Every Single incumbent Democrat that has lost (so far) is a conservative
It's still not over, so this trend could be interrupted, but I noticed something that the media isn't reporting - only right-wing Democrats are losing.
Another Democratic strategist summed it up this way: “It’s catastrophic.”
“This is so much worse than 2016. In 2016, we were surprised. In 2020, we supposedly learned our lesson,” the strategist said. “And we didn't.”
Let's start in Florida for the voters just passed $15 minimum wage. They also kicked out conservative Democratic politicians - Debbie Mucarsel-Powell and Donna Shalala.
Both of them are members of the center-right New Democrat Coalition.
Let's go to Minnesota which just voted for Biden. Collin Peterson was a founding member of the center-right Blue Dog Democrats back in the 90's. Now he's out of a job.
Over in New Mexico, Torres Small had one of the largest districts in America. He was a member in good standing of both New Democrats and Blue Dogs. Now he's out of work.
Some Democrats were privately more blunt: “It’s a dumpster fire,” said one lawmaker, who declined to be named.
Finally there is Doug Jones in Alabama. The man who is only in office because his opponent was a pedophile.
A July 2018 NBC News editorial stated that Jones had voted with Trump more often than all but three of his fellow Democratic senators
Is it just a coincidence that all the sitting Democrats that are losing our conservatives?
Maybe.
But at the same time, every member of The Squad was reelected and is set to double in membership.
[Update: the trend continues.
Kendra Horn of Oklahoma was both a member of the Blue Dogs and the New Democrats.
The same is true of Joe Cunningham of South Carolina.
Now they are both former Congresspersons.
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What a terrific post!
Donna Shalala lost. lol
Max Rose is/was a (D) Congressman from Staten Island. He 's a belligerent war-monger. Part of the promise keepers or some such caucus.
Max Rose got trounced.
By a (R) woman. She is even less pleasant than he his.
Two years ago Max Rose beat a wonderful (R) congressman who sided with his constituents, not with Trump, to advance their interests. I was sorry to see Dan Donovan go. Sad to see Max Rose get the seat and now I'm not happy at all with the winner, Nicole Malliatakis.
Oh well.
NYCVG
I worked for the University of Wisconsin-Madison
When Shalala was Chancellor. Difficult to work with, and uninspiring then. I can understand her loss.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
After decades in exile...
...might America's heroic streak possibly be daring to show its face again!?
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Collin Peterson
was a Republican in all but name.
I weep not.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Yep.
Glad he's gone at least.
As I said in another thread, moving further right while pretending to be left isn't helping them win. Shit, they can't even be bothered to pretend any more.
This shit is bananas.
Doug Jones only won because he ran against a
pedophile. He teamed up with Joe Manchin to vote with republicans more often than not. Black women supported him in droves to give him a win and he repaid them by voting for @ bank bill that targeted blacks.
Too bad it wasn't Wasserman-Shultz
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Great post gjohn!
If biden wins, we're guaranteed stalemate.
Sounds like the best thing we could hope for as the water circles the toilet bowl just before it plugs up.
For every blue-dog that's replaced, at least one more dog will take their place.
Just another day in an exceptional nation.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I posted exactly that here a couple months ago.
A stalemated congress and private citizen tiny hands running from the law, to say nothing of the Russian mob...er...'s bankers, is almost a win in my book. Although we all know they'll find some way to get all bipartisan-like on things that make live suck for the average citizen. Think Obama on steroids.
In some ways it may be better than a Bernie nomination and winning the presidency. Bernie would have been blocked at every turn from both sides and made to look incompetent at getting his agenda passed. That would have set back sane policies for another generation. This way the ideas are alive, like MFA, in the minds of most people when both Dems and Reps are saying we can't have that. Not that seeing how worthless both parties are or remembering great ideas would have more than a slim chance of growing with people uniting behind them. Not rejected, crushed by TPTB, but denied may piss off more people to the point of them making the demand.
At this point any glimmer of hope for less suckitude is attractive.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
Amy McGrath lost big time
but then she had been losing for some time and democrats ignored it. They could have gone with Booker (?) my mind just went blank) and he might have won.
This sums it up well I think.
I’ve noticed that I’m saying 'ignored' a lot today.
I wish
that you would include nancy in your 'ignored' list.
I know. We have to watch the evil to see what it's going to do.
Her and her daughter are a permanately skipping LP that I can do without.
Hell. I'd throw that vinyl out.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
They pumped a lot of money into Barbara Bollier's
campaign in Kansas as well but she lost by >10%. She was a Republican until 2018 and Haley Barbour was her chief fundraiser. Paula Jean Swearingen in W.Va. got very little. The establishment Dems like their ex Republican, ex miliary (except for Tulsi), ex CIA candidates.
Schumer sent Amy about 8 million dollars.
We must have had about 15 of those annoyed large postcards from her campaign come in the mail. She also started doing the God talk in her video ads, enough to make you barf.
She has lost races in KY twice before, but that didn't seem to register with the DNC. She also stepped in shit big time when she said that on the morning of Trump's win in 2016, she felt the same as she did on 9-11. All McConnell had to do was smile and make an ad out of that stupid statement.
The Dems can't see winners right before their eyes...
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/03...
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
This is actually a disaster
My scenario for surviving the end of the earth:
1, Biden loses by a Reaganesque margin.
2, the corruptocrats lose the House.
3, Pelosi loses
Leading to the dissolution of the Democratic Party and its replacement by a legitimate progressive party that would have swept the 2024 elections, with a slim chance to survive the late 2020s collapse. Now that will not happen. The Democrats will not collapse until 2022, but they will prevent the formation of a legitimate party until too late for 2024, and the Republican death cult will end all life on this planet. Now all we can hope for is that 100,000 survivors in Antarctica scenario.
