Biden: Embrace The Suck

Joe Biden is the overwhelming favorite of people who formerly supported Hillary Clinton's disastrous 2016 campaign.
It appears those voters look back at that epic failure and think, "Gimme some more of that!"

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He’s dominating in the polls, his fundraising is going gangbusters and he’s showing broad support from key political players in the early presidential states.

So where are the big energetic crowds, the lines around the block to get into Joe Biden’s events?

The question is no small matter in a party still recovering from a bitter 2016 defeat — a loss marked by a lack of enthusiasm for an establishment nominee in several critical states.

Attendance at the former vice president’s launch rally paled next to some of his rivals. In his first Iowa visit, he didn’t match the crowds that greeted Elizabeth Warren or even the less well-known Pete Buttigieg in their initial visits. So far, he’s kept his events to smaller venues where there’s little danger of empty seats.

You know when you see one of those movie sequels like "Police Academy SEVEN?!? The first one sucked. Why would anyone make so many more?"

Biden is the answer to that question, but for politics.
Some people really like things that suck.
[note: Police Academy 8 is in the works]

Now keep in mind that this is Politico, so they will bend over backwards to explain to you why you should embrace the suck.

To Biden’s campaign, attendance figures are a meaningless metric. Focusing on crowd size is Trump’s game, it says, an emphasis on style over substance that attempts to turn audience engagement into an argument about the 76-year-old Biden’s energy level.
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Crowd size, after all, is an imperfect metric to measure a campaign’s vitality. While it can be a revealing indicator, it still lacks the scientific underpinning of polling or the fixed-dollar figures associated with fundraising. Nor does it account for the judgment of elected and influential Democrats across the country.
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James Carville, one of the masterminds behind Bill Clinton’s campaigns for president, said those criticisms miss an essential point about the kind of no-frills-no-thrills campaign he is running.
“He’s never been a candidate who has run on excitement. He has run on ‘you can trust me. I’m a good guy. My heart is in the right place. I’m human. You know me. I’m well-liked,’” Carville said. “Their theory of the case is people are tired of the circus. And it takes an experienced hand to settle everything down to get us back to some era of sanity.”

It takes an effort to remind yourself that Politico does journalism.
Even the NY Times could see a problem.

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But getting elected is not about appealing to the bland median. It’s about appealing to the people who actually feel motivated to turn out and vote.
...Those assumptions about electability reflect entrenched biases more than political science, and have a dash of arrogance to boot.
...Instead of trying to win back a waning electoral and demographic force, Democrats would be better served to consider what will get voters to the polls. Hillary Clinton’s loss can only be explained by a long list of factors, but surely one of them was apathy: The certainty that she had the election in the bag probably depressed voter turnout.

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vtcc73's picture

Dems are asking themselves, “How could we possibly do worse than we did in 2016?”

“Challenge accepted!” says the DNC.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

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@vtcc73 then rest assured that you are asking the wrong question.

“Embrace the suck” is still a really good slogan, though. Keeping that around for afterwards, because we’re all gonna need a good laugh.

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@skod @skod @skod Laughing works equally well.

Stepping away and/or ignoring things we are individually powerless to change is also useful. We really are powerless in all of this, individually. We could be unstoppable together but I think we've been too well fractured as a people for that to happen any time soon. There seems to be no consensus for coming together as a people to force changes to our nation. So coping it is. I use to have to use all three skills to maintain anything resembling sanity.

On Jan 10, 2018, my family and I removed ourselves from the poo flinging monkey house that used to be the US of A. It worked spectacularly well in a personal way as well as as an act of fleeing to sanity. I only occasionally, and in as little depth as possible, take a peek at what is going on way up north. It's more out of morbid curiosity than anything. The change of perspective and living among people who only want to live their lives in peace creates as powerful a contrast as I can imagine. Even those who I thought understand what is going on and want to change it are so caught up in all of it that they can't see or think straight. I guess a pig in a mud wallow doesn't know they're in a shit hole but only see home.

It's painful to watch what is happening to all of you. About all I can offer is to suggest embracing the suck and keep on keeping on. When the conditions get bad enough for enough people they will find the resolve in themselves to say no more, band together, and act. Or not. Until then it's all noise blasted into a void.

Morbid curiosity or not this is a dreadful feeling.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

@skod
be ready?

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@entrepreneur CafePress in 3... 2... 1... (;-)

Back when I was a highschooler working in the family printshop, we did an order of bumperstickers for a customer: two simple words, Richard Nixon.

