I haven't forgotten you...

As Larry Wilmore says frequently about Bill Cosby, I haven't forgotten.

The United States tortures. It has tortured non-combatants and innocents without scruple or a break (yeah, that means YOU Mr. Obama) since at least 9/11. The reason that the remaining Guantanamo detainees can not be released from indefinite detention, a lifetime behind barbed wire without a warrant or trial, is because they have been tortured and will testify to it under oath in a real Court of Law and not some Kangaroo Star Chamber Secret Military Tribunal which expressly forbids that testimony. In a real Court statements extracted by torture are no evidence at all, except against the Torturers who in my opinion should rot in Spandau for the rest of their lives in the cells that used to hold Nazis.

You know, it takes a lot of Chutzpah to live downwind of Auschwitz and have watched the Jews and Gypsies and Gays go in and not come out like a Roach Motel for Humans and scrubbed the soot and grease from the crematoria off your windows and walls and smelled the stench and say- "I didn't know what was happening."

I call those people "Good Germans". That's why I got banned from dK the first time. I don't regret it and I have never, ever apologized.

That issue was the publication of actual factual photographs of U.S. Military personel in uniform torturing Iraquis in Abu Ghraib. There are thousands of them in the possesion of the United States Government under Barack Obama, none have ever been released to my knowledge including several hundred that a Judge ordered released pursuant to an FOIA suit.

Now we find that the CIA has more photos, these of abductees (not prisoners, they were never arrested) taken before they were shipped off to be tortured further by Assad, Mubarak, Qadaffi (recognize those names? You should) and others.

These abductees were stripped naked, blindfolded, and bound; and many of them show signs of recent bruising where they were beaten by their CIA captors torturers.

CIA photographed detainees naked before sending them to be tortured
by Spencer Ackerman, The Guardian
Monday 28 March 2016 07.44 EDT

A former US official who had seen some of the photographs described them as “very gruesome”.

The naked imagery of CIA captives raises new questions about the seeming willingness of the US to use what one medical and human rights expert called “sexual humiliation” in its post-9/11 captivity of terrorism suspects. Some human rights campaigners described the act of naked photography on unwilling detainees as a potential war crime.

Unlike video evidence of CIA torture at its undocumented “black site” prisons that were destroyed in 2005 by a senior official, the CIA is said to retain the photographs.

In some of the photos, which remain classified, CIA captives are blindfolded, bound and show visible bruises. Some photographs also show people believed to be CIA officials or contractors alongside the naked detainees.
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The rationale for the naked photography, described by knowledgeable sources, was to insulate the CIA from legal or political ramifications stemming from their brutal treatment in the hands of its partner intelligence agencies.

Stripping the victims of clothing was considered necessary to document their physical condition while in CIA custody, distinguishing them at that point from what they would subsequently experience in foreign custody – despite the public diplomatic assurances against torture that the US demonstrably collected from countries with a record of torturing detainees.
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International human rights law, to include the Geneva conventions, forbids photographing prisoners except in extremely limited circumstances related to their detention, to include anything that might compromise their dignity.

“Photographing or videotaping detainees in US custody unrelated to the processing of prisoners or the management of detention facilities can constitute a violation of the laws of war, including the Geneva conventions, in some cases,” said Nathaniel Raymond, a researcher at the Harvard Humanitarian Initiative and an expert on detainee abuse.

“Any evidence that the CIA or any other US government agency intentionally photographed naked detainees should be investigated by law enforcement as a potential violation of domestic and international law.”

The naked photographs from rendition targets are distinct from previously identified caches of torture photos from the US military and the CIA. The renditions remain the most secret aspect of the CIA’s since-discontinued apparatus of detentions, prisoner transfers and abusive interrogations.

In 2015, attorneys for the former black-site detainees now charged with war crimes at Guantánamo Bay learned of the existence of up to 14,000 photographs the CIA took and maintains of their former detainees. That cache is not believed to contain photographs of people the agency rendered to allied intelligence services. All of those photos remain undisclosed to the public.
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the CIA “routinely” stripped its own detainees nude, although Justice Department officials did not formally approve the practice until 2005. Often the nudity occurred in tandem with other torture techniques, such as shackling and frigid conditions, leading in at least one case to a detainee’s death.
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“This technique is used to cause psychological discomfort, particularly if a detainee, for cultural or other reasons, is especially modest,” a Justice Department official observed in 2005 during the course of an internal debate about retaining or abandoning the torture techniques. The official, in a memo declassified early in the Obama administration, considered forced nudity distinct from “any acts of implicit or explicit sexual degradation”.

The distinction was less clear in practice. The Senate report documented that CIA officials inserted pureed food into detainees’ anuses, a procedure the agency alleges was a medically necessary practice called “rectal rehydration” but which human rights advocates consider sexual assault. The “rehydration” left detainee Mustafa Hawsawi, who is held at Guantánamo currently facing a US military tribunal in connection with the 9/11 attacks, with a rectal prolapse and related persistent medical problems.

