New York Times Editorial Board Endorses Warren and Klobuchar

Submitted by Le Frog on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 10:24pm

I. Can't.

Here's the link, but I frankly wouldn't bother:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/19/opinion/amy-klobuchar-eli...

The TL;DR version is "Both the radical and the realist models warrant serious consideration. If there were ever a time to be open to new ideas, it is now. If there were ever a time to seek stability, now is it.

That’s why we’re endorsing the most effective advocates for each approach. They are Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar." (In case there is confusion, Two Faces Warren is the "radical" and Amy KlobberWithAChair is the "realist.")

At least by endorsing Biden, they are Sound and In Line with the Establishmentarian Wisdom that Joe Biden is the closest thing to presidential. They've endorsed not one but two non-starters. Warren is presently tanking her campaign and most people reading this have to look up who the fuck Klobuchar is.

Maybe the silver lining of the second phase of Donald Trump's unfortunate leadership as he appoints himself officially as King Donald is that he outlaws newpapers.

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Submitted by Pricknick on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 10:44pm
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that not getting an endorsment from that rag as a good sign.

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 10:44pm
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"Both the radical and the realist models warrant serious consideration. If there were ever a time to be open to new ideas, it is now. If there were ever a time to seek stability, now is it.

"Seek stability." English Translation: No Change. The mating-call of Conservatives and Tories everywhere.

Fuck all conservatives. Especially those who disguise themselves as progressives to make sure that There Is No Alternative.

The New York Times isn't fit to train my puppy!

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Submitted by Le Frog on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:01pm

@thanatokephaloides and I'm still shaking my head over how they covered their bases by choosing two stinkers instead of one.

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Submitted by NYCVG on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 8:39am

@Le Frog The NY Times doubled down on their irrelevance.

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Submitted by leveymg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 2:39pm

@thanatokephaloides is to strictly limit the boundaries of accepted debate, and to encourage lively controversy within it." Noam Chomsky would add here - and, have people take literally what they read in The New York Times, in the belief that it is a honest broker of news and opinion.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 8:11am
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@leveymg This is exactly what the Times endorsements are doing. They are limiting the conversation in two ways. First, they are limiting the conversation to the status quo politically. Klobucher (yawn) is promising to stay completely within the neoliberal boundaries that the corporatists want. Warren talks one way, but she is a capitalist to her very bones. Second, they are using identity politics to limit the choices to one of two women which effectively says that no one outside these two women, including a woman of color (Gabbard) is worth carrying the mantel of being the first female President.

The New York Times continues to soil itself with these non-endorsement endorsements. The New York Times is just another neoliberal rag.

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Submitted by entrepreneur on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:17am

@thanatokephaloides
... themselves as progressives to make sure that There Is No Alternative."

Absolutely. And that raises another related dynamic that confounds the hell out of me, which is when conservative acquaintances refer to right-wing democrats as "liberal". I don't even know where start to unwind that mess.

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 2:35pm
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Absolutely. And that raises another related dynamic that confounds the hell out of me, which is when conservative acquaintances refer to right-wing democrats as "liberal". I don't even know where start to unwind that mess.

Your pet tories don't understand the difference between "liberal" and "neoliberal", obviously. That's rather typical of the conservative mindset. They're unable to think in non-conservative terms, and when pressed, are actually proud of that fact.

Bad

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Submitted by Bob In Portland on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 7:56pm
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@thanatokephaloides LIBERAL FASCISM by Jonah Goldberg. I wouldn't doubt that there was a concerted strategy by someone smarter than the chowderhead Goldberg, a strategy of a more sinister power, for making this ludicrous premise, which scrolled out almost like a visual from 1984. By putting "liberal" and "fascism" right next to each other in big print to those of our bethren who don't read the insides of books, the message nevertheless was delivered.

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Submitted by Lily O Lady on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:37pm
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I believe he described a vote for Trump as a Molotov cocktail thrown at the establishment. No one wanted to believe it, but he was proved right.

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Submitted by Le Frog on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:03pm

@humphrey he has a low tolerance for bullshit. I thought I heard every posterior in that room clench.

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Submitted by Wally on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 7:10am
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I try to stay at or below 400 x 400 (after you insert the photo in the popup screen, right below it, you can make adjustments. You can always edit and play around with the sizing if it isn't good the first time around.

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Submitted by wokkamile on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 11:27am

@humphrey did Bernie decide to play along in this charade of an endorsement process by sitting down for an interview? Tulsi had the far better approach towards the Times -- basically Screw You.

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 2:44pm
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Great, but why did Bernie decide to play along in this charade of an endorsement process by sitting down for an interview? Tulsi had the far better approach towards the Times -- basically Screw You.

Bernie tends to want to deliver his "Screw Yous" in person. His announcement regarding his low tolerance for bullshit, in the very throne-castle of America's bullshit industry, is classic. While Tulsi's walk away is more diplomatic, Bernie is more in-your-face. It's a difference of style.

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Submitted by wokkamile on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 4:40pm

@thanatokephaloides it when Bernie was forcefully and directly sticking it to the NYT. What I heard was a mild aside, parenthetically noting that "maybe" the Times has been part of the establishment that has let people down. It's rather mild criticism, imo.

By declining their invitation to compete, Tulsi sent a far stronger message about the Times and the somewhat demeaning process they use to arrive at an endorsement.

Not a big deal however, as newspaper endorsements long ago ceased to have any impact with the public. Perhaps Bernie saw a benefit in showing up in order to soften the Times hostile coverage of his campaign.

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Submitted by Pricknick on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:27pm
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@humphrey
the first sentence of their actual endorsement:

Senator Warren is a gifted storyteller.

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Submitted by Wally on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 7:16am
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A gifted storyteller.

It's a good thing I had already taken my last gulp of coffee.

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Submitted by Dr. John Carpenter on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:00am

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Senator Warren is a gifted storyteller.

Her problem is, she isn't good at it.

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Submitted by Le Frog on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:03pm

@humphrey it made me laugh, thank you!

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Submitted by edg on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 10:53pm
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I just can't bring myself to surrender my membership in the He-Man Woman-Hater's Club. It took me 10 years to earn my misogyny award and 35 to learn how to subjugate the little woman in my life. [Note from Mrs. EdG: I let him think that.] Now that I've proved my manhood by keeping Hillary down by not voting for her [2nd Note from Mrs. EdG: I didn't vote for her either.], I look forward to keeping Elizabeth down by voting for her if she's the nominee or the vice-nominee.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:51am
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Literally LOL. Too bad I can't share your comment with my life partner, who doesn't like to hear about politics (understandably).

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:12pm
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about the working class.

Reposting this ICYMI.

This is your clue to drop out Warren.

Here's why they didn't endorse Bernie.

This poll has Bernie winning.

This is a good response.

ETA but the tweet says it's not available...

Already up it's own ass for quite some time, nyt has come back out the top, circled around, and gone in again. Truly a sight to behold.

Hmm is that why the Slimes chose Warren? Amy doesn't have a chance to win but people were betting that they'd choose her anyway. lol they were right.

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Submitted by entrepreneur on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:05am

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approval."

No doubt via intra-office memos or passed across the conference room table at their morning meetings.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:03pm
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If this was Bernie he'd have been drummed out of the primary already and we all know it! Two Americas huh? The power elite can get away with child sex trafficking while Joe Blow goes to prison.

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Submitted by Le Frog on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:10pm

@snoopydawg and we'd all be forced to write letters of apology to newly appointed Perma-President Clinton.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:16pm
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But not enough pause ehh?

Lots of laughs on Twitter tonight about this.

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Submitted by Shahryar on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:55pm
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will have a tougher time finding talent because of her history of throwing objects at her staff.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:06pm
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on that.

