I met some Humans in Egypt

I have written about it here in another context, but I spent some five months in Egypt, and fell in love with the people. I am convinced that Egyptians have the best sense of humor, as a group, of anyone that I have met.

My time in Egypt was as a result of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. Someone decided I should help teach the Egyptian Air Force how to do aerial refueling so that they could help to bomb Saddam and his people. But the people I fell in love with were not interested in doing that...they were interested (as humans are all over the planet) in earning enough money to feed their families, to buy a nice present once in a while for their love, and most importantly, play practical jokes on their friends and even strangers.

My arrival in Egypt was supposed to be a secret. We parked our three airplanes way out in the desert. We brought tents with us, but we had flown all the way from North Dakota, and didn't have time to set them up, that first night. So we got on a bus, and went into Giza, and stayed in a tourist hotel run by Austrians. We were under strict orders not to leave the hotel that night. We wore civilian clothes, and were told to tell anyone that asked that we were Canadians, Eh? We didn't fool the Egyptians.

My friend Kelly, who always found trouble, and his copilot, decided to go explore the local area. We were very close to the pyramids, and all the tourist activity that surrounds them. There is an amazingly packed urban area, right at the edge of the desert escarpment where the pyramids stand, and people are jostling, shoulder to shoulder in the narrow streets, at all hours. A man was selling chances to sit and pose on a camel. Kelly took his offer, and gave him five dollars, and sat on the kneeling camel. The camel then stood up...rear legs first, a very disorienting habit, that took him by surprise. When all four legs were extended, Kelly had just managed to regain his balance when the camel man slapped his camel on the butt, laughing heartily. It ran, headlong through the crowded maze of alleys, for several blocks, through random twists and turns, and finally slowed to a stop. Kelly was lost. It was starting to get dark. Soon, a young boy stood at the feet of the camel, and offered to lead the camel back to the hotel...for $20.

We eventually settled into our tents, camping at the edge of a runway paved over the sand dunes. And even though it was a secret we were there, two cab drivers took up residence outside of our camp, near the desert road to Cairo. When any of us had time to go into town (about 30 miles), Abdullah and Muhammed were always there, ready to take us. We paid them...cheaply from our perspective, but outrageously compared to what they were used to. Over time, they became rather friendly with us. They would suggest interesting things to see, places to shop for local goods (usually run by a relative), and good places to get food. We paid them by the day, so we didn't mind wandering, and they were glad to do so. One day, after our business in town was done, Abdullah said, "today, I show you, two pyramid...one up, one down." We really had no idea what he meant, but rode along. He took us miles out into the fields, irrigated by canals from the Nile. When we were completely lost, he pulled to a stop on a small arched bridge over one of the canals. We all stepped out of the car. There in the distance was the Great Pyramid, and reflected in the water of the canal was another one...upside down. The fields were brilliant green with crops. It was a view I had never seen in any postcard, and Abdullah smiled and said, "One up, one down!"

Another time, they dropped us off at the Cairo Zoo. Admission to get in came to about 37 cents. We found that, for a dollar, the lion-keeper would very happily take us into the back of the lion enclosure, and we could feed them. There was a large iron fence between us and the lions, inside a man-made cave, and we threw very large hunks of meat, bones and all, over the fence. The noise as they crunched through the bones was incredible, echoing in the cave. When they were done eating, they all curled up to nap. One lioness was laying against the fence, right near me. The lion-keeper showed me how to reach through the bars and scratch her under the chin. I did, and she enjoyed it, stretching her neck, closing her eyes, and relaxing her lips, until her long yellow teeth were showing. Good kitty!

We had other adventures at the zoo, but as we were leaving, we noticed two young Egyptian men standing in front of another fence, with a giraffe standing behind them. They were motioning to an Egyptian woman with two boys, to come get their picture taken with the giraffe. The two boys stood in the middle, with the men on either side, and giraffe behind. As Mom raised her camera, ready to take a picture, one of the men slipped a long slice of sweet potato out of his back pocket, and set it on the younger boy's head. The giraffe bent down, and just as the mother snapped the picture, a giant black tongue wrapped around the sweet potato...and the boys head...and left behind a slimy black cowlick. The boys screamed, the mother screamed, and gathered them up, and ran away; the two men doubled over with laughter...and quickly spotted a mother pushing a stroller.

One day, I had business at the Embassy, and Muhammed took me downtown. There were no lines on the wide boulevards, and the dense traffic was continually shifting into more, or fewer, lanes in each direction..dependent on the courage of the drivers. Muhammed was braver than most. He would often dodge in between oncoming traffic to pass a car, then dodge back. I was just as often grabbing the dashboard with my right hand, and looking for an imaginary brake pedal with my foot. Muhammed turned to me, and smiled a wide grin, and said, "you need to relax; I am a good driver, and I am a good muslim. And besides...I am very lucky!" His grin widened to show his teeth.

