Tuesday Open Thread ~ Democalypse 2020


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We've hit the point where you have to basically lobotomize yourself and ignore almost every single verifiable fact in order to pretend that our democracy is minimally functional and that the political system is even a vague reflection of the public will. ~ David Sirota

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What Twitter Has to Say on the Eve of the Election

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What Anja Has to Say

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My Election Day Predictions

  • Rachel Maddow will go LIVE on TV to announce that she is having a love child with Don Lemon.
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  • Brita Water Filters will use Barack Obama's face on their billboards in Flint, Michigan.
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  • The Electoral Map will have both Biden and Trump at 143, while Tinky-Winky makes a surprise showing with 254.
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  • Less than 24 hours after the Teletubbies alum is declared the winner, Tinky Winky is poisoned by a lethal dose of Establishment rage.
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  • Meanwhile Donald Trump's toupee is found in the bathroom of the NYC Port Authority along with his official Dynasty Duck pen knife and a Brooks Brothers suit crammed inside a trash can.
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  • Following Trump's mysterious disappearance, the CEO of Shell is appointed as Oligarchy-in-chief, Biden is seen wandering around the Situation Room with a cork attached to the end of his fork asking his advisors where the dumplings are, and Kamala is spotted running down Pennsylvania Avenue pulling out her hair and wailing "I coulda been a contender!"
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Brunch Time for The Wealthy!

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Before & After Pictures ~ 2016 & 2020 Elections

(For Those of Us NOT Going to Brunch)
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Well, that about wraps things up for the Election 2020 edition.

What’s on your mind today?

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nothing will change except maybe the clocks, the weather
and the role of the military in domestic affairs Wink

thanks Anja

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@QMS

between disgust and a strange curiosity about what the power brokers have in store for us. But purely by way of entertainment, critiquing what they got wrong and enjoying their stress over the things they DIDN'T anticipate. Anything that drives them to an earlier grave by the sheer amount of stress.

Probably not a very Buddhist-like thing for me to say. But, hey, there it is, right?

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz

...and, in particular, the events and emotions leading up to the 2016 election:

torn between disgust and a strange curiosity

Because what happened next was the complete abandonment of self-control and concern for the nation. By the end of the 2016 primaries, Republicans didn't know who they were, and lost track of which noble principles they represented. During the Republican Primaries, a rogue candidate knocked out all of his GOP competitors and ran off with the Republican's Presidential nomination. The Party was left in a state of confusion and chaos, which created a leadership void in Washington.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party Elite were digging their own leadership hole. They were actively sabotaging the Primary campaign of their own Party Outsider, who was barnstorming the US with his wildly popular populist message. By contrast, the Democratic Party's preferred presidential candidate was not a charismatic figure and she did not draw large crowds. Instead, she had a ruthless vision and a list of national priorities that was an inspiration to multinational corporations, Wall Street Investment firms, and major Defense Contractors.

Left-leaning Democrats were quick to point out that the Party had abandoned them for their Big Donors and the Corporations. Working class Dems rejected the notion that Democrat's glib references ro identity politics was somehow a fair substitute for representing the People's ongoing struggles across four decades of downward mobility and economic disenfranchisement. This disconnect led directly to the Democrat's defeat in the battleground states in 2016.

The nation's political failures swiftly followed. The Republicans never regained their dignity, but they patched their political identity with the sticky tape of hypocracy. They operated with the situational ethics of their lowest common denominator. Led by a banal and selfish sort of man, they became 'looters of the commonwealth,' each time the opportunity presented itself. These were the Trump years and everyone was openly on the take. In the end, Republicans came to DC only when they were forced to, preferring the protective enclaves of their home state.

The Democrats debased and dishonored the government in their own unique way. The Party focused solely on their own loss of political power and developed a pathological obsession with the usurper, Donald Trump. They were a Pussyhat militia that was on the boil for four long years, careening through a series of revenge schemes — from demagoguing the Russians with an often-debunked, evidence-free conspiracy theory, to mounting an over-extended and opaque Special Investigation that finally stalled and fizzled out after two-and-a-half wasted years, to staging an elaborate but toothless impeachment fiasco out of Ukraine's endemic corruption. All of it was a distraction from the self-impoverishing wars and the ongoing neglect of the health of the nation.

That four-year spectacle inspired nothing but disgust and curiosity in most of the world, too.

Probably not a very Buddhist-like thing for me to say.

We were all adapting to the New Normal. But that was Zen and this is Tao. The Tao, like the watercourse way, fills up that which is too low and wears down that which is too high. The Tao of that time was bold public policies, like those of Bernie Sander's, which would restore the health and economic balance of the nation, while developing the skills and talents of the citizens. Only the citizens have the power to make something sustainable. That was the essential Tao of 2017 to 2020 — it was a downstream trend toward individual betterment and public improvements. It was the time to finally eradicate US poverty (just as China has done in 2020) and put environmental and economic restraints on self-dealing monopolies. The trend will continue in many parts of the world for the next four years.