Perhaps you're a little kinky and don't consider bondage pix that big a deal, even if it's without consent.

Anal Rape is Anal Rape, and it's a War Crime. We've hung people for less.

(Of course it's cross posted from The Stars Hollow Gazette and DocuDharma)

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Hope all's well with you.

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A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

same as I've been doing for 11 years now April 1st. Docs say my health is good for someone in my condition and I feel better than I have in a long time. My Therapist touts me as proof that it works.

TSHG and DD take up a lot of my time and I do wish for better participation, but I write for me.

A summer of travel so blogging will be sucky as Atrios puts it.

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I just want to remind all of our duly elected representatives who signed off on that shit, and enabled that shit...

Sleep tight. For the rest of your life, because it IS coming. May take a while, but it's coming.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Hey, if we feel enough Bern maybe Henry the K will get was he deserves.

Bastard.

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i haven't forgotten you. but i think DD has forgotten me: i've forgotten my password and it doesn't seem to have a record of me. did you guys change your format?

glad glad glad to see you, you old curmudgeon! hugs & kisses.

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“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"

Umm... Yeah Soapblox folded, we had to move to Wordpress. Some passwords got hinked, I guess yours was one.

If you have your registration mailbox you can try to use the automated Password Recovery. If not I'll check back in. My mail hasn't changed, I'm not just any Six- I seduced Gaius Balthasar and stole the Defense codes so we could destroy the 12 Colonies and now they call me Caprica (with an underscore). I'm still a Yahoo.

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well, it's 10:30pm here and I'm going to walk the dog, have hot cup of tea and maybe watch a movie. then bedtime.

later.

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“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"

long before Bernie people were pissing Kos off. The place was never the same after ek and buhdy got banned. If you google banned from dailykos, you can find people going all the way back to 2004. Does anyone remember Petey? Some things never change.

Nice to see you again, ek.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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I got once enervated by a diary of Bob Johnson, who wrote a sarcastic piece of the "Good Germans". I made a comment so "well formulated" that he didn't get what on earth I could have possibly against this kind of subject being treated with sarcasm. So, I said nothing more and left him wondering about my comment on his own. Comparing to your expression in the quoted paragraph below, Bob Johnson's diary was a sweet pie.

You know, it takes a lot of Chutzpah to live downwind of Auschwitz and have watched the Jews and Gypsies and Gays go in and not come out like a Roach Motel for Humans and scrubbed the soot and grease from the crematoria of your windows and walls and smelled the stench and say- "I didn't know what was happening." -

Hmm, Good American, what would you have done when you had lived downwind of Auschwitz or may be a little bit further down, so that you didn't smell the stench and didn't have to scrub the soot and grease from the crematoria?

Just asking. Greetings from a descendant of a couple of Good Germans. My father, a Good German, learned about Auschwitz in the years from 1948 to 1953, after coming back from Russian POW camp near Moscow. Everything he really learned through the books and documentaries and witness reports that had been published way after the war. Contrary to many beliefs, the information was publicized after the war.

If you look at the list of Camps it's hard to believe, right? Not all camps had ovens and chimneys with stinking smells of human flesh being burned. One would have guessed these were forced labor camps. People knew about them, often. I talked to my job colleagues in Berlin in the mid seventies about it a lot. People knew a lot, but not everything.

It's ok. I wondered a lot about it in my life too. Just couldn't find an answer. May be you can help me out on that one? And at a side note, it's not helping you to not become a Good American by pointing out to the Good Germans's chutzpah.

I would wish for you that it would be so, but it ain't. It's a fallacy. No education on earth saves you from not recognizing, what to do to not be a Good American while atrocities happen in your current real life time surroundings. The Americans have all the information they need, they just have to read, and nevertheless it doesn't seem they can really change much, doesn't it? It's heartbreaking and people despair over those facts, but it's mostly a fact. The Good People of the world don't know how to prevent the Bad People of the world from being murderous torturing assholes.

I hope you are not offended. And I don't want to discourage you from writing what you think might be helpful for today's American to not become "Good Americans". One should never give up. I commend you for writing your heart out. Just ... I have given up on its effectiveness quite some time ago. It's just a personal thing. As you can see it took me 12 years of reading TOP to end up being upfront with my feelings about Americans pointing out to the Good Germans to make a case. Sounds good, one can hope it may help, one shouldn't stop trying to educate and talk truth to power, but it's really hard to believe it actually makes a difference. Just my two cents of depression.

Peace, I am with OPOL. Love me my peace, especially if it could be peace of mind as well.

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I don't labor under an illusion of safety. I know for a fact I'm monitored because of who I know and what I say.

When I post no more you'll know they've come for me. Unless I get sick again, I've already lived longer than my most optimistic Doctors anticipated.