On to Biden since 1973
Biden isn't the prez-elect yet.
Nevada could easily go trump at this point. Who knows what else might be unable to survive close scrutiny by an army of shyster lawyers playing the right courts. This is far, far from settled.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
A slim Biden win is the best
It would be a repudiation of both Biden and trump. There'd be no grand enthusiasm for a 2nd Biden term.
This gives us a good basis for building a strong new party.
A slim House majority
with fewer Blue Dogs and a bigger Squad means Nancy can't ignore progressives.
Are you sure about that?
She'll go to her worm dirt ignoring them as long as her sponsors pay her to do so.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
The Squad has proved itself
toothless thus far. AOC has been kissing Pelosi's ring for quite a while now. NONE of them have stood up to the Democratic leadership on several issues brought forth by Tulsi, particularly that of the plight of Julian Assange. Not one of them has spoke out against our regime change wars or even about cutting funding of the DOD. They are toothless tigers posturing to move up the political ladder. Until one or more of them actually brings forth real legislation to make people's lives better, I do not think a whole lot of any of them. And the Green New Deal does not count since it is only a resolution without any force of law like the OFF Act was.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I wish I could say it better.
For every blue-dog that loses, there will be at least one to step in.
It's like betting at a casino. The owners of the establishment win.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
So what if she doesn't ignore them?
With Republicans still in control of the Senate it would be like deja vu all over again - like the House Republicans voting fifty seven times to repeal Obamacare when R's had the House and D's controlled the Senate - lots more in the way of rhetoric than results.
Of course, to be able to posture and sling platitudes without actually having to accomplish anything is pretty close to ideal for congressional D's - at least till 2022 rolls around.
Well this I know for sure
They will blame everything on the "left", and make it all our fault, again.
They won't have learned a thing, and 2022 they'll pick up a few, but not a majority in the Senate. They'll probably lose a shit load of state level legislators and probably a few more governorship's by 2024.
I'm sure by the time I get to Medicare age, it won't exist any more. (9 more years...)
C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote
Well, according to what I'm seeing
in the returns so far, the incessant efforts at voter-shaming were very effective at making people not vote third party. Whether those shamed votes were converted into blue, red, or fuckitall no-votes isn't clear. But what's clear is that third parties took it in the shorts this time out.
The good news is that, given that, they'll have a harder time doing the "You cost our Anointed the election!" schtick. The Greens went from 1.37% of the vote in 2016 to 0.26% in my state, which Biden carried handily. They'll still try to do it, of course, but it will be easier to tell them to blow that out their asses...
Let's see how hard the repubs decide to thump that tub about the libertarians. They'll have better standing. And I'll be interested in seeing what happens with the anomalous turnout numbers, with some states being well up into the 80s (which hasn't happened since WWII, I think).
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
The lesson?
I'm sure these Democratic strategists can make it very complicated and only they have cracked the code for next time. Experience and not results sell in many professions. The simple lesson is that in large majority Republican districts in an election cycle when the top of the ticket enjoys 65+% support in the district, voters will choose the real Republican in the other races.
I totally disagree with those who are optimistic
Any Biden win, or even the possible close loss will give him and the corruptocrats "a mandate" to block us from accomplishing anything. This will be suicidal, but not until after the 2022 election, and that will be too late.
As for the squad, what do 4 congresspeople have in common with 8 congresspeople? Answer, just what they have in common with 40 progressive congresspeople - Nancy Pelosi will ignore and block them. The present strategy of keeping their heads down is slowly succeeding, but the emphasis is on slowly, much too slowly.
On to Biden since 1973
I just read a tweet about Biden having a huge mandate
and apparently bigger than Reagan’s. But does anyone believe that Biden would take his mandate and do something good with it? Obama had a huge mandate too and look at how that turned out for us. I posted a tweet somewhere here tonight about how Biden will have to work with republicans on who can be in his cabinet. F’ck that. Anyone think a republican president would get permission from democrats? But they are lining up their excuses for not doing a damned thing.
mandate
What's that person smoking? And where can I get some?
Biden has no mandate. Nor will Trump if he wins.
The American People know that modern Presidential candidates are duplicates of one another. And the election results show it: razor-thin margins where a winner can be reliably determined at all.
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I saw on ABC
yesterday an out side commenter who pointed out health care, 15$ min. wage, pot legalization, education and other lefty causes polled (and won on ballots) well with voters.
Dem leadership ran from anything "socialist" and backed essentially moderate republicans. The only thing I can figure is that the dem gravy train is very lucrative and they will do anything to not jeopardize that. I look at Obama and wonder how he could afford the mortgages on his 20+ million $ Martha Vineyard vacation home, and his custom Hawaiian beachfront estate. Politics, speechifying and book writing must be a very profitable gig.
Their book writing deal
reportedly earned them $65 million. Speechifying easily nets them $10 million/per year with fewer than twenty appearances for each per year.
Later they can both go feed at the corporate board troughs. Ford and Bush1 did well with those sinecures.
Didn't Rahm's Blue Dogs get wiped out eventually
Rahm took the party big time to the right and won at first. But I think his Blue Dogs eventually got wiped out.
Blue Dogs got wiped out in 2010, 2012, and 2014
from wikipedia
Going into the 2020 election the Blue Dogs numbered 26, but I know they just lost at least 4 (probably more).
Interesting... but
For an ideology that has been 'wiped out' so many times, you'd think it would be dead by now.
While it is true that this specific named group in the House has been losing members, their beliefs are alive and well and extremely far from being wiped out. In fact it seems to me that this "fiscal conservatism" is now entrenched as a core belief of the democratic party, and that is demonstrably not changing for the better.