Is anyone surprised?
I was thinking about the value of an intelligence operation like this in the dawning age of DeepFake technology. On one hand, why go to the problem of securing girls, transporting them across national borders, setting up marks for dodgy sex, just to produce a film or video to be used for blackmail? Now you can just pay a technician to operate a workstation for a couple of hours and produce anything you can imagine, starring your mark. On the other hand, eventually the value of such evidence in court will be zero. The mark can just claim "DeepFake" and get off. The most you can get for your trouble is some bad publicity.
The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of whatever is in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose ends.
You, Mr. Epstein, were a loose end.
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Any remaining loose ends will just be ignored in future "reporting."
Is anyone surprised?
I was thinking about the value of an intelligence operation like this in the dawning age of DeepFake technology. On one hand, why go to the problem of securing girls, transporting them across national borders, setting up marks for dodgy sex, just to produce a film or video to be used for blackmail? Now you can just pay a technician to operate a workstation for a couple of hours and produce anything you can imagine, starring your mark. On the other hand, eventually the value of such evidence in court will be zero. The mark can just claim "DeepFake" and get off. The most you can get for your trouble is some bad publicity.
The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of whatever is in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose ends.
You, Mr. Epstein, were a loose end.
Is anyone surprised?
I was thinking about the value of an intelligence operation like this in the dawning age of DeepFake technology. On one hand, why go to the problem of securing girls, transporting them across national borders, setting up marks for dodgy sex, just to produce a film or video to be used for blackmail? Now you can just pay a technician to operate a workstation for a couple of hours and produce anything you can imagine, starring your mark. On the other hand, eventually the value of such evidence in court will be zero. The mark can just claim "DeepFake" and get off. The most you can get for your trouble is some bad publicity.
The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of whatever is in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose ends.
You, Mr. Epstein, were a loose end.
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Somebody needs to lose their job over this...or confess they were paid by the Russian mafia to protect Trump
Of course they say this with a straight face and it gets lots of recs, but if anyone blames the Clintons for it?
In the real world, sure. But not in the world of QAnon… watch, they’ll blame her, Obama, Pelosi, and maybe AOC for it by next week. Sick bastards.
lol...that site has been nothing but a conspiracy theory since Her lost the election.
Don’t spout conspiracy theories. I just read a whole bag of them from RWNJ, and as a big surprise, they all pointed the fingers to the Clintons. (*groan*)
As detroit mentioned in the other Epstein essay here, you are constantly watched while on suicide watch and put in cells that remove the possibility of a hanging so how the hell did he do that?
This was the first thing I read this morning and I just laughed because I had written mere hours before that the chances of him making it to trial was slim. Of course he killed himself.
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Have they decided that because he was such a staunch supporter of Israel any further investigation is clearly anti-semitic in nature?
I'm willing to lay money on that one coming out.
Funny how fast "RWNJ"'s have a complete conspiracy theory all set up and ready to go! Actually they didn't. They just have a term for how this always just mysteriously seems to happen for the Clinton's Benefit. They Call it Arkancide... Symptoms include being a political enemy or "traitor" to the Clintons. So, every time something happens that fits the pattern... It's of course a conspiracy theory to mention that it happened.
Somebody needs to lose their job over this...or confess they were paid by the Russian mafia to protect Trump
Of course they say this with a straight face and it gets lots of recs, but if anyone blames the Clintons for it?
In the real world, sure. But not in the world of QAnon… watch, they’ll blame her, Obama, Pelosi, and maybe AOC for it by next week. Sick bastards.
lol...that site has been nothing but a conspiracy theory since Her lost the election.
Don’t spout conspiracy theories. I just read a whole bag of them from RWNJ, and as a big surprise, they all pointed the fingers to the Clintons. (*groan*)
As detroit mentioned in the other Epstein essay here, you are constantly watched while on suicide watch and put in cells that remove the possibility of a hanging so how the hell did he do that?
This was the first thing I read this morning and I just laughed because I had written mere hours before that the chances of him making it to trial was slim. Of course he killed himself.
#3 Have they decided that because he was such a staunch supporter of Israel any further investigation is clearly anti-semitic in nature?
I'm willing to lay money on that one coming out.
Funny how fast "RWNJ"'s have a complete conspiracy theory all set up and ready to go! Actually they didn't. They just have a term for how this always just mysteriously seems to happen for the Clinton's Benefit. They Call it Arkancide... Symptoms include being a political enemy or "traitor" to the Clintons. So, every time something happens that fits the pattern... It's of course a conspiracy theory to mention that it happened.
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#3 Have they decided that because he was such a staunch supporter of Israel any further investigation is clearly anti-semitic in nature?
I'm willing to lay money on that one coming out.
Funny how fast "RWNJ"'s have a complete conspiracy theory all set up and ready to go! Actually they didn't. They just have a term for how this always just mysteriously seems to happen for the Clinton's Benefit. They Call it Arkancide... Symptoms include being a political enemy or "traitor" to the Clintons. So, every time something happens that fits the pattern... It's of course a conspiracy theory to mention that it happened.
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Wasn't it the announcement of the BIG NAMES revealed in the investigation?
Somebody needs to lose their job over this...or confess they were paid by the Russian mafia to protect Trump
Of course they say this with a straight face and it gets lots of recs, but if anyone blames the Clintons for it?
In the real world, sure. But not in the world of QAnon… watch, they’ll blame her, Obama, Pelosi, and maybe AOC for it by next week. Sick bastards.
lol...that site has been nothing but a conspiracy theory since Her lost the election.
Don’t spout conspiracy theories. I just read a whole bag of them from RWNJ, and as a big surprise, they all pointed the fingers to the Clintons. (*groan*)
As detroit mentioned in the other Epstein essay here, you are constantly watched while on suicide watch and put in cells that remove the possibility of a hanging so how the hell did he do that?
This was the first thing I read this morning and I just laughed because I had written mere hours before that the chances of him making it to trial was slim. Of course he killed himself.
Wasn't it the announcement of the BIG NAMES revealed in the investigation?
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I wonder if the Russian trolls are spreading the story Congress should look into that as well as Facebook
Understand that the reason Russian bots are all over the Internet making wild claims about a Clinton connection to the Epstein suicide is because key people in the United States and abroad know the *Trump* connection to Epstein is the one that matters, and is the real story here.
Before Russia Gate's pysops happened the minute people heard that Epstein was dead they would either blame the Clintons for it because of how many times Bill flew on the plane (25-26) or if it never happened they would be blaming Trump because of all the pictures of him and Epstein even though there are just as many of the Clintons with him. But now it's Barr too because he didn't recuse himself even thought there are lots of ties to his father and Epstein and Barr's law firm.....
Good lord. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Yesterday it Twittler was abuzz with the Russians spreading racism. Lol like that hasn't been a problem in this country long before Russia came into existence.
Somebody needs to lose their job over this...or confess they were paid by the Russian mafia to protect Trump
Of course they say this with a straight face and it gets lots of recs, but if anyone blames the Clintons for it?
In the real world, sure. But not in the world of QAnon… watch, they’ll blame her, Obama, Pelosi, and maybe AOC for it by next week. Sick bastards.
lol...that site has been nothing but a conspiracy theory since Her lost the election.
Don’t spout conspiracy theories. I just read a whole bag of them from RWNJ, and as a big surprise, they all pointed the fingers to the Clintons. (*groan*)
As detroit mentioned in the other Epstein essay here, you are constantly watched while on suicide watch and put in cells that remove the possibility of a hanging so how the hell did he do that?
This was the first thing I read this morning and I just laughed because I had written mere hours before that the chances of him making it to trial was slim. Of course he killed himself.
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Because as long as there's a steady paycheck and immunity involved, I'll tell them whatever they want to hear about how Vlad, Oh sorry, that's just our little personal thing, President Putin... ahem, paid me personally to suggest that the paragon of virtue and goodness, her royal worshipfulness, and the sole hope of humanities future... might possibly have said something along the lines of...
"Will no one rid me of this foul pimp?"
Or something to that effect.
And random music because they seem to love their conspiracies, and this one might cause them to crap their pants a little if they think about the implications.
