Anyone braving the SC Debate?

Grab the pocorn, the knives have definitely come out...

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Bollox Ref's picture

if you can stomach it.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

Raggedy Ann's picture

very afraid ... what’s happening? Gulp..

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

@Raggedy Ann
Audience tickets were apparently $1750 to this shouting match.

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@BORG_US_BORG
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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

boriscleto's picture

@BORG_US_BORG When Bernie said Bloomberg's supporters were all billionaires.

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" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

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@BORG_US_BORG

There are rumours that Bloomer bought up a bunch of tickets.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

no brainer.

@Hawkfish

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or two in the audience started to clap and cheer it was stifled quickly. I am sure it would have been illuminating to see the expressions on the particular audience member(s) along with those sitting near him/her.

@Hawkfish

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@BORG_US_BORG
advantage of having Mr. Big Bucks in the race to raise money for itself. Details

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@BORG_US_BORG
Democratic debate: CBS, Bloomberg draw jeers for ad buy, ‘stacked’ audience

Mike Bloomberg had a different plan for his second debate: buy it.

A 60-second ad for the billionaire media mogul’s campaign played during the first and second commercial breaks of the CBS Democratic presidential debate on Wednesday night — drawing the ire of pundits on Twitter.

Viewers lashed into CBS for allowing Bloomberg to buy advertising slots during the first two debate commercial breaks, calling it “incompetence at best, corruption at worst.”

“What kind of rule allows the candidates to advertise *during* the debate? Or did Bloomberg just buy CBS?” asked New Yorker writer Tad Friend.

“Ok why the hell is there a Bloomberg ad on during the debate? How is this not a campaign finance law violation?” wrote one Bernie Sanders volunteer.
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Will the NYTimes and WaPo weigh in similarly?

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@Marie Hypocrites like Doomberg. Rec’d!!

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Some yahoos make me want to change species!

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@BORG_US_BORG

By charging nearly 2000 bucks per seat?

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Pricknick's picture

I turned on, tuned in and dropped out.
Nobody could win other than trump who's not there and nobody is talking about.
You want policy proposals? Forgetaboutit. Bernie was trying to no avail.
Just a shitfest.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Raggedy Ann's picture

@Pricknick
it would turn into that. Out for blood.

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

on legalizing Marijuana. Everyone else is just a poser.
Mods bitch-slap Byedone with a cutoff for commercials.

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Raggedy Ann's picture

@BORG_US_BORG
it humorous! Dance 4

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

@Raggedy Ann

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Pricknick's picture

@BORG_US_BORG
as long as it was legalization for coke so hunter could chill.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

contestants airing their laundry
like people of SC and beyond
can't see thru their platitudes

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May we be united and strong -- laurel

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@QMS
people would see thru it.

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

@Raggedy Ann
reality teevee without
the reality
it's a lot better with the sound
muted
speeches for the deaf

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May we be united and strong -- laurel

whistles of pseudo patriotism...

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Raggedy Ann's picture

@BORG_US_BORG
to sound so self-righteous, and now that yes practicing to be white-Obummer, what could go wrong?

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

ovals49's picture

now I wish I wasn’t!

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"An oligarchy of private capital cannot be effectively checked .....because under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information."
Albert Einstein

thanatokephaloides's picture

@BORG_US_BORG

Why does the crowd sound so "centrist"

Answer:

Audience tickets were apparently $1750 to this shouting match.

No 99%er has that kind of cash to waste on bullshit like this.

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

WoodsDweller's picture

and from what you're saying, the highlight reel won't take long to watch.

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"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett

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" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

@boriscleto They lob softballs to everyone else to stump for the Empire, then conflate their question for Bernie with support for Communism/ Dictatorship.

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I hear Bloomberg is all hot and bothered because Bernie wasn't laying in wait for some kid who vandalized a campaign office by spray painting the word Oligarch. Really? He can't find any better dirt than that? Did Joe Biden really tell people he was coming for their guns? The arrogance factor is great with this bunch. There is a reason lots of western states are red and that's it. Thank you Joe for reminding them. (ROLLS EYES)

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@pswaterspirit
and AA pandering by all but Sanders is off the charts. Amy always sounds as if she ready to cry (please, please vote for me).

IMO none of them are throwing any punches that are landing.

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Azazello's picture

and the Partnership for America's Healthcare Future have both run ads during the debate.

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Hawkfish's picture

@Azazello

That the candidates comment on the ads.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

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@Azazello

I note that the Bloomberg campaign and the Partnership for America's Healthcare Future have both run ads during the debate.