Another trip downtown with Muhammed, me again, alone with him, in the front seat. We had, over the past months, talked about his family, his religion, his government...as well as my own. He liked to compare notes. Today he was quiet, pensive. Finally, he said, looking straight ahead, "The Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him, has said that we can have as many as four wives." He leaned toward me, and lowered his voice, and said, "just between you and me...I don't think it was such a good idea."

My time in the Air Force took me to England, Scotland, Norway, Iceland, Canada, Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Guam, Australia, Spain, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq, as well as Egypt. The Egyptians were my favorites, but everywhere, most people are the same. They fall in love, they marry, they raise their kids, they enjoy food and drink. Much moreso than I see in the US, they live with their extended family, and that becomes the center of their lives. They have little control and usually not much concern about what happens outside that circle...unless their country is actively at war. When it is, they can be manipulated to hate whoever their leaders want them to hate...and to kill and die for their leaders. It's not a normal part of their lives. It's certainly not what they would do, if left alone.

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For 3 weeks in 2009 and we adored Egypt, and the people more than anywhere else in the world we've been since. The driving made us no longer afraid of public transportation anywhere else because we lived through Cairo AND we lived through crossing streets (but only with the help of locals. Wink

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there were 14 million people there. I noticed that one million of them were in cars, and the other thirteen million were trying to cross the street.

There were policemen on little red and white stands, in the middle of major intersections. They were invariably small men, standing on their platform, dressed in a black, martial uniform, with tall white hats...waving their arms, blowing their whistles, as everyone around them completely ignored them.

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red light in the whole city that we saw!

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I really like the picture you painted with your story telling.

I'd have needed a pill to ride in that cab, but the lion scratching would have been wonderful!

More, please!

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Who I worked with in a discussion about the Camp David Peace Accord, was so adamant about being at peace with Israel, that it doesn't surprise me one bit that the peace accord has held even through the changes of Arab Spring in Egypt...

My Squadron CO in tech school at Keesler AFB was a former KC-135 driver, and I remember a "Gas Passer" certificate he had hanging on his wall. I had a rather long wait for my class to start so I was playing on an orderly detail out of the squadron office while waiting. He was the perfect Light Colonel to get to know after being terrorized by Staff Sergeants in basic, very relaxed...

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This flatulent Colonel?

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Extensive Hard Drive Search to remember his name, it was back in the mid 70's so it may have been deleted, maybe the FBI can recover the file...

I do remember him talking about Blytheville AFB, which was later renamed Eaker AFB...

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I was just curious to see if it was someone I knew...not all that likely.

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Retired long before your time...

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everywhere, most people are the same.

I'll go further. They are exactly like us with some different ways of doing things. When you get to the bottom line each of them wants exactly what each of us wants for themselves, their families, and their community. It is when you come to the place you can expand your sense of community to include all people that you begin to understand how important it is to choose to lose that which you imagine divides us. Mostly, we imagine wrong.

I'm in my fifth year of retirement from 38 years of flying. Twenty years of that time was international. Like you I've been all over the world except South America and Antarctica. I have to admit I miss the flying and all of the people I met in so many places. I have lousy language skills but I still tried to go native where ever I was. I tended to avoid the touristy stuff opting instead for local. I always found ways to communicate with and enjoy being with whoever I met. A souk in Morroco, the Louvre, an alley market in Seoul, a dive bar somewhere in Kowloon my crazy captain dragged me to, watching the World Cup match between Ghana and the US on a huge screen beside a park from the roof of a local restaurant Accra, Ghana, sipping saki from self heating cans with the elderly Japanese speaking owner of a closet size liquor store in Osaka, sitting out a torrential rainstorm under an umbrella on a concrete table with a local hawker and his hibachi, cooler, and tiger prawns in Singapore , or in a billiards club on Bondi Beach in OZ listening to a Scot singing Neal Diamond songs better than Neal they are all just like us when you sit down and just be yourself. It never failed to amaze me how people are just people

I've learned a few things from cab drivers too. I spent a couple years flying out of JFK. Most of the flying I could hold at my seniority was on the 747 freighter. Most of those trips began at midnight and ended early one morning a week or two later. We'd get to JFK at 6 AM and need to be at LaGuardia for 7 AM flights home. Missing that one left you with a 3+ hour wait for the five hour commute home. Getting to LGA was a very high priority after being up all night. I learned to think very hard before offering the cab driver an extra $20 if he got us there in time for our flights. Driving on sidewalks and smashing trashcans in alleys is fine for the movies. That stuff isn't real but I learned that some NYC cab drivers don't know it.

