A hard lesson to swallow--so breathe deep: Bioweaponry

The latest George Webb broadcast on bioterrorism is an eye-opener. And if you open your eyes, you assuredly will see if not the reality of what is going on, at least the shadows of the movings parts thereof. Or, one can go back to sleep with eyes open, e.g., watching Netflix. One has to be tuned into George Webb at least once a week, although 2 or 3 times weekly would also be helpful. A great deal of what he says in the following video has been dealt with by GW in prior videos (many of which are bing taken down by what GW calls "the CNN flying monkeys", presumably through DOS attacks or outright banning.

In the beginning of the video, GW mentions Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland who purchased 500,000 non-FDA approved test kits from South Korea. Guess what is his wife's nationality.

Why would Hogan do this. Price? Yeah, maybe. To obviate Federal shortages of test kit supplies? Maybe. To aid with Sumi Hogan's financial status? Maybe. To evade federal tracking of SARS2 results? Maybe. More maliciously, to perhaps push contaminated test kits which give you the virus as well as test for it? Maybe.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfamdDBoLbg]

So if you do watch the video, one theme emerges, amongst the many. Bioterrorism. Bioterrorism of course implies human involvement. This could be in the manner of weaponizing an existing pathogen, such as anthrax, by making it spreadable by aerosols. Bioterrorism could also involve manufacturing new pathogens out of old ones. Like perhaps SARS2. Many insist that SARS2 is a natural development, aided by enhanced evolution due to perhaps climate change--choose whatever excuse you want. It is irrelevant to the end result.

In a comment thread, some one remarked that no power would use a bioweapon with a lethality of only 2%. Says who? What if your concept of bioterrorism is different than the disseminators thereof? Perhaps killing off a large chunk of population with a super-lethal bioweapon would work. But it certainly wouldn't be subtle. Unless all the scientists die in the planedemic, work on threat reversal would begin immediately. Just look at what is happening with our current miasma. Genomic sequencing, sensitive/reliable test kits, vaccine projects, anti-viral medication, nom-medical interventions (like hand washing, contrast showers, zinc, vitamin C, etc.) would and have all sprung into being.

Tell me, fellow swampers, who ever used the term social distancing before the SARS2 event? Perhaps it was a polite term referring to avoiding close encounters with a know flatulator. Flood the zone. That's a good term too. Well known to sports fans but not to most other pastimes. Flooding the zone was a big topic at Obergruppenführer von Gates' Event 201 in October, 2019.

You know which was the last topic discussed at the event and not even on the agenda, until a medical device industry representative broached it?

There was no discussion of the medical system being overwhelmed. The rest was all about economics and public relations: raising money and spreading the blues.

So, if one's game plan is the long game, then one doesn't need and probably doesn't want to trigger mass death. Mass death invites lethal consequences for the perpetrators. But like chronic viral illness, the long game plan could successfully lower a nation's vitality by a series of stepwise reductions in societal health.

First SARS2
Then prolonged shutdown
Then economic collapse
Then starvation

And the poor boiled frogs (us) won't even know what hit us.

But, oops, some of us have caught on to the game. We don't all the players. Some of us are ignorant of the root cause (e.g., man-made weaponry). I include myself amongst the somewhat skeptical. But I am not severely skeptical.

Too many people on this blog site do not openly declare what is a simple truth:

Politics is a blood sport

That blood is yours and mine. Occasionally a Richie Rich gets thrown down the stairs to roll under a bus, like Harvey "Fuckem all" Weinstein and Jeffy "people collector" Epstein. But that happens when they become expendable. Fellow swampers, we are all expendable.

Those of us hoping for a savior political party or political candidate are just lighting candles in the wind.

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Targeting the old and those with comorbidities. As I said earlier this week letting young healthy folk gather (provided they don't live with grandparents) makes sense to me.

In some way we need the spread to get to herd immunity. Dontcha think?

