I also don't think Bernie has sold out. By little bits and quietly, he's still doing what he can.
Although I lack my preferred direct evidence for it, I'm still convinced that the Deep State and its gazillionaire bosses have some significant major threat aimed at Bernie. "We know where you live!" raised to the power of the entire State of Vermont.
Until the forces which have done this to Bernie (and probably AOC and others as well) are publicly and directly exposed by name, we won't have access to any nice things. It's just the way things are.
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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
He has been advocating for people long before I came across him on Thom Hartman radio program years ago. His problem is that his decency deprives him of the ability to go after the jugular vein of those who oppose his policies.
During the last primary he should have torn into Warren and Biden amongst others but unfortunately that is not how he operates.
@humphrey
that's the Occam's razor's answer..
He's just a nice guy
That is part of his problem!
He has been advocating for people long before I came across him on Thom Hartman radio program years ago. His problem is that his decency deprives him of the ability to go after the jugular vein of those who oppose his policies.
During the last primary he should have torn into Warren and Biden amongst others but unfortunately that is not how he operates.
@humphrey
that this is his vulnerability. Bernie would not be Bernie if this trait wasn't part of his fundamental character. I very much would have liked to see him be more aggressive but not at the cost of who he is. Refusing to abide by his principles in every situation and not just when it is convenient, even to get what he has fought his entire life to achieve, is still a violation of the principles that make him who he is. As much as I'd love some wins, I'll take Bernie being Bernie as he is.
We've endured four years of the naked truth about people whose only principle is themselves winning and getting what they want at any price to anyone. I don't want that staring back at me in the mirror. If I'm correct, Bernie doesn't either.
That is part of his problem!
He has been advocating for people long before I came across him on Thom Hartman radio program years ago. His problem is that his decency deprives him of the ability to go after the jugular vein of those who oppose his policies.
During the last primary he should have torn into Warren and Biden amongst others but unfortunately that is not how he operates.
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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
#2 that this is his vulnerability. Bernie would not be Bernie if this trait wasn't part of his fundamental character. I very much would have liked to see him be more aggressive but not at the cost of who he is. Refusing to abide by his principles in every situation and not just when it is convenient, even to get what he has fought his entire life to achieve, is still a violation of the principles that make him who he is. As much as I'd love some wins, I'll take Bernie being Bernie as he is.
We've endured four years of the naked truth about people whose only principle is themselves winning and getting what they want at any price to anyone. I don't want that staring back at me in the mirror. If I'm correct, Bernie doesn't either.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness
“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.” is the law of the jungle. Look at the state of our people and our country to see the result of this mindset. I hope you’re at the top of the food chain. Otherwise you’re a snack. That is what you’re advocating whether you see it or not.
@vtcc73
to not wear a "kick me" sign on your back.
Harry Truman said it best, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!"
#2.2.1 “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.” is the law of the jungle. Look at the state of our people and our country to see the result of this mindset. I hope you’re at the top of the food chain. Otherwise you’re a snack. That is what you’re advocating whether you see it or not.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness@The Voice In the Wilderness
50 years in politics and a reputation for principled stance and working for the disadvantaged among us, rather successfully at that, suggests otherwise. No, he's being criticized and has lost the more, let's say, impatient among us because he wouldn't fight the fight as politics is played in the 21st century. He wouldn't burn down the house and his reputation when he was clearly cheated. He's chosen to live to fight another day which at his age is puzzling. You're right that he could have taken a less destructive approach but chose not too. He's also guilty of not bothering to tell us why. Not that any of us have a valid claim to demanding an explanation. (It's probably along the lines of Mark Twain's thoughts on why we should never explain.) Fair criticism but he's been true to his past actions and is still doing what he's done with some success all these years. I'm also thinking he'll leave the kitchen only when he joins the choir invisible.
When both parties, practically every politician and elected representative, corporations, the media, and the billionaire class are against you and have no ethical or financial boundaries, success is probably not a high probability proposition. Who needs a "Kick me" sign?