Third world cab drivers are an earlier, slightly less evolved breed. Bangkok traffic and tuk-tuk drivers are world renowned but they have serious competition. My two favorite cab rides were in Mumbai. Favorite might not be the right word but I'll definitely never forget them. The top spot goes to a cabbie who was taking the three of us pilots and one of our newish flight attendants to a favorite dinner spot. Traffic was just plain crazy. Chaos fails to describe Mumbai traffic. I'm sitting in the front with our driver while the other three are crammed together in the back of an Indian copy of a 50+ year old Fiat design. A poor copy but at least the car seemed to be old enough to be a real Fiat. This was a good taxi. Lanes, traffic signals, traffic cops!, sidewalks (the two or three that exist), and turn signals/brake light mean absolutely nothing. We're bouncing around in this rickety tin can as it crashes through potholes, bobs and weaves, careening through traffic, around other vehicles, people, and stuff. The driver is staring straight ahead chattering away with one hand banging on the horn button. I don't know if it was my left hand on the dashboard and the right with a death grip on the "Oh Gawd" handle that made him ask if I had ever driven in Mumbai. I admitted to him I didn't have the courage to do so. He said, "It is very easy. There are only two rules: ignore all of the traffic regulations and honk the horn a lot." That explained everything. His howling partially blocked by "beeep, beep, beeeeep!!" said more.

One of the more common vehicles in India resembles the three wheeled Cushman carts, the ones with a bed on the back, often seen driven by greens keepers on golf courses. They are everywhere, usually configured as busses. Gypsy public transportation at its finest. One of my first officers on this trip was on his first trip to India. Seeing one of these things packed with people he asks how many people can fit on one. Perfectly deadpan the driver says, "It will hold 21." We all nod and, instantly, a new game is invented. Find a three wheeled cab holding more than 21 people. There were lots of ties yet I don't know anyone who ever counted more than 21. Besides, what a fine way to take your mind off impending death.

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It is when you come to the place you can expand your sense of community to include all people that you begin to understand how important it is to choose to lose that which you imagine divides us.

As I have tried to explain about Socialism...It's just taking care of your family. And you have a bigger family than you think.

I notice that people in some other countries laugh a lot more, and louder. Turkey, Egypt, Australia...the most for me. I have not been to India, but my brother has a business there, and just loves it.

When I was in Turkey, I rode in a dolmuş (dole-moosh), a "little bus". It was the Toyota copy of a Vanagon. Counting the driver, and the boy sitting backward on the dash taking our fares (1000 lira bills), there were 22 people in the bus...not counting chickens and one goat.

P.S. I will have been flying Boeing aircraft for 30 years, in July. Other aircraft before that. Not sure how much longer I can (or want to) keep this up.

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We are all in this life together. Accepting that truth and acting on it in everything we do is enough.

The happiest people I've known are those who know they're tied to their community. I find that most of them usually have little else except each other yet they're completely OK with their place in the world. How odd that the rest of us would trade happiness and community for lots of stuff and the inevitable fear of losing it or having it stolen and what that fear does to them as humans. I don't know if there is a connection but there seems to be. The next most happy group tends to be of people who might have more than their share of stuff but who are always there to help their fellows when needed. The least happy group is those who can't ever have enough. Their hunger consumes their humanity.

I use a borrowed response to questions about whether I miss flying. I miss the clowns but not the circus. There are some absolutely amazing people in the flying game. Not just pilots either. Most of them could be doing almost anything they chose to do but they'd been bit by the flying. I miss them as well as the experience of taking a jet and going somewhere different in the world. I have never done same and routine well for very long. I traded having the world at my feet for living and reliving groundhog day. It was the right decision because I was more than done with what the circus had become but I was not really ready to give up flying. The two, though, are inextricably connected so I walked away from it when it was time. I'm OK with that and you will be too when it is time. You'll know.

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transported in delight. My doctor is an Egyptian immigrant. We laugh: I came from the southern tip and he from the northern tip. He's one of the few people who gets me. I'm his favourite nutter, I think. I quit filters (the ciggie ones even earlier) when I understood that ptsd is my forever state of being. So all my shite makes him laugh throughout the interview. Yesterday, I told him to take a bum sleeping meds he'd given me back to his home, feed it to one of his chicken and see if it falls over. He just laughed.