Lose the fear and embrace a low dose perhaps? That's where my thinking is leading me.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout Trying to prod the Troglodytes from their fear caves is proving very difficult, even here in our learned swamp. If one has no comorbidities, other than being a political junkie, then one is quite safe going outside.

Maybe if enough people started understanding this, the system would be overwhelmed by those emerging from their Caves of Fear.

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@Lookout there are healthy active people in their 20s dying of Covid. Others that land in the hospital. And for some, symptoms linger for months. Now kids are getting something that looks like Kawasaki disease. A link has just been confirmed that these kids have Covid. There are quite a few kids with it in various European countries as well as in the US. They don't know yet if these children wil have permanent damage from the illness.

Too many people think this is a no big deal illness and/or that only old or fragile people are susceptible. And that is just not the case.

On top of that, people who had previously recovered from Covid are getting it again, 70 days later in one case, so there is no question of a false negative. There is no guarantee of getting immunity to this stuff. If there is not immunity, then you don't get herd immunity. It is dangerous to act on that belief.

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@Granma

I read a article this morning about how a young woman was an avid runner who did 3 miles running each day and then walked a few more miles. She caught COVID and was hospitalized for over a month and now she is still struggling to breathe and has other problems with her organs. This has happened all over the world and we are going to see the disability rolls explode. Well as long as they are being funded that is huh? And now we are seeing increasing numbers of kids getting Kawasaki and I think it would be hard to choose not risking people’s lives and health or taking the chance of losing everything. All of this could have been avoided if we didn’t have sociopaths running the world. But mostly they’re running our government.

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A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.

@Granma
Another concern is the possibility that people who have been infected with Covid-19 may become much more ill if they catch a mutated form of the virus again in a few years. There are already several different types of Covid-19. People who catch one of the two major types of Covid-19 probably will have immunity to the other type. The longer the virus is allowed to run wild through the population the more types of the virus are likely to develop.

The reason people may have a much worse illness if they are infected a second time is a problem called antibody dependent enhancement (or ADE). During the first infection the person develops antibodies that help them get rid of the virus. When they are infected with a slightly different form of the virus the antibodies can actually help the virus get into the cells of the infected person. This make the second infection much more serious.

Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of viral entry has been a major concern for epidemiology, vaccine development, and antibody-based drug therapy. However, the molecular mechanism behind ADE is still elusive. Coronavirus spike protein mediates viral entry into cells by first binding to a receptor on the host cell surface and then fusing viral and host membranes. . . . Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of viral entry has been observed for many viruses. It was shown that antibodies target one serotype of viruses but only subneutralize another, leading to ADE of the latter viruses. Here we identify a novel mechanism for ADE: a neutralizing antibody binds to the surface spike protein of coronaviruses like a viral receptor, triggers a conformational change of the spike, and mediates viral entry

ADE has been observed for coronaviruses. . . . it has long been known that immunization of cats with feline coronavirus spike leads to worsened future infection due to the induction of infection-enhancing antibodies

Wan et.al. J. Virology 94(5) March 2020

ADE makes vaccine development more difficult, but there were some animal studies that showed that ADE could probably be avoided with a SARS vaccine. This new virus has a lot of the same biological characteristics as the SARS virus, so there is hope for a vaccine reasonably soon.

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@ScienceTeacher This comment is addressed to Science Teacher, snoopydawg and granma.

If there is a one in a hundred thousand chance that person gets Reye's syndrome or hemorrhagic purpura from auto-immune mechanisms from disease X, are we to assume, then that 99,999 people came within a hair's breadth of that catastrophe?

Lock down society.

Everybody is simultaneously an individual and a statistic waiting to be collated. Why don't you have cancer? That's common enough. Contrarily, why don't you have cancer?

Think about people who have never smoked tobacco in their lives getting one of various types of lung cancer. Wow. What do we do now? Ban air breathing? So you say, cut pollution. But how many non-smokers are going to die before that happens?

