Something to Think About

I went down the rabbit hole and got lost.
Then I found this:
https://consentfactory.org/

he Road to Totalitarianism

People can tell themselves that they didn’t see where things have been heading for the last 17 months, but they did. They saw all the signs along the way. The signs were all written in big, bold letters, some of them in scary-looking Germanic script. They read …

“THIS IS THE ROAD TO TOTALITARIANISM.”

So after reading this entry I went back in time to view other writings by cj hopkins.

Anybody want to discuss where he might be right and/or where he might be wrong?

The impetus for bringing this out is the emotional response from certain quarters when trying to discus facts on the ground about this narrative.

Some background; I’ve been told pointblank that the facts don’t matter, it’s not about facts, it’s about how I(they) FEEL! Just Try bringing facts and critical thinking to a feefee fest. That shit Won’t end well. People shaming you(well,Trying to in my case), putting the health and well being of All of Humanity on your(my) shoulders.
GTFOH with that Shite!

I guess I should give some disclaimers here:
I’m Not anti-vax. Anyone that’s been in the military and sent overseas has to walk the Gauntlett of airgun injections; a double row of attendants armed with pneumatic injectors loaded with Who Knows What and you’re Required to take them all(this being the military, Yo).

And I’ve made that walk Three times, Basic Training and two overseas deployments.

Fundamentally, I got questions. In this new era questions are verbotten.
Just a few of the questions I ask:

In 2019/2020 flu season, 38 million case of flu around the world. 2020/2021 flu season? Less than two Thousand.
What?!?
If I’m in good health, no underlying conditions, no co-morbidities and the vax was Never Meant to Prevent infection Or Transmission- Why should I take it.
I still haven’t received a plausible answer.
Now the CDC comes out and admits it’s basically useless as a prophylactic against the disease, it will Only mitigate the worst aspects of an infection.
Why should I take it, again? No rational response, just a bunch of ‘slut shaming’ to browbeat holdouts.

A lady with her kid coming out of the subway with her mask on Improperly and six(6) cops take her down Hard and arrest her for that!?!

An old woman out on the street without a mask on(outside!) gets jacked up and covered in paint by vigilantes.

People on the twatter openly calling for the De-capitation of the vax reluctant.
Don’t believe me? Go look, instances like this are Not too hard to find.

Now, I’m NOT saying Nobody should have used this vax. Not my call to make for others. People have health issues that could put them at risk of death or debillitation from this virus. I’m NOT qualified(nor would I Want to be) to tell people what they should do in their lives.

Shouldn’t we reluctants be given the same accord?

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edg's picture

So what you're saying is that the measures taken for Covid-19 -- masks, social distancing, school shutdowns, remote work, etc. -- reduced seasonal flu to a minimum. That's good to know.

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I’m Not saying anything @edg like that. I’m wondering where those went.
Let me break it down; is your assumption correct? That would be cool if it was.
Were they rolled into covid stats, padding, if you will? The world(most of it) goes into lockdown of one sort or another. But the lockdowns force everyone to do the one thing guaranteed to spread influenza; close packed living spaces, don’t go outside, etc.
Now, influenza Didn’t spike in these conditions, yet C19 did spread under these circumstances. And from what I can ascertain, the symptoms are very similar unless your immune system goes into overdrive and attacks its own.

And If your take on this is correct, we’ve been doing flu mitigation/prevention Wrong for the past 40 years?

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

Rather than lower flu counts being the result of some wild-eyed conspiracy theory, the simplest explanations are the ones I laid out in my comment above and 2nd comment below. I'll also add the fact that there were a record number of flu vaccinations this season to the mix. Here's an article from the CDC about the 2020-2021 flu season: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

Applying common sense and intelligence to the problem, one should first examine the most common locations of community spread of flu, namely schools and the workplace. Since most schools were shutdown, the normal passing of flu from child to child and subsequent spread to their relatives at home didn't occur. Since many businesses were shutdown or allowed employees to work from home, the coworker to coworker spread of flu was also greatly reduced.

In addition, as mentioned in the CDC article linked in my other response, a record number of flu vaccinations were administered.