I wonder if the Russian trolls are spreading the story Congress should look into that as well as Facebook
Understand that the reason Russian bots are all over the Internet making wild claims about a Clinton connection to the Epstein suicide is because key people in the United States and abroad know the *Trump* connection to Epstein is the one that matters, and is the real story here.
Before Russia Gate's pysops happened the minute people heard that Epstein was dead they would either blame the Clintons for it because of how many times Bill flew on the plane (25-26) or if it never happened they would be blaming Trump because of all the pictures of him and Epstein even though there are just as many of the Clintons with him. But now it's Barr too because he didn't recuse himself even thought there are lots of ties to his father and Epstein and Barr's law firm.....
Good lord. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Yesterday it Twittler was abuzz with the Russians spreading racism. Lol like that hasn't been a problem in this country long before Russia came into existence.
Good lord. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Yesterday it Twittler was abuzz with the Russians spreading racism. Lol like that hasn't been a problem in this country long before Russia came into existence.
Umm, Russia's about 900 years older than this country (USA) is.....
Or did you mean before RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA!!!11!!!! came into existence? That's different, of course!
I wonder if the Russian trolls are spreading the story Congress should look into that as well as Facebook
Understand that the reason Russian bots are all over the Internet making wild claims about a Clinton connection to the Epstein suicide is because key people in the United States and abroad know the *Trump* connection to Epstein is the one that matters, and is the real story here.
Before Russia Gate's pysops happened the minute people heard that Epstein was dead they would either blame the Clintons for it because of how many times Bill flew on the plane (25-26) or if it never happened they would be blaming Trump because of all the pictures of him and Epstein even though there are just as many of the Clintons with him. But now it's Barr too because he didn't recuse himself even thought there are lots of ties to his father and Epstein and Barr's law firm.....
Good lord. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Yesterday it Twittler was abuzz with the Russians spreading racism. Lol like that hasn't been a problem in this country long before Russia came into existence.
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I wonder if the Russian trolls are spreading the story Congress should look into that as well as Facebook
Understand that the reason Russian bots are all over the Internet making wild claims about a Clinton connection to the Epstein suicide is because key people in the United States and abroad know the *Trump* connection to Epstein is the one that matters, and is the real story here.
Before Russia Gate's pysops happened the minute people heard that Epstein was dead they would either blame the Clintons for it because of how many times Bill flew on the plane (25-26) or if it never happened they would be blaming Trump because of all the pictures of him and Epstein even though there are just as many of the Clintons with him. But now it's Barr too because he didn't recuse himself even thought there are lots of ties to his father and Epstein and Barr's law firm.....
Good lord. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Yesterday it Twittler was abuzz with the Russians spreading racism. Lol like that hasn't been a problem in this country long before Russia came into existence.
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People close to Epstein fear he was murdered...as Epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous incident weeks earlier. He was described as being in good spirits in recent days... https://t.co/J9QNSo1N2v
Just a week ago Epstein was either attacked in his cell which he claimed or he attempted to harm himself. I thought I had read that his lawyers were upset that he hadn't been in protective segregation before because of how high profile he was and that they were insisting on it now.
Lots of high profile people were given immunity in 2006 when the first deal was made and the files released yesterday were from a case that has been settled so this might mean the end of any consequences for the people who were named who were probably sweating bullets yesterday when the files were release and breathing a sigh of relief this morning and thanking the Dawg above.
I am very proud of the people here who were more concerned about the victims of Epstein and his pals then they were of scoring points and tying it more to Clinton or Trump. Enough people knew what he and his pals had done and yet they said nothing about it. Trump was the only one who did talk to the authorities about this way back when. Others pulled a Sgt. Schultz.
When they placed him on suicide watch they meant they were going to watch him “suicide”. Yeah...that’s the ticket!
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People close to Epstein fear he was murdered...as Epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous incident weeks earlier. He was described as being in good spirits in recent days... https://t.co/J9QNSo1N2v
Just a week ago Epstein was either attacked in his cell which he claimed or he attempted to harm himself. I thought I had read that his lawyers were upset that he hadn't been in protective segregation before because of how high profile he was and that they were insisting on it now.
Lots of high profile people were given immunity in 2006 when the first deal was made and the files released yesterday were from a case that has been settled so this might mean the end of any consequences for the people who were named who were probably sweating bullets yesterday when the files were release and breathing a sigh of relief this morning and thanking the Dawg above.
I am very proud of the people here who were more concerned about the victims of Epstein and his pals then they were of scoring points and tying it more to Clinton or Trump. Enough people knew what he and his pals had done and yet they said nothing about it. Trump was the only one who did talk to the authorities about this way back when. Others pulled a Sgt. Schultz.
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This make extradition to the US significantly more difficult for political prisoners.
My dog is upside down because I know Assange will be murdered if he is extradited to the US. Perhaps the rest of the world will begin to act accordingly with respect to their extradition treaties.
They always manage to get away with it, don’t they?
This make extradition to the US significantly more difficult for political prisoners.
My dog is upside down because I know Assange will be murdered if he is extradited to the US. Perhaps the rest of the world will begin to act accordingly with respect to their extradition treaties.
"Epstein's suicide," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment."
With many high-powered men—including President Donald Trump, former president Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom, and Harvard attorney Alan Dershowitz—implicated or accused over the years of having ties to Epstein, attending his parties, or even participating in his alleged sex trafficking ring, news of his death immediately sparked conspiracy theories about his demise.
Worth a full read
#JeffreyEpstein I don't dabble much in conspiracy theories, but... a guy, who the most powerful people in the world want dead, shouldn't be able to commit suicide after an alleged attempted suicide already, while on suicide watch, while everyone says he's going to be suicided. https://t.co/B4mk4mQxfr
No sh*t Sherlock. The timing is too sweet to there not be lots of CTs about it. Another one is will there be any proof that Epstein is really dead? How's that for a CT?
But I doubt it’s likely to deter them in the least.
They win.
They always damn well win.
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"Epstein's suicide," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment."
With many high-powered men—including President Donald Trump, former president Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom, and Harvard attorney Alan Dershowitz—implicated or accused over the years of having ties to Epstein, attending his parties, or even participating in his alleged sex trafficking ring, news of his death immediately sparked conspiracy theories about his demise.
Worth a full read
#JeffreyEpstein I don't dabble much in conspiracy theories, but... a guy, who the most powerful people in the world want dead, shouldn't be able to commit suicide after an alleged attempted suicide already, while on suicide watch, while everyone says he's going to be suicided. https://t.co/B4mk4mQxfr
No sh*t Sherlock. The timing is too sweet to there not be lots of CTs about it. Another one is will there be any proof that Epstein is really dead? How's that for a CT?
"Epstein's suicide," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment."
With many high-powered men—including President Donald Trump, former president Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom, and Harvard attorney Alan Dershowitz—implicated or accused over the years of having ties to Epstein, attending his parties, or even participating in his alleged sex trafficking ring, news of his death immediately sparked conspiracy theories about his demise.
Worth a full read
#JeffreyEpstein I don't dabble much in conspiracy theories, but... a guy, who the most powerful people in the world want dead, shouldn't be able to commit suicide after an alleged attempted suicide already, while on suicide watch, while everyone says he's going to be suicided. https://t.co/B4mk4mQxfr
No sh*t Sherlock. The timing is too sweet to there not be lots of CTs about it. Another one is will there be any proof that Epstein is really dead? How's that for a CT?
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I can copy it, and paste it, but nada in the preview test. Maybe I should paste it into the link button, unlike other links you can just paste in the comment text box?
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I chocked it up to not using the image upload feature, even though it's an actual link. Even on my desktop, uploading images is painfully slow to the point of my thinking everything locked up (crashed), so I just link. And not the actual upload speed, but the upload function "button", and the "browse" button to actually execute. Kudos to those who are so patient to upload images!
If he is in witness protection program, how would we ever know?
Would he reappear to testify? How does this work?
What doesn’t make sense if that after being found ‘unconscious and in the fetal position’ that he wasn’t placed on suicidal watch, unless of course it never was that as he supposedly claimed.
After last nights trove of released docs, naming names, this actually makes more sense.
If someone cared about the risk to his life or should I say testimony.