Of course, the "Ric" and "Nix" were in royal blue, and the remaining letters were in fire-engine red, on a white background. Very patriotic, don't you think?

On edit: these would be available for $4.19 each from CafePress (their retail price- I just typed in the info; I wouldn't make anything from this).

Anyone can order the same sort of thing here...

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@skod

JUST SAY
NO TO JOE

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When I offer to wash your back in the shower, all you have to say is yes or no.
Not all this "who are you, and how did you get in here?" nonsense.

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@Socialprogressive

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

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One of the reasons Barack Obama won in 2008 is because he had a lot of support from progressives. Hillary Clinton did not have this same support in 2016 and look what happened. I believe Biden will have even less progressive support than Hillary, even if Trump is the Republican nominee.

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@karl pearson First off, the people who tipped the election because they voted for Obama but who didn't vote for Clinton weren't progressives -- they were disaffected Midwesterners (or Floridians) who couldn't bring themselves to vote for either candidate. Secondly, the reason why Democrats appear progressive is so that they can play their assigned roles in the ultimate Republican victory over the rest of us.

Progressives are irrelevant because they can't let go of the Democratic Party.

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

from say PA 2012 - 2016. Or MI, or WI. We know that 90,000 people left the POTUS line blank in Michigan, so we can expect that the total vote was way down. Wikipedia should have it, but it's quarter past 1, so I'll come back in the morning.

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On to Biden since 1973

@doh1304 Here's the vote count for 12 and16 https://mielections.us/election/results/12GEN/ https://mielections.us/election/results/2016GEN_CENR.html

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Biden has run that no frills/no excitement campaign twice already and couldn’t reach double digits in a much smaller Democratic primary. I will grant that this time he’s being given a pretty substantial handicap by both the DNC and the MSM, but while that may ram him through the primary, it won’t win the election. Like it or not, people are excited about Trump still and you put a guy people care about up against one they don’t and that first guy is going to win.

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Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.

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@Dr. John Carpenter in Carville's statement about Biden's game plan may be "They know me". I think that's what it boils down to.

Biden has been hanging around the Beltway for 40-plus years. He's had unsuccessful runs at the presidency, including the one in which he was forced to drop out when his plagiaristic tendencies came to light. He apparently still has the same modus operandi now, copying and using Bernie's words (not just Bernie's ideas, but his words) and passing them off as his own.

In his decades serving in the Senate, Biden was openly conservative and pro-corporate. Everyone knew this. Good grief, he represented Delaware. What else would anyone expect from him? In fact, I understand that one reason Obama chose him as his VP was that Biden was thought to be a good Dem counterpart to John McCain, the Republican nominee.

In Biden's autobiography, he talked about his 1980s presidential campaign strategy: to denounce the 1960s-style Democratic party as old-fashioned and passé, in favor of pragmatic neoliberalism. Too bad for him the Clintons ended up doing it, with the DLC-Third Way.

Anyway, Biden's been bidin' his time (sorry, couldn't resist the pun Pardon ). He's been around so long, we know him. Or at least, his face and name are familiar to the American people, much more so than in 2008. At that time, half the American public didn't even know who Biden was. As Obama's VP, he re-invented himself as "good old aw-shucks uncle Joe".

Now he's doing his best to gaslight us, hoping that we'll forget what we actually know about him.

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

@Centaurea it’s going to be really interesting to see if they can keep the Gaslighting Re-invention going. Trump, not one known to be a student of history or politics, has already been bringing up the ‘94 crime bill and I’m sure he’ll be glad to bring more of Jomentum’s “gaffes” out into the open.

(Sidenote: here’s a byproduct of the Dems making Trump to be a cartoon villain rather than approaching him like adults. They are again putting their eggs in a basket that plays into Trump’s strengths. Trump will have no shame bringing up Joe’s past if it makes him look hypocritical and Biden will “gaffe” trying to explain his way around it. I guarantee Trump knows all he has to do is keep poking that bear and Biden will melt himself down. Warren falls into this trap too. Trump isn’t that clever so I don’t get why Dems so willingly walk into this trap.)

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@Dr. John Carpenter Or, to rephrase: Both parties are fully on board with Trump's re-election.

The reasons should be fairly obvious at this point.

He has been, and will continue to be, able to completely dismantle everything that matters to the 99% in ways that lesser-outrageous personalities never could. Can anyone here imagine even Her Heinous doing what Trump has already done? It would have taken her years, because as a "serious" "intelligent" "Democrat," she'd have had to at least pretended to work for us while "negotiating" with the "other side." Trump's persona (and let's be clear, it's a purposefully crafted persona) means he can ram the oligarchy's agenda through at a rapid-fire pace, while providing cover for the "Democrats" as they whip up daily outrage instead of actually fucking doing anything meaningful to resist. From their perspective, what's not to like?

