Bernie to skip Markos' party
Bernie has decided not to willingly walk into a trap.
Remember that Bernie was willing to do a town hall on Fox. That gives you an idea of just how biased the moderator is at Netroots.
Before confirming his attendance at this weekend’s Netroots Nation conference in Philadelphia, members of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) team raised concerns about one of the moderators who would be asking questions at a presidential candidate forum on Saturday, according to two sources who described the conversations to The Daily Beast.
The campaign’s questions centered on Markos Moulitsas, the founder and publisher of the progressive activist website Daily Kos, who has been publicly critical of the Independent from Vermont.
“We discussed the moderators after we announced,” Netroots spokesperson Mary Rickles said of conversations with his team. “There was a question about why we chose who we chose. I told them that both Markos and Cheryl have every intention of being unbiased moderators.”
Markos banned dozens of Bernie supporters in 2016, and has waged a media war against him since 2015.
Bernie Sanders goes on Fox, but he’s afraid of ME? Sheesh. https://t.co/AejzGf60jd via @thedailybeast
— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) July 11, 2019
“I think his moment is passing.”
- Markos Moulitsas.
Let's recall this gem from Markos.
"I don't see a lot of lasting energy for Bernie," Markos Moulitsas, the founder and publisher of Daily Kos, a popular liberal website, told the Globe. "It's different from last time when he was the alternative to an unfortunately flawed front-runner, and there were just two of them. Right now, the mantle of 'progressive' can be carried by any number of candidates and potential candidates," including fellow Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — three outspoken liberal leaders who have embraced Sanders' call for "Medicare for All" and a $15 minimum wage, among other policy proposals that helped establish the Vermont independent as a national figurehead for socialist ideas. As the 2020 race begins, Moulitsas told the Globe, "people have mostly moved on" from Sanders.
Markos is a hack that can't be trusted.
Update: The Washington Times take
Sen. Elizabeth Warren is the only top-tier Democratic presidential candidate attending the gathering of liberal activists at this year’s Netroots Nation convention, as most of the radical leftists in the race scramble to avoid an event notorious for brazen hecklers and demonstrators....
Still, the absence of Mr. Sanders and Mr. de Blasio raises questions about the candidates’ connections to the liberal base and how much sway the activists have in the Democratic Party.
...Of the two dozen candidates in the 2020 Democratic race, three will join Ms. Warren for the presidential forum Saturday: Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and Washington Gov. Jay Inslee. All three are near the bottom of polls and have little to lose from a dust-up at Netroots Nation.
The WashTimes almost get's it right.
I'll correct it for them: the absence of Mr. Sanders and Mr. de Blasio raises questions about the convention's connections to the progressive base and how much sway the activists have in the Democratic Party.
Comments
“the progressive activist website Daily Kos”
Is that anything like the anti-war environmentalist Trump?
And,
“Right now, the mantle of 'progressive' can be carried by any number of candidates and potential candidates," including fellow Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)”. HA HA HA! Booker and Harris progressive!
The common meaning of ‘progressive’ is sufficiently squishy that Warren might squeak in, but, as she has directly stated, she’s no socialist.
Interesting how the media, and Moulitsas, like to make every day opposite day.
The media and the Dems have become very Frank Luntz
That way.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Dkos still doesn't get it
Their takeaway is that this is bad for Bernie (thus proving Sanders' suspicion).
In fact Netroots that can't pull in leading candidates because of obvious bias hurts Netroots MUCH more than Bernie.
BTW, what do you think are the chances that Tulsi wasn't invited?
About this addendum..
Every diary has that disclaimer in it underneath the title and one at the bottom. You don't have a choice whether it's included or not. Want to know the history of it? Of course you do.
A website kinda like NewsGuard checks every leftist website to see if what is written on it is true or false. This website guardian told kos that his site didn't pass the mustard because lots of things on it didn't pass the smell test. So kos made a deal with them to get their approval and lo and behold he put that on his site. Good thing too because I see flat out lies on it in almost every diary that has something to do with Russia Russia Russia Russia....
People can get away with saying that Russia changed people's votes. Not only hacked Vermont's energy grid, but also turned off the power.