Wikipedia on Partnership for America's Healthcare Future:

Partnership for America’s Health Care Future (PAHCF) is an ad hoc alliance of American hospital, health insurance, and pharmaceutical lobbyists committed to preventing legislation that would lead to single payer healthcare, expanding Medicare, or creating Medicare for All in particular.[1][2] It purports to support expansion of the Affordable Care Act.[3]

Founded in June 2018 by the Federation of American Hospitals, America’s Health Insurance Plans, and the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the Washington, DC-based[4] Partnership has grown to include the American Hospital Association and the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association.[3]

In November 2018, PAHCF planning documents were leaked to the media.[5]

In December 2019, PAHCF removed all leadership members and biographies from their "about us" page. PAHCF’s executive director is Lauren Crawford Shaver.[6]

PAHCF has been labeled a "dark money" organization and an "insurance industry front group" by The Intercept[7], The American Prospect[8], Iowa Starting Line[9] and Common Dreams.[10]

footnotes refer to original source article
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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides

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" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

Raggedy Ann's picture

@boriscleto
bomb shelters!

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

@boriscleto
for China. Biden, Bloomberg, Pete, and Amy are authoritarians that want to tell the rest of the world how to live, while also denying healthcare for all. Liz asserted the the number one job of a President is to keep Americans safe through use of its military --- wrong, wrong, wrong.

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but nobody has really landed on Bernie, like usual. Steyer sounds better than I expected, certainly a million times better than Bloomberg.

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UH THANKS JOE AND TOM LOL

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Was brilliant. He called Bibi a racist, authoritarian and got broad applause.

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@konondrum

so has less to lose by calling Netanyahu a racist, which of course he is, along with too many others on that stage.

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@janis b Even a state as politically corrupt as Florida can surprise, especially if there is a high turnout. Plus, a lot of Latinos live here, and the majority are not high end, old fart Cubanos.

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Some yahoos make me want to change species!

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@konondrum

as experienced in fighting injustice, as Sanders is, or as young and broadly experienced as Tulsi, to really connect with the racist reality that governs so much of politics.

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Shahryar's picture

@janis b

All this stuff rolls off Bernie because he believes what he says, whereas a phony like Pete will say whatever he and his team believe will play well. And I'd put Liz in that category, too. I heard that she again didn't shake Bernie's hand afterwards, as if she's forgotten that was the beginning of her downward trend. That and the whopper she told about Bernies "sexist remark".

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@Shahryar

they're all a bunch of masochists, with nothing but the 'victim' card to play.

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@Shahryar

Her face or her hair? It seems her hair is involved in all discussions. Kinda weird...?

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
- strife delivery

so much yak time?
guess she's the next bern
torpedo

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May we be united and strong -- laurel

@QMS While on one hand, I support giving equal time to viable contenders.... she never seems to state out any definitive positions, and she is definitely not getting the nom.

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how would you go about creating another failed state in Syria?

F, I hate the pro corporate/empire framing of these questions...

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

@Hawkfish
Shows how much fun we can have when we aren't afraid to laugh at ourselves and our own little cultural niches.
"It’s not really a family holiday until my mother tells me I’ve “ruined it”"

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@Hawkfish

houses are like"

"Except that there are no moderators, plus people tend to cry and storm out more." ... I wonder which one at the debate table would be the one to storm out first?

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@janis b I hate to say it, but she does look like she's going to break down and cry sometimes.

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@konondrum

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@konondrum
not only looks like, she sounds like she's on the verge of tears whenever she speaks. Won't help her.

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@janis b
Then Bloomberg looks around the table and goes, "What? What did I say?"
Warren glares at him with that stony midwestern-mom "You KNOW what you said."
Pete curses himself for missing his chance, and now it's too late to come out this year.
Steyer wishes he'd just stayed in the city for the holiday, maybe had dinner with a couple of work friends who weren't going home.
Biden stares dreamily at the kids' table.
And at the head of the table, Bernie puts his face in his hands so the family cannot see that he is crying.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@UntimelyRippd
It's just not the same for him, when she isn't there.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

a short film of a perfect comedy. Thank you.

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@janis b

but my favourite short film ...

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@janis b

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

I'll see if there's a copy with subtitles.

My first year here was very disorienting, having to ask people to repeat themselves over and over until I gave up and just said "yes".

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@janis b

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@janis b
16 I was in one of those social situations where a bunch of miscellaneous kids who don't know each other are just sort of tossed together. There was a cute little tween (though we didn't have that word in those days) ... we started announcing our ages, I said 16, she said 15 ... I'm afraid I wasn't remotely sensitive to the fragility of adolescent girls, I pretty much laughed and said, "No, you're not, you're like 13." She didn't say anything. I said, "So how old are you really?" and she looked down and away and said, with a bit of disgust, "13".

