My Thoughts on the Partial Iowa Caucuses Results and Cable News Coverage
Bernie: "You're Next, Donald!"
Regardless of what happens when 100% of the votes are tallied, I think this is actually a pretty good outcome for Bernie Sanders.
Here's what I think this muddled result does for Bernie:
- It diminishes Biden and raises Pete's profile. Is Pete a long-term threat to Bernie? No, I don't think so. He'll still have trouble winning over people of color.
- If Bernie's main competitor is Pete and not Biden, it'll delay calls for Bloomberg to actively take on Bernie.
- Will Warren stay in the race if she doesn't win any states? It could be that she might drop out after Super Tuesday and endorse Bernie.
I should mention that I flipped cable tv channels the past hour or so and here's what the consensus seems to be, particularly on CNN and MSDNC:
- The strong implication is that Biden's campaign might well be done if he can't win in New Hampshire and Nevada.
- Certified Bernie Hater, Jason Johnson of "The Root," said that if it's down to Bernie vs Pete until at least South Carolina, black voters could, by default, heavily support Bernie. He said there was little to no chance that they would gravitate towards Pete.
- None of them were saying anything negative about Bernie's chances moving forward in this campaign.
So, in addition to being ahead in the popular vote on both the first and final counts, Bernie could still end up narrowly winning the delegates race in Iowa. None of what I wrote above will change as his campaign is built for the long-haul.
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On the other hand, as Yogi Berra famously said, “It ain’t over till it’s over.” The Iowa Democratic Party had serious technology malfunction last night. When released, will the final tally be accurate?
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The Chairman of the Iowa Democratic Party Explains the Delay
A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
Stoller: Blatant example of money rigging an election
I think this just reminded everyone that
the DNC rigged it last time and will have no problem rigging it this time too and it will definitely destroy their plans for unity if anyone but Bernie wins. Whether or not they care if we vote or if Trump wins another term is another question. But so many people already believe that they would rather have Trump than Bernie. Mayo Pete would be an absolute nightmare for the country because he'd be able to hide who he is from the centrists. Just like Obama did.
They are doing this because they know that ByeDone, Warren and Cluboher have floundered and they will now push Pete.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Don't You Want a Return to Normalcy?
A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
Disagree
No way. After what she said about Bernie? She will endorse a DNC candidate, probably Mayor Cheat.
No. In my experience, blacks hate Jews. They are more anti-Semitic than the Tea Party. But not as much as Palestinians.
Those calls come mainly from Bloomberg himself, who really belongs in the (R) primaries. But he may take South Carolina as black voters turn away from the Jew and the Gay.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Painting with a broad brush much?
This is like saying that blacks hate gays and both are wrong because it's stereotyping without evidence. Many blacks in Pete's home town don't like him because of how he has treated them. This is fair to say because many have said just that. But elsewhere? So far he doesn't seem to have many supporting him.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Just reporting what I saw working with many races
in the Postal Service. I will amend that to "black men". Never heard anything homophobic from a black woman. Did hear anti-Semitic remarks though. Will admit I heard more remarks against black men from black women than ant-Semitic remarks from black women. Sometimes I wonder if they were coming on to me, talking about how unhelpful and insensitive black men are. Nah! Only two women were definitely coming on to me, but rather heavy fortyish white women. Hormones probably out of balance.
The Tea Party now, they might as well have worn hoods.
Don't know about Asians. I worked with many Asians, quite a few Filipinos, at least one Korean and a handful of Chinese. They were very closed mouth about politics and sex.
Two Palestinians, three if you count the one's manager father. They hated Jews. Not Israelis, it was always "Jews", including specific Jews in the plant.
So not a broad brush, just observation.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@snoopydawg I gotta agree about the
I gotta agree about the black community are very uncomfortable with "Gay shit" as one of my friends called it when me and my partner were screwing around like we were a couple once we got him out in the camper at burning man.
It's totally anecdotal but an overwhelming majority of my black friends regardless of where they are from (for example one is from Jamaica, the other is Sudanese) as well as the American raised friends.
It's not an outright hate, they just don't like it. I don't know why, I think a large portion of it is exposure.
Oh, a gay black friend of mine mentioned it too, something about how he is more comfortable around us than his own community.
