particular, uh, "factoid" has flown under everybody else's radar for a whole week now. Wingnut Media should be having a field day with that shit! Are they?
That stood out for me, too.
The more I thought about, the likelier the article rang true - on all issues. It sure reads as though an insider is talking off of the record.
Huma has been quoted as saying the emails may 'mortify' her
Google Huma mortify pick your source. There are many. It seems to me that the wording 'mortify' or 'mortified' is significant.
Are both Clintons sexual predators? Have they both had sexual relationships with people working under them?
I don't care if Hillary is gay. I wouldn't vote against someone just because they're gay. I have an overabundance of reasons not to vote for her.
So if Hillary is gay? How is that gonna get spun at TOP, that sure would be interesting to see.
I always thought Hillary was the brains of Billary and Bill was just the dick. Looking more and more like I was right all along.
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
One of my favorite cousins is gay
He and is partner are really wonderful people. And they grow bees, and send us the bee pollen and honey.
My best friend's lovely daughter is gay, and she and her partner go to each of his band concerts. Sweet, nice, just great folks. I support Chicago's gay pride weekly with advertising. A small amount but important.
If someone is gay, I could care less. . . . Or is it, I could not care less? Their quality as human beings involves a whole bunch of issues that have absolutely nothing to so with their orientation. And that applies to Hillary.
My dislike and mistrust of her stems from many other reasons and sources, including my dealings with her years ago, when she used Rodham.
It's obvious, isn't it?
I think they even name-checked her in passing at the Orb. It'll be spun as "nobody cared when Eleanor Roosevelt did it..." and anyone who questions it is a homophobe. Simple, really.
I'm with both you and the good Pastor here, btw--I don't give a rip if she's a lesbian or not and I never did. Whether or not one is an honorable person in deeds or vocation has nothing to do with their sexual orientation. I only brought it up at all because I can't believe Flush hasn't been shouting it from the rooftops already. I never listen to hate radio, so I was genuinely curious about that...
It is . . . a puzzlement, as Yul Brenner once said.
I think the GOP/RW are waiting for the General election
to attack Hillary on the issue of her relation with Huma. Trump has already made passing remarks about it. I don't care about people's sexual orientation, but anyone who doesn't believe Hillary's alleged sexual relations with Huma will be used against Hillary in the General, whether they be true or false, is fooling themselves.
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
How naive am I? I just brought up an image of Huma
on Bing and at the top of the image page is a banner questioning whether Hillary and Huma are lovers. I had no inkling of the rumor. I really do not care about HRC's sexual orientation one iota, but I agree that the Repubs will make it a topic...non-stop. I guess the real problem for me is if it is true then it just shows that neither of the Clintons have a moral compass. Geez, politics can sure generate some real "class acts."
Also, if true how about that personal server in her basement. Maybe incriminating emails she and Huma would rather not get out into the public domain?? Just wondering now and very tired of the Clintons' sideshows...
Wasn't gonna go there, but it's been in tabloids on RW sites ...
If true, obviously Huma is understandably "terrified" with what's in the emails
Tabloids take a minuscule grain of fact
and make a mountain range of scandal out of it. Occasionally they're on target (John Edwards, anyone?), but more often they're just babbling.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Why would the Republicans help Bernie?
I'm sure the thought of having to run against Bernie is making the Republicans shit their pants. Even if Hillary wins in the general, the threat to the establishment is at least removed for a little while.
Beware the bullshit factories.
I see why
Huma abedin was on some radio/internet show the other day. State has to release her emails for judicial watch, and it's supposed to start in March/April.
Huma, mortified?
More than she was when her husband, did what ever he did, and shared pictures of himself on twitter? More mortifying than that?
This orb article was also in the New York Post. Expect it will get more attention by tomorrow.
From my Yahoo "news" feed:
I must admit, I wondered about the relationship between those two ages and ages ago, but ignored it as irrelevant to the larger picture. Then after the baby was born Abedin seemed to drop out of sight. I didn't realize she was back to being Hillary's staff person until their names were linked recently with this email "scandal" (or illegal activities - whichever turns out to be true).
