POTUS & FLOTUS test positive for Covid-19

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@Anja Geitz
And why did WBBM/WGN show clips of the masked Biden when reporting on the debate the next day?
Obviously to fool the public.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@The Voice In the Wilderness from September 14 to September 28; so, photos of him during that period should have had him wearing a mask. However, that was preventative to OTHERS should he have been infected by the contact that put him in quarantine. It did close to nothing for him if he came in contact with an infectious person who wasn't wearing a mask.

Perhaps the difficulty in understanding the mask protocol is an American thing. Those in Asian countries don't seem to have this struggle. It's routine for them to wear a mask when ill to prevent infecting others. It's viewed as socially responsible. In the US we expect a mask to protect the self from others. An N-95 will do that, but they aren't comfortable to wear for more than a short period of time and the bulk of the short supply needs to be reserved for health care workers. The surgical and cloth masks are socially responsible in the event that one has unknowingly been infected with the coronavirus.

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@Marie

too much like soshulism.
Seriously, tho, we have this six-guns-blazing libertarian mindset that seriously cripples USians in making rational decisions. Leftover "frontier" mentality?

Can you tell me: what exactly are the differences between KN95 and N95 masks? I favor KN95s because I think they're much more comfortable and breathable than flat masks, don't slip off the nose, and are less prone to get soaked in sweat or saliva. I don't look for N95s because I think they're still in short supply for med personnel. I know nurses who bought UVC sterilizers because they had to wear their N95s for a week.

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@pindar's revenge
Guys exposed to concrete dust, plaster dust et cetera. They need it more than me. I use a surgical mask, but the time that I can wear it without both lungs filling up is not long at all. I think I'll ask if I can get an oxygen concentrater and slip the tubes under the mask.

I see more and more people without masks. And not just Trumpkins. Mostly AA & Latinos. I hardly see one with a mask anymore except Maria the bank teller.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@pindar's revenge is that KN-95 are made in China and don't carry the CDC seal of approval. 3M, Kimberly Clark, etc. spend a lot of money lobbying for this USG market protection even if their models are made in China or some other country. The models do vary -- the two low cost N-95 masks that were gifted to me fell apart quickly. My latest one is much higher quality and more comfortable, but unlike the first two has a release valve. So, I wear a surgical mask underneath it to protect others, as well as extending the life of the N-95. Don't use it for more than an hour or so per week and that's probably overly cautious.

Yes, socially responsible is like socialism. A word far too many Americans loathe while at the same time very much liking the socialism in our everyday lives. Vietnam may be one of the most socialist countries in the world (also atheistic), and while also one of the poorer countries, its handling of the coronavirus has been exceptional.

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@Marie
Sorry for the late response -- been dealing with some bad stuff, which included nearly stepping on a copperhead. Got pics, watched the fella slither away.
I bought a stock of kn95s from a massage therapist, who gets hers from a professional supply center. They seem very high quality, but not cheap. I prefer them to all other masks for comfort of wear -- easy breathing, mask held away from mouth and nose so it doesn't moisten up.
I've been on a major campaign to get people to wear masks, and wear masks properly. Nose-out only gives a false sense of security and puts people in danger. A major advantage of kn95 design is that it's harder to wear it incorrectly. A sane society would be distributing quality kn95s free; they cost much more than surgical masks. But this is the exceptional USA.

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@Anja Geitz The first thing I thought of when I heard about this is maybe he gave it to Biden and the universe is answering our call for "neither".

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Is it great yet?

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@Jen

First thing I thought of was what a freaking compelling story it would be, from a narrative POV, if Trump was the one who spread COVID to D.C. politicos including his Administration, Congress and all the bottom feeder insiders and they all started dropping off like flies.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz and won't be for up to another two weeks, and that assumes that none of his staffers at the debate contracted the virus in Cleveland.

We can assume but it's not known who at the debate on Tuesday was infectious. Odds are best that Hicks was as she was symptomatic less than twenty-four hours later. Trump may or may not have been infectious at that point. However, they weren't the only two there that may have been infectious. Had everyone, including the campaign advance teams, worn surgical or cloth masks during their time at the venue, the odds of any transmission would have been very low. Of course those masks aren't much good if any infectious person is present and unmasked. Thus, being unmasked during the debate and being masked before and after the debate put Biden at risk even if Trump wasn't infectious.

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@Marie

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz

trump staff, WH staff, some political big wigs, NJ gov.
Karma is a blessing.

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@QMS

Now all that needs to happen is for them to lose their job and their health insurance and then they'll have a better picture of what COVID has been like for the rest of us.

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@QMS

I don't know who else remembers "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee" (aka, Bridgegate) but Stepien was Christie's campaign manager and was up to his neck in that whole shakedown. Criminals and bastards through and through. Both of them.

It is getting a little bit difficult to not start thinking things like 'maybe there is such a thing as karma' ... even though to be honest I don't really believe that. That they both have Covid now is a direct and logical result of their chosen political affiliations and their decision to get on board Trump's crazy train.

Still... it's funny. To me. (Sorry not sorry to those who find that offensive. Smile )

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@CS in AZ the name Stepian sounded familiar to me but the names of all the DC minions tend to run together into a blob for me, and therefore, I didn't bother to look it up.

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@CS in AZ

agree that the concept of Karma is questionable
in the global sense, individually is another matter.
Good things happen to good people.

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@Anja Geitz WH Barrett thingy. He also did debate prep with Trump (for a few minutes anyway), but wasn't part of the Trump entourage to Cleveland. So, there were a few opportunities for Christie to get "just a flu."

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@Marie

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The irony that Walter Reade Hospital is "socialized" medicine being lost on him I'm sure. The comment about progress is just obnoxious.

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@Anja Geitz

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz another presidential perq. His digs at Walter Reed are similar to those at the WH; so, he's right at home. (Although I don't know why the hell we pay for a "presidential suite" at Walter Reed when it's unoccupied almost all the time. A regular private room is sufficient. It's not as if a POTUS isn't expendable.)

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@Anja Geitz would be symptoms and/or positive test on Wednesday:

This could lead to criminal charges and a large number of liability suits. Bankrupting the guy for real would for him be a fate worse than death.

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@Marie

If his doctor is already "correcting" what he said.

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Trump
McConnell

Anyone else?

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This shit is bananas.

Defacto Pence.

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