While I’d prefer a candidate who in the past was able to attract, hire, and retain the best of the best to work for them I would also want them to find people who not only are capable but also willing and able to keep up with a tireless and demanding boss. If Klobuchar herself didn’t vet job applicants whoever she had do so should have made sure the staffers would be up to the demands of the job from major to seemingly trivial given the personality of the boss.

Unfcukingbelievable.

Something that I think is missing from your analysis is that because women aren't expected to/are discouraged from becoming angry in our society, employees are much more likely to remember that anger and/or act negatively to it.

Seriously?

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:22pm
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being physical with it is another. IMO.

Harry Reid Rebuked Amy Klobuchar For Mistreatment Of Staff

A leaked campaign document shows how staff tried to manage her anger.

Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s mistreatment of her office staff began more than a decade ago and eventually caused such concerns that in 2015, then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) spoke to her privately and told her to change her behavior, multiple sources have confirmed to HuffPost.

Klobuchar, a Democrat who plans to announce whether she’s running for president at a rally in Minneapolis on Sunday, has faced trouble hiring campaign aides because of her history of Klobuchar had “created a hostile work environment” and “severely damaged the morale of the office,” wrote James Appleby, the president of the local. The letter claimed that grievances to the union increased under Klobuchar’s tenure and that Klobuchar once told her own employees they weren’t competent enough to work at her former law firm. It also claimed the local had asked the union to withhold its endorsement for her county attorney bid in 2002.

“In short, Amy Klobuchar is exactly the kind of candidate that AFSCME should oppose,” he wrote. The letter, in a passage that potentially echoes sexist stereotypes about female elected officials, also claims that Klobuchar’s political ambition compromised her management of the office. It accuses her of taking credit for her employees’ hard work by being the public face of the office and rejecting qualified job applicants to work in her office in favor of “candidates who support her ambitions.”A former aide to ex-Sen. Al Franken recalled an encounter at a Veterans Day event to which Klobuchar was running late. (Franken, another Minnesota Democrat, resigned from the Senate in December 2017 after multiple women accused him of groping them or forcibly kissing them, often at political events.)

A young Klobuchar staffer was sent to explain the senator’s lateness to the Franken staffer.

“I’m supposed to tell you,” she said, with a look of terror on her face, “Senator Klobuchar is late today because I am bad at my job.”.

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Submitted by Shahryar on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:36pm
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Something that I think is missing from your analysis is that because women aren't expected to/are discouraged from becoming angry in our society, employees are much more likely to remember that anger and/or act negatively to it.

some think bad behavior and worse are ok in a woman because men do it more. When the proper attitude is, I believe, they should all stop it!

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:53am
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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 12:05pm
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The Grey Lady's reputation has been in the gutter since the Iraq war if not longer so BFD that it endorsed Liz and Amy which tells me that they are just giving cover to the status quo since neither would change anything which is what the dems want to happen. Endorsing two people with opposite views on how to do something just cancels both out.

And the Slimes dismissed Bernie on his health issues iirc and not on his policies that would help lift the 99% of us that are being left behind. Cant have that now can we? It would get in the way of rich people getting away with economic murder.

I am watching this video about how the rich have bought the government and is increasing wealth inequality. Back in the 50's until Reagan 90% of the growth went to the working class. Now it is less that 1% if that much.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6niWzomA_So]

It goes with this incredible article about how the dems and repucks are of the same system, but have different ways to achieve it. IT is not just about what his happening in this country, but the global elites wish to rule the world. Great article. I highly recommend reading it and following the links included. Another great interview of Michael Hudson.

War of the World: The new class war

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Submitted by humphrey on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:16pm

A split decision rather than a Biden one is a good thing. Also if anyone (including the Hilbots) is dumb enough to be influenced by what the NYTIMES editorial board says they might split their votes.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:18pm
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But the best news is that ByeDone didn't get the endorsement. Must be too old?

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Submitted by NYCVG on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 8:44am

@humphrey My take as well.