I hate to be the Debbie Downer here, as one of Bernie's blissfully ignorant 2016 champions, but anyone who thinks that Bernie, Tulsi, or any other Democrat with a chance in hell to beat Trump will be the nominee has another think coming.

Sorry for the rant. It's been a long week. But the writing's on the wall. Biden is the "favorite" for a reason.

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@WaterLily

This has been my belief since Trump was sworn in. He's doing things that the PTB have long wanted done, but couldn't be too obvious about doing them. There is no way that Herheinous would have been able to sign the tax bill or appoint their right wing judges that will be able to undo many of the good things that democrats have passed back when they were actually trying to do things that helped us. This was why McConnell was able to sit on Garland's appointment to the SC too. Did you ever hear Obama ranting about him not holding the vote for him? Or the democrats? There were many procedural things that democrats could have done to force him to bring him up for a vote, but just like they never place blocks on the republicans legislation they didn't do that.

Great rant.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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@WaterLily

is deeply reviled by corporatists/neoliberals in both corporatist legacy parties. Why else would there have been what amounts to a soft coup attempt? To my knowledge, as thoroughly corrupt as both parties are/have been for decades, this action was a first (in my lifetime, anyway).

Regarding the recent tax cuts, they were basically pushed through by Repub Leadership--Ryan and McConnell. (DT is too busy Tweeting and golfing, and, IMO, has almost no real power or control over day-to-day operations in his own government.) Which is to say, that is/was a standard part of the Repub Party agenda. Same with judges. Had little or nothing to do with the election of DT.

IMO, if FSC had been elected President, we probably would have already seen an 'O'-style "Grand Bargain" enacted. Why do you think the Dem Leadership was angry about the tax cuts? Answer - once the cuts were enacted, Dems couldn't use them as a 'bargaining chip' to dismantle the social safety net (while blaming it on Repubs), as 'O' tried to do for six of his eight years. Don't forget--that 'was' the so-called Grand Bargain.

Also, bear in mind, Dems tentatively struck a deal with Repubs to drop the corporate tax rate to 25 percent in 2014 (instead of 21 percent, which passed in 2017). But, it didn't go through because Repubs reneged on the "GB," at the last minute.

Which reminds me, according to some Dem-friendly economists, the Dem Leadership should consider striking a 'Grand Bargain' with DT on infrastructure--using that as an excuse to slash entitlements. This is the reason that I was ecstatic that DT walked out on Pelosi and Schumer [last week], when they met about infrastructure.

See screenshot, below. (Sorry, couldn't get photo to upload.)

This is the caption: "Slashing Safety Net could help pay for Infrastructure."

Yikes!

A lot of what we see is Kabuki, but, truly don't believe that the 'soft coup' is a hoax. It was serious as a heart attack, and, almost succeeded. So, no, don't believe Dems are trying to get DT elected. They are simply terrified that he'll come over on them. Otherwise, they would have filed for impeachment on Day One. (IOW, they're cowards.)

Either way, we're cooked. Period.

Heh, got a bit more to add, but, got to run for now. Pizza's here!

Biggrin

Blue Onyx

“Dogs have given us their absolute all. We are the center of their universe. We are the focus of their love and faith and trust. They serve us in return for scraps. It is without a doubt the best deal man has ever made.
~~Roger Caras

“In every moment, a choice exists.

We can cling to the past, or embrace the inevitability of change, and allow a brighter future to unfold before us. Such an uncertain future may call for even more uncertain allies. Either way, a new day is coming, whether we like it or not. The question is-- will you control it, or, will it control you?”
~~Fictitious Character Klaus Mikaelson

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@Unabashed Liberal You're a lot more knowledgeable than I on the inner workings of the Hill.

I'm still not convinced this isn't all on purpose, and do personally believe that the Tweeting and the golfing are part of the persona, easily used as yet another flash point for outrage.

But we can certainly agree that no matter what -- as you say -- we're cooked.

Speaking of cooked ... mmmmmm, pizza! Smile

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@WaterLily

habits rightfully engender a lot of outrage. (Even if both have been very much a part of his life for years, including, long before he ran for and became President.)

More importantly, as you mentioned, we can easily agree upon the fact that we--the American People--are in dire straits, regardless of which corrupt legacy Party is in power.

BTW, the pizza was delicious--recommend Marcos Pizza (if it's in your area).