A recent one was about Isakoff's new Breaking News!! Russia promoted the story about Seth Rich's death because he stole the DNC files. The amount of lies and half truths in it was staggering.
So there you have it. You can lie to people as long as you have that disclaimer and still be considered a trustworthy website.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
"the progressive website Daily Kos"
Or "the delicate, savory aroma of Surströmming"!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
It was funny --
How Markos tolerated the likes of me, who was politically an ecosocialist with the Green Party, for nine and a half years before issuing his March 2016 edict that anyone who participated in his blog was going to get behind Clinton, who stood for nothing but money and who would say anything to please anyone. Markos' ridiculous presumption was that "constructive criticism" of such a pointless human being or of her vacuous voter base was possible.
All I can say at this point is that I am grateful to live in a universe in which Clinton did not win. It is easy to imagine an alternate universe in which it was still forbidden to criticize the President's inaction on climate change, as indeed it was under Obama, because "omigod the Republicans are worse." With Trump we at least have a President which the liberals feel that it is permitted to despise.
Markos post-March 2016, on the other hand -- what comes to mind is "Order 66" in Star Wars Episode III.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
Sorry, I somehow combined a reply to you
with a reply to Wendy.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
my stars, i'd forgotten
what a rubbery little visage he has. is anatomy destiny?/s seriously, some faces show acquired ugliness, although that formula is in the eye/mind of the beholder.
He somehow manages to combine the leer of a bully
with the shit-eating grin of a sycophant. How can anyone, anywhere, stand him?
My feelings exactly. Trump's blessed fumbling and indecision have bought us a little time, but we need a true non-Clintonite to put us back onto a viable track.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
glad you crossed your reply,
amiga. bernie's not my cuppa, but i will say that glen ford of black agenda report seems to have endorsed him. his latest such. now that firebrand editor bruce dixon has crossed over, i wonder if the place will get...more mild-mannered. ; )
"....an unfortunately flawed front-runner,..."
Now he tells us. Thanks Markie.
What a ridiculous hack he is.
And Netroots Nation is sooooo Naughties.... We're well past those particular gates.
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I noticed that, also.
Remember when she could do no wrong, as far as Markie was concerned?
Mary Bennett
Actually it was "us" who were flawed as an electorate
HER, as I was often told often enough by the inmates at that insane asylum, was merely being tactical to win an election, so she could then be in a position to help us. But we were to politically naive, or too rigid in our purist ways to see that.
Is how I remember the TOP angle about her undesirabilities, Markos forked tongue notwithstanding.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Obama really messed it up for any other person who runs
After his hope and change became hopeless and no change people knew that people running for office would say anything just to win, but once in office the bets are off. But people have wised up and now they look at people's history instead of just taking their word for what they promise. We can look at Kambama's history of her tenure as attorney general. She ran against a progressive AG and promised to be more so than he was only to go back on her word once she won. Kissed up to the police. Mnunchin only had to donate to her campaign to get away with foreclosing on many Californians and so on.
Warren's history is plain to see. Other than yelling at the banks what has she accomplished?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
If he'd written that in june 2016, he'd have had to
bojo himself.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Lol
How true!
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Maybe we should do that for him
A little skull and cross bones by his name.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I like the way
MM keeps his hair cut real short and dresses appropriately in jacket and tie for his MSM appearances. No Berkeley '60s Hippie he. Good to go on corporate media. They like their lefties cleaned up and not really lefty and ready to toe the establishment line.
Also charming is his use of quaint, inoffensive terms like "sheesh". Signaling the censors everywhere in the MSM that they need never worry. He probably uses "golly" and "gee whiz" a lot too ...
Gosh darn it
He kind of reminds me of a cross between Peewee Herman and Gilbert Gottfried. He's just as annoying as both of them put together too.
Is it great yet?
Exactly
I knew he reminded me of someone.
I got a Dagwood Bumstead hit
The little nebbish should be flattered.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Just as Well
the BLM gals would prob. ambush him again and call him a racist.
I have a copy of "Kissing A$$e$" or ... Crashing
something ?? whatever.
I keep to remind myself of the various kinds of sniveling, grovelling sell out fuck$ a busy person can get waylaid by.