And speculatively, it's possible that Covid virus simply outcompeted flu virus in latching on to prime infection sites in human bodies, thus reducing the ability of flu to spread. First come, first served as it were. In addition, it's likely testing stopped after a positive Covid test, thus flu was not tested for. There's no law of nature stating one can't be infected with more than one disease at a time.

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is worth a listen.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

watching his show fairly regularly @Raggedy Ann .
Good info simply presented.

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on how many people got flu shots.

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@on the cusp
and haven't been for a year. Just COVID available.

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in my circle, no one got a flu shot last year, and no one got the flu either.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly Flu shots disappeared, as did flu. Surely, the number of flu shots is out there somewhere.

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are not helping people make informed decisions about vaccine risk/benefit evaluations. It’s so skewed to vaccine only promotion it’s ridiculous. Dr Robert Malone describes his experience on the subject.

Throttling free discussion of evidence based COVID treatment options is the worst form of anti-science authoritarianism. It will only get worse without some serious pushback. Left, right, center; we’re all about to lose something precious.

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“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

@ovals49 part of the reason I wrote this.
The suppression of effective ‘alt’ therapies, or even Discussions of said therapies.
Jimmy Dore was on Joe Rogan and talked about his long haul symptoms after his second shot and how he’s still not back to ‘normal’.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly
In April 2020 and was multi facetted, impacted his livelihood and his reputation. It’s a chilling account, as it is designed to be. Way beyond a slippery slope.

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“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

@Tall Bald and Ugly I have noticed personality changes in some of my vaxxed friends. They are not behaving like the friends I have had for decades. It could just be they are aging, or some health issues, but they are not the same person they used to be.

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@on the cusp The body snatching is begun.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain I was paid a visit by a couple yesterday. The husband, I have known him about 18 years, could not hold a conversation. His wife had said he had some health issue, but would "snap back". Now, I called him as he went for his final colorectal exam to give him courage, so we all share all details. Nobody will say what his health condition is, so suddenly it is private. Or something.
Very odd.

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@on the cusp gonna go That far, but I have noticed a stridency/self-righteous attitude pervading any discussion of this topic. People talking At each other, yet not communicating With each other.

I’ve had a couple of bad experiences with people I was friends with.
Unfortunately the past tense as of now.
And no one wants to discuss the ‘new data’ coming out without setting Someone’s hair on fire.
Let alone the data that’s been out and suppressed as fake news(Bret Weinstein, FLCCCA, etc)

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@Tall Bald and Ugly I am talking about more than a change in attitude.

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@on the cusp got it.

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That's nuts.
I'm skeptical about any essay that begins with a picture of Auschwitz, but I read the thing.
It's silly and simple-minded, full of exaggeration, lame analogies and bad history.
There are no systems.

So pick a side, if you haven’t already. But, before you do, maybe look back at the history of totalitarian systems...

There were totalitarian governments in the 20th century, for sure, but those governments were products of their time, not examples of a type of system. There is no "history of totalitarian systems" because they only ever happened once, in the 20th century. There are no warning signs that Hitler is coming back because Hitler isn't coming back. There will never be another Auschwitz.
You don't want to get vaccinated ? OK.
But is it really necessary to justify that with all this sophomoric shit about "systems" ?

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It didn't have to be this way.

so the Romans weren’t totalitarian for the times? @Azazello Or the Egyptians in their time?
Was not the British Empire in its time Trying to be? Hence the Revolution?
Serious questions. Sure, they didn’t have the panopticon that we enjoy, that didn’t preclude them from trying,imo.
Weren’t any of the monarchies during the Middle Ages totalitarian for their day?
Shoot a wild game to feed your family and lose your life.
Can’t marry whom you wish to without consent of the king.
Whisper something derogatory about the king(or queen) and lose your tongue.

As for No Systems Existing, I find evidence to the contrary surrounding us daily. Maybe not planned, but definitely implemented in an Ad hock manner.perhaps.

Or do I miss your meaning on no systems.

As for silly or sophomoric, it seems like you won’t be bothered by detailing your thoughts.
I hope I’m wrong.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly
"Totalitarianism" is a 20th century concept referring to certain 20th governments.
These governments are called totalitarian because they sought to control, or did effectively control, every aspect of their subjects lives. In former times there was usually a priestly class that managed the spiritual aspects, not a political party.
But suppose you are right and that, say, the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt were totalitarian dictators. How, then, did the Egyptians start down the "road to totalitarianism" ?
Was is really by the persecution of some minority ?
Was there an Egyptian equivalent of Auschwitz ?
This makes no sense. That's what I mean by bad history.