Their relationship is irrelevant. I really don't care. [I may or may not change my mind if it is proved that valid state secrets are involved.]
I do, however, care about policies Hillary endorses that would adversely affect the US if she were president because that involves ALL of us, and that very much matters. I am absolutely and positively certain that if she were prez (please, no!) she would take this country in directions we do not want to go, including globally. That matters.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
I consider...
Gender, Race, & Sexual Orientation, to be 3 things of no consequence to be considered in someone's qualifications for public office...
Trustworthy, Honesty, are very strong factors...
On a lighter note does this mean Bill will be "Bunking in the Lincoln Bedroom?"
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Great read
The biggest problem with the campaign is #1) the candidate who is not particularly likable and definitely not trustworthy and #2) the candidate's husband who is overtly destroying any small shard of Presidential credibility that he might have once had. The best run campaign in the world cannot mask what odious examples of humanity that these two people are. They are bloodletting and blood sucking parasites on humanity and they need to go away, far away as possible and forever.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Clintons Are Simply Classier Grifters
than Sista Sarah and Mike Huckabee. Perhaps their friend, war criminal Henry Fucking Kissinger, can console them the way he consoled Nixon after his downfall.
Both Clintons should retire from politics and clean up the Clinton Foundation before its pay-to-play operations are exposed.
...but...but...Obama has vouched for her...
But wait...remember 2008, Obama conceded that Hillary was likable enough.
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"I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it. "
-Niccolo Machiavelli
"Sorry Hillary"
-TheJerry
Hear! Hear! gulfgal! Hear! Hear!
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
This is the really scary part.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Yeah, does anyone
want Bill Clinton back in the White House? Not me.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Why I backed Obama in 2008
I'd had enough of Bill Clinton and didn't want him sneaking back into the White House under his wife's skirts. (Before long I didn't like her very much either.)
No. More. Clintons!
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Bill's claim to have an active role in her admin scared me!
That is the paragraph, dkmich, that caught my attention most. Wondered what the good folks over at
F-kosNews would have to say about that? Probably pop their cork.
So after I read this, went looking to find out who this outfit is, Orb? Looks like a Page Six in online format? Anyone know? Who is this guy who writes this? Political affiliations?
Sea Turtle
Anyone not worried by this
really isn't paying attention.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I just can't see WJC as First Studly
And I hope no one else can. NO one.
::sigh::
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Muerte al fascismo. Muerte a la tiranía. colapso total de los que promueven tampoco. A la pared con el unico porciento%
love that Twilight Zone clip
ooooh!!!! so well done. Well acted, great editing, scary music.
The longer this campaign goes on
The longer this campaign goes on, the more and more convinced I am that the Clintons are running this campaign like it's 1992 again. Everything they are doing is so old school, and especially the way Hillary plays the game with all the other politicians by taking money from big donors and doing them favors, etc. Unfortunately it's not working because they're just not getting with the times. It's almost shocking to me because Obama's campaigns both understood young voters and the changes in technology that inform those young voters. The Clinton campaign seems to just ignore them completely, like "who cares," and quotes like the one above about "snot-nosed brats" just illustrates perfectly that their campaign could not possibly care less about voters under the age of 40. I would have thought that HRC would use some of Obama's people on this campaign but it appears that she doesn't care about how they did it.
Either way, I hope her campaign completely blows up/continues to go down the gutter so my man Bernie can win the nomination. It would be awesome to truly vote FOR someone and not just against the other guy (and while I was excited to vote for Obama in 2008, I begrudgingly pulled the lever for him in 2012... can we get a real progressive in the Oval Office?)
Just to throw another ingredient into the mix...
has anyone else heard the scuttlebutt about the DC Madam's lawyer's claims that he has her records ready to flood the Internet at a moments notice and that they could impact the election in a whole new (and YUGE) way?
While some are speculating that Cruz is in there...I have seen comments that it would give Sanders a lock on the Presidency....So, I think there would be something about the "Big Dog" amongst the details, and, if all of this about Hillary is true...then perhaps something about her too...eh?
