The Afghanistan Papers: We Were Lied To

This is not a bombshell report, but unlike what the WashPost usually does, this actually qualifies as journalism.

Confidential documents obtained by The Washington Post reveal that top US officials misled the American public about the war in Afghanistan in order to conceal doubts about the likelihood that the US could be successful in the nearly 20-year effort since its earliest days, the paper reported in a major investigation on Monday.
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In comparing the new documents to the Pentagon Papers, the Post said that "throughout the Afghan war, documents show that U.S. military officials have resorted to an old tactic from Vietnam — manipulating public opinion."

After 18 years of war, you would have to be extremely naive and gullible to think that we were winning in Afghanistan. So I think the lies were meant more for internal consumption than for the public.
Nevertheless, some of the quotes are enlightening.

In one such case, the Post said Douglas Lute, "a three-star Army general who served as the White House's Afghan war czar" under former Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, told interviewers "we were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan -- we didn't know what we were doing."
"What are we trying to do here? We didn't have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking," Lute said in 2015, according to the Post.
In another example, Jeffrey Eggers, a retired Navy SEAL and White House staffer for Bush and Obama, bemoaned the cost of the war to interviewers, asking, "What did we get for this $1 trillion effort? Was it worth $1 trillion?" the Post said.
"After the killing of Osama bin Laden, I said that Osama was probably laughing in his watery grave considering how much we have spent on Afghanistan," the former SEAL said, according to the paper.
One individual identified as a senior National Security Council official said, according to the paper, that "even when casualty counts and other figures looked bad ... the White House and Pentagon would spin them to the point of absurdity."

John Sopko, head of the Office of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, said "the American people have constantly been lied to" since the war began.
The Five O'Clock Follies didn't work, and the Afghanistan lies didn't work either.

“Every data point was altered to present the best picture possible,” Bob Crowley, an Army colonel, told government interviewers, according to the Post. “Surveys, for instance, were totally unreliable but reinforced that everything we were doing was right and we became a self-licking ice cream cone.”

In a related note, SIGAR released a report on our War On some Drugs in Afghanistan just a few days ago.
Do I need to give you a hint what it says?

The counternarcotics effort there, for example, "has just been a total failure," John F. Sopko, special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction, said at the Wilson Center in Washington, DC, in November.

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Saudis acknowledge failure

The Saudi-led coalition fighting Yemen’s Houthi rebels said Tuesday, November 26 that it will release 200 insurgents, as efforts pick up pace to end the conflict in the impoverished country.

Trump Admin changes rhetoric

In a shift that analysts said reflects progress in Saudi talks with Yemen’s Houthi rebels to end the Yemen war, State Department Iran envoy Brian Hook said today that Iran does not speak for the Houthis, whom he described as playing a more constructive role in issuing a cease-fire proposal.

“We should recall that the Houthis proposed a cessation of missile and air attacks with Saudi Arabia just days after the Iranians struck Saudi oil installations on Sept. 14,” Hook told journalists at the State Department.

“The Houthis’ de-escalation proposal, which the Saudis are responding to, shows that Iran clearly does not speak for the Houthis, nor has the best interests of the Yemeni people at heart,” Hook said. “Iran is trying to prolong Yemen’s civil war to project power. Iran should follow the calls of its own people and end its involvement in Yemen.”

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...before it dies?

...the Houthis proposed a cessation of missile and air attacks with Saudi Arabia just days after the Iranians struck Saudi oil installations...

I can't believe the State Department is still pushing that lie about Iran. Who to? The entire Middle East already knew about the missile upgrades in Yemen well before they were fired at the Saudi target. Yemen held a festive event to show off their new, sophisticated missiles that they assembled with help from weapons designers in Lebanon and Iraq.

Is the lie for the clueless NATO Vassal States? For the Americans public? Why even bother? The US Empire doesn't need permission from the people to bomb Iran. The people whimpered a bit but went right along with the atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Empire lies for the narrative, only. So, they will say that Iran now has nuclear missiles that can reach the US. Then bomb. The Americans will be relieved to get it over with so they can feel secure, even if they can't afford adequate food or health care. Who cares if the Persians are anti-WMD peaceniks who haven't been the aggressor in any war in the past 400 years?