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It didn't have to be this way.

@Azazello Was there an Egyptian equivalent of Auschwitz ?

People look at them to this day, one of the seven wonders?
Those blocks didn’t cut, transport and assemble themselves.
And what’s wrong with looking back at history with modern eyes and finding parallels?
It might be a twentieth century concept, but a rose by any other name. . . ?

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@Tall Bald and Ugly
Think fresh, think clearly, don't be bound by 20th century pop culture,
And don't invoke Hitler to make some lame point about vaccines.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

"totalitarian for their time" seems to me to mean not being totalitarian but having some similar characteristics. What I see in most of those cases is hereditary dynasties. If not conquered, they were generally overthrown by lesser nobility or the equivalent thereof, or somebody in the same lineage but not the primary line of descent. Egypt and Rome were somewhat special cases but the European kinds, for example, somewhat relied upon the lesser nobility for support and supported them in turn. They also didn't generally give a shit what the hoi polloi did, including marriage. though they might have tried to apply some pressure on the nobles as to various things, including, in some rare instances, marriage. Hunting on the royal estate, or some ducal or baronial estate would get you thumped, but not in anyplace not bound up in an estate. Rome also didn't give a shit what people did until after the merger of Church and State back around 380 or so. Even then, the peasants were given a fairly free hand. Generally, before the mercantile era, peasants worked and supplied lesser nobility or equivalent, who then passed a bit on to the king, caeser or empereor, and as long as they keep on doing their job they could do whatever, though eventually the church imposed restrictions on various things.

As an aside, "totalitarian" is something of a crude concept, somebody wanted a word that would encompass Nazism, Mussolini's Fascism, Franco and Stalin, and that was it. In detail those were very different governments, and, of course, Stalin and Mussolini both fell seriously short of the theoretical and conceptual underpinnings of Communism and Fascism. They probably should've stuck with "dictatorship" and let it go at that.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@Azazello

Sorry for going all “Braveheart” on you, but I’m psyching myself up to go get the snot beat out of me by the New Normal goon squads tomorrow, so I’m a little … you know, overly emotional.

This was in the side bar

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I will leave you with this and you can ponder the merits of whether we are on the road to Totalitarianism or not.

The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. -- Zbigniew Brzezinski

I would say we've already passed the design and testing phases, and are now on the road of implementation.

Just remember the Anthrax scare in 2001. Ultimately it came from our own Labs, not some terrorist or "foreign nation", it was from the US. After all, we're the greatest nation on the planet, it's always some foreign nation's fault.

Gee, I read somewhere that because the permafrost is thawing, they found a virus thats thousands of years old.

Just imagine some idiot with a CRISPER, fucking around in their own, private, for profit medical lab. They screw something up, it gets out of the lab, and now we have a vaccine resistant virus or some other whacky virus on our hands.

Did anyone think about that?

Drinks

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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote

and thanks for the ZB quote! @RantingRooster

How’s the new digs working out?

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BASICS:
We've known all along, both as to the seasonal flu and the common cold. Wash hands early and often, Cover your mouth and/or nose when you cough or sneeze. Proper diet and liquids. If there are folks coughing and sneezing, avoid them. We've also known for ages (post Lister, I think, but not too long after) that masking up reduces the risk of getting and the risk of spreading airborne illnesses . Also avoid crowds because crowds increase the chance of contact or close proximity with somebody contagious. So a great many people were exhorted to and badgered into adhering much more closely to those behaviors and flu incidence declines.

FLU SHOTS
Covid somewhat straddled Flu season, Which is fall/winter. By Jan 9 2020, tons of flu shots had already been dispensed and many continued to be until first stay at home orders. Don't know when of if you normally get one, but, in the bay area, all the usual places were dispensing them in fall/winter 2019, CVS, Safeway, Walgreens, etc., plus clinics and all that. Beyond that, the bay area is a bit odd becasue some ungodly percentage of the population has Kaiser, and it's a big mother population too. Kaiser is an HMO, and ergo enormously into preventive medicine, they nag the hell out of everybody, even non-members to get vaccinated. When the first stay at home orders came out, they arranged for drive-thru flu shots at their facilities, I went to one, long fast moving lines of cars winding around the parking lots.