I'd love to understand why he didn't choose to fight the DNC and rigged primaries harder. I think he could have taken on both without burning down the house or helping trump by damaging the Dems. He didn't. That's his choice, not ours. The ire of those who don't like it probably won't keep him awake at night. Bernie will keep on being relevant in the ways he's able to be like he has in the past.
We either want better people in elected office or we don't. Bernie for his failings and shortcomings has been a steady presence his entire career. Who else in national politics can compare? How many of the latest and greatest from the past couple of cycles still look attractive? I think the answer says a lot about the quality of the people in politics but I think it says a lot more about us.
#2.2.1.1
to not wear a "kick me" sign on your back.
Harry Truman said it best, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!"
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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
"I think the answer says a lot about the quality of the people in politics but I think it says a lot more about us."
#2.2.1.1.1#2.2.1.1.1 50 years in politics and a reputation for principled stance and working for the disadvantaged among us, rather successfully at that, suggests otherwise. No, he's being criticized and has lost the more, let's say, impatient among us because he wouldn't fight the fight as politics is played in the 21st century. He wouldn't burn down the house and his reputation when he was clearly cheated. He's chosen to live to fight another day which at his age is puzzling. You're right that he could have taken a less destructive approach but chose not too. He's also guilty of not bothering to tell us why. Not that any of us have a valid claim to demanding an explanation. (It's probably along the lines of Mark Twain's thoughts on why we should never explain.) Fair criticism but he's been true to his past actions and is still doing what he's done with some success all these years. I'm also thinking he'll leave the kitchen only when he joins the choir invisible.
When both parties, practically every politician and elected representative, corporations, the media, and the billionaire class are against you and have no ethical or financial boundaries, success is probably not a high probability proposition. Who needs a "Kick me" sign?
I'd love to understand why he didn't choose to fight the DNC and rigged primaries harder. I think he could have taken on both without burning down the house or helping trump by damaging the Dems. He didn't. That's his choice, not ours. The ire of those who don't like it probably won't keep him awake at night. Bernie will keep on being relevant in the ways he's able to be like he has in the past.
We either want better people in elected office or we don't. Bernie for his failings and shortcomings has been a steady presence his entire career. Who else in national politics can compare? How many of the latest and greatest from the past couple of cycles still look attractive? I think the answer says a lot about the quality of the people in politics but I think it says a lot more about us.
...for the people knows the people will betray him or her. They know better than to risk themselves for the people.
As long as people sit silently while Julian Assange is slow-murdered right in front of our faces — they are people who are not worth fighting for. Collectively, they are little more than debris in an unspeakably corrupt nation. The gullible pea-brained peanut gallery of noisy hate.
"I think the answer says a lot about the quality of the people in politics but I think it says a lot more about us."
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IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
I thought of you when I read something recently from a political pundit/blogger who used to be a regular on ’The Panel’, a National NZ Radio program. He hasn’t been invited back to the program in at least 5 years, but writes his own blog and cross-posts at 'The Daily Blog'. If you're at all interested in a NZ perspective, check the references out, in addition to journalist Gordon Campbell who is somewhere in-between more mainstream Radio NZ, and the (usually) more progressive blogs I linked.
This is part of a comment in response to the article linked…
The National Party [subsitute Republican Party] is increasingly irrelevant, rather like a bunch of dinosaurs living on a planet that has been hit by an asteroid. They felt the Earth shake but haven’t yet experienced the tidal wave, the dust cloud and the volcanism. Those are coming very soon, along with extinction … Undoubtedly, there will be many ‘headless chickens running round the yard’ quite soon … But there’s no telling them. They ‘know better than us’, these wizards of global finance, firmly locked into denial of reality and exhibiting delusions of grandeur, these ‘masters of the universe’.
I hope that the Labour Party (substitute the Democratic Party) has a bit more of a fighting chance.
...for the people knows the people will betray him or her. They know better than to risk themselves for the people.