7 years later, I'm flying south out of Winnipeg, and I hear a young woman talking to a couple of brothers in their late teens, it's a funny little coincidence, turns out they used to live on the same street, but she's older than them ... I look at her, then look again, and I say, "Hey, are you So and So?" She looks at me and says yeah, and I'm like, Hey, I remember you, we used to sail the Lowisa. We all had separate layovers in Minneapolis, I bought them all a drink (only time I've EVER bought alcohol for a minor!) and chatted in the airport bar for about an hour. She and I are piecing together our shared history, and she says, "I think your brother thought I was too young for him," and I say, "No, you're mistaking me for my younger step-brother [weird fact -- my step-bro and I have a strong, though coincidental, familial resemblance] ... I'm the one who thought you were too young. And you were too young." There's actually a funny story there, at one point my step-bro was trying to help her and her friend get onto a boat and fell into the lake.

Anyway, she gave me her address and I sent her a letter, but it came back return to sender and I've never heard of/from her again.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

despite not understanding all of the dialogue.

These characters meet again and feature in some of Taika Waititi's full-length films. They're all good.

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@janis b
young woman, but also, I'm afraid, kinda dumb.

We'd actually encountered each other in at least one subsequent year of the Lowisa, I was probably 18 and she was 15 -- still too young!

Then finally, a random coincidental meeting, I'm 23 and making real money, she's 20 and pretty and attending a university somewhere in Florida ... Hey, she's finally old enough for me!

But then she either gave me a phony address, or the wrong address, or she moved ... ships in the night ... c'est la vie.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

your ships would have crossed again, but who knows where that might have led?

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@janis b
an unwanted pregnancy, an unfortunate marriage, resentment and adultery, and so on.

to quote Cat Stevens, It's always been the same, same old story.

i just located her brother on facebook, turns out he's a car salesman in winnipeg, but she seems to have vanished into the mists of time. (i remember her brother's name because it's the male version of hers -- and they're both named after their dad.)

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

"... she seems to have vanished into the mists of time."

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@janis b

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

in the realm of dreams.

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The moderators are acting like dictators and cutting people off and telling them they are naughty.

Pettigrew talked over Bernie why he was talking and then he attacked Bernie's MFA plan saying that he won't let people buy private insurance if they want to. Bernie wanted to respond to that, but no the dumb lady turned to Warren instead. I finally turned it off but should have when every person pretended that Bernie has never criticized dictators including Castro which he did numerous times.

This is not a debate. It's WW Wrestling that is just for entertainment. I'd refuse to go back to any more. Just look at Twitter and see what people are learning about the candidates.

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
- strife delivery

he would get the first black woman on the Supreme Court -- to much applause.

wrt Biden and the SCOTUS I will never forget that he allowed a black woman to be trashed in order not to block the most unqualified black Republican to the SCOTUS to sit in the chair of the most brilliant first black Supreme Court Justice.

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@Marie

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If that was all they have to throw at him.....
I can't say it's over. It's isn't over until we've won. Every step with be met with opposition.
But..... man.... if that's all they got....

This was another standard Bernie performance. He's the best boxer on the stage. He generally isn't looking to land a haymaker, but his instincts on how to turn an attack into an opening are dead on.

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@konondrum

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@konondrum
Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah!

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@konondrum

This was another standard Bernie performance. He's the best boxer on the stage. He generally isn't looking to land a haymaker, but his instincts on how to turn an attack into an opening are dead on.

..... the fighter still remains ....

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

@thanatokephaloides A perfect soundtrack. It sure would be be nice to do another round of this:

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@konondrum

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Shit questions, and they let Pete talk over Bernie at will. They need someone cutting mics when they get out of line..

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@BORG_US_BORG

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

janis b's picture

They will surely talk a little bit about the debate. I’ll let you know later if there are any interesting perspectives from here.

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@janis b

to be discussed, that the debate/contest will be discussed.

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@janis b
face time and gobble de gook
seemed to be most rampant
see how presidential the wanna bees
appear, spouting nonsense
bernie was furiously making social justice
statements, to what avail?
bloomie, butti and lizzy all had gas
steyer and klob just showed up
barely getting their invested return

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May we be united and strong -- laurel

janis b's picture

@QMS

of what was probably a farce. Where is the justice? I hope it is found.

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@janis b

But if I do hear some reference to it I will let you know.

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