LOCKDOWNS

But the lockdowns force everyone to do the one thing guaranteed to spread influenza; close packed living spaces, don’t go outside, etc.

This never happened in CA,, and I doubt very much that it happened many other places. The whole "LOCKDOWN!!!" hobgoblin became a major talking point but the reality was not what the talking point alleged.

There are "close packed living spaces" with whole extended families living in a tiny apartment or dwelling, but I don't think that they are that widespread. The maximum stay at home orders in CA, which were portrayed by all those pushing the Lockdown hobgoblin as among the strictest out there actually encouraged people to get outside. Essential workers went to work, essential businesses (very broadly defined) stayed open. Trips for essential activities, like grocery shopping, getting hardware and household and pet supplies required masking up and the stores had to restrict the number of persons in the facility at any time and try to enforce "social distancing" (6 feet) Outdoors, if not solo, mask up and maintain 6 foot social distancing. The average person living in the average living conditions was not subject to being close packed, as in a subway, bus, lunch hour urban sidewalk or eatery. I personally know nobody not in some care facility whose living quarters could legitimately be described as "closely packed". and most non-institutional living quarters involved quasi-stable groups, like a family. Semi-isolation by family group is far safer and less likely to enhance the spread of the flu or anything else than frequent mingling with large numbers of random people who've been indulging in random wandering and mingling, which is the whole point of avoiding crowds. Living closely with the same small group every day is vastly safer than riding the subway every day, because the point is to avoid outside contagion sources.

Just FWIW.

be well and have a good one

EDITED TO INCLUDE HEADING FOR LOCKDOWN SECTION

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Now the CDC comes out and admits it’s basically useless as a prophylactic against the disease, it will Only mitigate the worst aspects of an infection.

and is there a paper or announcement I could try to track down?

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Read the original EUA at the cdc website? @enhydra lutris
I’m looking at the leaked info out of cape cod, depending on how the percentages are read 3 of 4(74%) or 4 of 5(79%) of the 460ish testing positive were fully vaxed with an average of 86(?) days since the jlaet jab. Unless I mis-read it.
The Israeli health minister reports 50% of the people testing positive were fully vaxed.
Or did I screw that one up as well?

As to the flu, I’m confused by your answer. You’re saying on the one hand it’s safer in small family units being locked down, but there wasn’t really a hard lockdown so people could still mingle enough to spread the covid(better than 85% of covid infections happened among households) and flu just wasn’t a factor this year.
I’m having difficulty with this. 38 million to (essentially) zero in one year?

I think I should stay out of rabbit holes.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

of other info out there, and then I wondered immediately "vaccinate" pr "fully vaccinated"? I'm still seeing a lot of info that in most places the vast majority of the new infections are the unvaccinated. There could be a lot of explanations for that deviation, so who knows. I mostly ignore Israeli information because its definitely not an ordinary situation.

As to covid v flu, forget the mingling and/or lockdown aspect. The normal flu isn't covid any more than it is the common cold. I'm looking at this like two different species, take all the proper precautions and such to minimize flue spreading because you're afraid of covid, and you will minimize flu. Covid may be more virulent (I don't know), but as I watched this farce unroll, even I could note that a ton of the covid local outbreaks were from "superspreadre events" and among those either definitely, or probably not following any of those precautions. Sturgis was totally wide open for the annual sturgis thing and the photos showed few masking, and probably tons of machissimo 'ignore those weenie rules" tyPe behavior. Bingo, there's a covid outbreak. CA has geographic locales dedicated to a handful of attitudes and beliefs that drive the populations not to take any appropriate precautions, and, sure enough they had worse stats. Did some of those folks also get the flu which was masked by covid? Possibly. can't say.

Transmission between family members only happens if somebody brings it home, like from school, work, or a buffet or such. Everybody in commuter intensive areas knows that children on public transit are disease vectors. If they aren't in school or on transit, then they aren't bringing it home for mom to give to dad, etc.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris especially Old People who are particularly vulnerable to the flu, ended up without a flu shot(no prophylaxis, even at 50%) AND we stop testing for it(no capacity to do so?) how do we know? Lack of data all around.
Putting our hands over our eyes to make the scary thing go away like a little kid Does Not Make It Go Away.
38 million to Zero is pretty hard to accept in Any situation.
iow, we won’t find it if we don’t look, and Nobody looked? Is that all it takes to eliminate it? /s

Oh and I think I mis-spoke aboutthe Israeli thing, I believe he was talking about the New outbreak.