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— Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

released about Afghanistan was truthful and was evidence that the war was totally corrupt, including the fact that we are funding the Taliban. So if we're looking at who is responsible for this catastrophe, we should look at who is on the receiving end of the trillion dollars we've spent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/13/us-trucks-security-taliban

… It is an accepted fact of the military logistics operation in Afghanistan that the US government funds the very forces American troops are fighting. And it is a deadly irony, because these funds add up to a huge amount of money for the Taliban.

"It's a big part of their income," one of the top Afghan government security officials admits. In fact, US military officials in Kabul estimate that a minimum of 10% of the Pentagon's logistics contracts – hundreds of millions of dollars – consists of payments to insurgents...

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@Linda Wood and all the wrong people are in jail for
this fiasco

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Analysts Detail Claims That Reports on ISIS Were Distorted

I believe that these reports caused Obama to talk about the JV team only being left in Syria.

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To swerve and project.
The oligarch cop force is > half
mercenaries. Buy ISIS and
sell arms. Pentagon signs
perpetually destructive contracts.

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This dinosaur needs to get the hell out of congress. It wasn't just that he lied about 'nuclear weapons' you dolt, he also authorized torture.

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at first I thought she was babbling to hide that she wasn't answering the question, then I realized that she really was trying to answer, but was unable to form a coherent sentence. What do you think, drunk, adjusting meds, or Alzheimer's?

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has inadvertently entered her bloodstream and passed into her brain.

We'll have to wait and see if the damage is permanent.

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I'm surprised every time she does a live press conference because she has a tendency to babble.

"I don't hate anyone! Gawd durnnit!!"

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DEAN CHIEN, STUDENT, JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY: So, Speaker Pelosi, you resisted calls for the impeachment of President Bush in 2006, and President Trump, following the Mueller report earlier this year.
This time it's different. Why did you impose - why did you oppose impeachment in the past? And what is your obligation to protect our democracy from the actions of our President now?

PELOSI: Thank you. Thank you for bringing up the question about - because when I became Speaker the first time, there was overwhelming call for me to impeach President Bush, on the strength of the war in Iraq, which I vehemently opposed, and again not - again, I - I say "Again," I said - said at other places that I - that was my we - all has always (ph) Intelligence.

I was Ranking Member on the Intelligence Committee even before I became part of the leadership of Gang of Four. So, I knew there were no nuclear weapons in Iraq. It just wasn't there.

They had to show us now - to show the Gang of Four all the Intelligence they had. The Intelligence did not show that that - that was the case. So, I knew it was a - a misrepresentation to the public. But having said that, it was a, in my view, not a ground for impeachment. That was - they won the election. They made a representation. And to this day, people think - people think that that it was the right thing to do.

If people think that Iraq had something to do with the 9/11, I mean it's as appalling what they did. But I did - and I've said, if somebody wants to make a case, you bring it forward.

Unbelievably the kids are defending Nancy for not doing that. Funny I remember the opposite when people were mad as hell that she wouldn't do anything to reign in his abuse of power and for lying us into a war that has destroyed the Middle East. As well as defending Biden for calling the guy a liar, fat and wanting to do a contest on pushups and IQ. It's not when they go low, we go high anymore. Oh no. It's okay to get down in the gutter with Trump because he lowered the bar. Every day is opposite day.

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".. darling installed by them intentionally, and I did not have permission to call for impeachment, and I would likely have been convicted of war crimes myself in the fallout. Trump is an accident, a side effect if you will, of a pied piper strategy that went sideways. Hillary was a made woman, but the goddamned voters didn't buy her bullshit. I have been told in no uncertain terms to derail Trump before he bungles away any more of our endless war profits or exposes our corruption. "

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I'm sure that they will provide lots of evidence to back that up. Look for a false flag event coming soon. How many US troops will be sacrificed for their war on Iran?

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Edward Snowden interview speaking from Moscow at the 40th anniversary of the Right Livelyhood Award ceremony.

For those who have the time and interest to listen to Snowden. I always get a lot of gold nugget out of his words.