This Helps Bernie. Doesn't hurt him at all. Knocks out Biden.

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Submitted by Wally on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:28am
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Vote for Lady #1 who certainly won't get 15% of the vote anywhere except Minnesota.

Or vote for Lady #2, the gifted storyteller whose polling numbers are plummenting and probably won't get 15% of the vote except in very white northeastern states.

Split the vote between them but just don't vote for Bernie whatever you do.

And ensure that nobody gets 51% of the delegates come the end of the primaries so that it goes into a second ballot and the superdelegates can take care of business.

Does it strike anyone that the NYT might be/s a frigging CIA psy-op?

If Bernie wins Iowa, it may very well be curtains for the ruling class.

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Submitted by magiamma on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 11:15am
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Split the vote between them but just don’t vote for Bernie whatever you do

Working hard to disenfranchise...

Edit to add: Specifically to garner the women's votes

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:21pm
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Totally not rigged.

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Submitted by Centaurea on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 7:45pm
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refused to play their game, so they're pretending she doesn't exist.

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Submitted by Centaurea on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:32pm
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If I were Elizabeth Warren, I'd be gnashing my teeth and rending my hair right about now.

The NYT editorial board chose a clever way to avoid making a real decision. (I guess they thought it was clever, at least.) The endorsement piece contains all the same old lies and misrepresentations that we've come to expect from the corporate media.

Klobuchar might be able to make hay from this "dual endorsement". I don't think it's going to help Warren that much. And I don't think it's going to hurt Bernie at all. Probably help him.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:08am
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(I guess they thought it was clever, at least.)

Uh-huh.

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Submitted by Wally on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 11:13am
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. . . in that video is worth every penny I've sent to Bernie.

I think I'll send s'more!

edit/add tweet:

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Submitted by Lily O Lady on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:21pm
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As the main course!

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Submitted by Cassiodorus on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:42pm
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who behaves like this has motivated Klobuchar's staff to reach for the stars... no, wait, she's at 3% in the polls, a smidgen below Yang...

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 4:30pm
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I'm sure that having to work for someone who behaves like this has motivated Klobuchar's staff to reach for the stars... no, wait, she's at 3% in the polls, a smidgen below Yang...

That's what you get when you make your employees see stars rather than reach for the stars.

Bad

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:18pm
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This is bad even for you...

Smile

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 12:41pm
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Holy hell! Millions of people who shouldn't be are dead because Joe used his position on the foreign policy committed to send people off to kill them.

My Gawd if this doesn't sum up how idiotic the NYS endorsement is. I have more words, just can't organized them right now. Disgusted comes to mind though!!!!

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Submitted by Shahryar on Sun, 01/19/2020 - 11:58pm
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I mean we can say "hey, they employ David Brooks" as a way of illustrating where they stand but if they'd endorsed Bernie we'd compliment them.

But then they didn't, did they?

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Submitted by Centaurea on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 12:55am
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it would have made me very suspicious of their motives. It would have been very out of character for the NYT, and I would have wondered why they did it.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 12:06am
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End of video....

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Submitted by laurel on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:13am

@humphrey but the NYT is not a U.S. government mouthpiece. It is the neocon oligarchy mouthpiece. It does not reflect the views of the Trump Administration unless Trump is bombing other countries. It wants a president who will do the will of the oligarchy. It despises candidates who represent the needs and desires of the people of this country. It wants to confine the people into little pigeonholes labeled black, white, female, male, gay, straight, etc., then have us fight amongst ourselves for an ever diminishing supply of crumbs so that we'll never fight against the oligarchy for our rightful share of the entire pie.

The NYT is the enemy of the American people. And it shows our electoral process to be a sick joke.

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♫ Cue Ol’ Blue Eyes: “If I can make it there, I’ll make it anywhere …” New Yawk, New Yaw-w-wk …

It wants to confine the people into little pigeonholes labeled black, white, female, male, gay, straight, etc., then have us fight amongst ourselves for an ever diminishing supply of crumbs so that we'll never fight against the oligarchy for our rightful share of the entire pie.