As long as people sit silently while Julian Assange is slow-murdered right in front of our faces — they are people who are not worth fighting for. Collectively, they are little more than debris in an unspeakably corrupt nation. The gullible pea-brained peanut gallery of noisy hate.
...for the people knows the people will betray him or her. They know better than to risk themselves for the people.
As long as people sit silently while Julian Assange is slow-murdered right in front of our faces — they are people who are not worth fighting for. Collectively, they are little more than debris in an unspeakably corrupt nation. The gullible pea-brained peanut gallery of noisy hate.
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
to ‘speaking out’ about anything sensitively political these days. Seems like a fleeting spark that is quickly extinguished. As much as Sanders or anyone else speaks out about worthwhile issues, the essence gets quickly buried by the next inflammable thing.
@janis b
a tv ratings issue, hasn't it?
Bernie famously used his first Amendment rights to protest, getting arrested for it in the process.
The Assange case is the most important challenge to the first Amendment since McCarthy had his rampage. It matters if our elected officials can justify wiping out that Amendment.
to ‘speaking out’ about anything sensitively political these days. Seems like a fleeting spark that is quickly extinguished. As much as Sanders or anyone else speaks out about worthwhile issues, the essence gets quickly buried by the next inflammable thing.
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
in support of the first amendment are the ones that determine its fate.
#2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 a tv ratings issue, hasn't it?
Bernie famously used his first Amendment rights to protest, getting arrested for it in the process.
The Assange case is the most important challenge to the first Amendment since McCarthy had his rampage. It matters if our elected officials can justify wiping out that Amendment.
@vtcc73
He doesn't belong in politics. Or rather, his function is to act as a Judas Goat.
#2.2.1.1.1#2.2.1.1.1 50 years in politics and a reputation for principled stance and working for the disadvantaged among us, rather successfully at that, suggests otherwise. No, he's being criticized and has lost the more, let's say, impatient among us because he wouldn't fight the fight as politics is played in the 21st century. He wouldn't burn down the house and his reputation when he was clearly cheated. He's chosen to live to fight another day which at his age is puzzling. You're right that he could have taken a less destructive approach but chose not too. He's also guilty of not bothering to tell us why. Not that any of us have a valid claim to demanding an explanation. (It's probably along the lines of Mark Twain's thoughts on why we should never explain.) Fair criticism but he's been true to his past actions and is still doing what he's done with some success all these years. I'm also thinking he'll leave the kitchen only when he joins the choir invisible.
When both parties, practically every politician and elected representative, corporations, the media, and the billionaire class are against you and have no ethical or financial boundaries, success is probably not a high probability proposition. Who needs a "Kick me" sign?
I'd love to understand why he didn't choose to fight the DNC and rigged primaries harder. I think he could have taken on both without burning down the house or helping trump by damaging the Dems. He didn't. That's his choice, not ours. The ire of those who don't like it probably won't keep him awake at night. Bernie will keep on being relevant in the ways he's able to be like he has in the past.
We either want better people in elected office or we don't. Bernie for his failings and shortcomings has been a steady presence his entire career. Who else in national politics can compare? How many of the latest and greatest from the past couple of cycles still look attractive? I think the answer says a lot about the quality of the people in politics but I think it says a lot more about us.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I don't think it can ever be a part of the problem to be fundamentally decent.
That is part of his problem!
He has been advocating for people long before I came across him on Thom Hartman radio program years ago. His problem is that his decency deprives him of the ability to go after the jugular vein of those who oppose his policies.
During the last primary he should have torn into Warren and Biden amongst others but unfortunately that is not how he operates.
He doesn't DO anything offensive, and gives peeps reason to vote D.
I have been stepping away from party politics because of Bernie, and paying more attention to propaganda, thanks to Bernie.
I know you are not a fan of Caitlin, but her essay featured in the ebs tonight is voicing my opinion.