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since she cheer-led the Libyan fiasco that completely destroyed the country by promulgating outright lies. When she then did the same for Syria I realized what she was - a piece of XXXX.

“Democracy Now” and the “Progressive” Alternative Media: Valued Cheerleaders For Imperialism and War

The major Western mainstream media outlets have been running a “shock and awe” propaganda offensive against the Syrian government of President Bashar Al Assad for nearly 16 months. The misinformation has been unrelenting, monolithic, unverified, one-sided and, frankly, increasingly preposterous.

With the suppression of mounting facts that Western governments are waging a covert war of aggression in Syria, the Western public is right to treat the conventional media sources with skepticism and outright contempt. Such media are seen as “politicized” and “unreliable”, serving a naked imperialist agenda for Western regime change. In a word, they are damaged goods.

This is where a segment of the so-called alternative media can play a valuable propaganda function for Western powers. Because such media are supposed to be independent, critical, non-corporate, the public tends to consider their reports as objective and unbiased. One such “alternative” news service is “Democracy Now” hosted by Amy Goodman. Goodman is seen as something of a campaigning critical journalist shedding the light of truth on the depredations of the US government, corporations and the Pentagon. But a closer look at what Goodman’s “Democracy Now” is reporting on Syria shows that the purported critical broadcaster has become a purveyor of Western government propaganda. While the mainstream media’s propaganda function is obvious to the informed public, Goodman’s “Democracy Now” plays a more subtle role. Camouflaged with the trappings of critical, independent journalism, “Democracy Now” serves to sow powerful seeds of misinformation in a way that the “compromised” mainstream media cannot.

This misinformation from “Democracy Now” is valuable to the ruling elite because to many of its readers it is not seen as misinformation.
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Recall that the Libyan leader was lynched on a roadside by a NATO-directed mob, and sodomised with a knife before being shot dead. It may also be recalled that “Democracy Now” gave prominent broadcasts supporting NATO’s intervention in Libya and justifying the criminal subversion of that country. Going by the latest coverage on Syria, Democracy Now is acting once again under a “progressive” cloak as a propaganda tool for US-led imperialist intervention. Given the misplaced respect among many of the public seeking independent, alternative, accurate news and analysis, this insidious role of Democracy Now is reprehensible. May it be suggested, in the name of media transparency, that the programme be aptly renamed “Imperialism Now”.

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Why do you think Amy sold out? She took money from the Ford and Carnegie foundations and that was when her reporting changed, but why did she accept it in the first place? For years her reporting was so good, but now it's hit and miss.

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Perhaps half the news pushers, journalists, reporters, and TV news-talkers at any given time are CIA assets. CIA history reveals as much. It may have been more extensive in the 1950s and 60s, branching out into fiction and painting. I figured Amy Goodman was part of that. I always pegged The Intercept as Intelligence assets, too. Noam Chomsky and many like him I imagine are controlled opposition. Marcy is definitely an intelligence unit, but I don't think she knows she is being handled. It's hard to tell.

You're probably familiar with the history, below. I believe the intelligence-based, narrative-controlled web is much more interconnected and meshed now. Intelligence operatives have flooded television and politics, and there are direct connections to guiding councils that coordinate messages across media, government, and the internet very well, indeed. intense political-psychology is inserted at various points. That is pretty obvious in the impeachment hearings, where entire parts of reality and real events are completely erased. Mentioning them invites violent outrage and attacks, which I think is some kind of psychological programming. This is happening while there are newspaper and magazine records of the events that are erased from the narrative, so there is confidence that they can crush any attempt to mainstream it. Evidence will disappear soon enough and there will be nothing behind your bookmarks. You've probably noticed the meanings of words changing, or the abrupt word substitutions. This must also be the mechanism for that.

Newly-declassified documents show that a senior CIA agent and Deputy Director of the Directorate of Intelligence worked closely with the owners and journalists of many of the largest media outlets:

The United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities found in 1975 that the CIA submitted stories to the American press:

Wikipedia adds details:

After 1953, the network was overseen by Allen W. Dulles, director of the CIA. By this time, Operation Mockingbird had a major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies. The usual methodology was placing reports developed from intelligence provided by the CIA to witting or unwitting reporters. Those reports would then be repeated or cited by the preceding reporters which in turn would then be cited throughout the media wire services.

The Office of Policy Coordination (OPC) was funded by siphoning off funds intended for the Marshall Plan [i.e. the rebuilding of Europe by the U.S. after WWII]. Some of this money was used to bribe journalists and publishers.

In 2008, the New York Times wrote:

During the early years of the cold war, [prominent writers and artists, from Arthur Schlesinger Jr. to Jackson Pollock] were supported, sometimes lavishly, always secretly, by the C.I.A. as part of its propaganda war against the Soviet Union. It was perhaps the most successful use of “soft power” in American history.

A CIA operative told Washington Post owner Philip Graham … in a conversation about the willingness of journalists to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories:

You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month.

Famed Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein wrote in 1977:

More than 400 American journalists … in the past twenty?five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters.

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/feb/15/memo-offers-look-cias...

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Or a member of the CFR. Or the CAA group that represents most people in the media and Hollywood. Operation Mockingbird never went away either. It just went underground.. as did many of their operations. Plus every msm is owned by someone in the defense industry. No wonder people tow the party line. It's either that or they don't get hired. Bush was low hanging fruit for Keith and Rachel so no big deal that they were against him. But their true colors showed after Obama became president. Stewart and Colbert too. Maybe I gave Amy too much benefit of doubt because she told me things I already agreed with? Sibel Edmonds wrote about the time Amy had a Syrian warlord on her show and she let him mislead her viewers. This is when I found out that she took the money.

The Intercept dude is also connected to George Soros of the color revolution infamy. They are currently having a fundraiser for the site. It's pocket change for Pierre to keep it running, but he wants the readers to pony up. Just unbelievable huh?

BTW. I posted a tweet yesterday about how 40% of the military are pro Russia. This came from VOA who I didn't know who they were. Doh. Voice of America the government's propaganda mouthpiece. Okay since Trump was elected we have been hit with more propaganda than in the past. Is this because Obama made it legal for the government to spread it? Or has it always been this bad?

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This description is a bit dated, because it operates even more seamlessly, now.

CFR members…continue to control the lives of the American people through well planed psycho-political operations. These psychological operations rob American citizens of the present, by creating false reality worlds. These false reality worlds are created to trick the American public into acting not in their own best interest but in the best interest of a group of subtle fascists intent on creating one world order under their control.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cfr_02.htm

Most of the Members are rich, influential lab rats. They provide insulation and cover.

The CFR/RIIA method of operation is simple — they control public opinion. They keep the identity of their (core) group secret. They learn the likes and dislikes of influential people. They surround and manipulate them into acting in the best interest of the CFR/RIIA (Royal Institute of International Affairs at London).

The CFR has only 4000 members yet they control over three-quarters of the nation’s wealth. The CFR runs the State Department and the CIA. The CFR has placed 100 CFR members in every Presidential Administration since Woodrow Wilson. They work together to misinform and disinform the President to act in the best interest of the CFR not the best interest of the American People….

The “Secret Team” help carry out psycho-political operations scripted by CFR members in the state department and the Intelligence Organizations. The psycho-political operations are coordinated by a group of Council on Foreign Relations members called the Special Group.

The Special Group evolved from the Psychological Strategy Board.

President Truman issued an executive order establishing the Psychological Strategy Board (PSB). The Board was run by CFR members Gordon Gray and (his consultant) Henry Kissinger. The PSB has close ties to the State Department and Intelligence Organizations. The purpose of the PSB was to co-ordinate psycho-political operations. Many of those operations were focused at Americans.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cfr_01.htm

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Thanks for the link. So many secret groups running the government which means that it doesn't matter who we vote for since they will only be allowed to do what the real people running the show wants.

The Council on Foreign Relations was founded by a group of American and British imperialists and racists intent on ruling the world.

The Marshall plan and the Monroe doctrine dictated by these groups of sociopaths have brought so much misery and death to millions and there is no end in sight. I just hope that those people who were involved in it and have died are roasting in the 9th circle of hell! This article and Smedley Butler's book should be required reading for high school students and every person who thinks of joining the military. But then they wouldn't get their quotas of cannon fodder would they?