Out of curiosity, I’ve checked Q too, but nothing since Chan’s went down.
of the document dump? Looked weird, but I didn't put too much thought into it.
And I'm NOT saying he's in WP, but it is interesting. It's a bit more likely than him being taken off suicide watch then accidentally ignored while there was a camera malfunction.
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Maybe we can compare some more shots.
If he is in witness protection program, how would we ever know?
Would he reappear to testify? How does this work?
What doesn’t make sense if that after being found ‘unconscious and in the fetal position’ that he wasn’t placed on suicidal watch, unless of course it never was that as he supposedly claimed.
After last nights trove of released docs, naming names, this actually makes more sense.
If someone cared about the risk to his life or should I say testimony.
Out of curiosity, I’ve checked Q too, but nothing since Chan’s went down.
Do you believe in Coincidence?
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If so, we will never know and he’s not ever coming back.
CT’s of course, but that’s what ‘they’ left us with after proclaiming the defendant dead.
of the document dump? Looked weird, but I didn't put too much thought into it.
And I'm NOT saying he's in WP, but it is interesting. It's a bit more likely than him being taken off suicide watch then accidentally ignored while there was a camera malfunction.
of the document dump? Looked weird, but I didn't put too much thought into it.
And I'm NOT saying he's in WP, but it is interesting. It's a bit more likely than him being taken off suicide watch then accidentally ignored while there was a camera malfunction.
"Epstein's suicide," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment."
With many high-powered men—including President Donald Trump, former president Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom, and Harvard attorney Alan Dershowitz—implicated or accused over the years of having ties to Epstein, attending his parties, or even participating in his alleged sex trafficking ring, news of his death immediately sparked conspiracy theories about his demise.
Worth a full read
#JeffreyEpstein I don't dabble much in conspiracy theories, but... a guy, who the most powerful people in the world want dead, shouldn't be able to commit suicide after an alleged attempted suicide already, while on suicide watch, while everyone says he's going to be suicided. https://t.co/B4mk4mQxfr
No sh*t Sherlock. The timing is too sweet to there not be lots of CTs about it. Another one is will there be any proof that Epstein is really dead? How's that for a CT?
Yes in the end THEY always win.
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who's been running things while hiding in plain sight behind Epstein. She received immunity as a witness, but could still be charged if the plea deal was found to be improper or she lied under oath. Bet she did. The question is now, will the Feds even go there? Bet they won't.
"Epstein's suicide," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment."
With many high-powered men—including President Donald Trump, former president Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom, and Harvard attorney Alan Dershowitz—implicated or accused over the years of having ties to Epstein, attending his parties, or even participating in his alleged sex trafficking ring, news of his death immediately sparked conspiracy theories about his demise.
Worth a full read
#JeffreyEpstein I don't dabble much in conspiracy theories, but... a guy, who the most powerful people in the world want dead, shouldn't be able to commit suicide after an alleged attempted suicide already, while on suicide watch, while everyone says he's going to be suicided. https://t.co/B4mk4mQxfr
No sh*t Sherlock. The timing is too sweet to there not be lots of CTs about it. Another one is will there be any proof that Epstein is really dead? How's that for a CT?
by the same powers that protected Epstein during the first trial. 40 under aged girls accused them of making them perform for their high up friends and Epstein was only charged for prostitution with a 17 year old girl while Ghislaine got off with no charges.
The files that were just released are from 2015 when Ghislaine and Virginia Guiffre settled the case between them. There are more than one investigations into the plea deal IIRC. The federal one that will look at what Acosta did and one in Florida. I think SDNY is involved in one too and it will be interesting to see if any of them go forward now that he's dead. I just find the timing a bit too convenient. First off why was he arrested out of the blue a few months ago? He had to know that everything was being looked at again and yet he just flies back into the country without a care in the world? Then we hear about the sealed files being released after being told a few weeks ago that they wouldn't be? Strange.. and today he's dead. I literally LOL this morning when I saw this. I just said, "of course he is."
Oh well. Webb's next report comes out next week and she has ties to Clinton in it. I'll post it when it does.
#7.1.1.1 who's been running things while hiding in plain sight behind Epstein. She received immunity as a witness, but could still be charged if the plea deal was found to be improper or she lied under oath. Bet she did. The question is now, will the Feds even go there? Bet they won't.
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she still hasn't even been arrested tells me, too, that the same people are still running things. No matter how powerful they are, this killing is extremely high risk behavior, and they might not be able to continue to keep the whole operation under wraps. It could still blow up in their faces. Ghislaine may be a protected long-term operative, but her usefulness is over. Odds are, she's also facing termination.
by the same powers that protected Epstein during the first trial. 40 under aged girls accused them of making them perform for their high up friends and Epstein was only charged for prostitution with a 17 year old girl while Ghislaine got off with no charges.
The files that were just released are from 2015 when Ghislaine and Virginia Guiffre settled the case between them. There are more than one investigations into the plea deal IIRC. The federal one that will look at what Acosta did and one in Florida. I think SDNY is involved in one too and it will be interesting to see if any of them go forward now that he's dead. I just find the timing a bit too convenient. First off why was he arrested out of the blue a few months ago? He had to know that everything was being looked at again and yet he just flies back into the country without a care in the world? Then we hear about the sealed files being released after being told a few weeks ago that they wouldn't be? Strange.. and today he's dead. I literally LOL this morning when I saw this. I just said, "of course he is."
Oh well. Webb's next report comes out next week and she has ties to Clinton in it. I'll post it when it does.
I have no doubt about that. There has long been talk about child sex trafficking, but it really flared up during the last election, but it was tied to Hillary and called PedoGate. Then lots of celebrities committed suicide out of the blue by hanging themselves with something tied to doorknobs. The chef was one of them. Anthony Bourdain?
See the links I posted below and they pretty much agree with what you said. I just read them and I really don't know what to think. But after the Haiti earthquake a woman tried to remove 30 children who she said were orphans, but many were not. She was arrested and the Clintons got her an attorney. This was in 2010.
This crap has been going on for decades. I've posted Whitney Webb's essays if you're interested in seeing what she has written. Ghislaine might really be in Israel right now. I've seen this on more than this site.
#7.1.1.1.4.1 she still hasn't even been arrested tells me, too, that the same people are still running things. No matter how powerful they are, this killing is extremely high risk behavior, and they might not be able to continue to keep the whole operation under wraps. It could still blow up in their faces. Ghislaine may be a protected long-term operative, but her usefulness is over. Odds are, she's also facing termination.
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a good researcher. She's facing the same limitations in the public record all of us are. I wonder what an experienced reporter at the NYT or WSJ might be able to turn up if the editors weren't taking a "I don't want to go there and really don't want to know" attitude toward this story. By virtually ignoring it for so long, if they actually dug anything up now, it would only make their previous inactivity more obvious. Everybody, including the FBI, has the same incentive to just continue to pretend there's nothing else to see.
Plus, the Feds obviously haven't been completely ignorant of this, but have a stake in protecting their own information gathering operations that have been watching the other watchers, domestic and foreign, for decades. This is one of the largest and most "productive" cooperative international, interagency surveillance and entrapment operations ever.
Nobody wants to be responsible for finally shutting it down and mopping up the mess left behind. That cleanup is just starting and it will be a huge job that nobody is really prepared to carry out. Very messy, and a sure career killer for anyone who touches it.
I have no doubt about that. There has long been talk about child sex trafficking, but it really flared up during the last election, but it was tied to Hillary and called PedoGate. Then lots of celebrities committed suicide out of the blue by hanging themselves with something tied to doorknobs. The chef was one of them. Anthony Bourdain?
See the links I posted below and they pretty much agree with what you said. I just read them and I really don't know what to think. But after the Haiti earthquake a woman tried to remove 30 children who she said were orphans, but many were not. She was arrested and the Clintons got her an attorney. This was in 2010.
This crap has been going on for decades. I've posted Whitney Webb's essays if you're interested in seeing what she has written. Ghislaine might really be in Israel right now. I've seen this on more than this site.
@leveymg
'cause she's gonna practice her first and last high dive that her papa did, courtesy of the Mossad coaches he had on board.