Pleasantry

Mollie

“Dogs have given us their absolute all. We are the center of their universe. We are the focus of their love and faith and trust. They serve us in return for scraps. It is without a doubt the best deal man has ever made.
~~Roger Caras

“In every moment, a choice exists.

We can cling to the past, or embrace the inevitability of change, and allow a brighter future to unfold before us. Such an uncertain future may call for even more uncertain allies. Either way, a new day is coming, whether we like it or not. The question is-- will you control it, or, will it control you?”
~~Fictitious Character Klaus Mikaelson

(Bolding/Italics - my emphasis. Smile )

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sums up the corrupt, neoliberal mindset of the Dem establishment and its media enablers.

Crowd size, after all, is an imperfect metric to measure a campaign’s vitality. While it can be a revealing indicator, it still lacks the scientific underpinning of polling or the fixed-dollar figures associated with fundraising. Nor does it account for the judgment of elected and influential Democrats across the country.

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"If you want revolution, be it."
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@Centaurea
"Nor does it account for the judgment of elected and influential Democrats across the country."
Code for Superdelegates. Biden has already been chosen. Just like her was chosen long before anyone else threw their hat in the ring.
The smokey back room is cleared of smoke and empty now.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

The whole debate rules the dems have instituted are tailor made for candidates like Biden. The fund raising and signature requirements force the candidates to go national almost immediately. As stupid as the first primary/caucus rounds are it was an opportunity to run a shoestring campaign. Can't do that if you're running around the country looking for contributions. This is what Clinton wished she had last time around. It really favors the connected establishment pols.

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Hillary Clinton’s loss can only be explained by a long list of factors, but surely one of them was apathy: The certainty that she had the election in the bag probably depressed voter turnout.

OFF SCRIPT!!

Some copy editor is going to be out of a job at the NYT.

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@WaterLily
In 2016 I checked vote totals from 2006 to 2014. (I also compared 1990 to 1994, see below) I discovered that the Democratic Party was losing 2 million votes a cycle (2010 was an outlier) but those votes were not switching to the Republicans. This led me to predict that Trump and Hillary would have approximately equal vote totals in 2016, that the election would be as close as 2000.
Hillary "got" 3 million more votes than I predicted, but still lost. Why?
Contrary to rumor, CA only voted for Hillary by 1 million more than it voted for Obama in 2012. This is fishy, but not 3 million. As for MI (thanks la58)the vote total was slightly higher in 2016 - about as much more as you would expect from population increase.
(Note on the 2010 outlier) About 10 million people voted for congressional candidates in 2010 than in 2006, and all voted Republican. Following a hunch I checked the 1994 election and found the same thing. What could they have in common? Hillarycare/Obamacare.
"Conclusion" (guess) Unless Trump does something/has done something as suicidal as Obamacare Trump will be reelected, and Hillary's outlier 3 million votes - if they exist - seem to have been in exclusively blue states. Also, unless the Democrats do something transformational (Bernie) the Democrats will lose and continue to lose until they cease to exist.

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On to Biden since 1973

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@doh1304

GOP (Harlem Globetrotters) the play with themselves, and we can’t have that! Two parties are necessary to maintain the fiction of choice.

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Nor does it account for the complete and utter lack of judgment of elected and influential Democrats across the country.

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@edg The secret of collaborationism is that you don't really have to win any races at all -- you just have to give the appearance of having competed (while of course destroying the political prospects of anyone who really wanted to compete).

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Maybe at one point people were enthusiastic... A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.

It seems that the election is going to go to whoever plays the game of rigging the rules the best. If the Dems can rig the elections to favor their candidates openly in their "private organizational procedures", it would be both naive and stupid to think that they wouldn't continue the pattern of behavior elsewhere. When people show you who they are, believe them, and all that.

Considering that nobody is talking about the imminent war and everybody is talking about procedural power struggles at home... this is the point in strategy games when I usually expect a civil war.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD8Ciz2EAqE]

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks You can't say that for the Clintons

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@gjohnsit had redeeming qualities in the end. Not HRC.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@detroitmechworks in this version the Jedi merely gave up and let Palpatine/ Sidious win.

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

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@Cassiodorus and ye shall receivii...

Two of our least favorite characters, Together Again For The First TIme! Has boxoffice *gold* written all over it, this one.

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I've been in Houston for 8 years so I guess I'm a cowboy now?

There is this...

IS THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN TRYING TO HIDE THE REAL JOE BIDEN?

A campaign based on nostalgia and name recognition may be masking more serious problems with the candidate himself.