Moving against the direction of the Tao results in misfortune for a nation and those who reside there. This situation is unnatural and its reverberation is bad for biological life and diversity. Ultimately, it will be returned to a natural, nurturing state. A state that forces backwardian conditions and extinction upon the world is unnatural and will soon wear itself out.

If the People can take a Stand and live their lives accordingly, bad government will fall. The US experiment, however, was designed by the aristocratic authorities, who had been appointed to power by the International Ruling Elite of the time. No one wanted Power to fall into the hands of the poorly educated lower classes, who might, God forbid, use Democracy to give themselves an advantage over the Elite. Dangerous populist ideas could be enacted by a rogue voting democracy. They could decide to tax the Elite for their excess wealth. Working class voters could send the country down the path of economic disaster — just as the educated Aristocrats had regularly done.

The fears of the wealthy Elite were just as potent back then as they are today. The inherent powers of Democracy would need to be permanently suppressed, and the Elite would need to lavishly fund the private political clubs to get the job done. The People were divided into the opposing sides of classic philosophical issues, usually built around nationalism or self interest or the thievery of foreigners. The Founding Elite wrote a Constitution that would ensure that the oppositional binary division between the People would remain active after they were gone. Perfect opposition would paralyze progress and cancel the issue. But just in case, the Elite placed ultimate decisive power in a small group of political operatives who would be appointed and confirmed by members of the Elite. For life.

The state cannot be reformed by the state, itself. Unfortunately, enlightenment remains poorly distributed among the People. Furthermore, the isolated culture in the US, believing themselves to be exceptional, generally shuns the enlightened view. But there are many other places where there is an open path to enlightened progress.

Good topic, Anja.

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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
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♫ … I asked my mother, “Who’ll win the vote?
Will it be Adlai? Will it be Ike?”
Here’s what she said — I quote:
“Que sera, sera — whatever will be, will be
We have no democracy
Que sera, sera — que sera, sera!”

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@lotlizard

I actually heard Doris Day singing those lyrics in my head!

[video:https://youtu.be/7n5CXMSRTlk]

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@lotlizard
My parents supported Stevenson and were terribly upset when Eisenhower won.
Both had been raised in families that didn't allow "political" talk at the table or basically anywhere else,
and couldn't find aligned minds. Boulder in the 1950s was cold, hard-bitten republican.

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with the dueling factions we have been given to choose from, rendering our predicament even more intractable.
What we have been given to chose from is designed to secure “more of the same”; endless wars and the industry that supports those wars, endless consumption that only hastens our march to an uninhabitable planet, and the endless enslavement of the population that inevitably trickles up into the hands of a very few.

The harder we pull in opposite directions, the tighter the knot. This exhortation to “pull harder!” is itself a tool designed to prop up our failing Empire. If we are to ever unravel this knot, we must first learn to stop pulling it tighter from either end.

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

@ovals49

[video:https://youtu.be/Lg7DcCI39GY]

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@QMS
I can remember being afflicted with. Any tips on how to make it stop?

It surely didn’t have this effect on me when I first heard it fifty six years ago. Didn’t buy it then either. Oh, well......

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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@ovals49

Heh, heh...

Please send $1,500 BTC (Bitcoin) to this address: masterearwormscammer@bumsrus.com

We can make it cease.

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@ovals49

who did not seem to understand the very concept you are talking about...

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz
the changes we need is difficult arrive at and even harder to to accept. It’s much simpler and more gratifying to decide that one party is better than the other and then place our hopes on that party prevailing. So that is what TPTB give us, identity politics and a choice between the “them” and the “us”. We are deeply programmed to make simple binary choices and to chose up with a team. Realizing that neither team has any intention to work on our behalf is a real shocker. Solutions will need to be found elsewhere, if they are to be found at all.

How this process might proceed remains a great mystery to me, but I feel it needs to begin with collectivity of the people working towards the common good, rather than the rank partisanship of our two party system that we have been so thoroughly indoctrinated in.

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

@ovals49

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@The Voice In the Wilderness
concedes the binary nature of the choices that our two party system offers us. In the present LOTE situation our choices are limited to two with the outcome assuredly grim and hopeless. The Gordian Knot example, on the other hand, emphasizes the need to look outside the box for solutions, ones that may possibly render the problem moot.

I prefer to take my poison with a side of hope, thank you very much.

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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...Remind me how Tinky-Winky got involved in this?

He seems to be back in the zeitgeist for the first time since his 'outing' by Jerry Falwell in the late '90s, and...I'm spacing on why he's back.

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In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.

Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!

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@The Liberal Moonbat

Was peace, love & fun. It seemed to resonate. Leave it to the establishment to kill off peace, love & fun, right?

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When I used to participate in the football pools at work, I watched football like a hawk so I could assess my predictions. I got very emotionally involved. When I quit the football pools I could care less about the teams.

Same thing is applying to me for the election. When I voted, I was emotionally invested in who would be the winner because I wanted it to be MY pick. However, since I'm not a voter anymore, I could care less! It is very freeing!