So, if we adopt the scaredy-cat stance that "my non-smoking neighbor got lung cancer, so we have to ban breathing" attitude, then do we hold our breath?

Of course, the above scenario is extreme to the maximum. But life is not black and white. And neither are the consequences of our actions or inactions. To some degree we reap what we sow. But an a meteor or a mis-fired bullet or a falling tree can kill you quite dead. Do we not walk in forests because a tree limb can fall and kill you? Independent of what we do, we all are survivors in a gigantic game of chance called life. Those who are in health care know exactly what I am talking about.

Oh, poor Jennie got Kawasaki disease from the RONA! Sad. But inevitable. The 1 in 10,000 chance.

50 people die yearly due to domesticated horses. Do we stop riding horses?

Where does risk avoidance get replaced by risk acceptance? Life is inherently unsafe. I vividly remember the story of a Florida woman quietly sleeping in her bedroom when her own bedroom with her in bed were sucked into a 50 foot deep sinkhole without warning. Are you going to avoid sleeping in your bed? Where do you draw the line?

Here's my feeling: if the odds are 1 to 10,000 that something bad will happen to me because of situation X (disease, occupation, avocation, etc.) I'll take that risk. Perhaps that's the odds of children getting Kawaaki disease from the RONA. It might be 1 in 1000. Is that risk too high to let Jennie play with her school friends?

You tell me. I have my own personal answer. My answer is not your answer. You are all capable of making informed decisions.

But if you let your life be ruled by anecdotes, then you will be paralyzed into inaction.

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@Alligator Ed

I think it would be hard to choose not risking people’s lives and health or taking the chance of losing everything. All of this could have been avoided if we didn’t have sociopaths running the world. But mostly they’re running our government.

I’ll expand on this. I mean if congress had given people the financial support needed to survive this epidemic and economic crash then people wouldn’t be rushing out to work until the situation improves. States are reopening business while ignoring the rules Trump put in place which were that states should only reopen after the infection rate was down for 2 weeks. Instead many states are posting increasingly higher numbers of both infections and deaths daily.

So, if we adopt the scaredy-cat stance that "my non-smoking neighbor got lung cancer, so we have to ban breathing" attitude, then do we hold our breath?

Ed you’re a doctor who has the option to see the results of how this affects the bodies of people who get infected. Who should get to decide that people have to risk their very lives just so the elites don’t lose too much money? The most vulnerable people who are being forced back to work are those that are the least paid. Are they scaredy-cats for not wanting to risk dying from this and leaving their families without financial support? Anyone forced back to work and gets sick because their employers won’t spend the money to protect them are going to be left with no option to sue them because their employers are asking for immunity from being held accountable for it. This means that they don’t even have the option to file a worker’s compensation claim which was created so that employers can’t be sued for what many of them are doing right now. All so they can put their fucking profits before people’s lives. Calling them scaredy-cats is below the belt.

But if you let your life be ruled by anecdotes, then you will be paralyzed into inaction.

This invalidates what you said to on the cusp. In my opinion.

PS..another thing we are seeing is a deliberate attempt to cull the herd by not protecting the most vulnerable among us. The elderly in nursing homes who in some states count for up to 50% of deaths. Is it also scaredy-cat to not want to expose you elderly family with COVID?

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A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.

@snoopydawg it's not about the rich losing money. That's illusionary. It springs right back quite quickly.
The poor are getting murdered by this.
Slavery or starvation.
Those are the true risks we are taking.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain

Profits are one thing, control is something else. You might have missed the other comments I’ve made on this that shows it’s more than just that.

The poor are getting murdered by this.

This was my point.

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@Lookout , and, though not a Trumpian, she is acting exactly like one, declaring the virus a hoax, and furious that she can't hang out with her friends, possibly at our expense.