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I know it is only anecdotal as far as you are concerned, but I know for a fact that a great number of people in the bay area got flu shots. Also, and more to the point, hand sanitizer was flying off of the shelves here, indicating a lot more of the type of hygene that would prevent the transmission of the flu. Ditto surface cleaning chemicals and wipes, and there was tons of masking, back when retail masks werre scarce, boatloads of people made their own as well as making them for distribution to others. Not N-95, but like all of the other precautions, it is a question of degree, especially when looking a the ordinary annual flu. OK. Also, there's this:

As of February 26, 2021, 193.8 million doses of flu vaccine have been distributed in the United States. This is the highest number of flu doses distributed in the United States during a single influenza season.

Current flu vaccination coverage among children is estimated to be 58.2% as of the week ending April 17, 2021 (MMWR week 15), lower than the 62.3% coverage estimated during the week ending April 18, 2020 (MMWR 15) in 2020.

Current season’s coverage is lower for all race/ethnicity groups compared with same time last year, with the largest drop of 8 percentage points among Black, non-Hispanic children.
Current season’s coverage for Black, non-Hispanic children is lowest at 48.0%, which is 12 percentage points lower than White, non-Hispanic children (60.2%).

For pregnant persons, estimated flu vaccination coverage at the end of March 2020 was 61.3% compared with 65.5% for the same time period during 2019.

Coverage for 2020-21 season for Black, non-Hispanic pregnant persons (36.5%) was nearly 25 percentage points lower compared with White, non-Hispanic pregnant persons (61.3%).
Coverage for all race/ethnicity groups was lower for 2020-21 compared with 2019-20; the greatest difference was for Black, non-Hispanic persons (36.5% for 2020-21 compared with 43.5% for 2019-20)

Preliminary available coverage estimates suggest flu vaccination uptake this season among all children and pregnant persons is lower than last season. Also, there is a disparity between vaccination coverage (comparing both during this season and compared with last season) among White, non-Hispanic children compared with Black, non-Hispanic children and Hispanic children. Flu vaccination uptake is lowest among Black, non-Hispanic pregnant persons compared with all other racial groups.

For vaccinations among all adults:
The latest data from CDC sponsored biweekly questions about influenza vaccination, from the IPSOS Knowledge Panel Omnibus survey fielded February 05-07, 2021, indicate that:
55% of all adults had received flu vaccine. These estimates are higher than the previous season’s (2019-2020) coverage estimates for adults, which were 45% by the end of January 2020 and 48% by the end of May 2020.

Coverage increased with age, from 45% for people ages 18-49, to 60% for people ages 50-64, and 80% for people age ≥65 years.

Coverage was lower among non-Hispanic Black adults compared to non-Hispanic White adults (50% vs. 58%).

Flu coverage among Medicare fee-for-service beneficiaries aged ≥65 years was 56.5% at the end of March 2021 (MMWR Week 12, 2020-2021) compared with 56.0% in March 2020 (MMWR Week 12, 2019-2020); more vaccinations were administered earlier in the 2020-21 season compared with 2019-2020 (coverage was 48.1% by the end of October 2020 (MMWR Week 44, 2020-2021) compared with 38.2% by the end October 2019) (MMWR Week 43, 2020-2021).

March 2021 represents the minimum coverage as some claims data are still being processed.
As of MMWR week 14 (ending April 10, 2021), an estimated 47.7 million adult flu vaccinations had been administered in pharmacies compared with 35.4 million for the same MMWR week during 2020 (35% higher in 2021).

As of MMWR week 14 (ending April 10, 2021), 32.8 million adult flu vaccinations were reported to have been administered in physician medical offices compared with 36.9 million for the same MMWR week in 2020 (11% lower in 2021).

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/fluvaxview/dashboard/vaccination-dashboard.html

Of course, that's from the CDC, so arguably all a lie and not data. According to jwatch in December 2020,

As of late November, some 188 million doses of influenza vaccine had been distributed across the U.S. — the highest number recorded in one flu season — the CDC reports.