#7.1.1.1.4.1 she still hasn't even been arrested tells me, too, that the same people are still running things. No matter how powerful they are, this killing is extremely high risk behavior, and they might not be able to continue to keep the whole operation under wraps. It could still blow up in their faces. Ghislaine may be a protected long-term operative, but her usefulness is over. Odds are, she's also facing termination.
@Alligator Ed
not surprise me one bit if Ghislaine Maxwell meets a similar fate at the same hands as her late father. If you threaten to expose your handlers, even reluctantly, even after many decades of providing valuable service, operational security trumps loyalty. Everyone is expendible, even the Former Prime Minister and Army Chief of Staff, Ehud Barak, who was tied up in this.
Surprising, really, that Barak would get anywhere near Epstein and Maxwell, particularly in recent years. Barak had even gone into business with Epstein, and was photographed leaving his Manhattan townhouse last winter.
Like a lot of people, the former PM treated Epstein as if he was fully protected and untouchable by U.S. authorities. That may have been Epstein's undoing.
The Epstein-Barak relationship is very strange, but Israeli politics, business and intelligence often operates together at cross purposes as if it is outside the reach of any external accountability.
#7.1.1.1.4.1.1 'cause she's gonna practice her first and last high dive that her papa did, courtesy of the Mossad coaches he had on board.
"Epstein's suicide," noted Mariotti, "ends the criminal case against him because no one else was charged in the indictment."
With many high-powered men—including President Donald Trump, former president Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom, and Harvard attorney Alan Dershowitz—implicated or accused over the years of having ties to Epstein, attending his parties, or even participating in his alleged sex trafficking ring, news of his death immediately sparked conspiracy theories about his demise.
Worth a full read
#JeffreyEpstein I don't dabble much in conspiracy theories, but... a guy, who the most powerful people in the world want dead, shouldn't be able to commit suicide after an alleged attempted suicide already, while on suicide watch, while everyone says he's going to be suicided. https://t.co/B4mk4mQxfr
No sh*t Sherlock. The timing is too sweet to there not be lots of CTs about it. Another one is will there be any proof that Epstein is really dead? How's that for a CT?
That would be making a silk purse from a pigs ear wouldn’t it? But I doubt it’s likely to deter them in the least.
Your enemy is the thoroughly corrupt US government.
The people have surrendered their power to the State long ago. The State can only be challenged by a coalition of other States. The way that people rescue themselves is by immigration. Just the way you got here. Sensible and sensitive people are leaving. There is always a way to do this, with and without assets, if you truly object to living in a pig's ear.
Only one thing that matters is true. It will be a pig's ear and then an economic disaster for a very long time to come. No one should want to live through that. Run as fast as you can.
@Pluto's Republic
They don't pretend to be anything except what they are. Here is a picture of one of Alligator University's resident pig consultant, sparing his life because he spews useful information from either end.
That would be making a silk purse from a pigs ear wouldn’t it? But I doubt it’s likely to deter them in the least.
Your enemy is the thoroughly corrupt US government.
The people have surrendered their power to the State long ago. The State can only be challenged by a coalition of other States. The way that people rescue themselves is by immigration. Just the way you got here. Sensible and sensitive people are leaving. There is always a way to do this, with and without assets, if you truly object to living in a pig's ear.
Only one thing that matters is true. It will be a pig's ear and then an economic disaster for a very long time to come. No one should want to live through that. Run as fast as you can.
#7.1.1.2 They don't pretend to be anything except what they are. Here is a picture of one of Alligator University's resident pig consultant, sparing his life because he spews useful information from either end.
To prevent the deep creeps from having their dirty laundry exposed?
Soon as he was jailed, it was pretty obvious he would not be allowed to testify.
Like Julian, the truth is no more acceptable than the facts.
Welcome to the fascist criminal enterprise system.
Brush up against a biggie and your future is gone.
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
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@on the cusp
Clearly he was not on suicide watch because he was not suicidal and the previous suicide attempt was a murder attempt by a Trump supporter trying to prevent the cover up...
I just find it funny that a lot of people on all sides of the aisle are very happy at this turn of events, because it will soon come out that all the allegations were all the fault of an UNJUSTLY persecuted donor who we need to respect and honor... (IOW, they'll whitewash what they can't sweep under the rug, and all his money will stay exactly where it is.)
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
I'm not claiming it's an established fact. But I suppose he was, and my supposition is not without logical foundation. Could it be wrong? Yeah. But I'd have to see the evidence of that.
As with 9/11, the tell will be how the establishment responds to this event. If it's a simple suicide, then information will come out about his activities post-mortem, if not in court, then in the press. If it's a murder to cover up others' involvement, there will likely be little or nothing released and we will be moved along to other things.
As for "a Trump supporter," I have no idea "which side" took out a hit on him. It could have been done by any regular passenger on his jet. They were all wealthy and powerful, yes? Epstein didn't seem like the kind of guy to slum it by bringing 99%-ers on the Lolita Express.
#10 Clearly he was not on suicide watch because he was not suicidal and the previous suicide attempt was a murder attempt by a Trump supporter trying to prevent the cover up...
I just find it funny that a lot of people on all sides of the aisle are very happy at this turn of events, because it will soon come out that all the allegations were all the fault of an UNJUSTLY persecuted donor who we need to respect and honor... (IOW, they'll whitewash what they can't sweep under the rug, and all his money will stay exactly where it is.)
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I'm not claiming it's an established fact. But I suppose he was, and my supposition is not without logical foundation. Could it be wrong? Yeah. But I'd have to see the evidence of that.
As with 9/11, the tell will be how the establishment responds to this event. If it's a simple suicide, then information will come out about his activities post-mortem, if not in court, then in the press. If it's a murder to cover up others' involvement, there will likely be little or nothing released and we will be moved along to other things.
As for "a Trump supporter," I have no idea "which side" took out a hit on him. It could have been done by any regular passenger on his jet. They were all wealthy and powerful, yes? Epstein didn't seem like the kind of guy to slum it by bringing 99%-ers on the Lolita Express.
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
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@Steven D
at the same time the FBI is saying "apparent suicide".
At any rate, the value of all that blackmail evidence he had to save his hide turned out to have zero value.
@on the cusp
They'll claim Deepfake and prosecute anybody who displays knowledge of it because it's child pornography.
We're faced with the horrible situation of the evidence being a crime to possess or see.
#10.2 at the same time the FBI is saying "apparent suicide".
At any rate, the value of all that blackmail evidence he had to save his hide turned out to have zero value.
@on the cusp
I figured it was for Mossad and our spooks. Dirty Deep State. I saw him as an informant, and when he got busted the first time, those orgs protected him. But because of those loud mouth Bs (that's snark for victims) who just wouldn't shut up about it and pestered someone in NY enough that they finally decided to file charges there, he had to be taken out. I just don't think he was smart enough to blackmail that many people that high up by himself. I could be wrong, though.
#10.2 at the same time the FBI is saying "apparent suicide".
At any rate, the value of all that blackmail evidence he had to save his hide turned out to have zero value.
@Deja
My point was that if, for example, Mossad had paid for him to engage in the blackmail scheme, he could have used that against them. What other security did he have for all these years?
#10.2.1
I figured it was for Mossad and our spooks. Dirty Deep State. I saw him as an informant, and when he got busted the first time, those orgs protected him. But because of those loud mouth Bs (that's snark for victims) who just wouldn't shut up about it and pestered someone in NY enough that they finally decided to file charges there, he had to be taken out. I just don't think he was smart enough to blackmail that many people that high up by himself. I could be wrong, though.
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@Deja
in far less of a credible blackmail position when he was taken behind bars. A few phone calls by the would-be blackmailees, and the blackmail problem is solved. Possibly this happened here, who knows.
Esquire is reporting that a few days before his death he was taken off suicide watch. Which makes his sudden demise even more curious.
#10.2.1
I figured it was for Mossad and our spooks. Dirty Deep State. I saw him as an informant, and when he got busted the first time, those orgs protected him. But because of those loud mouth Bs (that's snark for victims) who just wouldn't shut up about it and pestered someone in NY enough that they finally decided to file charges there, he had to be taken out. I just don't think he was smart enough to blackmail that many people that high up by himself. I could be wrong, though.