It's pretty frustrating.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

a comment perhaps tangentially a cc to Lookout?
I have a LOT of say how I go out.
Yeppers, smoking, drinking, or a fucking bullet to the head, if I so choose. I choose the first 2. Can EASILY accomplish option 3.
Al Ed, you say fear.
I say, choice.
I am not afraid of a goddamn thing that I am aware of. Let me repeat that: I am not afraid of a goddam thing.
We all die. Nobody disagrees. Seems like a very peaceful final solution, in reality.
Do we want to stay in, get some safe communication with our family and loved ones a few more weeks or months? Is that the argument? Like, we are more entitled than the largest prison population on the globe?
Or is the sand and water on the beach worth a child living the rest of their life with heart problems?
Playing soccer? Sharing tips on cool back packs for when school ever reopens?
Will that 8 year old child remember that day when they hung out with their 3rd grade pal in the park, and never experienced good health again?
And they will blame their parents and grandparents who thought freedom and social afternoons were of paramount importance.
As someone who was near death for the first 31 years of my life, don't foist this on anybody. No fucking kid should EVER endure what I did, by some adult's consent.
Sorry if I was snippy.
This is very personal.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp @on the cusp Read carefully: "if you have disabilities, stay indoors safely." What is that foisting on you. 1 in 10,000 cases of measles gets encephalitis. So you won't vaccinate your kids whose chances of getting measles then becomes quite high. And this non-vaccinated but now infected kid gets encephalitis. Or say you do vaccinate your kid who, son of a gun, gets measles and encephalitis anyway. What to do? Am I telling you what to do? I think not. If you think that I am foisting something over on you, how good were you against opposing counsel if a fucking guy who admits that he is staying home due to his own co-morbidities (of which I have several) is urging you, almost coercing you to endanger your life? Maybe this cave dwelling is driving you batty because bats live in caves.

If you want to criticize me, fine. Do it. But state the coercion. State my falacious, misleading arguments.

Did I tell you not to enjoy life?

You tell me, specifically, as you legal types are wont to do. Give me a bill of particulars, please. We'll present it to the judicial authorities capable of determining threats to life and limb.

Fine, you're snippy. I don't blame you. But accusing me of encouraging people to endanger themselves is not only insulting to me as a professional, it is flat out wrong.

Hereinafter, affiant sayeth naught.

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@Alligator Ed Your thick scales or not all that thick, so it seems.
My point is that you have been encouraging freedom of movement.
In your professional opinion, that is your conclusion.
My eyes glaze over at the data, and at the data that completely flips the next day. I see it totally differently, and as a damn champion of freedom of movement, that says worlds.
I have a couple of things to do, then I don't give a shit about data. I just need to do these couple of things, then I will go to the beach in Galveston, hug a long, tall, lanky stranger.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp My thick scales are penetrated by Kryptonite only--that kryptonite comes in the form of insinuations that I am trying to tell people to do something unsafe or have behaved against patients' well-being.

As someone who was near death for the first 31 years of my life, don't foist this on anybody.

If not aimed at me personally, what the hell did you mean by that in a comment addressed to me, counselor?

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@Alligator Ed I am having a bad day, or at least a bad night.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

@Alligator Ed
I fucking had it with you. Good fucking bye.

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@JtC
Thanks for saving me from the overwhelming urge to address this:

Oh, poor Jennie got Kawasaki disease from the RONA! Sad. But inevitable. The 1 in 10,000 chance.

I have a feeling he might be having some type of episode, because he wasn't always this way. It's sad.

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@Deja

I have a feeling he might be having some type of episode, because he wasn't always this way.

Glad to read that I'm not the only one who noticed this. I've been worried due to it, and still am.

Sad, yes ...but more worried than sad. Hell, both.

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@travelerxxx @JtC @alligator ed @OtC @Deja
that one person's trauma and the need to sometimes talk about it out loud online, is as justified to be given to the next person's need, a person, who has its own traume, just another sort of trauma or caused by somthing different. We know about other folks's trauma only in so far, as they hint themselves openly that they might have one. Unusual blow-ups and button pushing expressions again and again, make other people worry about those persons and they start asking themselves how and through what those blow-ups have been caused.