They also tossed in this tidbit:

The CDC says: "While flu activity remains low at this time, the timing and duration of flu season can vary, and flu activity may increase in the coming weeks. People who have not gotten their flu vaccination yet should get vaccinated now, and vaccination should continue to be offered throughout the flu season, even into January or later."

You might also take a peek at this: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/flu-numbers-year-due-higher-vaccination-ra...
which includes this bit:

"I've definitely seen less flu this year," Dr. Simone Wildes, an infectious disease physician at South Shore Health, told ABC News. "Masks are key for this change, but another reason [for decreased flu] is ... we really pushed for a really big campaign this year to get people out to get vaccinated [against the flu] and I think people really heeded our recommendation to take the flu shot this year."

I know that there are sources out there actively "pushing the paradox" and it makes some sense to read, watch or listen to them, but not exclusively, IMHO.

be well and have a good one

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(Previously posted in wrong diary)

2020: A PROPAGANDA MASTERPIECE, PART ONE

A Conversation with Mark Crispin Miller, Professor of Media Studies at New York University
June 10th, 2021 - Brooklyn, New York

Interviewed by John Kirby

Edited by Francis Karagodins

Researched by Evan Dominguez and Billy Miller

“Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government,” wrote Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda. In part one of Episode 17, Mark Crispin Miller, professor of Media Studies at New York University, discusses the propaganda onslaught that defined the year 2020, when what was dismissed one week is confirmed the next, and why questioning official narratives "necessarily means taking ‘conspiracy theory’ seriously."

2020: A PROPAGANDA MASTERPIECE, PART TWO - Divide & Conquer

A Conversation with Mark Crispin Miller, Professor of Media Studies at New York University
June 10th, 2021 - Brooklyn, New York

Interviewed by John Kirby

Researched and Edited by Francis Karagodins and Evan Dominguez

Illustrated through July 30th, 2021

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society,” wrote Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda. In Episode 18 of Perspectives on the Pandemic, “Divide and Conquer”, Professor Mark Crispin Miller discusses in-depth the media’s “conscious and intelligent manipulation” of major events arising after the COVID rollout in the West. From the corporate hijack of the Black Lives Matter movement, to the fraudulent suppression of life-saving Covid treatments, to the “coup” on January 6th, Miller makes the case that the establishment seeks to inflame a fractured country. Masked vs. unmasked, vaxxed vs. unvaxxed, Red vs. Blue: the ultimate losers of this pro-wrestling drama may be both democracy and science.

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Some background; I’ve been told pointblank that the facts don’t matter, it’s not about facts, it’s about how I(they) FEEL!

I wish I could say it was "hard to believe" you could've been told this "point-blank", but I'd still really like to know who/where/when/why. Anybody who REALLY says this and means it has committed intellectual suicide, and is no longer any more a person than a tarantula infested by one of those godsawful parasitic fungi is still a tarantula.

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We live in a society in which "we live in a society" is considered a subversive and vaguely-threatening statement.

In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

@The Liberal Moonbat n/t

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@on the cusp I quoted him, and my comment was not a reply to anyone else's comment.

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We live in a society in which "we live in a society" is considered a subversive and vaguely-threatening statement.

In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

@The Liberal Moonbat I do sometimes lose track...

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@The Liberal Moonbat @The Liberal Moonbat detail, lets just say in my social/work circle and leave it at that.
Some otherwise Good People that also expressed the view that they don’t care what right wing policy Biden enacts, at least he’s Not Trump.

Save your rant partner, I’m Already there.

edit for clarity

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . .

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@Tall Bald and Ugly Did you try pointing out that this "person" has become everything it used to hate? As you know, what you're describing is the Post-Reagan/Atwater/Gingrich GOP mentality to a T.

Maybe the person is still inside, and can still be salvaged by a shock of self-awareness...maybe try digging up some of the best of The Colbert Report, like those protesters who fight SWAT-teamers armed with mirrors?

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We live in a society in which "we live in a society" is considered a subversive and vaguely-threatening statement.

In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

feedback folks.
Although I might have exasperated some people, I hope I didn’t piss anybody off.
I’m trying Not to(for a change)

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . .