MSNBC: Markos is "breathtakingly stupid"

I know that this is beating a dead horse, but to my defense of this essay...Schadenfreude.

How often do you see an entire TV news panel absolutely slam dunking their own guest?

But more importantly, they are probably right. It isn't that Markos sold out. He probably got nothing for screwing his blog. He's just "breathtakingly stupid".

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Update: Markos has been an asshole for a long time. Here he is smearing Kucinich.

Appearing on MSNBC's "Countdown," DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas was asked by guest host Lawrence O'Donnell about Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich's opposition to President Obama's reform proposal. Moulitsas didn't take it easy on Kucinich in his response.

"[I]t's definitely a very Ralph Nader-esque approach, I think, to politics -- a very unrealistic and self-defeating approach," Moulitsas said.

"And I'm going to hold people, like Dennis Kucinich, responsible for the 40,000 Americans that die each year from a lack of health care. And I don't care if you're a Republican or you're a conservative Democrat or you're somebody like Dennis Kucinich. The fact is, this does a heck of a lot for a lot of people ... It's not the ideal solution. But we have our foot in the door, and if somebody like Kucinich wants to block that, I find that completely reprehensible."

Later, pressed by O'Donnell, Moulitsas said he'd support the idea of a primary challenge against Kucinich if the congressman continues his opposition to the legislation.
...Moulitsas argues that the congressman hasn't accomplished anything at all, and -- though I know I'm going to get slammed for saying this -- I have to agree.

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Bollox Ref's picture

People are finally beginning to notice what's been obvious for years. Couldn't happen to a nicer twerp.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

gulfgal98's picture

@Bollox Ref I never understood why people thought he was so smart. He could not write worth a toot and in live interviews always came off as someone who never could think on his feet, like, say Glenn Greenwald.

In the end, Markos is the poster boy for those whom he represents, a party devoid of ideas and hell bent on destroying itself via its own hubris, the Democratic party. Keep it up Markos.

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@gulfgal98

way back when... 2004, maybe, was for the writing of Billmon and Steve Gilliard.

Little value added by the owner of the site.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref
wonderful Sunday ‘history’ lessons. My favorite poster over there, hands down.

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@gulfgal98

as Tom Sawyer is to fence painting.

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Peace Sells

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@Not Henry Kissinger

As in he managed to trick other people into doing the work for him?

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Play me another broken record Joe. Maybe then I'll learn why we pay twice as much for healthcare as everybody else in the world. ~ Not Henry Kissinger

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@Not Henry Kissinger On a morning when I really needed a laugh.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy

@Not Henry Kissinger
Especially since Tom Sawyer didn't trick others into painting his fence. He used whitewash.

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of the M$M guest pool.

@Bollox Ref

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Duh dude! Every democrat in the past has gone on Fox News because that's how people learn what you're selling.

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BTW.. breathtaking stupid and people live in their own bubbles? Pot - kettle?

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
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Great play on acronyms.

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@dkmich

MSDNC is what people started calling it after they rigged their primary and because Rachel has become their expert on all things Russian.

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
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@snoopydawg

I took gjohnsit's link there, and I followed it. Looks like a parady site.

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@dkmich

Just like Russia Maddow. I started replying to this one belligerently before I caught on to the name. Oops. How embarrassed would I have been?

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@dkmich Ah, Peter Douche. Love his Twitter feed.

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Wally's picture

Even Markos's experimental ranked choice poll as of 6pm ET is blowing up in MM's face.

Bernie's been increasing his lead all day.

There are only 8 candidates listed in the ranked choice poll.

The way to play is to markup Bernie as your #1 choice and all the others as #8. Let 'em know you aren't favoring any corporate shill candidates.

The deadline is tonight, Wednesday, April 17th, 2019, 6PM PDT / 9PM ET
Don't forget to vote:

https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_90f0b01103af6c05&akey=1...

If the link above doesn't take you there, google: Condorcet Internet Voting Service Ranked-Choice Democratic Primary Poll

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@Wally @Wally
to set them all at 8.

i'm surprised the guy even allows ties. i wouldn't.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd It's ranked choice.

Not much value in being ranked #8.

Maybe he has it set up so that the rest automatically become #2 but I doubt it.

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@Wally
it is calculating head-to-head results for each pair of candidates, and reporting the closest results for each pair. WRT to Sanders's results, it doesn't matter whether he outranks someone 1 to 8, or 1 to 2, the system only cares that he outranks the person.

