@mimi

with me after reading your comment a third time, then sleeping on it are that i don't guess very few USian voters ever heard (or will hear) RFK jr's speech in berlin.

i'd also wondered if the the many neo-nazis in the crowd were AfD or similar, as in akin to Trumpista no-maskers.

i'd asked if thes nations were similarly ill-served by their governments during lockdowns as this nation is, i.e.: no jobs, bankrupt businesses if any, can't feed their families, and so on. i wasn't quite able to suss out much in that regard in your comment save 'furloughs'.

i really can't answer your Qs and assertions as to where and how, and the funders of RFK's speeches in the US, as i really can't even speculate on the answer, nor how he ended up in in berlin: by invitation, his suggestion, or what?

but you may want to read c.j. hopkins' first person account that lot lizard brought; it's magnificent, imo.
counterpunch used to carry his columns, but i can't recall seeing any lately.

in Berlin and other European cities, doesn't explain what exactly the 'medical tyranny' is supposed to mean.

To enforce mask wearing in public, schools and indoor gatherings is not tyranny, but necessary common sense measures to try to keep the virus from spreading freely.

To have a little mask over your mouth doesn't even take any freedoms of speech away from you. Contrary you have to speak up louder to be understood. Those protesters surely don't mind to shout out their opinions a little louder from under the masks. I do not take any claims of victimhood from those who have to 'endure the tyranny of having to wear a mask' seriously. Poor kiddos. And yes, some of those 'kiddos' are the new generation of neo-nazis in Germany. People, who can't admit that there are quite some neo-nazis among the agitators, are in dangerous denial. They may not be in the thousands, but not anymore to be overlooked.

The videos don't show, who is undermining those protest, who is using them for what purposes, and who managed to get that many peope on to the streets with whose funds.
So, I would not get too impressed with those protests. It is more or less the usual sises for protest in Europe for issues that go under their skin.

If same pictures were taken in the US cities, I would judge those differently.

Putting people on furlough, because businesses do not generate enough income from their customers anymore, as those customers have to stay home, is to me emotionally unacceptable. If distance requirements and mask wearing can be controlled and enforced, that would be enough.

Lockdowns are not necessary. That is victimization.It is not medical tyranny, but political tyranny, imo. Lockdowns in apartments over weeks is like caging people. People are no apes.

Kids should go to schools and be forced by their teachers to wear masks. Hygine and distance keeping should be organized by the schools and endforced. Homeschooling through parents because both kids and parents are asked to stay in their homes and appartments, is the worst measure and pretty much psychological tyranny for both, kids and parents. It is not necessary imo.

I have my doubts, when heroes and martyrs and victims are created simultaneously. Something is in the air that doesn't smell right, when this happens.

RFK Jr. speech I agree very much with in its content. He is very kind to bestow the Berlin protesters with so much love and support. I thank him for it, because he didn't have to be so kind to us.

But RFK Jr. speech in Berlin is a campaign speech for the American voters.

So, I have the question:
Could RFK Jr. have made this speech in Washington DC ot NYC, get the same crowd and with no violent police force and with no undermining political agitators?

If your answer would be no, then the RFKJr. speech in Berlin was a necessity for RFK Jr, because he couldn't have held it inside the US. If true, that would be the real tragedy here, imo.

Peace and love to my American neighbors, friends and teachers. I learn a lot from you every day.

Thank you Wendy to put that discussion on the table. It hits a nerve, so to speak.

@fire with fire

similarly before, and whether or not he's the author of this nightmare, i'd say know, although some believe so. clearly he'd gamed out 'a novel corona virus' in 2019:

Event 201

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.

(Statement about nCoV and our pandemic exercise)

In recent years, the world has seen a growing number of epidemic events, amounting to approximately 200 events annually. These events are increasing, and they are disruptive to health, economies, and society. Managing these events already strains global capacity, even absent a pandemic threat. Experts agree that it is only a matter of time before one of these epidemics becomes global—a pandemic with potentially catastrophic consequences. A severe pandemic, which becomes “Event 201,” would require reliable cooperation among several industries, national governments, and key international institutions.

on the right sidebar: Media

Event 201 Media
Videos
Photos
#Event201

even a nifty 12-min highlights reel.

but when i'd posted the tome a Gates exposé by grayzone authors greenstein and loffredo earlier: 'Why the Bill Gates global health empire promises more empire and less public health, Behind a veil of corporate media PR, the Gates Foundation has served as a vehicle for Western capital while exploiting the Global South as a human laboratory. The coronavirus pandemic is likely to intensify this disturbing agenda

...no one had read it or referred to it, although magiamma came on later and said she sure would. i'd unwound about have of it, synopsized some, showed headings, etc. and it really is a monstrous read, including its length, esp. for slow readers like i am.

now phil butler at NEO thinks he may have created it or close, but his piece strings gates into Zbig's book subtitled: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era, and the reason i done brung it up was your mention of:

'...a “how-to” book on methods for using computers and communications technologies as a means of transforming society.'

it's also a mean, long read, but full of valuable connected names and incestuous relationships among mega-power brokers. his ending sounds a bit tongue-in-cheek, but who knows?

