Open Thread WE 1 SEP 21
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"The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion."
-- Molly Ivins
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“Doubts are good. Confusion is excellent. Questions are awesome.
All these are attempts to expand the wisdom of mind.”
― Manoj Arora, Dream On
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Welcome to today's version of your open thread. Working on our present state of affairs. Came up with a theory as to how we arrived at this particular quandary. Seems we have been fed a steady diet of illusion, contradictions and half truths. The basic concepts of the things that supposedly make the US better: like freedom, liberty, and justice do not seem to hold up under close scrutiny. Fantasy and delusion are more akin to the fabric of this culture. Somehow the ideas of independence and bombs bursting in the air have become mixed up. As have other issues like wealth and strength. Confusion as to what those basic concepts are in principle versus practice abounds.
Problems cannot be solved by the same level of awareness that created them.
--Albert Einstein
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Ye shall know the truth, and the truth will make you mad.
--Aldous Huxley
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If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
we would be so simple that we couldn't.
--Emerson M. Pugh
Perhaps in our seclusion, rational thought will sort out a better way forward.
Jump right in with your divergent views!
Credits:
Twisted copper wire basket by Susan Blake, Canberra, Australia
https://sallyblake.com
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Good morning, QMS ~
Just in case someone doesn't go to janisb's essay, I'd like to repost her article here:
https://nzdsos.com/2021/08/31/the-cost-of-fear/
Enjoy the day!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Thanks RA!
Have it cued up now.
Enjoy your day!
Zionism is a social disease
A very good article indeed.
Can't seem to copy/paste from it, but this portion is pertinent to today's topic.
Who to trust? Where to look? What is right?
The people are rightly confused.
Zionism is a social disease
Confusion on purpose
in order to continue distraction. In order to carry out the agenda. Evil.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
the agenda ? evil ?
Are you saying it's demonic ? Is Satan involved ?
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Ooooh, they squelched her free speech right
to rant on and on forever, they well surely go straight to hell the instant Jesus returns next month.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
And here I thought you were a nice person,
. I didn't know you were an abrasive person - I never took you for that. Please don't respond to anything I post from now forward. I don't need your brand of negativity in my life. If you disagree with me, keep it to yourself.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Jeez ...
I was just asking.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
I'm a human being with feelings,
. I'm not some computer bot but an actual human. Think before you trash.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
She needs to get her head examined to see if
a brain exists. I live around these yahoos and I’m SICK of them and their aggressive stupidity! That image of the woven basket is terrific, QMS. Rec’d!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Phishing Malware!
Was anyone able to get through and summarize?
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Hi Maven -
Yes, it loaded up fine for me, just couldn't do any copy/paste action with it.
Short version: it was written by a civilian group questioning the motives of
published numbers in NZ regarding Covid. Bottom line -- there have been more deaths caused by the vaccine than by the virus. The report went into great detail about the experimental nature of the vax,
the pressure on healthcare professionals to withhold information on the side effects of the drug (like death), and general background information about intimidating the population into conformity.
Zionism is a social disease
Great synopsis
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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
The claim was that:
I saw no evidence for that assertion.
There was this:
So yeah, I suppose that if you think all excess deaths in NZ must be from the injection then you've got a point, but I should think that the burden of proof lies with the person making the wacky claim.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
What a novel idea.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Nothing novel at all.
Please see my response to Az.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Proving they died from something else
should be right there in medical records. The absence of other cases means the jab was the cause. Anybody could challenge the presumption of cause of death in 30 minutes of research.
All this dictate means is a starting proposition, then take it from there.
The negative you can't prove is when there is no "there" there.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Happy humpday
On this date in history ..
1882 --
The first Labor Day is observed in New York City by the Carpenters and Joiners Union.
1904 --
Helen Keller graduates with honors from Radcliffe College.
1914 --
Passenger Pigeons become extinct.
Martha, the last Passenger Pigeon known to man, died at the Cincinnati Zoo, Cincinnati, Ohio effectively making Passenger Pigeons extinct.
1998 --
On National Day, Vietnam releases 5,000 prisoners, including political dissidents.
Zionism is a social disease
Lots of 80s flashbacks lately
One of the personal decisions I made back during the beginning of the AIDS crisis that's served me exceptionally well over all these years was to tune out everyone who's too cocksure about any subject. Knowitallitis is a tragic disease of the personality, and it can be contagious in the herd, especially when people are freaked out, so I try to stay away from the afflicted.
Beliefs are easy. Knowledge is...more Sisyphean. I try to keep what I think of as "knowledge" arranged in a "well so far the best data I can get suggests" folder.
