@snoopydawg

I received 'boos' suggesting as much.

Gotta love groupthink.

#5.1

So many pictures of the smiling and charming Obama family. What happened to the blackwater dawg? Did she get banned or just go away?

Fond memories indeed.

@snoopydawg

complex) issue.

#5.2

The internet did come of age during the Bush years and lots of people were upset about what he was doing. I joined DK during the Iraq war when a person who was friends with kos told me about the site. From then on it was daily outrages because Bush seemed so different from Clinton's tenure. Seemed being the operative word. I thought that his term couldn't end fast enough and I guess that's why I heard Obama telling us that he would fix things.. surprise.

Now lots of people are having daily outrages about what Trump is doing and thinks that the next democratic president is going to undo what he has done. I'm not going to be surprised again though. Not when the democrats are working with the republicans now. Nope.

@MrWebster

you can't prove it by anything she says or does on MSNBC.

There is a "blue no matter who" push now. While the term is new, "yellow dog Democrat" is not. IOW, if the Democratic nominee* were literally a yellow dog, a "yellow dog Democrat" would nonetheless vote for the Democratic nominee. That corresponds to the term I used upthread, i.e., "unconditional Democrat."

Of course, yellow dog Democrats, whether John Does or broadcasters like Rhodes, and the "left of the left" opposed all the awful things that Bush did. The difference was the the left of the left told the truth about, and opposed, those same things when Obama did them. Yellow dogs kept silent about them, until they had to defend them. Whether that was selling out or not selling out is too complicated for me.

*A joke went something like this:

YDD: I'm going to do my best to see to it that John Smith (D) never sees the inside of any public office.

Doe: But... I thought you'd vote for any Democrat, even a yellow dog.

YDD: Not in the primary.

However, the Party now bends over backwards to insulate incumbents from primary challenges and also fixes primaries. So, the joke falls flat these days.

#5.2 It occurred to me that other day that the pundits who came into prominence during the Bush years uniformly supported Obama, and have now come to support the neo-liberal center/right democrats. The anti-Bush heyday when the Internet came into force (remember Dean being praised as being absolutely forward thinking by basing his campaign on the internet-thing-majig) gave these pundits liberals street creds.

So the thing is not that the pundits like Maddow sold out, but that they were never leftist/progressive except as much as the party was ever that. The fact they opposed Bush masked that they were in fact democratic party loyalists and shills. Ideologically they never sold out. Events during the time masked who they were. (BTW, in hindsight, there was never really an anti-war movement during the Bush Jr. wars. No, it was an anti-Bush movement, and became pro-war when Obama took power. I remember Randi Rhodes screaming at a caller for criticizing Obama over Afghanistan.)

And in terms of careers, they tied their careers to supporting the democratic party establishment. They put party back then over principled positions. You can see this in that currently nearly all of them have pushed the Russiagate narrative big time. Even Michael Moore went that route.

And the divide you see I suppose was always there, but came out in TOP as basically a purge in the same way DNC was to purge leftists/Bernie supporters from the party.

@HenryAWallace Daily Show, the Onion, SNL, etc. Wasn’t the Onion just apologizing for normalizing Biden now that they’ve gotten a good look at the guy?

#6.1

before Bernie said in 2014 or 2015 that he'd formed an exploratory committee to see if he should run for President, was that the Daily Show crowd were so-called centrists in general and Clintonites in particular. (For me, the Rally in Central Park to Restore Sanity and/or Fear was the "tell.") The Daily Show bunch were brilliant, esp., IMO, Jon Stewart, and funny, but they were not leftists.

BTW, Stewart was vicious about Bernie, too, until his audience kept complaining. Then, he did a segment showing videos of attacks on Sanders, with videos of his own shots at Bernie last. Then he said something like, "That last guy (meaning Stewart himself) seems especially random."

That was, of course, near the end of his Daily Show tenure. He did not mention Bernie at all again until his final week. Then, he took a parting shot at Sanders along the lines of "If you really want anyone to take your run for President seriously, stop going around looking like you stuck your dick in an electric outlet."

