Bernie leads in national poll, but you would never know it from the headlines
The Bernie Blackout has gone beyond ridiculous.
A new Reuters-Ipsos poll shows that if former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg was to formally enter the Democratic primary race, he would be tied nationally with Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.)
Released Friday, the national poll shows Bloomberg and Harris tied at 3 percent. Ahead of them is South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 6 percent, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) at 13 percent, and former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leading the pack at 19 percent each.
Sen. Kamala Harris, whose campaign cut staff in a dramatic restructuring last month, is now polling at just 3 percent, tying her with Michael Bloomberg for fifth place among the Democratic Party’s presidential nominees -- according to a poll released Friday -- even though Bloomberg hasn't even formally announced his 2020 candidacy.
...three paragraphs later...
In the poll, both Harris and Bloomberg fell behind Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., who polled at 6 percent, and Sen Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who polled at 13 percent. Former Vice President Joe Biden and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders led the Demicratic field tied at 19 percent support.
If former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg enters the 2020 Democratic presidential nominating race, he will be the fifth most-popular candidate, and his presence may draw more support away from former Vice President Joe Biden than others, a new Reuters/Ipsos public opinion poll shows.
...two paragraphs later...
The result puts the billionaire media mogul well behind Biden and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont (19% each), U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts (13%) and Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana (6%). U.S. Senator Kamala Harris of California also had 3% support in the poll.
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Wow!
So this means Bloomberg would enter the race as a Top Tier Candidate.
(Sorry, I couldn't resist. )
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yeah, but the German press said, Bloomberg
apologized for the way the NY police force has treated black and latino folks. Did Kamala Harris that too?
Nah ... Bloomberg beats her heads down.
But what is Bernie's latest national polling?
You left this reader without any greater knowledge than before reading your essay.
To paraphrase your title, you would never know Bernie's national polling from reading this essay.
from the Reuters article above
The title of this post highlights how Bloomberg with 3% takes the headlines while Bernie tying Biden is not news.
It's at the very bottom of the essay
He's tied with Biden, 19%.
If you believe these polls, that is, which I've really started not to. Biden's continual front-runner status is simply not credible. Nor are the polls which put Bernie Sanders behind Pete Buttigieg.
I've said a lot of harsh things about Elizabeth Warren on here, but I would actually buy the idea that she was trouncing Bernie. She sounds just enough like him to make people think she supports the same things and she has a lot more institutional support than he does. It's like an establishment-supported female version of Bernie. For those who believe she is the same, policy-wise, as he is, that would be a powerful combination.
But Buttigieg? He's like a white, less intelligent, less charismatic, less politically skilled version of Obama. Take Obama and drain away some of his IQ, charisma and melanin, make him younger, and you've got Buttigieg.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Newest Iowa Poll has Bernie Ahead
It's a horse race. Buttigieg is spending pretty much all his money there in Iowa.
CBS/YouGov
Bernie: 22%
Biden: 22%
Buttigieg: 21%
Warren: 18%
Tulsi: 0%
Which makes sense
Sanders, Biden, and Warren have a future in the race if they don't do well in Iowa. Bloomberg can take a fraction of the interest on his money and stay in the race as long as he wants. Without a good showing in Iowa, Buttigieg and Harris are finished. They have no choice but to go all in there.
Actually, if Biden gets shut out of delegates in Iowa (below 15%) he may be done as well. His claim is that he's the one that can beat Trump, but his remaining support may abandon him if he can't even win the early primary states. He still looks good in South Carolina, though, so maybe he hangs on until then.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Boot has a boat load
Maybe so, but I never believed the surge upwards
in his previously entirely single-digit poll results. If all of those results had been Iowa-only polls, maybe. But Mr. Single Digits Billionaire Buddy suddenly surging upwards because...why? His heartwarming civility?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Oh Boot is
I see him as the American Macron. Well-educated young technocrat type with an unconventional marriage espousing safe centrist policies that won't upset the ruling class, but which offer just enough pragmatic liberalism for some left-leaners to be happy.
He's being called the Goldilocks candidate -- not too hot with bold rad-lib proposals, not too cold with overdoing the corporate-friendly centrism. The Establishment's viable alternative to Biden.