@wokkamile
But never fear, Barr is having the IG look into it.
Good lawd!
I read elsewhere of people not believing that he's really dead; so someone posted pics of him being wheeled into the hospital. Do people's hands and lower arms turn jaundice yellow after death by hanging? The apparent bruising or dark areas at left temple region and left ear could be explained away, I suppose, but yellow hands and arms, in complete contrast to color of stomach and face seems odd to me.
In case anyone else is interested, here are the 2 images originally published by the New York Post. I can't post a link to imagur on this site that works for some reason so here's a link to the reddit thread I found them on. Click the imagur link to zoom in. I couldn't zoom on the nypost link. https://www.reddit.com/r/Anoneumou5e/comments/coizj0/comment/ewih0ng
#10.2.1.2 in far less of a credible blackmail position when he was taken behind bars. A few phone calls by the would-be blackmailees, and the blackmail problem is solved. Possibly this happened here, who knows.
Esquire is reporting that a few days before his death he was taken off suicide watch. Which makes his sudden demise even more curious.
of his head and especially the earlobe where he has an interesting ear thingy.
Why would this picture have been allowed to be taken and released? Almost like someone is working hard to make sure people think he's really dead.
#10.2.1.2.2
But never fear, Barr is having the IG look into it.
Good lawd!
I read elsewhere of people not believing that he's really dead; so someone posted pics of him being wheeled into the hospital. Do people's hands and lower arms turn jaundice yellow after death by hanging? The apparent bruising or dark areas at left temple region and left ear could be explained away, I suppose, but yellow hands and arms, in complete contrast to color of stomach and face seems odd to me.
In case anyone else is interested, here are the 2 images originally published by the New York Post. I can't post a link to imagur on this site that works for some reason so here's a link to the reddit thread I found them on. Click the imagur link to zoom in. I couldn't zoom on the nypost link. https://www.reddit.com/r/Anoneumou5e/comments/coizj0/comment/ewih0ng
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@snoopydawg
Also, I stumbled across a Twitter feed where ppl were saying that the head is a whole lot larger than the heads of the medics and the unmarked guard guy.
Others think it's not him, but a lookalike actor because his eyes are closed and hands in the position they're in. I just wonder why the hands are yellow.
Lots of people not believing it's even him, let alone that he's really dead.
Has Q resurfaced since 8chan was censored? I'd be curious to know what he has to say about all of this.
@on the cusp
because they had to say that in order to explain how he was able to commit suicide.
But...now he’s suicidal, now he’s not?
Can’t have it both ways.
Sounds like they are trying to pull rabbits out of a hat.
Now you see it, now you don’t.
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
@on the cusp
It has exclusive bathing beaches and basks in warm weather year round. You might find the other tenants to be a bit testy at times, however.
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Back when Epstein was arrested, I wondered why NOW? I know the Miami Herald was investigating the case for some time, victims were pursing justice in civil court, and the "me too" movement was now on the radar, but.....I've learned over time that in politics, one can't always trust their own eyes.
Didn't she commit suicide too and her little black book was never found? Oh yeah the VIA will protect themselves at all costs.
Too many Very Important asses hanging out, all of them with connections to entities that have been known to "take care of problems" for them.
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@snoopydawg
Please explain your obscure reference. I concocted an opinion as to what this means. Do you concur?
VIA = Very Important Assholes
Or did you mean any of the following
Vehicle Internal Architecture
Vicenza Institute of Architecture (very close to my daughter's swamp in FL.)
Valencia Industrial Association
Versatile Integrated Avionics
Visual Immunoassay
or any of the dozen + other listed recognized acronyms.
Every poster should be cognizant that their favored acronyms are neither universally beloved or even recognized by many readers. The first time an acronym is used, outside of the widely understood ones, should be explained in full before assigning an acronym to them. I do not upvote any essay or comment which uses arcane, obscure, or indefinite acronyms. Your comment gets the same from me--no approval. Reveal your meaning and I might reconsider.
#13.1 Please explain your obscure reference. I concocted an opinion as to what this means. Do you concur?
VIA = Very Important Assholes
Or did you mean any of the following
Vehicle Internal Architecture
Vicenza Institute of Architecture (very close to my daughter's swamp in FL.)
Valencia Industrial Association
Versatile Integrated Avionics
Visual Immunoassay
or any of the dozen + other listed recognized acronyms.
Every poster should be cognizant that their favored acronyms are neither universally beloved or even recognized by many readers. The first time an acronym is used, outside of the widely understood ones, should be explained in full before assigning an acronym to them. I do not upvote any essay or comment which uses arcane, obscure, or indefinite acronyms. Your comment gets the same from me--no approval. Reveal your meaning and I might reconsider.
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@TheOtherMaven
Just to make sure that I am reading it and understanding it in the right way.
And as there have been so many recs, I’m hesitant to respond because perhaps it’s me that’s not quite getting it. That I’m willing to concede..
But here’s my quandary.
If it was so blatantly obvious to everyone, that even cartoons were made of it beforehand and this was 100% predictable, why then was nothing done about it?
We all knew he was a dead man walking outside or inside so surely they must have known it too.
I’m just not getting nor believing any of these budget cuts, overtime, or the bs camera malfunctions.
If we knew it, they surely knew it too.
Too many Very Important asses hanging out, all of them with connections to entities that have been known to "take care of problems" for them.
But here’s my quandary.
If it was so blatantly obvious to everyone, that even cartoons were made of it beforehand and this was 100% predictable, why then was nothing done about it?
Because it's in the interests of a whole lot of really uber-rich and hyper-powerful people that Jeffrey Epstein be stone dead.
Either he was left with the means to kill himself and did so, or he was murdered. But you can rely on his being dead, unless someone provides direct, good-quality evidence to the contrary.
#13
Just to make sure that I am reading it and understanding it in the right way.
And as there have been so many recs, I’m hesitant to respond because perhaps it’s me that’s not quite getting it. That I’m willing to concede..
But here’s my quandary.
If it was so blatantly obvious to everyone, that even cartoons were made of it beforehand and this was 100% predictable, why then was nothing done about it?
We all knew he was a dead man walking outside or inside so surely they must have known it too.
I’m just not getting nor believing any of these budget cuts, overtime, or the bs camera malfunctions.
If we knew it, they surely knew it too.
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It is disturbing that a powerful billionaire accused of sex trafficking minors, who was already on suicide watch, has died while in federal custody, his many secrets about other powerful men going with him to the grave. This sounds like something that would happen in Russia, no?
Billionaire pedophile Epstein died, and this celebrity "journalist" immediately blames Russia, without a scintilla of evidence
In the new cold war TV "journos" blame foreign bogeymen for anything and don't need a shred of proof, because facts don't matterhttps://t.co/CsmAjBkI8A
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Hear me out! It would be JUST LIKE ALIENS! You know, framing completely innocent humans for multilevel blackmail schemes involving secret alien hybrids! I mean, nobody would believe that suicides linked to a powerful human would be actually coincidence, and thus they'd naturally suspect the most good and pure among them, ensuring that when the Trump Doppleganger clone finishes the preparations for selling us all into the intergalactic slave market they wouldn't resist, instead believing that their best chance was actually evil!
Replace Jesus and Israel for the pertinent bits, and you'll have something close to what the conspiracy theory we're supposed to be believing in is... I think.
It is disturbing that a powerful billionaire accused of sex trafficking minors, who was already on suicide watch, has died while in federal custody, his many secrets about other powerful men going with him to the grave. This sounds like something that would happen in Russia, no?
Billionaire pedophile Epstein died, and this celebrity "journalist" immediately blames Russia, without a scintilla of evidence
In the new cold war TV "journos" blame foreign bogeymen for anything and don't need a shred of proof, because facts don't matterhttps://t.co/CsmAjBkI8A
The aliens are just framing the Russians right to take the blame on this? Yeah, I have long thought that little grey aliens were laughing their little grey butts off at the foolishness of humans.
Hear me out! It would be JUST LIKE ALIENS! You know, framing completely innocent humans for multilevel blackmail schemes involving secret alien hybrids! I mean, nobody would believe that suicides linked to a powerful human would be actually coincidence, and thus they'd naturally suspect the most good and pure among them, ensuring that when the Trump Doppleganger clone finishes the preparations for selling us all into the intergalactic slave market they wouldn't resist, instead believing that their best chance was actually evil!