How far beneath Stewart's typical comedic genius was yet another Sanders' hair remark, even if it was the crudest one I encountered? Not only that, but Sander had long since received what I called his "campaign haircut." Ergo, Stewart's comment made Stewart seem either like a pointless liar or politically clueless. I had never perceived him either way before, simply as yet another center right Clinton fan who seem left during the Bush administration, albeit a brilliant one.

Oh, and before he began attacking Bernie, he was maintaining radio silence about Sanders, like the rest of the media.

Bernie, post his 2016 "campaign haircut:"

@HenryAWallace One pundit noted that Stewart has had problems with activists. He called Assange a narcissist who revealed things people already knew. He did?! He portrayed Medea Benjamin as "cucu for koko puffs." nut. He originally visually showed WI teachers as goof balls and visually Scott Brown a sane good looking reasonable person. In his role as Miss Manners, he said leftists should be not be calling Bush a war criminal. Glenn Greenwald answered that what happened in Abu Grab was in fact war crimes as the military inspector who looked into said so. His famous rally was on the same day of a union lead rally totally overshadowed by his antics. I saw these videos by happen chance. He may have done the same to other activists.

So Jon Stewart took up the health issues of 9-11 first responders. He became an activist! And he was ignored in the halls of Congress to the he point he ranted (or was it a temper tantrum) at them about a lack of action on his issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oplNm4Qt0pQ

You mentioned that Stewart was possibly clueless. I think so. I think he had this idea in his head that if he spoke reasonably and with respect to lawmakers, why they would just come around. I hope he asks himself why Medea Benjamin, teacher unions, and Assange do the things they do, and what motivated him to marginalize all of them. I hope he thinks on power and payback. I have to wonder if the 9-11 first responders should have gone to some well known NY republican like even Guilliani to speak for their cause. Stewart was yes politically clueless not realizing how much animosity he must have generated on the gop side.

(Stewart did change his take on WI teachers as I believe his mother, who was a teacher, must have ripped him a new one.)

#6.1

before Bernie said in 2014 or 2015 that he'd formed an exploratory committee to see if he should run for President, was that the Daily Show crowd were so-called centrists in general and Clintonites in particular. (For me, the Rally in Central Park to Restore Sanity and/or Fear was the "tell.") The Daily Show bunch were brilliant, esp., IMO, Jon Stewart, and funny, but they were not leftists.

BTW, Stewart was vicious about Bernie, too, until his audience kept complaining. Then, he did a segment showing videos of attacks on Sanders, with videos of his own shots at Bernie last. Then he said something like, "That last guy (meaning Stewart himself) seems especially random."

That was, of course, near the end of his Daily Show tenure. He did not mention Bernie at all again until his final week. Then, he took a parting shot at Sanders along the lines of "If you really want anyone to take your run for President seriously, stop going around looking like you stuck your dick in an electric outlet."

How far beneath Stewart's typical comedic genius was yet another Sanders' hair remark, even if it was the crudest one I encountered? Not only that, but Sander had long since received what I called his "campaign haircut." Ergo, Stewart's comment made Stewart seem either like a pointless liar or politically clueless. I had never perceived him either way before, simply as yet another center right Clinton fan who seem left during the Bush administration, albeit a brilliant one.

Oh, and before he began attacking Bernie, he was maintaining radio silence about Sanders, like the rest of the media.

Bernie, post his 2016 "campaign haircut:"

@HenryAWallace

Outside of an occasional token appearance by Bernie Sanders, everything on Colbert is straight out of the DNC catechism, from RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! on down.

Colbert has not yet faced the fact that Her Heinous lost the election in 2016 because she was the worse of the duopoly's general election candidates. At least, he hasn't done so on-air on his show.

The lack of serious consideration for non-DNC ideology is the source of my remark that the DNC essentially owns the Colbert show.

And please remember I'm miffed at Colbert right now, and therefore may be biased.

#6.2

For practical intents and purposes, the Colbert show is owned by the DNC.