Some people can handle Alligator Ed's way of 'pushing buttons' and realize there is something behind the obviously elaborate skills of being a master button pusher. What it might be though, that is behind it, is not known to most of us 'frustrato-istas'. All one has are silent thoughts about it, and in order to not hurt people's sensitivities, one also stays silent. Staying silent then again leads to accusation by some to being a coward to not speak up. Probably one doesn't want people to not speak up on a blog like C99p. So, what to do with these conflicting feelings and thoughts?

I wonder if JtC as the administrator of this site knows more about C99p members trauma than we do. If so, it may be possible that he feels it is more responsible to curtail free expressions to some, because JtC thinks other members need to be protected. Because other members have their own trauma to not being able to deal well with AE's expressions. So I wondered if JtC knows more than we do.

I think this urge to protect others might be a sign of JtC being heavily challenged and that again might be a consequence of his own traumatic experiences in life.

It might also be a sign of his empathy with those, who he thinks have suffered unfairness in life more than others and are 'more of a victim than others' I have no difficulties to handle both emotions, the sadness about AE's ban and the weakness of JtC to not be able to handle AE's expressions over his own empathies JtC has for victimized people.

The only difference between all our traumatized participants on C99p is that JtC is the only one, who can decapitate a member. That is an awful task to have. He does it very seldom, but once in a while he uses the guillotine.

I have to say that I am glad that Germany has outlawed the death penalty and put a hate-speech rubber band law into our basic law, just to help people with the need to display emotions in public, to not do harm to other people's feelings too easily.

I am not despaired about JtC's decision, but nevertheless feel, the ban of AE is not what I would have wanted to see, even if that may disgust JtC, who expressed his disgust feelings to me once, when I apparently supported AE's talk too much.

It's not fun watching the 'I am a victim pushers' to influence another victims, who need to push buttons to be heard, make a victimized executioner use the death penalty. (what a sentence, God forgive, I don't know how to express myself better)

I would say, don't hang the Alligator, may be avoiding the hangman from using the guillotine in the end would help more and not hurt in real terms. Words have meaning, but so far digital voices have not killed my body. So, let's go on living, talking freely and learn about dealing successfully with the 'emotion pushers'.

Chamomile tea is good to calm down, peppermint tea is good to stay alert, strong coffee is seducive but can cause "Dünnpfiff" (short-term diarrhea), a nap is good to forget. and before I take the next nap, I need a beer or may be a cognac or a cognac this time. (What to do, what to do, I want to sleep, but alcohol makes me dance on the table. So much conflict, so little solutions. Sigh.)

Please don't endanger the platform we need to talk and to inform us and learn about the 'make believe'-pusher-methods'.

Thanks for allowing me to express my thoughts.

Nothing for Ungood, neither to AE, nor JtC, nor OtC, or to the platform of C99p as a whole.

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Here's a CT tidbit from a previous video for your info:
US PATIENT ZERO CRASHES IN WUHAN GAMES

I have been following events in China concerning Covid-19 daily since Jan 4. The one thing that struck me was the speed and efficiency in the handling of the outbreak in Wuhan. I believe this was due to Xi Jinping's position as General Secretary of the Communist Party and Central Committee as well as Chairman of the Central Military Commission. He is a master of decisively delegating authority to those under him and letting them do their job.