When old saddam thought Bush the elderberry had given him the go-ahead to go teach those usurious kuwaitis a lesson and get some "compensation, I was in the Negev. I had gone there (ah, long story) to work as a farmhand on a moshav in the Negev, half-way between Beersheba and Eilat. It was good, soul-restoring work - also a five-month stay. I left when elderberry realized his oopsie and fucking destroyed Irag. Jeebus Murphy that family's karma is so bad - the universe is gonna enjoy making them eat their karma over the coming millennia.

Anyway, we foreign workers had a pub in the moshav bunker. We had great chats with the Arab workers at night over a beer. They helped us grasp Israeli apartheid. I'm from South Africa and so we had lots of notes to compare. None us liked the Israelis. Talk about karma.

The Negev restored my soul and put me back on the path (including the one that kept the landmines form blowing my tractor to shit.) I've had a lot of good things happen to me in deserts: the Kalahari, the Karoo, the Negev, and the UAE. Nothing can take away the memories; they feed me every day.

Amazing post, mate, big TY. I hope you find time to bring us more. Best wishes,

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you have some stories we want to hear, too.

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I really don't need the -ism either, and just prefer being a part of a community. My statement above was my attempt to reduce it to that most basic level. As a pilot, I fall squarely into your second (next most happy) group, and that works fine, for me.

Besides being a pilot, I have gathered eggs, taped drywall, built park-sized trains, driven steam locomotives, played in bands, run a backhoe, remodeled houses, waited tables, maintained ski trails...what else? 23 years at one company, driving the bus now...it's turning into Groundhog Day. Not much longer. I have a car and a house to pay off.

(I can't ever seem to respond with the right button...this is a response to vtcc above.)

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is probably a clear sign we're both in that second group and among friends.

I didn't begin this life in that group. My parents didn't have a pot to piss in. My mother's family always seemed to me to be too willing to accept being solidly middle class with no ambition to do more. My father's family was a pack of intelligent fuck ups who went through life acting like just wanting something was all that was necessary to be entitled to it. I now understand the apparent lack of ambition to be gratitude for what they have and acceptance of their position in the world. They were always able to enjoy life through the tough times and need by relying on one another. It's hard to understand that the gratitude and acceptance in one and the chip on the shoulder of the other could have been found in children of the depression era. I guess we don't all have the ability to learn the same lessons despite shared experience. Damned human isn't it?

I think of myself as being a member of the lucky sperm club. Smart enough to do what I dreamed with the drive to do the work. The luck part comes from being the right gender and race in a racist, sexist society. My peers from childhood without those two were almost universally non-starters despite being my equal. My life as it is wouldn't have been possible without people in my young life who encouraged, pushed, and helped me. I essentially set my sights on getting an engineering degree and military flying. No flight plan, no resources but somehow all of my dreams, with the exception of a couple of details, worked out despite my best efforts.

The only parts I will claim for my own are my failings and showing up. It was my screw ups and failings that finally taught me to accept that I'm mostly a post turtle. From there it isn't hard to know I have much to give back. And I don't do nearly enough of that either.

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resonates strongly with me. Did you read my other essay, about the Purpose of War? I wrote about how I got into flying...you might find some similarities.

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but i don't recall what you wrote. I'll take a peek in a bit.

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There are similarities in our stories. My father was an AF enlisted weather guesser. His last duty station was Lockbourne in Columbus, OH, now Rickenbacker. The new NCO quarters were off the end of the runway where we had the pleasure of experiencing incredible streams of B-47 MITOs. The place literally shook so bad stuff fell off counters and walls. There were also KC-97, straight wing F-84, and F-86H interceptors based there. One wonderful day my father arranged to take me to the hangars. I sat in an F-84 and an F-86 that day. I was five and hooked on airplanes.

Family lore says that my father had received a spot promotion to Master Sgt from Gen. LeMay himself at Lockourne. He'd saved the flying portion of an ORI from cancellation with a spot on forecast after the headquarters weather boys wanted it postponed. He was one of the youngest MSgts in the AF at that time. Being six by then and in first grade I don't remember any of it. I don't know if he was bi-polar but I do know he was an alcoholic with a bad attraction to gambling and women. Not long after the promotion he went on a week long bender and AWOL charges put a crimp in his career. He was offered an opportunity for rehab and a two stripe bust but took the BCD instead.

The only other thing he was good at was bowling. I'm told he could have been a pro but he loved booze, dice, and fast women more. Three years later, a few months after my youngest brother and third sibling was born, he split for the final time. I was eight and never saw him again. We survived by relying on family until my mother got her GED and a good union job with the phone company. I spent every school year 300 miles away with my mother's oldest, 19 years! older, sister and her husband. She was an elementary teacher and he had been a saw mill owner until multiple heart attacks and strokes wrecked good their life. He worked for the state as a highway inspector. He was also a complete dick. Living with them most of the year left me with a certainty that I could do anything I set my mind to doing. They are a major reason I got to move into the second group instead of a life in search of a pot to piss in.