Enjoy the day! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann

However, I did vote today. Wrote in Howie Hawkins for Prez. No question Trumpolini will win Alabama.

No matter which old man wins the election we can all take comfort in the fact that we will still be ruled by the same corporate oligarchs.

So I'm not emotionally invested in the election but I'm skeptical about how it will all play out as they tally the vote. Will we have a fomenting revolution tomorrow? Trump has built a wall around the WH.
https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/02/white-house-board-up-wall-fence-barrier-b...

And the military as well as militarized police are ready.

PHOENIX — New video shows military police units training in Arizona ahead of a potential deployment if activated for civil unrest ahead of the election, but it is unclear if the soldiers would be armed.

The video posted to a public site on Monday shows soldiers with the 850th Military Police Battalion training earlier this month by loading up an aircraft as part of a readiness training if they were to be activated for any event.

However, we know Arizona and Alabama are two states that are preparing to activate units with 300 citizen-soldiers if there is civil unrest as part of the federal Rapid Response Force.

The two response teams are for geographical reasons — Arizona would respond to the West, and Alabama would respond to the East. Governor Doug Ducey will play a key role for the activation of these teams as the request for soldiers would come directly to Ducey from a governor at another state on the west coast.

https://www.abc15.com/news/election-2020/military-police-units-train-in-...

I hope there is a clear winner.


Thanks for the OT Anja.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

The political shit show manages to come up with another "unprecedented" event. So, does this mean that Trump kept his promise when he said he'd build a WALL?

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Jesus Fucking Christ. What is the media gonna do if he loses and everyone goes back to brunch?

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Lookout @Lookout
And every Green on the Ballot. Voted for the Libertarian against Durbin, he's a shoo-in anyway, so my votes are just protest votes. Voted for some Libertarian against my Congresscritter. (R)'s didn't even bother with a candidate. Last time they had some cab driver. Why did I do that? He sent e-mails declaring his undying love for #BLM even before the Michigan avenue flames died down and the looting ended.

Positive votes:
1. O'Brien (R) against corrupt Kim Fox, State's Attorney.
2. Retention of Judge Toomin who some wanted to dump because he tried a "child" of 17 as an adult for Armed Robbery. Said child had a history of armed robbery and ignoring electronic monitoring.
3. Voted "Yes" for the Constitutional Amendment to allow graduated income tax instead of the current flat rate for all income tax. PLENTY of millionaire money filling the air with scary lies about this so it will probably fail. The legislature is all set for a 20% across the board hike if this fails which it probably will.

We had SIX candidates for President!
1. Biden (D)
2. Trump (R)
3. Hawkins (G)
4. La Riva (PARTY FOR SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION)
5. Carrol (AMERICAN SOLIDARITY PARTY)
6. Jorgensen (L)

Turnout was surprisingly high. We went at 10:00AM which is usually dead except for young mothers with babies in strollers. No young mothers. No babies. Lots of men who looked like in their 50's and 60's. Unemployed? Who will they blame for their unemployment?
Again re turnout. Radio reported that mail-in ballots from neighboring Kane County have already exceeded total 2016 turnout!

Our regular polling place at the Park District spacious Gymnasium was closed. The four precincts were transferred to an elementary school. Lots of cars, but we found a fortuitous handicapped spot (yes we have the placard). However, our precinct was at the far end of the very large school. My wife barely made the walk. The school has a bus driveway in front. After voting, I made my wife stand at the closest end of the bus drive while I walked to the car and drove it around to pick her up. Almost fell twice on broken sidewalk. What do they do with out outrageous property tax money? Besides wasting it on worthless software?

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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the grand "American" experiment in Democracy is a complete and utter abject failure?

Our 1st president was reportedly to have never uttered a lie in his life, and the current president, who is reported to have never told the truth in his life, and the other choice for president, can't even remember what he said yesterday not to mention his failed two past runs for the presidency because of stealing someone else's work and calling it his own.

Drinks

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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote

@RantingRooster Oh, the irony! Biden wrote the Bankruptcy Bill, Trump benefits from said Bill.
If they are adversaries, I will kiss the first ass that passes by.
A neighbor fired off a gun this morning. Things should get interesting.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@RantingRooster

is ready to admit that. Others? Not so much.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Trump and Biden are at the same time worse than each other.

And then there is this.

You are no longer my mother': A divided America will struggle to heal after Trump era

Woman who is my son's partner is having a very bitter fight with her relatives. They support Trump and she supports Biden.

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@MrWebster

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@MrWebster

My term for this is "Zen Election"

Actually, it's more like the yen election: while those with many yen get things their way, the rest of us have developed a significant un-fulfilled yen for change!
Wink

Woman who is my son's partner is having a very bitter fight with her relatives. They support Trump and she supports Biden.

That woman needs to emotionally embrace this fact:

Trump and Biden are at the same time worse than each other.

Smile

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz

Love the kitty...I vomited.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”