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Playing Devil's Advocate: If the Clintons were Republicans in disguise, then how come the GOP always hated them? I haven't forgotten how things were in the 1990s, when the GOP was so grotesquely, irrationally partisan (everything Ao Oni would later become in reaction to Trump) that one of my running 9/11 not-even-really-a-conspiracy hypotheses is that the Bush Regime ignored the outgoing Clinton Administration's warnings about bin Laden out of sheer partisan spite (Karl Rove certainly would've cared about nothing more at the time).
As for Bernie, you might say he really is the well-meaning-and-well-informed-but-ultimately-spineless character we used to believe Ao Oni was - but there's still no excuse nor need for his cuddling up with/making excuses for abusive sociopaths.
Give me a candidate who has the political agenda and personal virtue of a Bernie Sanders, and the in-your-face attitude and media savvy of a Donald Trump!
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In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
@The Liberal Moonbat
Not today's neoconfederate fascist party. Why did Clinton run as a Democrat? Because he wasn't a member of the ruling class, they wouldn't let him in. But he was smart. He saw that if you suck up to business and say the right things to the rabble that you don't really mean, you can get elected.
Playing Devil's Advocate: If the Clintons were Republicans in disguise, then how come the GOP always hated them? I haven't forgotten how things were in the 1990s, when the GOP was so grotesquely, irrationally partisan (everything Ao Oni would later become in reaction to Trump) that one of my running 9/11 not-even-really-a-conspiracy hypotheses is that the Bush Regime ignored the outgoing Clinton Administration's warnings about bin Laden out of sheer partisan spite (Karl Rove certainly would've cared about nothing more at the time).
As for Bernie, you might say he really is the well-meaning-and-well-informed-but-ultimately-spineless character we used to believe Ao Oni was - but there's still no excuse nor need for his cuddling up with/making excuses for abusive sociopaths.
Give me a candidate who has the political agenda and personal virtue of a Bernie Sanders, and the in-your-face attitude and media savvy of a Donald Trump!
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Liberal Moonbat@The Liberal Moonbat
The KSA intelligence service paid for the flight training. And it gave Bush an excuse to invade the Middle east. an invasion that is on-going.
Classic imperialism.
Playing Devil's Advocate: If the Clintons were Republicans in disguise, then how come the GOP always hated them? I haven't forgotten how things were in the 1990s, when the GOP was so grotesquely, irrationally partisan (everything Ao Oni would later become in reaction to Trump) that one of my running 9/11 not-even-really-a-conspiracy hypotheses is that the Bush Regime ignored the outgoing Clinton Administration's warnings about bin Laden out of sheer partisan spite (Karl Rove certainly would've cared about nothing more at the time).
As for Bernie, you might say he really is the well-meaning-and-well-informed-but-ultimately-spineless character we used to believe Ao Oni was - but there's still no excuse nor need for his cuddling up with/making excuses for abusive sociopaths.
Give me a candidate who has the political agenda and personal virtue of a Bernie Sanders, and the in-your-face attitude and media savvy of a Donald Trump!
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Liberal Moonbat
"Give me a candidate who has the political agenda and personal virtue of a Bernie Sanders, and the in-your-face attitude and media savvy of a Donald Trump!"
And we have seen what happens to them (JFK, RFK, MLK ).
Was it not Bolton who told the head of the ICC "We know where your kids go to school"?
To these monsters, human lives become worthless when they threaten the continuing tranfer of billions of dollars to the already insanely wealthy.
IMHO.
Playing Devil's Advocate: If the Clintons were Republicans in disguise, then how come the GOP always hated them? I haven't forgotten how things were in the 1990s, when the GOP was so grotesquely, irrationally partisan (everything Ao Oni would later become in reaction to Trump) that one of my running 9/11 not-even-really-a-conspiracy hypotheses is that the Bush Regime ignored the outgoing Clinton Administration's warnings about bin Laden out of sheer partisan spite (Karl Rove certainly would've cared about nothing more at the time).
As for Bernie, you might say he really is the well-meaning-and-well-informed-but-ultimately-spineless character we used to believe Ao Oni was - but there's still no excuse nor need for his cuddling up with/making excuses for abusive sociopaths.