I don't flatter myself, my unimportance and ineffectuality is why they haven't come so far, but I am a canary.

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are not normal and my reactions out of the line. I guess because I had too many different out of the line exposures for certain racial based themes and it had left scars. When something scratches on these scars, I can't anymore oppress my thoughts. I did this my whole life and it was not that good.

I hope you will not be in danger and that you will not be sick and your health will be stable. Now I will look out for you. My capacities to read several blogs are not that strong. But I'll try.

All of this makes me so sick in my stomach. You are a truth teller. And to come after you for it would be a crime. I am so disappointed in this country. I am sorry, I never had expected it would be that damaging. I feel like a heap of nothingness. May be it's depressions which speaks out of my words.

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while I have never met you, I feel like you much of the time.
I guess these feelings _should_ count as depression, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. Better than delusional, heh.
On the other hand, what cheers me up is that I am sure we are all way too unimportant to really attract dangerous attention.
So I'll just keep doing what I am doing. And I'll leave you with this poem that used to cheer up my grandfather, who definitely suffered from depression (translated from, what else, the German as best I can. I'll just keep the meaning, abandon the rhymes).

A Bird was trapped once by some glue
He flutters, struggles, can't go home.
But then - a fierce Tomcat closes in!
The Bird then thought to himself: might as well
still tweet and sing and whistle, 'til my time's up.

That's what I call a sense of humor.

(Wilhelm Busch, beloved author of children's cartoons - apparently he had issues with depression himself).

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Gandalf and Saruman unite, demand to bring back Greywolfe359!

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I am German, so I went back to the German version of the Wilhelm Busch poem and recognized it. I remember it.

Wilhelm Busch: Der humorvolle Vogel

Es sitzt ein Vogel auf dem Leim[1],
Er flattert sehr und kann nicht heim.
Ein schwarzer Kater schleicht herzu,
Die Krallen scharf, die Augen gluh[2].
Am Baum hinauf und immer höher
Kommt er dem armen Vogel näher.
Der Vogel denkt: Wie das so ist
Und weil mich doch der Kater frisst,
So will ich keine Zeit verlieren,
Will noch ein wenig quinquilieren[3]
Und lustig pfeifen wie zuvor.
Der Vogel, scheint mir, hat Humor.
Wilhelm Busch (1832 – 1908)

This is a pretty fine whistling birdie. Almost as good as good 'ol Sanders. Smile
[video:https://youtu.be/zO-aCQ6xH-8]

Thanks, I feel better today already. Air kiss

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and corrected it. My original intention was 'off' not 'of' and slightly changes the meaning but not in ways that are relevant to your argument, which I respect.

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good to see you. Sorry I missed this earlier, busy busy day, or I would have front paged it then, but it's there now.

Good piece.

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Amazing how Edward Snowden has to face the rule of the law, but we to just pretend torture didn't happen.

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good to see your post. I wasn't one to "follow" writers over at that other spot, but you were one of my favorites. Looking forward to seeing future installments!

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

you've been hanging out. And I'd forgotten about budhy as well. Funny how the people who actually cared were always booted from the Great Orange Satan. Establishment shills are still welcome though.

Kos actually argued, with the (horrible!) dk5 switch, that he wanted to sideline old-timers because we weren't contributing anything of value to the site anymore, and the future is the millenials anyway. Of course the fact that he banned all the old-timers wrote with their hearts has nothing to do with anything.

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The good Christian should beware of mathematicians. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of Hell. -- St. Augustine of Hippo

Ek, your coinage of "Good Germans" is brilliant! And you are quite right, the collective urge to close eyes and pretend not to know must have been incredible. Before the fall of the Third Reich, people have said that they had no way to know (so they thought it was just a forced labor camp? all right then). It still involved a lot of not-seeing, not-hearing, and not-thinking.

I'd say it's a better excuse that this evil was unprecedented, especially by its combination with modern technology (weapons and mass communication), I am sure the truth was hard to accept. But all the excuses fail after the war, when Germany for 15 - 20 years officially tried to 'look forward, not back' (the expression at the time was 'draw a line under the past'), suppressed this part of history by every means possible, and restored many prominent Nazis to positions of power. There was e.g. much concentration on the "innocent" history of Germany prior to the Nazis, the few brave souls who resisted were glorified and enlarged as much as possible (OK, these were heroes - but people tried to use them as a fig-leaf for the nation as a whole). Some small-time Nazis who had not done anything bad except be members of the NSDAP were hounded and made a scapegoat. Bigger fish e.g. judges who had been reliable allies of the Nazis to the end were almost never held responsible.

And still, as a nation-building exercise by the Americans, this was much better planned and executed than Iraq. The Americans actually made an effort at differentiating between small fry and big fish, however flawed; they tried to understand the nuances - and as always, it helped that these Germans were all good Christians and also lily-white.

BTW, I am German Smile And Mimi's point that there are "Good Americans" is true, but it does not make yours wrong.

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