I used to open to my comments, so I could see what had been responded to & check out the responses & ...
those most recent 50 comments would be from a week or 2 ... and somewhere during 0-Bummer that last 50 started to be the last 3 months ... then the last 6 months -
I went there a month or so ago to see what was happening WTO some fight over ... I forget. It is like hte NYT - all the thoughts that are fit to think.
Finally - By Precinct, how many votes do dKos scribblers ACTUALLY affect?
ha ha ha.
whatever kos.
But then I sigh; and, with a piece of scripture,
Tell them that God bids us do good for evil:
And thus I clothe my naked villany
With old odd ends stolen out of holy writ;
lol, I bought & read his stupid book too.
The one thing I learned from that place was to zip my wallet. Remember the money thermometer on the side of the page?
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Can it still be called Netroots
when it has so many corporate backers and is tied to the DP? No I don't think it can. Pforria 8 (sp) took Markos and the diarist to task because they left out that Bernie had something else scheduled for this weekend, but he is trying to redo his schedule. But Nina Turner is going to represent Bernie if he can't.
The twitter thread is fun to read if anyone has a mind to. Lots of digs at his blog. "Most progressive website" my tush. Lots of people there love to admit that they are centrists and proud of it. And people are bad when they don't get out and vote . Democrats losing is always the fault of the voters. No pressure at all on the DP to give their base something to vote for.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Would that be pfiore8? n/t
Yes and thank you for the correction
Names ain't my specialty so appreciate you providing the correct spelling. Shim has been pushing back on lots of inaccuracies over there, but the one today was a doozy. I've pm's hir and invited to come by here to read and comment so hopefully he/she will soon.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
p8 spends her time on Facebook.
She frequents c99s FB page, lurks here once in a while perhaps, and has commented here once or twice. She is distant friends with MeteorBlades on FB. How much time she spends on dkos, I don't know. I rarely, rarely go there.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Hillbots only?
That article ridiculously buries the lead, waiting until the last para to let us know that:
So basically only candidates in the Clinton fundraising orbit are attending (plus wannabes).
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Panel discussions at NNWhatever:
Putin, Sanders and Medicare-for-All
Nothingburger: Epstein and the Clintons
Diversity: Why Policy Doesn't Matter Anymore
The Progressive Case for Perpetual War
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
I can't tell if this is snark
Everything looks like an Onion article since 2016
Nina Turner replied to kos
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
A Nina Turner - Moosetits match up
The little twerp wouldn't last five minutes....
I'd pay money to watch that.
(Edited)
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Well now isn't this interesting?
This looks small on my iPad
List rentals? The email list? Never mind my question below.
Hmm..so why do so many diaries ask if "can you donate $1 today so we can elect more and better democrats"? Seems that he gets enough money from the DCCC and who knows from what other democratic organizations?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Simply
Well there you go
No wonder kos doesn't like Bernie. Don't most rich people vote for republicans because they don't like paying taxes? Bernie is offering to make the country better with his health care and student loan ideas, but kos doesn't want that to happen because he will lose his ticket to grifting.
Mind if I drop this here?
The twitter thread is a great read because she explains what Nancy is saying here. But does she really think that Trump can be shamed into treating immigrants better? But I've been wondering why the religious right hasn't been totally ticked off by what is happening to children.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Meanwhile, MFA
'Cuz those kids are already born,
They don't count.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Pretty thorough take-down of
of Markos' attacks on Sanders when he appeared with Chuck Todd: [video:https://youtu.be/ZrvDn_r6KF0]
The Sixth Mass Extinction is occurring now, in our time. The situation is dire. We must act to avert the worst of what is to come, and it may already be too late.
"15 years ago it might have been relevant.."
No one on the left reads DK..., no kidding. The left either left or got kicked off his site because his candidate couldn't stand the sunlight on her heinous career. Saying that Hillary helped destroy Libya is not right wing talking points! The site is full of self avowed centrists. They're proud of it.
Maybe the reason Bernie's campaign is the same this time because none of the problems he talked about have been fixed yet. Duh!
Bernie's divisive because he is against the things democrats are for. Bat shit crazy indeed.. Great video.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Markos' job is to punch left. He's a neoliberal asshole.
Fuck Chuck "shit-for-brains" Todd for conflating neo-liberals and actual liberals.