Replace Jesus and Israel for the pertinent bits, and you'll have something close to what the conspiracy theory we're supposed to be believing in is... I think.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
It is disturbing that a powerful billionaire accused of sex trafficking minors, who was already on suicide watch, has died while in federal custody, his many secrets about other powerful men going with him to the grave. This sounds like something that would happen in Russia, no?
Billionaire pedophile Epstein died, and this celebrity "journalist" immediately blames Russia, without a scintilla of evidence
In the new cold war TV "journos" blame foreign bogeymen for anything and don't need a shred of proof, because facts don't matterhttps://t.co/CsmAjBkI8A
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According to state media, it's a suicide.
And there were never any photographs of Epstein with anybody and anybody who says differently is a lying conspiracy theorist.
Gotta get that in before the Media does. I'm calling dibs on it, and they owe me a Nickel every time they say it. I expect to be rich.
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one sentence "essay"
Now you see why I had to post this one sentence "essay".
With the likes of gjohnsit, snoopydawg, joe shikspack etc. around here, one doesn't get the opportunity to "scoop" c99 very often!
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Appropriate of your Oz song, may I offer another?
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That didn't take long.
Is anyone surprised?
I was thinking about the value of an intelligence operation like this in the dawning age of DeepFake technology. On one hand, why go to the problem of securing girls, transporting them across national borders, setting up marks for dodgy sex, just to produce a film or video to be used for blackmail? Now you can just pay a technician to operate a workstation for a couple of hours and produce anything you can imagine, starring your mark. On the other hand, eventually the value of such evidence in court will be zero. The mark can just claim "DeepFake" and get off. The most you can get for your trouble is some bad publicity.
The question I've been pondering is not "why?", but "why now?". Maybe the intelligence agencies want to make use of whatever is in Epstein's safe while it still has some value, and they're shutting down the operation and cleaning up loose ends.
You, Mr. Epstein, were a loose end.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
I imagine that The Cleaners have been busy
Any remaining loose ends will just be ignored in future "reporting."
Where's Ghislaine? n/t
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
See this comment by davidmillsatty
https://caucus99percent.com/comment/435693#comment-435693
Sounds plausible to me, even though I find her more repulsive than Epstein.
Russia had him killed to protect Trump
Somebody needs to lose their job over this...or confess they were paid by the Russian mafia to protect Trump
Of course they say this with a straight face and it gets lots of recs, but if anyone blames the Clintons for it?
In the real world, sure. But not in the world of QAnon… watch, they’ll blame her, Obama, Pelosi, and maybe AOC for it by next week. Sick bastards.
lol...that site has been nothing but a conspiracy theory since Her lost the election.
Don’t spout conspiracy theories. I just read a whole bag of them from RWNJ, and as a big surprise, they all pointed the fingers to the Clintons. (*groan*)
As detroit mentioned in the other Epstein essay here, you are constantly watched while on suicide watch and put in cells that remove the possibility of a hanging so how the hell did he do that?
This was the first thing I read this morning and I just laughed because I had written mere hours before that the chances of him making it to trial was slim. Of course he killed himself.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Are we at "Can't speak Ill of the Dead" yet over there?
Have they decided that because he was such a staunch supporter of Israel any further investigation is clearly anti-semitic in nature?
I'm willing to lay money on that one coming out.
Funny how fast "RWNJ"'s have a complete conspiracy theory all set up and ready to go! Actually they didn't. They just have a term for how this always just mysteriously seems to happen for the Clinton's Benefit. They Call it Arkancide... Symptoms include being a political enemy or "traitor" to the Clintons. So, every time something happens that fits the pattern... It's of course a conspiracy theory to mention that it happened.
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I too am waiting for
Epstein's critics to be called anti-Semitic.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I prefer the Bette Davis version
"They say you should only speak good of the dead. (s)He's dead. Good."
They say that there's a broken light for every heart on Broadway
They say that life's a game and then they take the board away
They give you masks and costumes and an outline of the story
And leave you all to improvise their vicious cabaret-- A. Moore
What was the headline yesterday pertaining to Epstein?
Breaking news?
Wasn't it the announcement of the BIG NAMES revealed in the investigation?
Yep
see my essay below today's open thread
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Russian bots are trolling the Clintons
I wonder if the Russian trolls are spreading the story Congress should look into that as well as Facebook
Before Russia Gate's pysops happened the minute people heard that Epstein was dead they would either blame the Clintons for it because of how many times Bill flew on the plane (25-26) or if it never happened they would be blaming Trump because of all the pictures of him and Epstein even though there are just as many of the Clintons with him. But now it's Barr too because he didn't recuse himself even thought there are lots of ties to his father and Epstein and Barr's law firm.....
Good lord. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Yesterday it Twittler was abuzz with the Russians spreading racism. Lol like that hasn't been a problem in this country long before Russia came into existence.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Will congress pay for my plane trip?
Because as long as there's a steady paycheck and immunity involved, I'll tell them whatever they want to hear about how Vlad, Oh sorry, that's just our little personal thing, President Putin... ahem, paid me personally to suggest that the paragon of virtue and goodness, her royal worshipfulness, and the sole hope of humanities future... might possibly have said something along the lines of...
"Will no one rid me of this foul pimp?"
Or something to that effect.
And random music because they seem to love their conspiracies, and this one might cause them to crap their pants a little if they think about the implications.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWz0qVvBZ0]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
russia came into existence
Umm, Russia's about 900 years older than this country (USA) is.....
Or did you mean before RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA!!!11!!!! came into existence? That's different, of course!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Remember that not all those people on Twitter
are people.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-soci...
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
man.
what a world.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Oh, I get it now!
When they placed him on suicide watch they meant they were going to watch him “suicide”. Yeah...that’s the ticket!
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Media putting out conflicting stories about Epstein's death
Just a week ago Epstein was either attacked in his cell which he claimed or he attempted to harm himself. I thought I had read that his lawyers were upset that he hadn't been in protective segregation before because of how high profile he was and that they were insisting on it now.
Lots of high profile people were given immunity in 2006 when the first deal was made and the files released yesterday were from a case that has been settled so this might mean the end of any consequences for the people who were named who were probably sweating bullets yesterday when the files were release and breathing a sigh of relief this morning and thanking the Dawg above.
I am very proud of the people here who were more concerned about the victims of Epstein and his pals then they were of scoring points and tying it more to Clinton or Trump. Enough people knew what he and his pals had done and yet they said nothing about it. Trump was the only one who did talk to the authorities about this way back when. Others pulled a Sgt. Schultz.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Epstein's activities were not a Democratic
or Republican problem.
They were an oligarch problem.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
oligarch problem
Which is why Jeffrey Epstein is now dead. And it's why I have no doubt whatsoever that he really is, in fact, dead.
His death is far too convenient for far too many of the PTB for it not to be true.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Colonel Mustard
with a candlestick in the ballroom.
Obvious really.
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I feel just sick over this!
They always manage to get away with it, don’t they?
I look at this this way:
This make extradition to the US significantly more difficult for political prisoners.
My dog is upside down because I know Assange will be murdered if he is extradited to the US. Perhaps the rest of the world will begin to act accordingly with respect to their extradition treaties.
That would be making a silk purse from a pigs ear
wouldn’t it?
But I doubt it’s likely to deter them in the least.
They win.
They always damn well win.
This ends the criminal case against Epstein
Worth a full read
No sh*t Sherlock. The timing is too sweet to there not be lots of CTs about it. Another one is will there be any proof that Epstein is really dead? How's that for a CT?
Yes in the end THEY always win.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Yep, time to move along to the next story...
Nothing to see here...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnX5wci404]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Those too are already making the rounds
Maybe he was sprung?
Although I don’t really know why anyone would want that unless of course a bargain was made and there was an ‘insurance file’?
And some think that shot of the gurney also looks a little too short.
A Friend of Mine Believes He's in "Witness Protection".
Q follower, ex navy guy.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Is Q back yet?
If so, where? I haven't checked 8chan in a week or so.