COVID-19 pandemic lockdown in Hubei

On 23 January 2020, the central government of China imposed a lockdown in Wuhan and other cities in Hubei in an effort to quarantine the center of an outbreak of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19); this action is commonly referred to as the "Wuhan lockdown" (Chinese: 武汉封城; pinyin: Wǔhàn fēng chéng). The World Health Organization (WHO), although stating that it was beyond its own guidelines, commended the move, calling it "unprecedented in public health history".[2]

The lockdown in Wuhan set the precedent for similar measures in other Chinese cities. Within hours of the Wuhan lockdown, travel restrictions were also imposed on the nearby cities of Huanggang and Ezhou, and were eventually imposed on all 15 other cities in Hubei, affecting a total of about 57 million people.[3][4] On 2 February 2020, Wenzhou, Zhejiang, implemented a seven-day lockdown in which only one person per household was allowed to exit once each two days, and most of the highway exits were closed.[5] On 13 March 2020, Huangshi[6] and Qianjiang[7] became the first Hubei cities to remove strict travel restrictions within part or all of their administrative confines. On April 8, 2020, the Wuhan lockdown officially ended.[8]

In addition to these lockdowns there was the logistics of bringing food, staples, medical supplies/equipment, plus the hundreds of tons of building materials for the two 1000+ bed hospitals now under construction from hundreds and thousands of miles away. Truck convoys with police escorts clearing highway traffic by radio in advance were set up. Hundreds of factories started increasing production of the medical materiel and equipment they knew they would require.

The entire operation worked exceedingly smooth mainly due to the full co-operation and selfless sacrifice of the Chinese people.

China's government reacted to this pandemic as if they were under attack from a dangerous foreign enemy that wanted to destroy them...............

Meanwhile Xi Jinping has not forgotten the personal project he set in motion in 2016 - to alleviate absolute poverty in China by the end of 2020. He has made a point of visiting places that were slated for improvement despite the coronavirus pandemic. His roots come from these places and the people know he is sincere and really love him.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGmnEElM5bE]

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hoping that the emotional responses some people have towards comments other peoples make, will not cause them to spew out fire from their mouths like the dragons.

I wished we would not see heads being cut off and rolling, including the dragon's ones.

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I try to listen to doctors / virologist / scientists and politicians. I try to understand what kind of advice the politicians accept to take into account from them. Then I try to make up my mind if the advice, the politicians have taken into account in their own decisions to protect people from the disease politically, can be put into legal language to enforce those over the population.

Other than masks, lockdown and the funding of developing a vaccine or testing a drug for its efficieny to kill the virus without damaging other organs to collapse, there is nothing I can see being done.

My conclusion:
1. Wearing masks don't harm people's organs, can be asked for to comply with. Refusing to wear a mask when outside your home, is imo irresponsible towards your fellow neighbor and yourself.

2. Lockdown in your homes, pro-longed and strictly: I am no supporter of it. Refusing to obey those orders is more or less a given, people should have their freedom to decide on how much movement and scoial contacts they need to stay mentally stable. It's their own right to decide their own risks they take to move outside their homes, as long as they are at least wearing the masks and keep the social distance rules, where they can be easily managed (like supermarkets and food stores and stuff like home depot etc - most people do accept the distancing rules at those locations here in Germany).

3. Opening up kindergarden and schools should be done as well, - with caution -, because the stress to lock up the kids in apartments, the stress of parents, who need to work and make some money is being curtailed by the new demand to teach and guard their kids at home. That is overwhelming. I think it might be easier for teachers to control the kids to wear a mask than to control the distance the kids keep, while playing with other kids. (I just note that Germany is way more overcrowded almost everywhere than the USh. We have less space and that is an increasing stress factor right now).

3. Waiting for the drugs or vaccines to be developed. For sure. At the moment I am not so much interested in knowing, which billionaire funds the development efforts for what kind of personal gains. May be one could legalize a top limit of profits billionaires, who fund those drug / vaccines developement projects, can make. I am not a lawyer, but laws that may develop to curb down abusive profit making on the back of the poor, elderly, youngsters etc., should be taken seriously into account.

Seufz.

4. It is a necessary human and civil right of each indivdual to decide upon his personal risk taking decisions as long the utmost is done to not harm your fellow neighbor. Don't run away from making those decisions. The right to decide yourself upon how far and how much you are willing to risk, needs to be protected. Social distancing can't be implemented in many locations without doing more harm than good, imo.