Again, let me reiterate, this is only based on my friends so take it for what it's worth, which is nothing, lol!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
it's true, those Africans I met, can't accept
homosexuality (at least back in the seventies, eighties and nineties. It might have changed for the younger generation). In many regions historically the man's wealth and self-worth and power was measured by the number of women he had and how many children he fathered. If a homosexual tried to approach them, they reacted quite wildly in refusal. That's just the roots of their culture (at least in the regions I could understand a little bit, ie Subsaharan and Central African countries).
The influx of Christian values (to be monogam) has muddied all that up, but it's still there. My own father in law (born around 1885 probably) had proudly announced he had only ONE wife (he was mentally colonized by Germans and Baptist missionaries). That was the first thing his son, my later husband, who had never seen his father healthy and became orphaned at age 12), told me in a letter, introducing himself to me. So, there you go, mental colonization worked, but only that far.
I don't know if for Muslim Africans the whole issue is relevant.
Just my 0.02 cents FWIW.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Additional anecdotal evidence.
During my time in the Army, I saw firsthand that black men were more homophobic by far than any other racial group.
This is because of the fact that many blacks, particularly
in the south, are members of the Baptist church. Several of those churches in Louisville KY are active in their expressions of homophobia.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
agree and disagree
I don't think there's a chance that Warren would endorse Bernie. She's a Republican. Mustn't go out too far on a limb unless it's safe!
But that comment about blacks being anti-semitic is a little out of order. And you'd be surprised at the support Bernie has with blacks and Latinos.
A bit of explanation
As I told snoopydawg, this is my personal observation. I would think it obvious that I didn't mean EVERY black person was homophobic or anti-Semitic.
Also, possibly my black co-workers were more vocal because, as pointed out in this thread, the culture is anti-Semitic, while vocal anti-Semitic is considered bad taste in white society. Same with homophobia. People say what they are expected to say. Me? No! I'm not one of them! (Even if they are or don't really care. it's just not macho)
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Pstt! Bloomberg is jewish. n/t
Why vote for Bloomberg?
Do better, Bette.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
This guy
also incarcerated 1000's for the use of a weed.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Launched a paramilitary raid to break up Occupy Wall Street
Was a Republican for years, not as long as Warren, but still helps Republicans beat Democrats...
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Wow, Bette. I just lost half my respect for you.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Saw this coming...
So they cherry pick precincts that show the best outcome for Pete and then simply don't report the rest.
In the process they disenfranchise 38% of Iowa Democratic primary voters - a big chunk of those Bernie voters. Sound familiar?
To paraphrase Stalin:
To me, these IDP reporting shenanigans are an even bigger scandal than the app.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Agreed. The rat's nest of shit grows
The app might not have worked...
But whatever backroom voter caging software they are still using to model favorable outcomes is working just fine.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Word.
And well noted! Are you an IT person?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
“No set timeline.”
. I’ve heard that before...where was it?
Oh yes, the Boeing MAX debacle. That makes sense. We’ll get the caucus results when the MAX flies again.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
@Not Henry Kissinger Wouldn't it be great if
Wouldn't it be great if Trump launched an election corruption investigation against the DNC?
Half of D.C. would probably be in jail...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Jonathan Marshall was
Jonathan Marshall was bleating "conspiracy theory" on FB earlier.
I tell you, when the first announcement came out I was beyond depressed. This article at least puts a good spin on it.
People have lost their minds
maybe instead of focusing on the meaning of rigged, why the hell aren't these clowns wondering what in the fuck the DNC is trying to pull. Buttigieg should be fucking finished with his poll suppression stunt and this app skullduggery.
Duh
BECAUSE THAT'S HURTING FAITH IN THE SYSTEM!!!
"This is easy to fix. Stop rigging it and we'll stop saying that."
Boy Erin is getting lots of flack for saying that and in that tone. What's the matter, Erin? Afraid Bernie is going to raise your taxes?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
OMG. Erin Burnett is so loathsome.