Trump is destroying the Republican Party for good. Technocrat Bill Gates has monopolized immunization and will leverage it for this new Technetronic Society. The money and power behind this forceful transformation of our society are incalculable, mostly unseen, and probably unstoppable. Think about it, a plan to take over the world put in place decades ago, a plan hardly anyone notices because of its incremental, indomitable, and relentless nature. Sounds conspiratorial, doesn’t it? Well, conspiracies killed Caesar and overthrew the Czar. Conspiracies were the seeds of the American Revolution and the French one too. What? You think control is just a roll of the dice?

I have been baffled by this night mare since I first heard the idea of "shelter in place." It struck me as the craziest idea I had ever heard in my life. I have no expertise and that is why my head did not explode -- I figured that there must be something going on that I did not understand. This was a "novel" virus, a new thing, so it makes a kind of sense to take new and different measures to cope with it.

From the start, there were various interpretations of what is really going on -- all dismissed as "conspiracy theories." I found none of them persuasive as I do not buy the idea that capitalism will create a Depression on purpose. Certainly not the greatest Depression of all time. I hear about buying up assets really cheap after previous tenants and business owners go belly up. Uh, belly up is belly up for good this go around.

Who knows anything? The only thing you can be sure of is that lots of special interests are buying their way into cyberspace with organized bullshit, counter bullshit and counter-counter bullshit.

Is Bill Gates THE Doctor Evil of this dystopian movie we are living through? Sounds plausible to me, but impossible to "prove" in this age of Universal Illegitimacy.

@lotlizard

thank you so much for C J Hopkin's first person account and german background history background redux in august 2020. i' meant to ask mimi if she'd thought most of the folks at the protest were AfD sorts (are they the neo-nazis?)

'a must read' always puts me off, but it's sincerely illuminating as to what the advance MSM reporting was. in part:

In Berlin, in the days leading up to the protests, government officials and corporate media propagandists did what officials and propagandists do … they relentlessly repeated their official narrative, namely, that anyone protesting the New Normal (or doubting the official Coronavirus narrative) is a “violent neo-Nazi extremist,” or “conspiracy theorist,” or some other form of existential “threat to democracy.”

This official narrative was originally disseminated following the August 1 protest in Berlin, the scale of which took the authorities by surprise. Tens or hundreds of thousands of people (depending on whose narrative you believe) gathered in the city to protest the New Normal and its increasingly absurd “emergency measures.” The German media, CNN, The New York Times, and other “respectable news outlets” uniformly condemned them as “neo-Nazis,” or insinuated that they were “neo-Nazi-sympathizers.”

Despite the finding of Germany’s Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution that only “individual members of far-right-groups” had taken part in the August 1 protest, and that “far-right extremists had no formative influence on the demos,” both the German and international corporate media pumped out story after story about the ultra-violent neo-Nazi hordes that were about to descend on Berlin, again!

this is just rollicking brilliant:

On Saturday, hundreds of thousands of protesters (the overwhelming majority of whom were not neo-Nazis, or Nazi-sympathizers, or any other kind of monsters) poured into the streets of central Berlin. The police surrounded them, trapping them on the avenues, closed off the side streets so they couldn’t get out, and, once again, tried to ban the protest on the grounds that they weren’t “social distancing.” Everyone sat down in the street. Cops stalked around in their masks and body armor, sweating heavily, and occasionally pushing people. Lawyers made phone calls. It was very hot. This went on for quite a while.
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And, finally, we have come to the main event … which, of course, was not this enormous gathering of totally non-violent, non-Nazi people peacefully protesting the New Normal totalitarianism, nor the speech of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. No, the “story,” the official main event, was the “Storming of the Reichstag building by Nazis.”

thanks again, miz lizard.

with his wife and a big Israeli Star of David flag (he showed me a photo on his cellphone).

The version of events he and other participants shared with their Stammtisch (table reserved for a group of regulars who frequent a bar or restaurant) agrees with what C.J. Hopkins is describing here:

https://www.unz.com/chopkins/new-normal-gleichschaltung/

He and other people in his neighborhood political karass sounded fully convinced that the “storming the Reichstag” incident was a government and media false-flag psyop to distract from and discredit what they believe is a real incipient mass mobilization — against physical, mental, economic, and web-communications “lockdown.”