@on the cusp

"The 2022 Hawaii gubernatorial election will take place on November 8, 2022, to elect the Governor of Hawaii. Incumbent Democratic Governor David Ige is term-limited and cannot seek re-election to a third term."

She is not running for re-election. At the time of the next presidential election, she will be a private citizen.
She will have less leverage for endorsement of her colleagues than she does now.
For all we know, in 2 or 3 years, she may be out of the political realm completely.
I concede she is the type of person, or the sort of person that would take us forward, but she has little in the way of base right now, and will have an unknown base in a few years.
Bernie, no matter how I despise his foreign policy, is the poll leader, is a half-assed socialist, might actually improve/save lives of the working class and poor, and he is the start of a left swing we need now. Tulsi or some young leftie can knock it out of the park if we can just show people that social programs work, and work extremely well.

@on the cusp If Bernie won... I could see Tulsi as Secretary of State, or heading the Pentagon. She is better than Bernie on foreign policy. She would be a great asset I think. We need a lot more peace speak and she means it, with the stripes/cred to back it up. Anyone that took out Kamala with a single shot is a hero to me.

She is not running for re-election. At the time of the next presidential election, she will be a private citizen.
She will have less leverage for endorsement of her colleagues than she does now.
For all we know, in 2 or 3 years, she may be out of the political realm completely.
I concede she is the type of person, or the sort of person that would take us forward, but she has little in the way of base right now, and will have an unknown base in a few years.
Bernie, no matter how I despise his foreign policy, is the poll leader, is a half-assed socialist, might actually improve/save lives of the working class and poor, and he is the start of a left swing we need now. Tulsi or some young leftie can knock it out of the park if we can just show people that social programs work, and work extremely well.

@on the cusp

does the name Mazie Hirono ring a bell?

Understandable if you don't - she's somewhat low-profile.
I respect her toughness, even if I disagree with a lot of her positions.

Don't wish her ill, personally, but politically I would just as soon she went away. And, given that she was diagnosed with Stage Four kidney cancer in 2017 that has to be considered a distinct possibility (she was re-elected in 2018).

I would think running for that seat is a likely Plan B for Gabbard - don't know what her prospects of winning would be - I hear conflicting things about how popular she actually is in Hawaii.

She's plenty popular with me, though - and I'm in for her as long as she's in the race this time around.

She is not running for re-election. At the time of the next presidential election, she will be a private citizen.
She will have less leverage for endorsement of her colleagues than she does now.
For all we know, in 2 or 3 years, she may be out of the political realm completely.
I concede she is the type of person, or the sort of person that would take us forward, but she has little in the way of base right now, and will have an unknown base in a few years.
Bernie, no matter how I despise his foreign policy, is the poll leader, is a half-assed socialist, might actually improve/save lives of the working class and poor, and he is the start of a left swing we need now. Tulsi or some young leftie can knock it out of the park if we can just show people that social programs work, and work extremely well.

@Situational Lefty

the ocean state

Just for the record?

And hurrah for you and your state!

@wendy davis @wendy davis ... Your post (or at least the block quote) suggests that Tulsi's reluctance to embrace the GND makes her less of a progressive and more of a moderate. I disagree. First, because of the rather meaningless labels (like "progressive," "moderate" and also "socialist" and "capitalist") but, more importantly, you need to peel back the curtain and understand the reasons for her misgivings about the GND: (1) It's not an actionable plan, rather it's more like a resolution that would require much more in the way of additional legislation and executive actions to implement; (2) it doesn't address the issue of nuclear power; and (3) it doesn't address fracking. In other words, it's the kind of "feel good legislation" that faux progressives can say they support without taking a risky stand. What was taking a risky stand was the OFF (Off Fossil Fuels Act) that Tulsi sponsored in the prior session of Congress, which at the time was called the most foreward-looking climate change legislation ever introduced, and in the House races, even Dem candidates like AOC signed on to support the concept but, after getting elected, then decided to jump ship and sign on the more popular great-sounding "GND" concept which I submit is mostly BS -- feel free to disagree and argue if so inclined.

someone had brought a post from jack pines radicals quite dismayed by how either bernie or tulsi was being portrayed (likely the latter). someone had said she'd bailed on medicare 4 all, although when i'd asked the room here it was apparently too late on the thread to get an answer.

yesterday i'd read 'Tulsi Gabbard: A Political Postmortem', by William Kaufman / February 15th, 2020

"Yes, she suffered the slings and arrows of the neoliberal political/media establishment on the few occasions it deigned to take note of her. But it seems to me that her vexing waffling on key issues is what did her in. A former all-out supporter of Medicare for all, she began, last fall, to echo neoliberals like Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden with a plan for a misguided public/private hybrid, variously dubbed “Medicare Plus” or “Medicare Choice,” reserving people’s right to retain their private insurance. (“I support a single-payer system that will allow individuals to access private insurance if they choose,” she states on her campaign Web site; but that is not a single-payer system at all.)

But what kind of private insurance? For basic services, which would compete with the main public plan and thus render it fiscally unsustainable? Or for just elective and boutique services, as in Canada? She has never spelled this out. Moreover, she demurred on sponsoring the Green New Deal bill. These equivocations have placed her closer to the establishment than to the independent left on the two most critical issues facing the electorate.

Then came two other odd overt tilts to the right: favoring charter schools and “school choice” and opposing the cancelation of student debt (she told a college student, “I think there’s a responsibility there that students need to bear,” and then emitted a four-minute rhetorical fog designed to obscure her real position). It’s as though she thought she could attract wavering votes from the middle lane while trying to appear to bear left. But exactly how does this calculation differ from Warren’s duplicitous feints to the left while winking right? To add egregious insult to these political injuries, ten days ago Gabbard Tweeted out her “love” to the scurrilous bigot and neo-fascist radio pit bull Rush Limbaugh upon hearing the news of his lung cancer. That is beyond comprehension or excuse."

there are 5 hyperlinks, but i guess part of what i'm wondering is given so much designation as to left, centrist, right, and all, which ones she's apparently supporting now, factor in.

thi the link to 'demurred on sponsoring the green new deal' (at the hill)

now i've weighed in plenty on that evolving/devolving 'Deal', but is that allegedly a 'Leftist' GND to appeal to identity politics and so on? i laugh every time i read 'net zero carbon', a rather meaningless phrase. as is Clean Energy', imo/