Give me a candidate who has the political agenda and personal virtue of a Bernie Sanders, and the in-your-face attitude and media savvy of a Donald Trump!
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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
@earthling1
...THAT would be all the justification I'd ever need to hunt them all down to the ends of the earth and beyond. This is precisely what they exist to stop.
Other than that, what's your point? I have no use for wet blankets.
#5
"Give me a candidate who has the political agenda and personal virtue of a Bernie Sanders, and the in-your-face attitude and media savvy of a Donald Trump!"
And we have seen what happens to them (JFK, RFK, MLK ).
Was it not Bolton who told the head of the ICC "We know where your kids go to school"?
To these monsters, human lives become worthless when they threaten the continuing tranfer of billions of dollars to the already insanely wealthy.
IMHO.
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Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
@Dr. John Carpenter
difference in our lives, then being nice is way overrated.
Oligarchs always hate anyone who identifies with socialism. They are wasting their hatred on Bernie. He never crosses them.
The two aren't the same thing and Twitter wars are ultimately meaningless.
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The reason Republican voters are so susceptible to Russian propaganda is because it is literally no different from the crap they hear from right wing media every day.
Isn't that a pot and kettle thing? Or should the bro look in a mirror?
because he never asked their permission to run for president, and managed to win primaries without their money or paid media endorsement.
Also, don't forget that both his presidential campaigns were infiltrated by Clinton/DNC moles.
I am convinced his biggest weakness is not being too much of a nice guy or anything of the sort, but the lack of a robust antiwar foreign policy.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Hard to believe. I'd call him a Socialist light. His M.O. from the State to the House to the Senate has always been the same. He makes sure that he is acceptable to the Democrat party establishment, and therefore he gets some recognition and power. But then, how can he be a Socialist? That's a dirty word in America. He is a functional Democrat who leans to the Left. Well that's something, but not the revolutionary that he sounds like at times. His rhetoric is amazingly consistent, and suggests a fixed mental pattern on issues. His positions on war and peace are horrible. I have a hard time believing that he actually thinks through issues. He's a puzzle, but better to have him in Congress than other critters. Should we as Progressives follow him, anywhere? No way, it always ends the same way. Fool me once ... you know the rest.
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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
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Bernie: doing what he still can.
I also don't think Bernie has sold out. By little bits and quietly, he's still doing what he can.
Although I lack my preferred direct evidence for it, I'm still convinced that the Deep State and its gazillionaire bosses have some significant major threat aimed at Bernie. "We know where you live!" raised to the power of the entire State of Vermont.
Until the forces which have done this to Bernie (and probably AOC and others as well) are publicly and directly exposed by name, we won't have access to any nice things. It's just the way things are.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Bernie is fundamentally a decent person.
That is part of his problem!
He has been advocating for people long before I came across him on Thom Hartman radio program years ago. His problem is that his decency deprives him of the ability to go after the jugular vein of those who oppose his policies.
During the last primary he should have torn into Warren and Biden amongst others but unfortunately that is not how he operates.
Yep. That's the simplest answer
that's the Occam's razor's answer..
He's just a nice guy
Nice guys finish last
in politics and war there is no prize for Miss Congeniality.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I agree with you
that this is his vulnerability. Bernie would not be Bernie if this trait wasn't part of his fundamental character. I very much would have liked to see him be more aggressive but not at the cost of who he is. Refusing to abide by his principles in every situation and not just when it is convenient, even to get what he has fought his entire life to achieve, is still a violation of the principles that make him who he is. As much as I'd love some wins, I'll take Bernie being Bernie as he is.
We've endured four years of the naked truth about people whose only principle is themselves winning and getting what they want at any price to anyone. I don't want that staring back at me in the mirror. If I'm correct, Bernie doesn't either.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
I don;t want to look in in mirror and see "LOSER" tatooed on my
forehead
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
To each his/her own.