I didn't see this one coming, but here we are and enough Iowans seem to be buying it.
@wokkamile And according to the
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2019/11/...
DMR/Selzer
This is the poll I'm going to watch. And as we enter the final 2.5 months before they caucus, the voters will finally start to get more engaged and informed and so the DMR polling should be both fluid and yet more accurate. Also important to watch for late charging candidates, whether Bernie or Liz or whoever, who could close what could be a real 9-pt adv for Boot and come w/n 3 pts or so in the final pre-caucus polls. That candidate could emerge on top.
Or it could be Boot the Mayor emerging with an improbable victory. My current guest would be elated. Me, I would immediately try to clear my head and look hopefully to the next contest in the land of Betty and Barney Hill.
Nice to know about the poll's accuracy
The bigger picture out of Iowa is how it bodes for the EC
But according to the Des Moines Register poll he is extremely popular with his Republican base in IA.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2019/11/...
Well it's not just
Or so it seems when looked at from a narrow perspective. And DJT will need more than just reliable Rs to win in IA and the other states he needs. He needs Indy-Rs and True Indies to win. I don't see it happening. Although this assumes some modicum of political intelligence from the Dem Party and being a little smarter than last time. As in nominating someone who can help keep the party energized about voting -- 3-4 current candidates could do that -- and who could help get Indy-Ds and True Is to show up en masse to the polls. Also helpful, unlike last time, would be for the D nominee to select a dynamic running mate.
If the Ds are reasonably smart, Donald will be defeated. And the senate will (barely) go D as well, for a clean sweep.
If this poll is right and holds up
I wouldn't expect
I think Trump has disappointed a lot of blue-collar Rs, Indy-Rs and True Rs. He didn't quite bring back the hundreds of thousands of jobs he suggested would be returning. And next year, unlike last time, the D nominee will make extra sure to nail down those key MW states plus PN, while putting aside fanciful notions of spending time trying to push the boulder in TX and AZ.
oh, this is horrible!
I think I've said before that I prefer Harris to Boot. After seeing this poll I believe I prefer Biden to Boot. And that's saying an awful lot!
Where's the warmth?
Is it in those earnest looks he gets on his face?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't see much
Maybe a little charmth, as we consider the funny face, the diminutive stature, the colorful personal profile.
If these poll results are non-manipulated, authentic results
then we'll be watching Pete Buttigieg vs Donald Trump in the civility vs bad manners race of 2020!
I guess we'd better hope all the establishment Dems--whether "centrist" or "liberal"--turn out in droves behind Mayor Pete, because I can tell you right now, independents and third-party folks will not turn out for him. And despite his being young, neither will the young. Unfortunately for the corporate Democrats, the Millennials and Gen Y have reasonably good bullshit detectors. They won't fall for an empty suit--for the Millennials it would be the second time they did so, and that's probably one time too many for a generation with any bullshit detector whatsoever.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That's assuming, of course, that the vote
has anything to do with the results.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
you're looking at it all
The elections held in several states this year are a bad omen for Donald, esp in the states where he campaigned for the losing R candidate. Ditto for the 2018 midterms.
Donald is in trouble, and the ongoing impeachment investigation, esp if it branches out beyond U-gate into other areas of HC&Ms, will further damage DT. GOP senators up for re-elect in tough states will be in a tough spot either acquitting him or convicting him. Difficult to see these 4-5 R senators holding on to their jobs.
Nothing is surprising
since they cut away from a Bernie Sanders speech to put a camera on an empty podium where Trump would be speaking later.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It's Inauguration Day
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Now, that's just funny.
It's also unfortunately true.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
LMAO
Remember how, before we all got freaked out about Trump, there were a growing number of actual, substantial protests in front of the headquarters of media corporations such as CNN?
Had to get that in hand RIGHT away.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
This one's still the best...
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Not that it was obvious or anything
that the media didn't want to cover anything that had to do with Bernie. The Gate guards couldn't show the country how Bernie's supporters weren't going to take what the DNC was shoveling standing up.
I hadn't seen this before. Thanks.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Damn. Could it be more plain?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I suspect that Bernie is
I suspect that Bernie is doing much better than imagined, as most polls survey mostly those 50 and over with a landline
Bernie may be doing a LOT better
powerful