She's the same one who asked Boehner this:
In a frightening moment from the Pete Peterson-inspired 2012 Fiscal Responsibility Summit, CNN reporter Erin Burnett asked Speaker Boehner:
"Do you think that democracy is part of the problem? That in a democracy people are always going to vote for more things, they are never going to vote to take them away. Now the payroll tax is down; good luck ever having it go back to the way it was. Good luck with a lot of these things. Is democracy going to be what sends us over the cliff?"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
How can anyone be that stupid?
I know that she gets paid to ask dumb questions, but isn't there a limit until you feel shame for asking it and being such a pawn?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Well, maybe she's not stupid--
maybe she just doesn't like democracy. Or (small-r) republicanism.
The little people should shut up and obey their betters.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You can count 62% just so.....
but the other 38% is oh so hard to do.
What a load of bilge.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Wasn't the Sanders campaign watching 40% of the voting?
I've read that they had their own app, which is most likely why this whole catastrophe took place; can't trumpet results that the Sanders campaign can easily refute. So they manage to "count" the results from where the Sanders campaign didn't use their own app. (I doubt it worked that way, but it sure is convenient).
The Buttigieg app has certainly paid off.
They are at like 91% with Butt-Head still leading...
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I can't cry bullshit hard enough.
I hope both Biden and Sanders attorneys file lawsuits and demand that all relevant communication, correspondence, emails, etc in relation to this fiasco be turned over to them.
They can't do an immediate do over but I am all for pushing them back to the last state this year to give them time to hold a REAL damn primary.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Establishment democrats biggest fear.
MADAME TULSI sees all!!!
/punchline
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
That is a great punchline, The Liberal Moonbat!
It goes well with your sigline : )
I think I'll have to check out other of Horsey's cartoons
That one is classic!
Democrats can screw up a damn caucus.
I bet that gives those undecideds and left center Republicans a lot of incentive to vote for them to run the damn government.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
No, the _DNC_ can screw up the caucus count.
But they're smearing all Democrats in doing so. I think it's time for the entire progressive wing of the Democratic Party to move to the Green Party.
I think we should start a new party.
Since I'm not sure what the internal politics of the Green Party are.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thank You!
I have been saying since the last election that we have the numbers to occupy the green party, lol!
Seriously though, if we did move over en mass there is little they could do to prevent our agenda and candidates from leading and shaping the direction of the party as well as infusing some much needed cash and numbers.
I doubt the push back would be to strong or long since so many of our goals intersect with theirs anyway.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Maybe it's because they want mayo pete to claim victory.
Whether it is true on not.
Care of David Sirota....
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I don’t think Warren will endorse Sanders.
I think 2016 proved that. But also, if she endorsed him now after the stunt of a few weeks ago, she’d essentially be admitting she was lying. If anything, every time she’s been caught in a similar situation, she’s doubled down, even if the consequences have been bad (coughcough DNA test).
Honestly, I don’t think it matters anyway. I really don’t think her 2016 endorsement moved things in any meaningful way. As for her supporters now, I think I’ve seen they’re more likely to have Sanders as a second choice. And her hardcore supporters are 10%ers who I’m not sure would vote Sanders regardless of an endorsement or not.
Otherwise I agree with your assessment.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I also don't think her endorsement carries any weight
given how she has tanked, it doesn't seem to me that there is very much value in it. It would be a slightly bigger Castro endorsement, which didn't do anything for her. I'll add that endorsements from most politicians, unless extremely popular, don't make the impact they used to.
Leave it to Nina.
“imma be honest keeping hope is hard”
That is a quote from the first comment to Nina's post.
Thanks humphrey for your posts.
MSNBC per Russia Maddow has a take on Iowa.
Can't say that I am surprised.
Yup, no pile-on for Great White Hope Biden,
Defeater of Corn Pop and Extreme Toucher.
It's all so ugly.
@Le Frog You forgot Sniffmaster
You forgot Sniffmaster General.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Good grief, Rachel
Can you show that you are in the establishment's pockets anymore than you have? I'm thoroughly done with thinking that Rachel has any redeeming qualities. I know.. I should have come to this before now.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
A chance of some optimism with regards to Iowa.
I wouldn't be surprised that the Sanders team knows the results.
Edited to add the correct tweet.
Looks like a nicely gerrymander-bilt app
WOW ! just WOW! if this is the case.
I am sure that we will never know but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't match the Sanders team results.