I had set my mind to fly. I had learned that I had a decent math and analytical aptitude. Engineering seemed like a logical road to flying. ROTC was the only available path and I knew I could find both at VPI, Va. Tech. Full time corps of cadets within an otherwise civilian university with a nationally renowned undergraduate school of engineering was the next best thing to the zoo in my mind. (I had no idea how hard it was going to be and I can't tell you how I made it through my rat year. My buddies helped without any doubt. The one time I thought I couldn't do it any more was saved by another uncle's words. He'd gone across Europe with Patton's Third Army and had told my mother that I wouldn't make it. His words: "Better men than him have failed there." She picked the perfect time to tell me. Mothers.) I put all my eggs in that basket, for not the first or last time, and got accepted with no thought about how to pay for it. 70-80 hours a week earned about $1000 in savings to pay expenses through the school year and a student loan paid for the first two quarters but I was well short for the third quarter of my rat year. My mother took a $900 loan from the credit union and I made it through the first year. There would be no repeat as she was completely tapped out having bought a very small house for her, my three siblings, and my grandmother. I left Tech in June with no idea how I would return for a second year.

Maj. Raymond Purdue, MAC navigator and now the ROTC detachment XO, had taken a liking to me. He helped me apply for a three year ROTC scholarship. (He even found a USAFA appointment for me that spring. I said he had to be crazy if he thought I'd do another rat year. He smiled and said he understood.) The guy was a savior and my mentor until he returned to MAC before my senior year. He was a Tech and corps grad as well. I really owe that guy. I still did 70-80 hours a week during the summer and over the Christmas break but my clueless fumbling through life prevailed.

I graduated in July 1973, one summer session late. The last two years of ROTC didn't count towards an engineering degree. I took 20 or 21 quarter hours every quarter my last two years (for a total of 231) but a busted differential calculus course spring quarter of my sophomore year was too much to make up. Instead of a UPT slot in June 1973 I managed to get stuck behind the 1973 oil embargo and didn't get to Reese until April 1974. That and not being first in my UPT class cost me my only regret. I didn't get fighters and had burned any bridges by being adamant about not wanting ATC. Guys behind me in the standings took them and I was left to the luck of the draw by being the first class not to have their choice of a block of assignments.

Forty one years later it doesn't matter. I would not be where I am in life or who I am absent that chain of events. I don't know, can never know, how it would have been different. I only know that it would be. I'll take who I am and my history without reservation.

I'm pretty sure that is way more than you asked but it's what I do.

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Enough in common to have a pretty good understanding of each other's path, and motivations. I knew nothing about ROTC until I was in the Zoo...pretty naive, and just 'winging it'. I did have some pretty extraordinary help, though, in learning to fly, but that, and how I washed out of pilot training, I am saving for another time Smile

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The previous narrative lead to the second half of my almost 11 years of active duty. Just shy of six years and ~3k hours as a T-37 IP, flight commander, and PIT, the instructor school, IP and flight examiner. Who would have thought that someone as adamant about never, ever wanting to be a UPT IP would actively campaign for a job there. What's more, I found I was damned good at it. My year as a flight commander is the best year of my life despite a totally fucked up personal life at the time. I've never been as challenged or loved a job as much. It is only much later in my life that I learned how dangerous it was for me to get exactly what I want and how good it could be getting what I didn't think I wanted.

I never had one of my students wash out. I had one bust out in T-38s. He wouldn't do the work with out constant supervision and a cattle prod. He was one of my first student who I managed to somehow drag through the program. In the process I managed to learn everything that I was ever to need afterward about surviving with a student intent on killing me. He and others like him are the only ones I ever felt satisfied to see leave the community of aviators. Having the aptitude and ability to grab the offered gift but not being willing to make the effort is as close to unimaginable to me as anything I know.

Every other student, mine and the ones with deficiencies, at least gave their best. UPT is unforgiving in that respect. Only a few crossed my path who had no chance to get wings. Most could have succeeded with enough training which is exactly the one resource not allowed. I was given 3 or 4 students who were given a last chance after being eliminated an elimination board. The wing commander reinstated them and gave them another chance in a different flight. Each of them managed to meet standards with me and went on to get their wings. They are high points I didn't recognize at the time. They did, not me, but I still look at those successes as a form of giving back.

I look forward to your story if only because I know the story of one pilot who got his wings after once washing out.

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a few days to a week, then.

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Is this something I am doing, or just a glitch?

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