Great video. Thanks.
Why should Bernie even want to go there?
Bernie certainly does not need to kiss Markos' ring and he does not need Netroots to expand his campaign. Going there is simply a waste of time IMHO. Besides, Markos is no longer relevant.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
^This^
The guy is drowning in a sea of his own arrogance.
Why should Bernie throw him a credibility preserver?
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
For the roses?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=moulitsas+roses+pelosi
It's been a good year for the roses.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
I wouldn't say he's afraid of
I wouldn't say he's afraid of Markos, more like, disgusted.
In life, as in dance, grace glides on blistered feet. ~Alice Abrams
Remember this?
From 2015, it was at a Netroots convention that Sanders' speech was sabotaged by people who rushed the stage, some connected to Black Lives Matter. At the time it appeared to me that it was a setup, seemingly coordinated with the "Bernie Bros" campaign using Marcotte and others as point people to redefine Sanders as simply an old white male. At about the same time there was another incident in Seattle where two black women (who had "joined" Black Lives Matter that day by setting up a competing website for another BLM website in Seattle) rushed onto the stage of a rally for Social Security where Sanders was speaking. These two harangued the crowd and prevented Sanders from speaking.
As much money as Moulitsas directs towards the DNC I would not doubt that he is in some way on the receiving end of a cash stream too.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/us/protesters-confront-candidates-on-...
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9001639/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-pr...
Sounds right to me.
it took me about 12 years or so to read stories that Kos was getting paid to do "consultant work". I joined TOP in 2005 and naive I was. I expect no different now give the irrationally attacks on Bernie by Kos.
Afer I saw how BLM confronted Hillary NH, I knew what happened in Seattle was a total setup. The Seattle disruption was close to a physical assault while Hillary had BLM protesters act like well trained puppies--oh BTW somehow Hillary's people knew they were coming. And later, not very known, there was a convention of black activist groups, and lo and behold one of the lead BLM vocies had a meeting with a democratic operative totally against everything they were saying about the democrats.
Was BLM legit? Of course. But their leadership was soon totally co-opted by the democratic party. From what I vaguely remember now without looking it up, but one of the NH BLM'ers that ate from Hillary's palms has done quite well in terms of grants, etc.
@Bob In Portland At the bottom of the GOS
At the bottom of the GOS web page is a list of staff members, What used to be a group of a dozen or so is now in the twenties, maybe thirties, many the type of hires that cost money, not the almost volunteer status of true believers who worked as a diversion during retirement or with other income.
There's a lot of money going into Daily Kos and it's not from ad revenue which is bypassed with ad blocker.
The writing isn't very good. Front page mostly stirrers, probably paid by the click. I can go there and spend 25 minutes scrolling through ever article and not find anything worth reading, even if it's on an interesting subject they'll muck it up with 20 or 30 "Trump is a Nazi" type sentences.
Yahoo gets more eyeballs for good reason, and Yahoo sucks.
One thing I find sad: in effect, Tom Tomorrow had to sell out
to Chuckles, the Sensible Woodchuck (his cartoon figure stand-in for centrist Democrats).
Just can’t read his comic strip “This Modern World” anymore — it seems to be all Trump, all the time.
To be fair, I guess it’s an “understandable” sellout to the extent that he needs to make a living in an era where mainstream media have decided to kill off political cartooning:
http://rall.com/2019/07/01/death-of-editorial-political-cartooning-murdered
Or "Russia Russia Russia Russia"
They either write about what Trump said, did or is planning on doing or Russia and Mueller...
But Pakalolo (sp) and fish out of water still writes some good stuff about climate change and the environment.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Sanders understands this fundamental truth.
The TOP web will neither support him in the primaries, nor will they support Bernie in the general election. Bernie supporters voted for Clinton 2016. Hillary supportes in 2012 did not vote for Obama. Markos and TOP will actively oppose Sanders in the general election.
Maybe Bernie by going on Fox is sending a message to Markos and TOP. "I have more a chance convincing wingers than appealing you bunch of assholes doing cosplay as democrats."
@MrWebster Doing cosplay as
Doing cosplay as Democrats, brilliant!
Semper ubi sub ubi