Who IS the "real" Joe Biden?

Curious people are curious.

When you've lost Vanity Fair?

Oh my.

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Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!

Firesign Theater

Stop the War!

Unabashed Liberal's picture

Community (especially, women), he may just take the nomination.

Bear in mind, that Community (in the South, anyway) is not that liberal, culturally.

Mostly, Uncle Joe is liked because (supposedly) he and 'O' were very close. IOW, he was 'loyal' to him.

Plus, Joe can talk the same pseudo-progressive rhetoric perfected by the Al From and DLC/Third Way crowd. Still words like a charm, in some quarters.

(Per CNN talking head, they make up between 20-30 percent of Dem Party voters.)

Blue Onyx

“Dogs have given us their absolute all. We are the center of their universe. We are the focus of their love and faith and trust. They serve us in return for scraps. It is without a doubt the best deal man has ever made.
~~Roger Caras

“In every moment, a choice exists.

We can cling to the past, or embrace the inevitability of change, and allow a brighter future to unfold before us. Such an uncertain future may call for even more uncertain allies. Either way, a new day is coming, whether we like it or not. The question is-- will you control it, or, will it control you?”
~~Fictitious Character Klaus Mikaelson

(Bolding/Italics - my emphasis. Smile )

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@Unabashed Liberal @Unabashed Liberal
northern urban african-american vote. this was quite specifically the error the HRC campaign made -- they ate their own dog food, believing that HRC's strength in the south (derived from conservative faith-based african american voters who would all be republicans if the GOP weren't so overtly racist) somehow translated to strength amongst african americans in the cities of wisconsin and michigan. it didn't, which was something anybody who knows anything about northern urban african american culture could have told them. i mean ... i know barely anything about that subculture, but i knew that they weren't going to bother to come out and vote for someone they knew damned well didn't represent their interests and wasn't going to do a damned thing to address their many grievances.

and they didn't. many in those communities realized that obama hadn't done dick for them, so they sure as hell weren't going to get excited about a candidate who couldn't even fucking bother to come and ask for their votes.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@UntimelyRippd
Would privately tell me how disappointed in Obama they were, while staunchly defending him to the other white guys, very vociferously if said other white guy was known to be Republican or Tea Party. This was in the Chicago metro area. I felt honored that they shared their true feelings with me. And I understood why they defended him to white folks. One man, a true kindred spirit of mine, worked his butt off to elect the first black President. Then saw he had worked to elect an Oreo. He stayed home in 2012. Stayed home in the sense of not working the campaign, I'm sure he voted. He didn't want the first black President repudiated after all.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@UntimelyRippd

quoting AA female Cable News 'talking heads.' Don't know, firsthand.

Having said that, I'm not sure that comparing Biden to FSC (or, HRC) is particularly useful, in regards to being an indicator of AA support and/or enthusiasm.

For one thing, it's my understanding that Biden has a whopping base of support/political machine--white and AA--in the state of South Carolina. And it's an early Southern primary state. (FSC did not.)

Another difference--she ran against 'O,' versus, (Biden) serving as his Vice Prez for two terms. Again, may be "loyalty by association," but, many in the AA Community do seem to hold 'O' and ol' Joe in fairly high regard--just listen to the call-in portion of C-Span's Washington Journal, sometime. It's unreal, or surreal--not sure which!

Biggrin

Of course, both Clintons were known to be amongst the most corrupt and vile politicians of our time--bar none. And, if you throw in the mix the fact that FSC is/was both arrogant and obnoxious--think that had a lot to do with voter suppression in 2016, generally. And, even though ol' Joe has that huge, cheezy smile--can't say that he's quite as off-putting as FSC. IIRC, both FSC and DT had the highest negatives of any of the Presidential candidates.

I'm just 'guessing,' but, figure many in the AA Community didn't figure DT would/could win in 2016. So, sitting out the election was an option, which some probably don't figure that they have, today.

I've read that in the AA Community, many of the women shrugged off the #MeToo charges against Biden. Basically, they thought they were silly. (Compare that to FSC being married to a decades-long serial philanderer, also accused of rape, etc. And, that was in addition to the Lewinsky scandal that consumed the nation for two years. Almost makes Joe look good!)

Heh, don't get me wrong--personally, wouldn't walk across the street to see Joe Biden, much less vote for him.

Bottom line, I'm clearly just speculating. But, if I had to choose between the two, it'd be Biden. Heck, if my choice was between FSC and Beelzebub--it'd be Beelzebub.

Biggrin

Have a nice weekend, Guys.

Mollie

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