Last Q post 8/1/19
Interesting that I can't re-post these two most recent Q quotes
So I deleted the Q posts and Voila! next comment posts
Hey, JtC, what's going on here? Anti-Q bias? Software glitch--kinda like 8 chan going down?
3rd try to post Q
Foiled again.
I can't link to imagur either
I can copy it, and paste it, but nada in the preview test. Maybe I should paste it into the link button, unlike other links you can just paste in the comment text box?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I chocked it up to not using the image upload feature, even though it's an actual link. Even on my desktop, uploading images is painfully slow to the point of my thinking everything locked up (crashed), so I just link. And not the actual upload speed, but the upload function "button", and the "browse" button to actually execute. Kudos to those who are so patient to upload images!
Nose curvature doesn’t look the same either
Maybe we can compare some more shots.
If he is in witness protection program, how would we ever know?
Would he reappear to testify? How does this work?
What doesn’t make sense if that after being found ‘unconscious and in the fetal position’ that he wasn’t placed on suicidal watch, unless of course it never was that as he supposedly claimed.
After last nights trove of released docs, naming names, this actually makes more sense.
If someone cared about the risk to his life or should I say testimony.
Out of curiosity, I’ve checked Q too, but nothing since Chan’s went down.
Do you believe in Coincidence?
The Picture I Saw Yesterday Looked Different. The Announcement
of the document dump? Looked weird, but I didn't put too much thought into it.
And I'm NOT saying he's in WP, but it is interesting. It's a bit more likely than him being taken off suicide watch then accidentally ignored while there was a camera malfunction.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
I’m thinking more likely
He copted a deal.
If so, we will never know and he’s not ever coming back.
CT’s of course, but that’s what ‘they’ left us with after proclaiming the defendant dead.
According to DOJ protocol, suicide-prone inmates
are supposed to be under direct observation by either prison personnel or a delegated inmate:
DOJ suicide prevention programs
I posted excerpts today in my latest foray into the swamp:
https://caucus99percent.com/content/jeffrey-epstein-exits-stage-left
It's not just the ear.
Look at the nose; completely different.
And once again, a logical hypothesis
becomes a "conspiracy theory."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Don't forget Ghislaine. She's always been the one
who's been running things while hiding in plain sight behind Epstein. She received immunity as a witness, but could still be charged if the plea deal was found to be improper or she lied under oath. Bet she did. The question is now, will the Feds even go there? Bet they won't.
I think she is protected
by the same powers that protected Epstein during the first trial. 40 under aged girls accused them of making them perform for their high up friends and Epstein was only charged for prostitution with a 17 year old girl while Ghislaine got off with no charges.
The files that were just released are from 2015 when Ghislaine and Virginia Guiffre settled the case between them. There are more than one investigations into the plea deal IIRC. The federal one that will look at what Acosta did and one in Florida. I think SDNY is involved in one too and it will be interesting to see if any of them go forward now that he's dead. I just find the timing a bit too convenient. First off why was he arrested out of the blue a few months ago? He had to know that everything was being looked at again and yet he just flies back into the country without a care in the world? Then we hear about the sealed files being released after being told a few weeks ago that they wouldn't be? Strange.. and today he's dead. I literally LOL this morning when I saw this. I just said, "of course he is."
Oh well. Webb's next report comes out next week and she has ties to Clinton in it. I'll post it when it does.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
The fact they arranged his "suicide" inside and that
she still hasn't even been arrested tells me, too, that the same people are still running things. No matter how powerful they are, this killing is extremely high risk behavior, and they might not be able to continue to keep the whole operation under wraps. It could still blow up in their faces. Ghislaine may be a protected long-term operative, but her usefulness is over. Odds are, she's also facing termination.
Very powerful people are running things
I have no doubt about that. There has long been talk about child sex trafficking, but it really flared up during the last election, but it was tied to Hillary and called PedoGate. Then lots of celebrities committed suicide out of the blue by hanging themselves with something tied to doorknobs. The chef was one of them. Anthony Bourdain?
See the links I posted below and they pretty much agree with what you said. I just read them and I really don't know what to think. But after the Haiti earthquake a woman tried to remove 30 children who she said were orphans, but many were not. She was arrested and the Clintons got her an attorney. This was in 2010.
This crap has been going on for decades. I've posted Whitney Webb's essays if you're interested in seeing what she has written. Ghislaine might really be in Israel right now. I've seen this on more than this site.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I've read Whitney. She's a good writer and
a good researcher. She's facing the same limitations in the public record all of us are. I wonder what an experienced reporter at the NYT or WSJ might be able to turn up if the editors weren't taking a "I don't want to go there and really don't want to know" attitude toward this story. By virtually ignoring it for so long, if they actually dug anything up now, it would only make their previous inactivity more obvious. Everybody, including the FBI, has the same incentive to just continue to pretend there's nothing else to see.
Plus, the Feds obviously haven't been completely ignorant of this, but have a stake in protecting their own information gathering operations that have been watching the other watchers, domestic and foreign, for decades. This is one of the largest and most "productive" cooperative international, interagency surveillance and entrapment operations ever.
Nobody wants to be responsible for finally shutting it down and mopping up the mess left behind. That cleanup is just starting and it will be a huge job that nobody is really prepared to carry out. Very messy, and a sure career killer for anyone who touches it.
Get the stern of the Lady Ghislaine ready for her
'cause she's gonna practice her first and last high dive that her papa did, courtesy of the Mossad coaches he had on board.
Yes, espionage is a family business, and it would
not surprise me one bit if Ghislaine Maxwell meets a similar fate at the same hands as her late father. If you threaten to expose your handlers, even reluctantly, even after many decades of providing valuable service, operational security trumps loyalty. Everyone is expendible, even the Former Prime Minister and Army Chief of Staff, Ehud Barak, who was tied up in this.
Surprising, really, that Barak would get anywhere near Epstein and Maxwell, particularly in recent years. Barak had even gone into business with Epstein, and was photographed leaving his Manhattan townhouse last winter.
Like a lot of people, the former PM treated Epstein as if he was fully protected and untouchable by U.S. authorities. That may have been Epstein's undoing.
The Epstein-Barak relationship is very strange, but Israeli politics, business and intelligence often operates together at cross purposes as if it is outside the reach of any external accountability.
Dupe. Self delete
At least know your enemy.
Your enemy is the thoroughly corrupt US government.
The people have surrendered their power to the State long ago. The State can only be challenged by a coalition of other States. The way that people rescue themselves is by immigration. Just the way you got here. Sensible and sensitive people are leaving. There is always a way to do this, with and without assets, if you truly object to living in a pig's ear.
Only one thing that matters is true. It will be a pig's ear and then an economic disaster for a very long time to come. No one should want to live through that. Run as fast as you can.
Please don't denigrate Pigs
They don't pretend to be anything except what they are. Here is a picture of one of Alligator University's resident pig consultant, sparing his life because he spews useful information from either end.
You got a nice pig there, 'Gator.
Cute ears.
This is the kind of thing
that used to keep witches who were willing to deal in curses and poisons in funds.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
One of his sex slaves
Helped hoist him on his own petard.
Perhaps he was suicided
To prevent the deep creeps from having their dirty laundry exposed?
Soon as he was jailed, it was pretty obvious he would not be allowed to testify.
Like Julian, the truth is no more acceptable than the facts.
Welcome to the fascist criminal enterprise system.
Brush up against a biggie and your future is gone.
Pheew. Stinks.
question everything
NBC is reporting that
Epstein was not on suicide watch and that he was alone in his cell. No cell mate. Interesting.
Hmmm...I would like to see the protocol for that jail. I am sure it is policy to put a person who had attempted suicide previously under suicide watch. Unless that previous suicide attemptwas not a suicide attempt.
He was being protected from other prisoners. Like, that was the jail's real concern.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Oh, sorry, didn't get the memo from the Ministry...
Clearly he was not on suicide watch because he was not suicidal and the previous suicide attempt was a murder attempt by a Trump supporter trying to prevent the cover up...
I just find it funny that a lot of people on all sides of the aisle are very happy at this turn of events, because it will soon come out that all the allegations were all the fault of an UNJUSTLY persecuted donor who we need to respect and honor... (IOW, they'll whitewash what they can't sweep under the rug, and all his money will stay exactly where it is.)