Okay folks don't forget to vote. Blue, red or green it doesn't appear to make a difference.

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WikiLeaks Exposes How Council on Foreign Relations Controls Most All Mainstream Media

A single organization controls almost everything you see, hear, and read in the media and they’ve been handpicking your leaders for decades.

29 Jan 2018 – It is no secret that over the last 4 decades, mainstream media has been consolidated from dozens of competing companies to only six. Hundreds of channels, websites, news outlets, newspapers, and magazines, making up ninety percent of all media is controlled by very few people—giving Americans the illusion of choice.

While six companies controlling most everything the Western world consumes in regard to media may sound like a sinister arrangement, the Swiss Propaganda Research center (SPR) has just released information that is even worse.

The research group was able to tie all these media companies to a single organization—the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

For those who may be unaware, the CFR is a primary member of the circle of Washington think-tanks promoting endless war. As former Army Major Todd Pierce describes, this group acts as “primary provocateurs” using “‘psychological suggestiveness’ to create a false narrative of danger from some foreign entity with the objective being to create paranoia within the U.S. population that it is under imminent threat of attack or takeover.”
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tulsi gabbard was a member of CFR for years; she isn't currently, as far as i could tell on their current list: her choice or theirs? was it because open secrets had features an article or two: 'tulsi gabbard has a defence industry contribution problem'>

but hollywood george clooney, don cheadle, and other movie stars have lifetime sinecures at CFR. hell, oprah, for all i know./s

but back to democracy now!: she'd not only had christopher miller from the kyiv post on spilling his anti-russian garbage, but did a whole broadcast featuring love for the al qaeda head-chopping, organ selling, false flag-gassings in douma, syria... stars of stage and scree...White Helmets.

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after breaking away from Pacifica Radio in 2002.

She gets funding from the Carnegie Corporation, the Ford Foundation, the J.M. Kaplan Fund, the Glaser Foundation, Soros’ Open Society Institute, the Public Welfare Foundation, the Schumann Center for Media and Democracy, the Tides Foundation, and other left-leaning foundations. With each new funding source it appears she "trims" her content to suit.

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I'm wondering why she sold out or if she was always the way she is now? Would I sellout my principles for $$$$? After a two decades of living in poverty I can't say for sure. They say that money can't buy happiness. I'd sure love the chance to prove that wrong. It can buy security from the never ending financial worries.

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As she became more wealthy with funding from new donors she had a choice to make - go against her donors and lose them or make subtle changes in her reporting. It was a slippery slope and she lost her footing. It's not like she was an outlier. Many reporters fall prey to this.

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Goodman is basically a ghoul at this point. Even in noncontroversial programs, her narrative will run through an embedded lie, strategically placed, that passes almost unnoticed. But not for me. I feel the full effect of the corrupt assumption it is meant to promote. I feel a shadow pass over whenever I hear her voice, now.

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here, why I don't care what you can't watch or don't care to watch anymore.

The hyper-sensitivity in defense of who you have analyzed to be sell-outs, dependent on your personal political points of views, has no influence of what I can, should or should not watch.

I read and write (or purposefully don't write) what I want. And feel it's ridiculous that I have to defend my reading choices to please other folks reading preferences, because Amy's etablissement was funded by evil-doing elitist corporate donors. If you have already analyzed that fact, you can keep that in mind and still watch DM without throwing the baby out with the bathtub water, which in this case is what Snowden had to say.

Amy has guests I like to listen to. What's wrong with that? I should not listen to Snowden, because I should not listen to Amy? If I would follow that path, I couldn't watch any news broadcasters and their hosts anymore.

I am at least two weeks behind to really read in full the EB articles and then I am behind to read the Weekly Watch collection of articles and then I should read all the goodies hidden in Wendy's or Magiamma's hot air lists of truthinesses... Gimme a break...

Am I allowed to take a break? You all conspire against me and want me to stop reading at all, you meany jokers? (Oh darling guys and gals, I love you so).
Blum 3

I looked for a sell-out song and found one that said 'I love to be hated'. After that I gave up searching for anything that fits in here.