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seriously, I think releasing that info is suicide
the people who run things are gangsters who are not adverse to killing people if they think it's necessary. I mean, beyond the usual war killings.
Apparently there is a "Dead Man's Switch"
anything happens to the lawyer and the worst of the worst gets released from 4 different locations/servers all over the globe.
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Soooo, more of a dead man's snitch, eh?
If Huma and Hillary are together, good for them, on a personal, private level. It would explain Bill's comments, being pretty much excised out of the main parts of the campaign, and his frustration at being relegated to the side less.
It also explains why Anthony Weiner is nowhere to be found with his wife. If I, or my honey, were publicly outed in the same embarrassing fashion as the Ant-man was, what with his first sex scandal, then followed by his sexting scandal with photos, well, let's just say ours would not be a single residence household any more.
The optics we are given (by the way, that is Huma's self professed expertise - optics), it suggests several things, including a lack of any personal contact between the two, and an agreement that they stay married "in public," but are free to do their own thing - but in absolute, complete, utter, and total privacy.
On the other hand, Taking one segment of a Bronx article and extrapolating so much out of it still feels like a bit of a stretch, but for so many bizarre and seemingly tiny confirmations.
Sometimes you don't even see the smoke,
before the fire explodes...
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To me, wince.
Credible or not, it'd all out there. My wingnut S-I-L will have picked up this bit and gulped it down after announcing in dog night chorus that 'we always suspected'.
I do think that this stuff about who sleeps in the bed at night should not even be imagined, unless it's with a dog or cat or somenum.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Just what do you have against
Horses
Cockroaches
Spiders
Rhinos?
I am willing to bet
that the one name that is NOT in there is Bernie's.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Exactly my thought GG.... n/t
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Yup
I saw that one yesterday--"What if Big Dog was arranging dates for Hillary's NY Senate campaign donors"...
Saw this last night
... From a link at TOP. I wondered who is behind the site, since there was a Page Six story right below this one.
If this is real reporting, it's an explosive story. The campaign sounds at least as dysfunctional as the Mark Penn - Lanny Davis campaign was. Let's see, what are the common denominators between those two campaigns?
And the story of Hillary and Huma locking the door to their hotel suites to control access to Her Inevitableness sounded just weird, even if it isn't salacious. I don't give a shit who Hillary sleeps with, but the prospect of another Clinton sex scandal (Sleeping with an Underling!) is deeply unappetizing.
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funny
I'm not convinced of the truth of this, but it's sure entertaining.
Actually most of it, if true, increases my respect for Hillary. It's easy to picture Bill wanting to tell everyone how brilliantly he won it in '92, oblivious to how much has changed. And I would agree that there's little a candidate needs more right now than a good night's sleep with the cellphone off. If they win they'll have four years of no sleep.
Locked doors to keep the Secret Service out
might only mean that they are not subjected to the view of HRC having her spark plugs and battery changed, transistors and wires checked and recorded material being uploaded. The fact that she occasionally goes ballistic shows what a strain it is on her programming.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
You confuse Cheney and Hillary
No, wait, you are correct! They are the same, especially on war policy! And Wall Street.
Cheney has a nicer smile.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
An a far more HUMAN laugh audio jpeg
than the ones they use in Hillary's Windows XT operating system .
Of course, that explains why she and Huma relied on a private, off the State grid secured com link for their private use.
They may have
interchangeable parts. At least they are networked/plugged into the same mainframe.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Hopeless.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Bill was an awful president
but a gifted politician. Hillary owes him everything, whether she likes it or not. She's extraordinarily unpleasant, a lousy politician, and arrogant as hell -and she can't hide it. I'm not even she has the political savvy to try. Has anyone else noticed how many of her campaign pictures have her with her nose in the air? No one would have remembered Ms. Rodham's name if she hadn't married Bill. It's one of the many reasons I object to her being the "first woman" president. I'd like for the first to have gotten there under her own steam instead of her husband's. How very fifties.
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