Did I mention how awfully privileged I feel, living at a place that has its own garden, imagining sitting in a 60 ssqare meter apartment with two kids and a husband both parents trying to manage working from home with IT's tools and teach the kids at the same time? Life is not fair, that's the problem to wrap your mind around without going nuts.

Keep well, don't flip out and hope for the best. What else could I say?

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@mimi

4. It is a necessary human and civil right of each indivdual to decide upon his personal risk taking decisions as long the utmost is done to not harm your fellow neighbor. Don't run away from making those decisions. The right to decide yourself upon how far and how much you are willing to risk, needs to be protected. Social distancing can't be implemented in many locations without doing more harm than good, imo.

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@ janis b
I-m so happy

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I do not watch George Webb every day, but do tune in every so often to see what he has to say. I do believe that there are a lot of truths in his presentations, but I am not always sure of his conclusions. We have to remember that George operates with working theories based upon information that is available. They are theories and they are George's alone.

And even when there is information that can be easily fact checked, he gets some things very wrong. Within the last week, George referenced the naval base in Tallahassee Florida. I have lived in Tallahassee either part time or full time for over 50 years. Tallahassee is an inland city. There is NO naval base in Tallahassee, nor has there ever been one.

It is George's sloppiness with easily verfiable facts that make me take him with some skepticism. George has been right about many things in the past, so I am not knocking him. completely

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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located in Tallahassee, Florida

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What was the YouTube link where George Webb mentioned this?

BTW, I was setting up for a discussion to deconstruct (if possible) Webb's claims in relation to China's response to the pandemic.

Something spooked China's government to react so quickly. Their unbelievably fast response showed they had been prepared for such a cataclysmic event. They were up and running with military precision within 10 to 14 days, not just in Wuhan but throughout the huge country populated by 1.4 billion people. Many countries try to prepare for this very same scenario but most fail miserably - the US being a good example.

China's actions minimized civilian deaths at the expense of the economy and corporations. The US did the very opposite and in the end lost on both accounts. Some would say China's government took draconian measures to achieve it. Maybe they did. But what is the true cost to society of that amorphous private right we call "freedom".

total-cases-covid-19_0.png

As of today:
US 89,270 deaths 270/million - 1,074,243 active cases
China 4,633 deaths 3/million - 89 active cases

To add insult to injury, China currently has MORE freedom than America.

I have taken note that Trump has blamed China's government for the very things he is guilty of.

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as you know I often wonder about the oddest things. With George Webb, who I watch, when someone points to one of his videos, I am a little idiotic. On the one side I like his presentation for the professionalism, calmness in wording. But then I end up thinking he is a tad bit too professional, too calm and rational to be true. But immediately after that thought popped through my mind, i feel ashamed about it and say to myself, that I am an idiot.

So, I offer you a glimpse into the shallowness of my emotions and emptiness of my thinking head. Why does he use an outside location to talk into a microphone, in which you can hear wind passing through the branches and be distracted by the natural habitat around him?

Why is he not broadcasting from the inside of a room or building?

As my mind is nagging me so silly, I decided to surpress this dummy thought and listen to him more carefully I usually do. I like to listen to what he has to say.

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anymore. I will say that anything I read in the MSM I am immediately highly suspicious of, and rightly so IMHO. This IS the same media that has lied us into war after war so believing in them is a fool's errand, again IMHO but quite frankly, by now, that really should be obvious to anyone who claims to be paying attention.

That said, I for one do not believe this is a natural virus, and blaming it on climate change works perfectly for our owners since we all know damned well it is more than possible for some virus to emerge from the now melting permafrost, etc. But I look at the timing of the thing and I do see there are so many reasons why something like this bioweapon would be released now. It isn't like the US hasn't been "developing" such a thing for decades, and really, they've done experiments before on the general population, what would make us think that this one is for real and believe them wholeheartedly NOW? FEAR perhaps?