Great tune Rev
The seeds of discordance are being sown with more density.
Too much conflicting information, heavily concentrated, seems to
reinforce divisions within the population.
Thanks for sharing!
Zionism is a social disease
I know this much is true
Two of the items on the short list of Things I'm Reasonably Sure About are: 1) we are awash in both intentional and accidental wrong information; and 2) there's no crisis leadership won't monstrously mismanage in order to both enrich itself as well as strengthen its own leash-hand.
And thanks for the OT, QMS! Hoping everyone is well as can be, all things considered.
weighing evidence
is much of the art of science.
Sadly not all evidence is given equal footing...some is blasted out of the MSM megaphone... other info suppressed and even disappeared.
WMD in Iraq and Julian being tortured for revealing war crimes are good examples of the two extremes.
The farther you shy away from the MSM message, the more isolated you become in your views.
Evidence changes, and we too must change, but when the dogma of the day becomes belief rather than best evidence people refuse to change their views.
Probably the most difficult aspect of science is to cast off long held views when it is contradicted by new data. The other big issue is corporate funding of research confounding real understanding in order to promote more profit.
So here we are...caught in a web of beliefs without the ability to think our way out of a wet paper bag.
Be well and take care!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
True that
Somewhat parallel ..
Fitting in ..
From Blindsight by Peter Watts
Good luck!
Zionism is a social disease
reminds me of a discussion...
about guard dogs vs donkeys to protect sheep or goats. A donkey's sense of self preservation is strong and they will run from a pack of predators if they feel threatened, dogs are loyal to their flock and will fight to the death.
Also similar to Upton Sinclair's saying...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
We used to raise llamas.
They are great guard animals, and you haven't lived until you've seen one take on a coyote. We had one big old gelding (retired pack llama, probably 400lb) who regarded it as the highest form of sport.
He'd position himself between the coyote and whatever prey had attracted it (usually a newborn cria on the ground). He'd then turn his back on the coyote, munching peacefully on the grass, seemingly completely ignoring it. When the coyote had finally snuck up within about 10 feet of him, he'd abruptly rear up, pivot 180deg on his back legs in a lightning-quick kung-fu move, and come down right in the center of the coyote's back with both front feet.
Squish.
And then he'd go back to peacefully munching the grass, as if nothing had happened. I'd go out later and clean up the dead coyote, and give the llama a little extra grain. After about 6 months of this, the coyotes would no longer even set foot on our property- they would carefully walk the fenceline, just on the outside, and go look for easier prey elsewhere.
Watching him hunt coyotes always reminded me of that great line from "The World According To Garp", about the WWII ball-turret gunner whose demise came "with all the disproportionate force of a tree falling on a grape"...
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Great story!
Thanks.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
WoW!
NYCVG
Great!
Burros do similar cool attacks. Every ranch around has one or the other.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Have faith
and eyes wide open and we will see more and more
NYCVG
The weather is confused also
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Good morning QMS, it's all just another roll of the
Go to Flickr
select no known copyright restrictions
search for dice
Get more or less random shit
search for fuzzy dice
Ger almost exclusively some damn band, the one that pops up at the bottom of the Dice scroll.
Question: Is that fuzzy logic in action??
Whatever.
Always remember, there is no such thing as "some" randomness.
Also:
~~~ Michel de Montaigne
(Bertrand Russell has expounded at greater length on the matter, but that should suffice)
A taffy machine generated completely deterministic action, until you put some taffy in it, that is. Look on these Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Welp they finally did it
The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday allowed a restrictive Texas law to go into effect that criminalizes abortion at six weeks and deputizes citizens to enforce the ban.The court took no action, however, making the bill law as of 12 a.m. local time.
The SC did not address the ACLU or anyone else trying to stop this abomination to take effect. This could have repercussions on other issues if it is not rescinded. Stay tuned folks.......It's going to get bumpy.
For some reason the excerpt isn't showing on my computer. Sorry bout that. Read at the source.
Apparently holocaust denial is not an issue anymore. Lots of people are denying the one in Gaza with absolutely no repercussions.
good morning snoops.
Sucks, but the reasonable people have at least another shot at it.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Texas just went back to the days
when women had to go out of state on "vacation" to obtain an abortion, and those helping them had to help them get there on the sly.
Texas is pretty shitty, although it has gorgeous scenery, and the people are renown for their friendliness.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
This is correct.
So cool, humphrey!
That slogan would not look right on a BMW.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Interestingly enough, that PU doesn't have a
spare tire.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --