How Hillary Clinton Lost Me...and How Bernie Sanders Won Me Over

So I wrote this at the Other Place as a response to Laura Clawson's front-pager on why she was supporting Clinton over Sanders. Had it sitting in my queue for a bit; others were saying it far more eloquently than me.

Then The Deadline was announced, and I decided to take a break. But I wanted to get this out there before it gets deleted by the software, sort of just my own 2 cents.

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I was on the fence for quite a while. When the Daily Kos straw polls came up, I was in the “No Freakin’ Clue” category. I was intrigued for a time with Martin O’Malley — I thought he was a fresh face that would bring some energy to the campaign.

And of course I thought about Hillary Clinton. It would be good to have a woman President for the first time in our history. I felt confident that she wasn’t going to regulate the uteri of my great-nieces, triple-lock LGBTs back in the closet, or turn this nation into a Christian theocracy.

I had qualms though, especially about her foreign policy. The vote for the Iraq War Resolution, and later on Kyl-Lieberman, still rankled. And there was this:

I’m probably one of those old-style “bleeding heart” liberals. And as a Christian, I cannot celebrate the death of any human being. I can breathe a sigh of relief, and mourn the loss of a life that could have been so much greater had different choices been made. But I certainly cannot laugh about it. Plus, Clinton’s pride in having Henry Kissinger as a friend and adviser admittedly scares the crap out of me, as does having her foreign policies praised by the likes of Robert Kagan:

“I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Mr. Kagan said, adding that the next step after Mr. Obama’s more realist approach “could theoretically be whatever Hillary brings to the table” if elected president. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” he added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”

When Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, she was for the most part acting on behalf of President Obama, under constraints that he put on her. There would be no such constraints with her as President. Robert Kagan and Henry Kissinger may feel comfortable with Clinton’s foreign policy — I’m not sure I can.

Clinton’s economic policies also gave me a pause for thought. Her idea to “means test” Social Security, which would turn it into just another welfare program, sounds like the first step in killing it just as my husband and I approach the age where we can start collecting. It’s getting harder and harder for average wage Americans to afford housing in many parts of the country. Young people are putting their lives on hold while they try and scrape up enough money to pay off student loans. And while a $12 minimum wage would be a sizable increase, it would still leave many Americans far short of being able to get by in this country. I go back to what Franklin Delano Roosevelt said in his statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act in 1933:

In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

Then I took a closer look at Bernie Sanders. I’d heard of him — Mr. Scribe would listen to him on the “Brunch with Bernie” segments on the Thom Hartmann show when he could pick it up on the XM car radio or if he was online. I was interested in what he had to say. And slowly, he won me over.

He didn’t pussy-foot around the subject. He spoke plainly — the system is rigged in favor of the wealthy in this country. We’re all in service to the wealthy and the corporations. But instead of just resigning ourselves to our fate, Sanders offered a different idea — fight back. We’ve seen in the past how people have fought for power, be it the Civil Rights marchers facing water cannons and armed marshals, the patrons of the Stonewall Inn deciding they’d had enough of living in the shadows, protesters proclaiming that we needed an end to the Vietnam War, ACT UP marching in the streets of SF and NYC and elsewhere demanding action on the AIDS crisis, and so many others.

And then I looked at his platform — bare bones at first but a work in progress, expanding and growing to respond to the needs of the country. Education — not just K-12 but beyond. Climate change — investing in fossil fuel alternatives and revitalizing our transportation infrastructure. Strengthening Social Security and reducing prescription drug costs — for us folks on the downhill side of 55 or 60, pretty darn important. Racial justice — not just physical violence (the killing of people of color by out of control police not held accountable for their activities) but political violence as well in the disenfranchisement of thousands through onerous Voter ID laws and other artificial barriers to voting, and legal violence such as the War on (Some) Drugs that saddles citizens with criminal records for non-violent drug offenses that could be better handled as a public health issue, keeping them in their communities and with their families.

I’ve been on this site for 11 years. One of the sayings of this site is that we need to elect “more and better Democrats.” I feel that for me, Bernie Sanders is that “better Democrat”. I don’t care that he didn’t wear the Democrat label for the majority of his career; it didn’t stop him from caucusing with the Democrats in both the House and the Senate, nor did it prevent him from getting committee assignments and chairmanships. Maybe as an “outsider” he’s better able to see where the Democrats have excelled...and where we still have work to do.

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I said in the past that I will probably mark Clinton's name on the ballot if she's the nominee as a protest against GOP insanity. But I'm still on the fence about that. Leaving the line blank is still an option; I did that with the Senate race in 2012 when I couldn't in good conscience vote for DiFi for another term (hoping she follows Boxer into retirement in a couple of years). I don't even know why I'm bothering to tell anyone how I plan to vote -- it should be no one's business but my own, but I guess I'm used to having to prove I'm a "true Democrat" to some folks on the Internets.

Peace.