Lord, I have sinned, I listened to DM and almost fainted when Tulsi appeared on the wrong 'news network'. (imagine swaggarts voice and my tears running down my 'contrite' facial expressions).

Good Morning, have a nice day. We have shit weather. So I stay in bed ... and continue to read what I dare to. Oh, to adjust to your wishes, I won't watch DN now, but DW, which is of course a sell-out too. So, France24 is the only unbiased truthnewser? Or Aljaazera Emglish?

Just for you entertainment, I sin with a pleasure.

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Trauma is what happens inside you,
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So, where are the solutions to change these conditions?
Funny how the only working attempt to help is illegal.

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Nuremburg.

NUREMBURG!

NUREMBURG!!!

First of all, that SEAL guy you quoted said almost exactly what I've been saying for years (my wording and imagery's a bit different). Assuming TIME survives to have the opportunity to announce a "Person of the 21st Century", Osama bin Laden is presently poised as a top contender to that title.

Anyways: When the floodgates finally burst on the reality of what Bush, et al did to us, the anger, the outrage, the HATE will be real, justified, and impossible to brush off like Obama tried to do. "Hate" isn't the problem - it's just an emotion, a natural and RATIONAL reaction to having been dealt a tremendous wrong. The evil arises from taking it out on the wrong people.

SOMEONE will pay for all those flag-draped coffins. I know enough about military families to be certain the bereaved will see to that no matter what - and there'll be ONLY ONE WAY to prevent scapegoating on a scale that could potentially make the Holocaust look like amateur-hour: REAL JUSTICE BROUGHT TO THOSE WHO ARE TRULY GUILTY.

Bringing the Bush Regime and its collaborators to Justice may be painted as dated, petty, "sanctimonious" axe-grinding, but nothing could be further from the truth: Nuremberg II: Judgment Day MUST come to pass; it is a matter of life or death for an incalculable number of innocents.

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Good one.

Close enough

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No one was held accountable, no one was punished. Why should the government, our politicians, stop lying when there is no accountability? Why do we let them go,over and over? Why do we throw lavish funerals for criminals after they live a long and rich life? Will the body of Henry Kissinger be dumped in a latrine somewhere to be remembered as he should?

Except for the leakers, the exposers, the Assanges and Mannings. Then there is "accountability".

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Why do we throw lavish funerals for criminals after they live a long and rich life?

We celebrate each time one of them buys the farm. But their fellow sociopathic friends love to get together to mourn their passings. Bush I's funeral was a great chance for all of his accomplices to be arrested and transported to The Hague. Shucks another missed opportunity. Oh well Kissinger can't live much longer can he? Albright is also getting up there. Carter will probably be the next one to shuffle off this mortal coil, but I think he has been trying to do penance for what he did in office.

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Hmm...I wonder what's going through his mind while guarding the poppy fields knowing that they will be made into drugs that Americans will get hooked on! Is that why he joined the military?

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Is that why he joined the military?

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As I said, he is guarding the poppy fields that the CIA will then bring over here and give it to people who we will then send to prison. Double the money on something that the Taliban had almost wiped out before we invaded and got them growing again. But I see nothing wrong with wondering if that was why if that guy joined the military and then started guarding the fields that will hurt many Americans. I have a problem with it. IF you don't that's fine.

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@snoopydawg
understood what you wondered about. I was thinking about it during the day.

I heard of many things of why men and women enlist in the military. I never heard that some individual soldier enlists intentionally to 'guard the poppyfields in Afghanistan for the profit of the US political powerful, who want to ruin the US population by making them drug addicts and then send them into prison' (I am paraphrazing what you said). I found that assumption a bit over the top. May be that is not what you meant.

No individual soldier knows where he would be deployed to, nor in what conflicts and war situation the soldier would come during his contract with the military. And under the contract he has to do what his superior commander orders him to do, even if it's poppy field guarding.

So the underlying assumption or the wondering about that assumption amazed be a bit, because no matter what kind of political inclination the soldier might have, he can't know upfront the impact that the wars and conflicts he will experience will have on him/her/the US or the world.

At least I believe so. YMMV.
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