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I know that I have no proof that he was murdered.
I'm not claiming it's an established fact. But I suppose he was, and my supposition is not without logical foundation. Could it be wrong? Yeah. But I'd have to see the evidence of that.
As with 9/11, the tell will be how the establishment responds to this event. If it's a simple suicide, then information will come out about his activities post-mortem, if not in court, then in the press. If it's a murder to cover up others' involvement, there will likely be little or nothing released and we will be moved along to other things.
As for "a Trump supporter," I have no idea "which side" took out a hit on him. It could have been done by any regular passenger on his jet. They were all wealthy and powerful, yes? Epstein didn't seem like the kind of guy to slum it by bringing 99%-ers on the Lolita Express.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Sorry, forgot my snark tag.
Honestly, I have no idea which rich scumbag wanted to keep his face off the news.
I of course suspect the usual suspects, because when all the cookies are missing you look at the fat kid with the cookie stained t-shirt.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
NY Post reported he was on suicide watch
Link: https://nypost.com/2019/07/25/jeffrey-epstein-on-suicide-watch-after-hes...
Of course, this was before he killed himself.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Media is reporting it as suicide
at the same time the FBI is saying "apparent suicide".
At any rate, the value of all that blackmail evidence he had to save his hide turned out to have zero value.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Worst part of all is that if the stuff is released...
They'll claim Deepfake and prosecute anybody who displays knowledge of it because it's child pornography.
We're faced with the horrible situation of the evidence being a crime to possess or see.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
There is that little problem...
On the other hand, failing to disclose evidence because it is child porn is an admission that it is child porn.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
This sounds like a job for Robert Mueller
He 'helped' with all those investigations over the years.
Just stretch it out until it falls down the memory hole.
ROTFLMAO!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Save his hide?
I figured it was for Mossad and our spooks. Dirty Deep State. I saw him as an informant, and when he got busted the first time, those orgs protected him. But because of those loud mouth Bs (that's snark for victims) who just wouldn't shut up about it and pestered someone in NY enough that they finally decided to file charges there, he had to be taken out. I just don't think he was smart enough to blackmail that many people that high up by himself. I could be wrong, though.
He had employers.
My point was that if, for example, Mossad had paid for him to engage in the blackmail scheme, he could have used that against them. What other security did he have for all these years?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Epstein was
in far less of a credible blackmail position when he was taken behind bars. A few phone calls by the would-be blackmailees, and the blackmail problem is solved. Possibly this happened here, who knows.
Esquire is reporting that a few days before his death he was taken off suicide watch. Which makes his sudden demise even more curious.
Convenient timing of taking him off suicide watch
But never fear, Barr is having the IG look into it.
Good lawd!
I read elsewhere of people not believing that he's really dead; so someone posted pics of him being wheeled into the hospital. Do people's hands and lower arms turn jaundice yellow after death by hanging? The apparent bruising or dark areas at left temple region and left ear could be explained away, I suppose, but yellow hands and arms, in complete contrast to color of stomach and face seems odd to me.
In case anyone else is interested, here are the 2 images originally published by the New York Post. I can't post a link to imagur on this site that works for some reason so here's a link to the reddit thread I found them on. Click the imagur link to zoom in. I couldn't zoom on the nypost link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anoneumou5e/comments/coizj0/comment/ewih0ng
Gee how convenient that someone got such a clear shot
of his head and especially the earlobe where he has an interesting ear thingy.
Why would this picture have been allowed to be taken and released? Almost like someone is working hard to make sure people think he's really dead.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Indeed, snoopy! Convenient
Also, I stumbled across a Twitter feed where ppl were saying that the head is a whole lot larger than the heads of the medics and the unmarked guard guy.
Others think it's not him, but a lookalike actor because his eyes are closed and hands in the position they're in. I just wonder why the hands are yellow.
Lots of people not believing it's even him, let alone that he's really dead.
Has Q resurfaced since 8chan was censored? I'd be curious to know what he has to say about all of this.
They’ve got themselves in a bit of a pickle
because they had to say that in order to explain how he was able to commit suicide.
But...now he’s suicidal, now he’s not?
Can’t have it both ways.
Sounds like they are trying to pull rabbits out of a hat.
Now you see it, now you don’t.
He was taken off suicide watch shortly before
he
was murderedkilled himself.If you believe NBC, then I have prime land to sell you
It has exclusive bathing beaches and basks in warm weather year round. You might find the other tenants to be a bit testy at times, however.
NBC correctly reported
Epstein was not on suicide watch.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
(No subject)
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Timing
Back when Epstein was arrested, I wondered why NOW? I know the Miami Herald was investigating the case for some time, victims were pursing justice in civil court, and the "me too" movement was now on the radar, but.....I've learned over time that in politics, one can't always trust their own eyes.
Perfectly predictable, totally predicted
Too many Very Important asses hanging out, all of them with connections to entities that have been known to "take care of problems" for them.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Remember the DC Madame?
Didn't she commit suicide too and her little black book was never found? Oh yeah the VIA will protect themselves at all costs.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Supposedly killed herself while looking at a prison sentence of
a few years. Doesn't make sense.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Jeane_Palfrey
Heidi Fleiss is still alive and well and, apparently, taking care of birds.
That was when I knew things
had gotten really bad.
Watch out when they go after jesters and madams.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Acronymic obscurity, snoop
Please explain your obscure reference. I concocted an opinion as to what this means. Do you concur?
VIA = Very Important Assholes
Or did you mean any of the following
Vehicle Internal Architecture
Vicenza Institute of Architecture (very close to my daughter's swamp in FL.)
Valencia Industrial Association
Versatile Integrated Avionics
Visual Immunoassay
or any of the dozen + other listed recognized acronyms.
Every poster should be cognizant that their favored acronyms are neither universally beloved or even recognized by many readers. The first time an acronym is used, outside of the widely understood ones, should be explained in full before assigning an acronym to them. I do not upvote any essay or comment which uses arcane, obscure, or indefinite acronyms. Your comment gets the same from me--no approval. Reveal your meaning and I might reconsider.
I was repeating what the TOM said
The Other Maven wrote Very Important Asses
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Thank you for your explanation
but the explanation merely deflects from your usage of VIA to an unacronymized phrase by The Other Maven. So, no upvote yet.
I keep coming back to your post several times to reread.
Just to make sure that I am reading it and understanding it in the right way.
And as there have been so many recs, I’m hesitant to respond because perhaps it’s me that’s not quite getting it. That I’m willing to concede..
But here’s my quandary.
If it was so blatantly obvious to everyone, that even cartoons were made of it beforehand and this was 100% predictable, why then was nothing done about it?
We all knew he was a dead man walking outside or inside so surely they must have known it too.
I’m just not getting nor believing any of these budget cuts, overtime, or the bs camera malfunctions.
If we knew it, they surely knew it too.
quandary
Because it's in the interests of a whole lot of really uber-rich and hyper-powerful people that Jeffrey Epstein be stone dead.
Either he was left with the means to kill himself and did so, or he was murdered. But you can rely on his being dead, unless someone provides direct, good-quality evidence to the contrary.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
And now we hear from the idiot section of Twitter
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Ok, since everybody's jumping to conclusions...
what if it was Aliens?
Hear me out! It would be JUST LIKE ALIENS! You know, framing completely innocent humans for multilevel blackmail schemes involving secret alien hybrids! I mean, nobody would believe that suicides linked to a powerful human would be actually coincidence, and thus they'd naturally suspect the most good and pure among them, ensuring that when the Trump Doppleganger clone finishes the preparations for selling us all into the intergalactic slave market they wouldn't resist, instead believing that their best chance was actually evil!
Replace Jesus and Israel for the pertinent bits, and you'll have something close to what the conspiracy theory we're supposed to be believing in is... I think.
/snark
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbnrdCS57d0]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Oh I see what you're getting at here
The aliens are just framing the Russians right to take the blame on this? Yeah, I have long thought that little grey aliens were laughing their little grey butts off at the foolishness of humans.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Um, this sounds like something that DID happen in
the US. And more than once.
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