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Damnit Janet's picture

I was over there for about as long as you. It's how we got to know each other and become friends and in real life hockey fan friends. Smile

As an anti-war and and anti-poverty house of four, I can't even begin to share how much I bit my tongue when it came to HRC. I think the "worst" thing I ever said over there about her was that I would never vote for her. I don't vote for Republicans.

As you know, I protested her several times. The last one was a fundraiser visit here in Portland back in the mid 2000s. She was begging for money for her Senate run in NY. It was one of the more nastier protests. My friends came out bruised and scratched. Veterans for Peace were there to charge her due to her voting right along with Bush.

I can't ever and would never vote for her.

I want to be able to look my children and possibly grandchildren in the eyes. Me and my kids are voting for Sanders. No matter what. I will write in his name and FIGHT.

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strategy is a deliberate attempt to stifle dissent.

It's a bit like how the NRA refuses to admit that guns exist for the sole purpose of killing things. If you can keep the argument on technical specifications, you don't have to discuss Moral issues.

If you can keep the discussion on winning the election, you don't have to discuss how evil the policies of the candidate are.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Lenzabi's picture

Bernie Sanders is our greatest hope to help start pushing the corporates back and out of our government right now.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

ZimInSeattle's picture

the BNR these days. I too will never vote Republican and that's why HRC won't get my vote. I'm feeling more confident every day though that I won't have to worry about it. Bernie is on a roll. He'll take WI by double digits; ditto for WY; then NY will definitely be in play. #NotMeUs.

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davidincleveland's picture

Scribe) for eleven actual years on the internet could ever have made any other choice. So good and so glad to see you here, full voice unfettered.

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Steven D's picture

Great post Cali Scribe. Just really great.

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jamess's picture

for that heartfelt post.

Curious, did you ever post it at kos's house of pains ?

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I never considered her. Ever.
I suggested she stay home and be a great grandma.
Never would I consider her or vote for her.
I felt that way long before Bernie entered the race.
Why would I vote for a criminal, even if BHO protects her?
I know I am not the only one.
She is everything I despise about lawyers and politicians.

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Never would I consider her or vote for her.
I felt that way long before Bernie entered the race.

Voting for a Rethug is not an option. It will never happen.

I didn't support her in '08 either - nor any of the other "frontrunner" candidates who all plagiarized each other and sounded exactly alike after a few weeks. I was set to do a write-in vote in '08, and then the Tundra Tramp started speaking, and less than a minute later I knew I'd have to vote against that dastardly duo; she could not be within literal or figurative walking distance of the Oval Office..., so Obama got my vote by default. I suspect he owes his presidency to her as a VP pick because the more rational and sane among us couldn't deal with that much stupid in politics. After all, we'd just survived eight years of Dumbya & Co., so anyone who could speak two sentences cogently was acceptable.

While I had already followed Bernie for several years and had been getting his newsletters, know his worth as an elected Rep and Senator, I came [] this close to writing in his name in '12 (Obama got my vote by default again; couldn't stomach the thought of rMoney), I was was ecstatic beyond belief when Bernie announced his candidacy!

I am convinced 2016 will be a pivotal election for this country, and the only reason we might get this planet back is if we start working on climate change and environmental threats this year, if possible, and no later than shortly after inauguration day 2017 if Bernie is our president. We should have started before 2000, but that's history so we will just have to suck it up and deal with the past errors by speeding up future clean energy and clean environmental projects. Without the assurance that we can get our planet back from murderous corporations, none of the other urgent matters that need tending to are important because we will be extinct, right along with other life forms going extinct. We need a place to live and thrive and there is no "Planet B." It matters to me because I have a granddaughter and new great-grandson, and I want a habitable planet for them to live on, as well as "free" health care (patterned after the Scandinavian models), and "free" education pre-K through college, and I want them to have Social Security when the time comes.

I don't know how far Bernie can get in moving Congress to DO something for a change, but I do know Hillary will do nothing except maintain the status quo, which would be disastrous for this planet and this country.

For me there is only one choice for president: Bernie Sanders.

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HRC and many of the GOP is thinner than a sheet of paper.

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Please do not judge us by the horrors that are Bill and Hillary Clinton.

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Twain Disciple

I mean seriously, there are SOO many horrors other than Billary!
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(com'on, somebody was gonna do it)

There ARE lawyers we should all greatly admire. Without these good people who are lawyers, there would be ZERO justice.

(*I reserve the right to hold my ex's divorce lawyer (of those of his ilk) in the poorest of regard*)

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
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Twain Disciple

Very well said! Did you ever post it at TOP? I would imagine with the climate over there now, that you might have been sanctioned for it, but your heartfelt support for someone who truly believes we need to move beyond the status quo is something that should be heard.

Now that the Ides of March rules have been put in place, TOP is becoming a ghost town for constructive dialog and a cheering section for the one who must not be named. I miss all the great diarists who have been made to feel so unwelcome by the owner, but I still drop by the read the daily BNR and to cheer on the remaining Bernie diarists.