“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.” is the law of the jungle. Look at the state of our people and our country to see the result of this mindset. I hope you’re at the top of the food chain. Otherwise you’re a snack. That is what you’re advocating whether you see it or not.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
You don't have to be a shark
to not wear a "kick me" sign on your back.
Harry Truman said it best, "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!"
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
So Bernie couldn't take the heat?
50 years in politics and a reputation for principled stance and working for the disadvantaged among us, rather successfully at that, suggests otherwise. No, he's being criticized and has lost the more, let's say, impatient among us because he wouldn't fight the fight as politics is played in the 21st century. He wouldn't burn down the house and his reputation when he was clearly cheated. He's chosen to live to fight another day which at his age is puzzling. You're right that he could have taken a less destructive approach but chose not too. He's also guilty of not bothering to tell us why. Not that any of us have a valid claim to demanding an explanation. (It's probably along the lines of Mark Twain's thoughts on why we should never explain.) Fair criticism but he's been true to his past actions and is still doing what he's done with some success all these years. I'm also thinking he'll leave the kitchen only when he joins the choir invisible.
When both parties, practically every politician and elected representative, corporations, the media, and the billionaire class are against you and have no ethical or financial boundaries, success is probably not a high probability proposition. Who needs a "Kick me" sign?
I'd love to understand why he didn't choose to fight the DNC and rigged primaries harder. I think he could have taken on both without burning down the house or helping trump by damaging the Dems. He didn't. That's his choice, not ours. The ire of those who don't like it probably won't keep him awake at night. Bernie will keep on being relevant in the ways he's able to be like he has in the past.
We either want better people in elected office or we don't. Bernie for his failings and shortcomings has been a steady presence his entire career. Who else in national politics can compare? How many of the latest and greatest from the past couple of cycles still look attractive? I think the answer says a lot about the quality of the people in politics but I think it says a lot more about us.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
Deeply appreciated comment, vtcc
Please, can you expand on the last sentence ...
"I think the answer says a lot about the quality of the people in politics but I think it says a lot more about us."
A politician of courage who defends justice and fairness
...for the people knows the people will betray him or her. They know better than to risk themselves for the people.
As long as people sit silently while Julian Assange is slow-murdered right in front of our faces — they are people who are not worth fighting for. Collectively, they are little more than debris in an unspeakably corrupt nation. The gullible pea-brained peanut gallery of noisy hate.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Thank you for your comment, Pluto
I thought of you when I read something recently from a political pundit/blogger who used to be a regular on ’The Panel’, a National NZ Radio program. He hasn’t been invited back to the program in at least 5 years, but writes his own blog and cross-posts at 'The Daily Blog'. If you're at all interested in a NZ perspective, check the references out, in addition to journalist Gordon Campbell who is somewhere in-between more mainstream Radio NZ, and the (usually) more progressive blogs I linked.
This is part of a comment in response to the article linked…
I hope that the Labour Party (substitute the Democratic Party) has a bit more of a fighting chance.
Do you have any link where
Bernie has spoken out about Assange?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Sometimes I wonder what difference it makes
to ‘speaking out’ about anything sensitively political these days. Seems like a fleeting spark that is quickly extinguished. As much as Sanders or anyone else speaks out about worthwhile issues, the essence gets quickly buried by the next inflammable thing.
Speaking out has become
a tv ratings issue, hasn't it?
Bernie famously used his first Amendment rights to protest, getting arrested for it in the process.
The Assange case is the most important challenge to the first Amendment since McCarthy had his rampage. It matters if our elected officials can justify wiping out that Amendment.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I hope the voices speaking out
in support of the first amendment are the ones that determine its fate.
Yep. And there are some
important and influential voices that are silent. How do they sleep at night?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
He folded like a cheap suit.
He doesn't belong in politics. Or rather, his function is to act as a Judas Goat.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Actually,
I don't think it can ever be a part of the problem to be fundamentally decent.