NYC is full of minorities, each wrangling and wrestling for their respective tribal and parochial interests, and in the end Wall Street and the Deep State runs the show. For them, what’s not to like?

NYC real estate developer makes his move and world history is changed! No, no, not Trump — that other guy, oh, what was his name? — Larry Silverstein …?

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:18am
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wants to talk about the fact that we lost our republic sometime between 1994 and 2004. Despite all the issues that I think are crucially important both to our continued lives and to, well, basic human decency, the only thing you need to ask about in re: any candidate is where he or she stands on the current political and economic system.

If a candidate supports our current system (including thinking "Well, it's kinda OK. Just need to tweak around the edges. Or wait for a while for it to get better. It will. We know that for sure!") that candidate is useless. Any promises he or she makes about policy change are false. You can take that to the bank, or, well, to your mattress.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 12:52am
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And of course he fundraised off that.

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Submitted by laurel on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:20am

@snoopydawg . They are disgusting and reprehensible -- and amazingly enough I suddenly feel superior to them. (My inner liberal would normally be feeling sorry that the poor things turned out so badly.)

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:22pm
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@laurel

We should all feel superior to the cretinous blobs that run our government. They are slaves to their donors and if they don't do what they are told to they don't get to play in congress anymore. And who wants a job where you make decisions that hurt people? I doubt I'd last a term in congress. I couldn't do it.

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Submitted by laurel on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:31am

Bari Weiss is a NYT reporter. Wacko

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Submitted by Centaurea on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 2:22am
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@laurel
is, as well.

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Submitted by cybrestrike on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:50am
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The clowns in that room represented everything wrong with elite opinion. These people do not interact with real people outside of their bubble. They don't understand how the real world works. These people live in a singularity within a singularity.

In the end I don't think this helps anyone. If I were the Times, I totally wouldn't do an endorsement like that again. Now everyone knows that their editorial board is looks like a band of douchebags. Those facial expressions were so detached from humanity...and so odd. What a weird group of people.

The only good thing to come out of this are the memes. So perfect.

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Submitted by Centaurea on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 2:41am
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@cybrestrike

are exactly the type for whom the phrase "ivory tower liberal" was coined. (Although as we know, "neoliberal" is currently more accurate.)

I watched Bernie's interview with the NYT editorial board, when he said that a big reason why Trump won is that working Americans feel left out and left behind. The NYT people kept insisting, with great condescension, "But that's not true! Studies show that's not the case!"

"Studies show that's not the case."

They're stuck in their heads, in their Ivy League-educated, hedge-fund-invested Midtown Manhattan bubble, and they don't have a clue what regular people experience or think. I don't believe most of them want to know. They don't believe they need to know.

They are wrong about that, of course. Despite their Ivy League degrees, they are extremely ignorant.

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Submitted by Reverend Jane I... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 5:08am

@Centaurea

"Studies show that's not the case."

And look here deplorables, if those studies know what's good for them, they'll continue to bring us the results we've paid for otherwise we'll take our belt off.

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Submitted by Wally on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 7:37am
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@Centaurea

Or are they just lickspittles and/or errand boys (and girls - progress!)?

Or both?

[video:https://youtu.be/j_08qMnW7XI?t=241]

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Submitted by Centaurea on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 8:02pm
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@Wally They obviously have to have some degree of intelligence to have their jobs, so they're not stupid.

My explanation is that they're a bunch of narcissists who have fallen for their own con.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:23am
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@Centaurea

may I paraphrase Alan Grayson?

"So that is what passes for an elite education these days?"

Total abandonment of evidence and logic. Deliberate misconstruction of fact.

When I was at Penn, they didn't teach us to lie. And if they had, they would have taught us to lie better.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 2:00pm
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@Centaurea

'Love Letter to Capitalism and War': Progressive Scorn Follows New York Times Endorsement

The newspaper's endorsement of both Warren and Klobuchar, said one critic, reveals "so much about the liberal reaction to a resurgent left, a reaction that holds Trump as an aberration and polite, well-mannered centrism as the greatest virtue."