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Samsnonnieh

Delphine and so many others said it way more eloquently, so I held back. As I said though, it was sitting in my queue and it was on my conscience not to let it slip away into the Ether(net) unpublished, but I refuse to post or even comment there until at least the convention (if then). Made that commitment on March 4 (my birthday, a bit ironically), and I'm holding to it. Not even rec'ing comments or posts, and have been spending a lot less time there. (Apologies for the late response -- I'm having some intermittent Internet issues in our current locale.)

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Commented. Never diaried.
Got flagged for comments saying I would never vote for her, even before the edict and purge.
I just stopped commenting.
Not sure, I might have been flagged for saying she was a good grandma.

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I can't vote for a republican either and we all no the old saying (if the shoe fits) and I believe hrc will wear it well.

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So much energy! Gorgeous weather. Tables inside for training volunteers to register voters, canvass, phonebank--all with lines of people waiting for training. A mural with the Bernie bird--handpainted yesterday afternoon--adorns the upstairs room. Gave away my extra "Bernie because fuck this shit" bumper sticker to the volunteer who's staying with us. Saw Bernie T-shirts, stickers, buttons, and hats everywhere. People of all ages. Food, music, bubbles, dogs, kids. Enthusiasm and commitment. Looked like the '60s (my peer group), and younger incarnations. Even some tie-dye. Smile It was positive and uplifting. Met people who've organized for Bernie in KS, ID, UT. They get it, all these people who've been sidelined for so long. Just being in a crowd like that is a contact high.

Oregon has been lighting up the phonebanking system nationwide. Yeah! And to hell with the MSM. If it's still possible to do this thing, if the rigging in the system doesn't preclude that happening, we sure have to try.

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work in Oregon, 2andfro.

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Vote for Hillary under ANY circumstances.

For the sake of the planet and our future generations a Hillary Clinton being effective in achieving her goals will be WORSE than a Donald Trump being ineffective in his pathetic attempts.

She has already helped to kill millions in the middle east, thousands of indigenous in Honduras and is more hawkish than George W. Bush. She has contributed significantly to promote fracking all over the world. This will lead to at least 1.5 billion human deaths.

NOT ME!!!

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If you do not understand that being part of the "establishment" is a slur in the minds of 99% of the U.S. population then you are completely out of touch and probably are one.

Donald Trump would be thwarted at every turn. Hillary, on the other hand, just like Bill, would work with Republicans to get more right wing legislation through and would involve us in more wars. Yes, she will "get things done." The wrong things. It's not that her and the other corporate Democrats' agenda is hidden. I am depressed that the Democratic Party rand and file contains so many sheep who will vote for someone simply because she is a well-known person with a "D" after her name. I will never forgive the Clintons for hijacking my party. It used to stand for something.

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Twain Disciple

It was back during the '90s Congressional hearings regarding the abomination she claimed was a national health care plan. I couldn't believe that the convoluted crap she and her partners were shovelling by the ton was intended to work better than what the private sector was offering (although it wasn't the greatest). I specifically remember her describing the bureaucratic nightmare one had to go through to get even the most basic care.

That was enough of her for me.

Yet I gave her another reluctant chance in 2008 after Obama turned me off with his FISA filibuster lie - UNTIL she played the race card, as it became evident that she was losing to him. I ended up voting for Jill Stein instead.

This election, I will write Bernie in rather than vote for her if she becomes the nominee.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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I couldn't believe that the convoluted crap she and her partners were shovelling by the ton was intended to work better than what the private sector was offering (although it wasn't the greatest). I specifically remember her describing the bureaucratic nightmare one had to go through to get even the most basic care.

That was enough of her for me.

Right with you on that one. And Obama's was no better.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

that the media give her some kind of CREDIT for her convoluted healthcare failure. Her much vaunted "experience" is, apparently, that she's a failure. A repeated failure.

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Twain Disciple

I agree. Before I ever heard of Bernie I knew I couldn't vote for Hillary. Yet nearly every day over on Kos Bernie supporters are being asked to promise to vote for her if she wins the nomination. Someone else told me that if we weren't true democrats we should get any support from the DNC (I asked which bodily fluid was needed to prove democrat bona-fides). HRC supporters use Drumpf and SCOTUS to try to use fear to get us to promise to vote HRC in November. But they rail at for Bernie or Bust. My vote is just that MY VOTE. I'll vote for whomever I damn well please. I too need to be able to look my daughters and my grandson in the eye and say I fought for you. I fought for your future. I fought for your planet.

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JerseyGirl

If she was black and male and she was running to be the first black President with the same positions and history that she has now would she be a good choice? I think Obama's race wasn't nearly the factor that the media tried to make of it. Yes it was very important, but his positions and personal history were more important. I think, overall, he served well as the first black President in a historical sense, albeit with a lot of pro-money, confounding positions. Likewise, I think it is important that a person with integrity, and a history a fighting only for the 99%, like Elizabeth Warren or Jill Stein, become the first woman President.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

I remember looking forward to the first woman Justice on the Supreme Court. Then it was Sandra Day O'Connor. Ugh. It would be nice if the first woman President weren't someone who nauseates me.

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