Same reason that, in “1984”, the Party shoots thought criminals,
after an unpredictable interval, even long after they’ve been broken and returned to society?
Because he "sounds offensive."
He doesn't DO anything offensive, and gives peeps reason to vote D.
I have been stepping away from party politics because of Bernie, and paying more attention to propaganda, thanks to Bernie.
I know you are not a fan of Caitlin, but her essay featured in the ebs tonight is voicing my opinion.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I have mixed feelings
Playing Devil's Advocate: If the Clintons were Republicans in disguise, then how come the GOP always hated them? I haven't forgotten how things were in the 1990s, when the GOP was so grotesquely, irrationally partisan (everything Ao Oni would later become in reaction to Trump) that one of my running 9/11 not-even-really-a-conspiracy hypotheses is that the Bush Regime ignored the outgoing Clinton Administration's warnings about bin Laden out of sheer partisan spite (Karl Rove certainly would've cared about nothing more at the time).
As for Bernie, you might say he really is the well-meaning-and-well-informed-but-ultimately-spineless character we used to believe Ao Oni was - but there's still no excuse nor need for his cuddling up with/making excuses for abusive sociopaths.
Give me a candidate who has the political agenda and personal virtue of a Bernie Sanders, and the in-your-face attitude and media savvy of a Donald Trump!
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
1950's republicans
Not today's neoconfederate fascist party. Why did Clinton run as a Democrat? Because he wasn't a member of the ruling class, they wouldn't let him in. But he was smart. He saw that if you suck up to business and say the right things to the rabble that you don't really mean, you can get elected.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I beleive Bush and KSA were in league with bin Laden.
The KSA intelligence service paid for the flight training. And it gave Bush an excuse to invade the Middle east. an invasion that is on-going.
Classic imperialism.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
We were already given those kind of people
"Give me a candidate who has the political agenda and personal virtue of a Bernie Sanders, and the in-your-face attitude and media savvy of a Donald Trump!"
And we have seen what happens to them (JFK, RFK, MLK ).
Was it not Bolton who told the head of the ICC "We know where your kids go to school"?
To these monsters, human lives become worthless when they threaten the continuing tranfer of billions of dollars to the already insanely wealthy.
IMHO.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
If I were ICC head...
...THAT would be all the justification I'd ever need to hunt them all down to the ends of the earth and beyond. This is precisely what they exist to stop.
Other than that, what's your point? I have no use for wet blankets.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
They hate him. They don't fear him. There's the problem.
The two aren't the same thing and Twitter wars are ultimately meaningless.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
If Bernie is too nice to make a positive
difference in our lives, then being nice is way overrated.
Oligarchs always hate anyone who identifies with socialism. They are wasting their hatred on Bernie. He never crosses them.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
They are equal-opportunity
haters. They hate anyone who wasn’t born into their caste.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
The oligarchy hates Bernie
because he never asked their permission to run for president, and managed to win primaries without their money or paid media endorsement.
Also, don't forget that both his presidential campaigns were infiltrated by Clinton/DNC moles.
I am convinced his biggest weakness is not being too much of a nice guy or anything of the sort, but the lack of a robust antiwar foreign policy.
Mary Bennett
Nuff said
Apros of nothing:
Umm....WAT?
Isn't that a pot and kettle thing? Or should the bro look in a mirror?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Bernie is a Socialist who gets along
Hard to believe. I'd call him a Socialist light. His M.O. from the State to the House to the Senate has always been the same. He makes sure that he is acceptable to the Democrat party establishment, and therefore he gets some recognition and power. But then, how can he be a Socialist? That's a dirty word in America. He is a functional Democrat who leans to the Left. Well that's something, but not the revolutionary that he sounds like at times. His rhetoric is amazingly consistent, and suggests a fixed mental pattern on issues. His positions on war and peace are horrible. I have a hard time believing that he actually thinks through issues. He's a puzzle, but better to have him in Congress than other critters. Should we as Progressives follow him, anywhere? No way, it always ends the same way. Fool me once ... you know the rest.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.