The global economy, dependent as it is on consumer spending, was already tanking - all one need do is look at the real "fundamentals" and the FACT that 40% of this country cannot come up with $400 for an emergency to know how unsound the fundamentals are.

Our wars are not going so well, to put it mildly, and the rest of the world is sick to death of American hegemony and are in the process of doing something about it - can't have that. What better way to weaken an enemy than disease? A disease that requires LOTS of resources, diverts attention from anything else to it alone, and more than likely will keep on delivering, emerging again and again, mutating to something far worse which will require long lasting care and resources? Isn't that one of the tenets of fighting a bio-war - not to immediately kill but to take down the enemy by diverting more and more resources to fight it so they can't fight you? And what of those vaunted vaccines? I have never been an anti-vaxxer, but I have read things about just what is in some of those vaccines and I do question the automatic assumption one will save us. Do we think our owners really want to save us? Do we not see by now just what runs this country? Think more mass surveillance is the answer? They've got that ready to go now, don't they?

Climate change barrels on, and one day, perhaps real soon, agriculture is going to be even more of a "problem" than it is now, although if you still listen to the MSM that's only due to the covid doncha know, soon, any day now, things will pop back to normal, whatever in hell that is. But our owners know the real deal, they know time is running out on a finite planet and they have NO intention of changing how we live until the day it is no longer sustainable. When that day comes, and it IS coming, they hope like hell they can survive with fewer of us useless eaters around and they will, for a while. And really, they won't even have to kill us off, we'll kill each other for them!

The FEAR generated every single day in the screaming headlines should make us all, especially those of us who think we see through the media hype and LIES, instantly suspicious, but now it does not - people lap up what they are told and they fight their neighbor who just might disagree. Divide and conquer works and this virus is helping that along very nicely, isn't it? Lots of nice good liberals scream bloody murder about the rest of us putting them at risk by not wearing our masks, but most of them aren't living without a paycheck at this point, so what do they really care? So easy peasy to call your desperate neighbor a callous and selfish individual while you are working from home and "doing your part" but not worrying day after day about when you are going to become homeless. Or how you are going to feed your kids. Reminds me of all those sick bastards at TOP who think it's funny that coal miners who voted for Trump are going to lose their health care... Elitist anyone? See any reason why anyone might hate a fucking liberal that spouts that kinda shit? See how that divide and conquer WORKS?

Our owners have NO intention of helping out ordinary Americans, and for God's sake, when is the last time our owners gave one shit about "American deaths?" I mean, for fucking real? How about the 45K per year who die due to lack of medical care? Do you see anyone in power making a bleep about that? How about all those lovely celebrities admonishing us to all "do our part" and doing their little podcasts or whatever from their oh so difficult isolation? Seen one of them mention how many will die due to lack of food and shelter? Or are they more concerned with pointing out the ignorance of the rubes who see no other way out than going back to work?

Now as for this virus, I am currently working for a trucking company. We do our part against the virus as best we can and I go NOWHERE but to the car, into the office, back to the car, and home. I go out to the store when absolutely necessary and while I am not wearing that mask yet, I bet soon I will be and more than likely that'll be out of fear of the asshole who wants to scream at me for not doing it than fear of the virus. But if the trucks stop, life as we know it here in America comes to a screeching halt. Like that toilet paper in your store? Thank a trucker. Like those home deliveries so you don't have to go out? Thank a trucker and the Amazon warehouse worker who puts himself at risk every day while working for starvation wages. Want to shame someone? Shame the bastards that put us in this position and quit fighting each other. Know who your enemy is and realize that it ISN'T the person screaming to go back to work but the asshole you just voted for who bails out the banks and Corps while your neighbor becomes homeless. Want to really do your part? Then quit listening to the bought and paid for MSM and putting your fear before reason.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur