03/11 Open Thread: Shemp Howard, Fukushima, Douglas Adams

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Shiva's Dance - Creation and Destruction

I was originally going to title this Well DUH! in light of something I will discuss later, but that combination of anniversaries up there was simply too good to pass up. I'm writing this on the morning of Super Tuesday, a day which will have a major impact on whether the next US President is Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, but California's full results won't be in for a couple of weeks, and it will be days before a really good picture emerges, so whatever. In any event, I don't want to indulge in punditry, I've been around too long and too much to even consider second guessing the US populace or the US power elite. Hence I've got other stuff to throw against the wall today.

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My "Well DUH" item which came by way of Pocket is an article that was originally published on March 9, 2018, by The Conversation.( https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-knowledge-about-different-culture... ) How Knowledge About Different Cultures Is Shaking the Foundations of Psychology by
Nicolas Geeraert, subtitled Much of an observation is determined by the observer, not the observed. immediately elicited a loud guffaw from me. That is, imo, only the tip of one iceberg, but how the crew and passengers of that particular ship were able to remain oblivious of it for so long still bewilders me.

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Early on, the author tosses out the not at all surprising admission that insofar as psychology and particularly "experimental" psychology was primarily a product of North America and Europe, the views and opinions are skewed by the fact that the subject populations analyzed were pretty uniformly WEIRD. That's both an adjective and an acronym, standing for Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and "Democratic". The author didn't put quotes around democratic and can presumably be forgiven for that misperception having no doubt not overimbibed on real history and historical analysis. It is, after all, what those subject nations and populations pretty much uniformly call themselves. Besides, neither oligarchy nor plutocracy readily lends itself to a cool and very telling acroynm.

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The short and highly readable article then moves on to discussions of differences in various cultures specifically looking at the headings of Thinking Styles, The Self, and Mental Health. Consider, which two of these items go together: a panda, a monkey, and a banana. I, for what it's worth, flunked this little test. Without too much thought I quickly gave an answer which, I am told, is Eastern and holistic, because objects and their context are seen to be interrelated, whereas western analytic thinking generally ignores context. (this perception is no doubt a further example of the problems inherent in basing your perceptions and models on the WEIRD.) Panda and Monkey, we are told is the Western, analytic choice, because they are both animals, whilst monkey and banana is the Eastern, holistic choice because, as any child can tell you, monkeys eat bananas. I suppose that the same superficial and simplistic western "analysis" would apply to, perhaps, a fish, a butterfly, and a flower? But, that's ok, at least they're starting to learn, and having found the tip of one iceberg, may be expected to eventually realize that maybe they missed it so far because *they* have been ignoring the fact that context is everything. Ah well. This exercise is followed by an example that clearly shows that neither they nor most of their WEIRD subjects, even now, have been art majors, but you can read that for yourselves.

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It is good that those in this field, which has a lot of influence on all of us in various ways ,are coming to recognize this problem, though the article exhibits various inadvertent instances thereof. I am reminded of the Buddhist Koan pointing to a person riding an ox in search of an ox,, which is, I suppose, Eastern and holistic to those sufficiently insular. Perhaps Einstein did a disservice in mentioning frames of reference in his work on relativity, so that people lost sight of the fact that they've always been fundamental to western thought too. I suspect even Freud had heard and used the word weltanschauung. Ah well, be that as it may, we are told that “cross-cultural psychology” is increasingly being taught (and presumably studied), and that:

With more research, we may well find that cultural differences pervade into even more areas where human behaviour was previously thought of as universal. But only by knowing about these effects will we ever be able to identify the core foundations of the human mind that we all share.

Perhaps they might even someday learn that normal means one of two things, perpendicular, or average.

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#include

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And, apropos the title way up there, check this out:https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/06/cancer-in-us-navy-nuclear-powere...

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have a good one

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Title Image is Shiva's Dance

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It's an open thread, so have at it. The floor is yours
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Wally's picture

Looks like the Democraps are really, really losing it over the #1 trending #WriteinBernie hashtag on twitter this morning. I guess they don't care so much about being civil anymore:

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WriteinBernie&src=trend_click

Here's are just a few of the typical responses:

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@Wally

is that no matter what, Trump is already GUARANTEED a second term. DNC and DHS are colluding to force Joementia into the Dumb nomination, where he will be eviscerated and shredded like a baby lamb attacked by a hungry hyena.

Joementia is already too far gone to see what's happening and call a halt to it the only way he possibly could - by withdrawing. He has now made failure the ONLY option.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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@TheOtherMaven

Economic collapse and the coronavirus may prompt people to vote even for the dithering, dimwitted, demented Biden.

But don't worry!/s Grandmaster Obama will be behind the curtain pushing the buttons and pulling the strings.

Ah yes, bring back the good ol' days:

[video:https://youtu.be/PobrSpMwKk4]

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@TheOtherMaven
the election has always been about electing either Bernie of Trump. Joe has never been a viable candidate. I know self-proclaimed moderates who've been saying anybody but Biden and mean it. The Dem. party brand no longer has any cachet, not enough that people will buy it based on the label alone.

have a good one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@Wally
If we conspire to put an unelectable, demented, corrupt, uber neoliberal dirtbag on the ticket, it is the populace'w fault if he loses. Uh huh.

have a good one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris

during an election year. Voters may go to the polls and vote against Trump because of the economy and the coronavirus. And Biden is nowhere as near despised as Hillary was/still is. I don't be voting for Biden but that's curmudgeonly ol' me.

But yea . . .

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Now we know why Yambo and his Ghoul where willing to risk it all against Biden. It seemed like they were going after the wrong target but they must have gotten a look at the DNC playbook.

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@MinuteMan

Are we suppose to know who they are?

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

I never focused on making money. I was always happy with just having "enough". It takes money to escape the embarrassment of this country, unfortunately.
Hope everyone has something to look forward to, especially good health, and avoidance of illness!
If we all get kettled into some place for our own "good", I hope we are together.
I suffered a tremendous shock a couple of days ago, one that just overwhelmed me beyond measure.
It was a couple of beautiful people on this site that talked me through it.
Reach out.
We are possibly all we have to survive what is likely to come!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp
Expatriating, both externally and internally, was a hot topic back in the sixties, and some of us did, some of us decided to stay and try to change things and some decided to ride it out in the hope things would change. So all of us who stayed lost, but I'm still glad I did and at least tried to change things, though I must admit that at least some of those who split were able to accomplish good things in their new homes. But, as you say, it takes money, and when the empire crashes and burns the oligarchs will take theirs and split and maybe the rest of us can try to fix this mess with them gone.

have a good one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris so as not to taint the site with a ridiculous hairdo from the '80's.
Yes, I remember my dfh pals heading out, hoping they would never have to return. Some actually stayed in Canada.
Health issues kept me home, and by the time they were resolved, I was in law school, so that ended my ex-pat dream.
It is inappropriate for me to be openly political. I work for Trump supporters, Bernie supporters, and everything in between. I also work for numerous elected officials, and at least we can sit in the privacy of my office and they can tell me why, as a life long D, they ran for office as an R, and laugh about how it doesn't matter anyway.
I have tried to make a positive difference, but results may vary.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp
or two myself. In many ways they made a wiser choice than I, but I have no regrets.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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Instead of demexiting, I'm voterexiting. Just not playing their game anymore. If it ever becomes good to vote again, maybe I'll re-register. For now - no one is worth it - not even down ballot in my state.

Raining today, yippee!

Have a good hump day, folks! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

enhydra lutris's picture

@Raggedy Ann
vote Green or Peace and Freedom, if only to flip the twopartysystem(tm) off. Plus, there are always some maniacs down ballot who have to be voted against.

have a good one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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Bananas, feeling like a monkey outstanding in a field may describe today. As nothing else works, for me.

Errands this morning, i must reluctantly get on with.

Thank you and have a good one.

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@smiley7
all your errands. I've got some I keep putting off too, and might duck them again today to either work on some of my undone to-do list, or, as usual of late, just goof.

have a good one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

QMS's picture

has become an enormous head ache.
Unbelievable.
Plan to bring a box to the polling site.
Some pencils and scraps of paper.
Simple instructions: Vote Here.
Invite the local press to count contents.

May be a more accurate accounting
than our modern black box method.

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question everything

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@QMS
and ideational theater in the finest mime troupe tradition. Enjoy.

have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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in Black Agenda Report where to me, the money line is

The US is the most profit-oriented, business-controlled society on Earth, and therefore the least able to cope with a national health emergency, which requires sacrifice of profit for the greater good.

The whole article is worth a read.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann

who also drug their feet before finally acting.

Here's Dr. John Campbell's take on the situation today...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzXQ6Bu9JVI]

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout
Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Lookout
have a good one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@Lookout

video from yesterday and was impressed.
Thanks for posting that.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

Lookout's picture

@earthling1

along with about a gram of C. We will be exposed...it is just a question of when, and I hope to have good resistance. Yet, one never knows. Best to treasure every day.

Take care and be well.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Raggedy Ann
it is dog eat dog and you get what you can pay for, assuming you don't get defrauded or conned instead.

Oh, a belated good morning.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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Interesting OT topic. I never thought of cultural psychology before, but how different cultures contextualize things makes perfect sense.

Went out drinking again last night after attending a screening of a new movie. A remake of Alfred Hitchcock interpretation of Daphne Du Maurier's "Rebecca". I was surprised I enjoyed it as much as I did. They did some things better than the Hitchcock version, but fell short on one of the most climactic scenes in the movie. Still, I'd recommend it when it comes out.

Well, guess I need to get up out of bed, hang over be damned. Sigh. This is gonna be a very long election.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz
little in common with Pandas, and actually eat bananas, at least in mass popular culture.

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@Anja Geitz
drinking class, so I limit and pace myself these days. Hope it is soon over, I found that a tomato beer usually works wonders, especially if one stirs in a raw egg.

have a good one.

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@enhydra lutris

Went to a wine bar that had an enclosed candlelit patio with couches and big pillows to sit on. It was raining last night which kept everyone away so we had the whole place to ourselves. Drinking a smooth Paso Robles Cab, listening to the rain fall outside, the time and the glasses of wine just got away from me.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz

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@Anja Geitz @Anja Geitz

youd'a had the mass to absorb the mash

(old scotish saying)

good luck Wink

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question everything

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@QMS

Haha haha!!!

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@Anja Geitz
Interesting psychology.
Anyway, I hope Alfred didn't make a cameo.
That would really be strange.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

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@earthling1

Haha haha!

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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@earthling1
J. Fred Muggs, Rancid Ronnie and Bonzo all would have as well. Next test, which of those 3 would you group together (hint, exclude the sociopath).

have a good one

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et al

They are constructing tents over in the dominican hospital parking lot. For overflow? Two week incubation and then what?

Took a baby bird to native animal rescue. Cold not even fly. Hoping it makes it.

Thanks for the good read. Have a great one...

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@magiamma
what the situation evolves into with the covid-19; we might a break, or facilities might get overwhelmed. I've heard that incubation can be anywhere from3-4 days to a couple or 3 weeks, so all those on the short end will be done with or in play rsn.

Thanks for the baby bird rescue. I never worked with your local rescue/rehab organization, but most do a pretty damn good job.

have a good one.

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@magiamma @magiamma

about 4 years ago flew in and
perched on his lectern
in the midst of a thousand supporters
he just grinned
no hesitation
carry on
we can overcome
a little birdie told me so

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question everything