But from the TV reality show-esque manner in which the board made its announcement, to framing the two senators as "the radical and the realist models" worthy of consideration, to whitewashing U.S. empire, the editorial board came under fire from progressives.

"If I were going to go all weak-kneed like the New York Times," McKibben wrote on Twitter, "I'm not sure I would have picked the day devoted to our most clear-eyed moral leader to do it."

It is "always worth remembering," he added, "that the NYT editorial board slammed MLK when he came out against the Vietnam War."

At the end of the day, though, some observers suggested the endorsement doesn't really warrant any attention all.

"Lotta people gaming out what the NYT endorsement means but let's be real," said journalist Ken Klippenstein: "nobody really gives a shit."

The lone comment

If any were still sitting on the fence wondering if Elizabeth Warren indeed a Progressive, the blessing of the New York Times should remove any of those illusions.

She IS an establishment candidate. The endorsement of the NYT is because they know she will defend Wall Street, the 1 percent and the warfare state. If she was a threat to the 1 percent the NYT would never endorse her.

(One of my early clues as to whether Barack Obama genuine was when the mainstream media started to get on his bandwagon. As soon as the happened It made me suspect of Obama)

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 2:07pm
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confirms that she is the establishment candidate. She refused to run against HER last time even though many wanted her to and then she decided to run this time instead of supporting Bernie. What makes it worse is that she at first was running on Bernie's platform and then kept walking everything back. Now she is basically Hillary 2.0.

She is running to keep Bernie from winning. How those who supported Bernie last time but are now supporting her can't see her for what she is boggles my mind. If you woke up last time then what put you back to sleep? Huh?

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Submitted by Reverend Jane I... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 5:07am

This endorsement reflects their values perfectly: service the impulsive demands of the wealthy at the expense of everyone and everything else. All the rest is lies and shiny objects.

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Submitted by Wally on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 7:28am
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They endorse full employment by requiring everyone hire maids (inluding maids, I guess).

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Submitted by orlbucfan on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:46am
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@Wally Rec'd!!

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Submitted by Shahryar on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 6:46pm
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And studies show....

There is this thing that we do where we note discrepancies or correlations, where we weigh pros and cons, where we use our ability to reason.

Apparently politicians and journalists don't have this ability. Either that or they're evil liars. Honestly I think for the most part, especially journalists, they're just plain dumb.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:40am
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to show that they #BelieveWarren.

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:41am
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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:46am
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Who knew.

Trump will have a hard time finding them to destroy them.

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-- Fiver

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:49am
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given that they basically just said "We don't have the guts to make a choice. Instead, we're going to peddle the lie that you can fundamentally change something at the same time that you keep it the same."

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-- Fiver

Submitted by entrepreneur on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:55am

naturally they endorse fucking Klobuchar. Disingenuous trolls.

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Submitted by Dr. John Carpenter on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:11am

Keep an eye out. Unless she's knocked out entirely, expect to see more pushing of her, especially if Warren goes down first.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 10:52am
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@Dr. John Carpenter has been pushing Amy Klobucher for a while. That should tell you that the neolibs love her.

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Submitted by laurel on Tue, 01/21/2020 - 1:19am

of the candidates, @gulfgal98 . There's this: Amy Klobuchar: The favorite Democrat of Senate Republicans

and this: Elizabeth Warren espouses economic nationalist policies aligned with Donald Trump

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 9:26pm
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Nevermind that we wanted ByeDone first, Harris second, Mayo Pete third. Amy will do a great job not changing the way this country is becoming a banana republic.

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Submitted by Wally on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 11:04am
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Who is he pushing?

https://twitter.com/USCentrist

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Mon, 01/20/2020 - 1:48pm
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Now the way we give "serious consideration" to something is...to elect it President?

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