@humphrey I suspected the app was
I suspected the app was set up to shave fragments here and there but they are outright trying to steal the election and if anyone in power decides to look it's going to be fully apparent.
Those computers and servers, etc as well as the original source code for the app need to be seized immediately for investigation before it gets wiped "with a cloth or something?"!
So tired of the cheaters cheating us out of the lives and country we SHOULD and COULD have.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Hmmm. I read somewhere that Bernie's lawyers
were going to stop them from releasing some results. I don't know which results. And maybe that is why there are not final numbers, if they were playing games and Bernie's team could prove it. I wish I had saved it but didn't, because I expected to learn more about it.
Oh hell.
Maybe they DID actually have a fuckup...maybe they fucked up the fraud they were trying to commit.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That was my first thought honestly.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
So damned pathetic.
The Bushes tell the Clintons how to rig things, and they can't even do it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Is there something fishy here. You can judge for yourself.
I just checked the NY Times results for Polk County Iowa. IT states that 112 out of 177 reporting showing a tie between Mayo Pete and Bernie. Seems reasonable.
But then there is this!
Perhaps they want to give Mayo Pete a few more days.....
To bask in the limelight and enjoy his ill gotten bounce.
Bingo
This is exactly why they aren't releasing the rest of the results yet. They want Mayo Pettigrew to bask in the glory until we move on to the next election. If anyone still thinks that the DNC is going to run a fair election I don't know what to tell you.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I don't think any of *us* expected fairness
But such blatant, brazen, easily caught cheating - I don't think we expected that.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Bery bery true.
Didn't take much to expose the relationship between the players or that the app was not showing the entered values, or results not being show by the state party. No need for Wikileaks to expose the corruption.
But the major outlets are trying to tell people to move along nothing to see.
So I got this, as of 3 hours ago:
First paragraph of an otherwise routine fundraising E-mail:
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
This is what the MSM does to influence the gullible public.
It is not the 99%'s fault as they have far too many ongoing concerns to be plugged into the internet to find the truth.
I can't believe they are still using super-delegates
That is Very Undemocratic for the Democratic party to do.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Anyone else see this fuckery?
Is this is some organized "Screw Bernie" operation they got in progress.
How else do you get people to figure out and organize something like this doesn't seem spontaneous.
I wonder how many other precincts had similar shenanigans going on.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It is actually quite sad but unfortunately it is the truth.
Think about it folks!
This sums up this debacle quite well
..
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
After 62% of Danny DeVito's Heart Operation
The plan is working
The establishment plan is working. ABB: Anyone but Bernie.
Elizabeth is in the race to prevent Bernie from winning.
Pete is in the race to prevent Bernie from winning.
Bloomberg is in the race to prevent Bernie from winning.
Amy is in the race to prevent Bernie from winning.
Their plan is working.
Bernie will not have enough delegates to win on the first ballot. So, then, the superdelegates can jump in and install some establishment choice. Probably Bloomberg.
I hope I'm wrong.
On the other hand, a lot of people splitting the middle lane
So it could be harder for those people to reach the 15% threshold in state presidential primary candidates.
With no "realignment" in primaries any such percentages will be proportionally allocated to those reaching the threshold. I expect Senator Sanders to always exceed 15% so the more the centrists split that lane the more he benefits.
I just had a flashback to a kid joke from days of yore.
Pete and Repeat went out in a boat. Pete fell out. Who was left?
Repeat!
And so on ad nauseum. Looks like we’re going to be force fed Pete in one form or another.
I loathe the DNC!
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Look on the Sunny Side
Biden came in fourth.
Warren in third behind Pete the Cheat.
Pete the Cheat ain't going nowhere after Iowa.
Bernie won almost half of the POC vote in Iowa. Nobody else came close.
Bernie got 30% of the vote in Iowa, which is what many of us were hopefully projecting.
Bernie's lookin' good for New Hampshire and got a bump from Iowa:
Emerson poll through February 4: 32%
Emerson poll through February 2: 29%
Let's jump to the end of the clusterfuck. BERNIE WON!
Proof you ask?
If anyone else had won they would have released the numbers without massaging them. Everyone knows they hate Bernie. And everyone knows they are cheaters and liars.
BERNIE WON! On to New Hampshire!