Setting everybody to 8 is "throwing away your vote," in that ties don't matter at all (except in esoteric cases that are unlikely to ever happen -- there's a link to an explanation on the page). If there's somebody you particularly dislike, and don't want to see that candidate do well (Say, for example, Pistol Pete Buttinski), you'd do better to set that candidate to 8 and all the others to 7, or whatever. Another clever thing to do is just order them in reverse of what the current poll result shows, though you're not supposed to look at it before you vote. Randomly reordering them just throws noise into the system.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

next time

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@Wally they also have Tulsi vs Biden.

https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain @Battle of Blair Mountain

The straw poll's deadline is 8/31/19.

That's after the debates have started.

I don't get the purpose of it.

She's beating Biden this morning at 8 am 32-25. Not surprising given that everybody in the main poll that ended yesterday was walloping Biden.

I'm still at a loss how to read the results of that poll. Don't try to explain it to me coz you'll be wasting your time. Numbers like that just make my brain lock up. I still can't really understand how to best play the poll.

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You're supposed to try to get the largest number of voters to support the best candidate. Instead, Democrats prefer shitty candidates but "pure" voters. (Which, to their warped mindset, means rich centrists who are social liberals and social liberals only.)

I've never seen a major party do this. They are TRYING to shrink their voting base. And Markie stands there in front of the Berkeley skyline (of course) and says anyone who ventures outside the bubble is not a "team player." One of the pundits described this as "burning heretics." I'd go ever further: I'd say it's like declaring independence from the country you're supposed to be trying to win.

Bernie Sanders, for all his faults, is trying to become the President of the United States. Markie thinks the job is called President of the Democratic Party, and he acts accordingly.

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"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky

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@movie buff

It's working! Dem registration is down.

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@movie buff The Dims are. not. interested. in winning elections. What they are is an oversized Tammany Hall, a vast patronage organizations. TH at least, I understand, had the merit that it got things accomplished.

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@movie buff

The Democrats need a President Dotard Trump more than anything. Of course a President Bernie Sanders is scary. I think that the FOX townhall showed that he has strong appeal to swing voters, Independents, disgruntled Trump voters, and perhaps even those who don't vote. Even the hit pieces are sounding less dismissive and more worried.

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The Markos one is too passé for effectiveness. He didn't even mention how earth-shatteringly amazing Pete Butt is. #MissedOpportunity

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@Le Frog Ugh! I bet she has cold fingers.

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@Snode

Gah I can't stand her. If anyone remembers the State of the Union, when she sarcastically clapped at Trump, people went bananas congratulating her for being edgy and clever. I thought it was juvenile and disrespectful. I don't care how much she hates Trump; she is a legislator in a position of leadership. Set a tone of decorum instead of what one would find at a frat kegger. I'm going to lose it if I hear one more Democrat talk about Republican divisiveness.

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@Le Frog

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@snoopydawg

That smug expression makes my teeth itch. That entire performance nicely sums up the #Resistance to me.

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@snoopydawg Magnificent! Only 1%'ers can do it correctly.

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@Le Frog
about all those roses he brought her.
Give rose

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@Raggedy Ann @Raggedy Ann

And the people who contributed to that cringefest... I just can't! No words! I have middle school memories less embarrassing than that.

ETA: Raggedy Ann, your emoji use is top notch!

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@Le Frog
Blush

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“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.”

-- Voltaire

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/17/democratic-candidates-lobbyist-donat...

"Democratic 2020 Candidates Promised to Reject Lobbyist Donations, But Many Accepted the Cash Anyway" and accompanying that headline are photos of Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Beto O'WhoCares.

Bernie Sanders doesn't get nearly enough credit for elevating that fucking party. I was reading the other day (I cannot remember where) that the surge of popularity for progressive candidates and policies is thanks to Dotard Trump, meaning his odious self set off an opposition. All of my WHAAAAAATs. Bernie Sanders turned the volume way up on the dialogues about progressivism. Bernie Sanders was busting his ass campaigning for progressive candidates in the midterms. People campaigned as Berniecrats! Have you heard of an Obamacrat or a Clintoncrat or a Pelosicrat? A Trumpican? Me neither! An offshoot of his candidacy was Our Revolution. But no, Bernie isn't a team player!

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Moosetits a click to read that one!!!

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

@Amanda Matthews

"Traitor Chuck Todd Is Unmasked as Biased BernieBro"

"Stacked Panel of BernieBros Bro-ed #Resistance Hero"

And actual moose tits are better at their job, hahaha!

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@Le Frog

Jesus Fucking Christ, how far do they have their heads up their asses!?!

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Play me another broken record Joe. Maybe then I'll learn why we pay twice as much for healthcare as everybody else in the world. ~ Not Henry Kissinger

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I've been pitching an analogy since I started political blogging in 2004.

Breathtakingly stupid people, like Kos and the tribe of corporate navel gazers on his site, tend to think that voters need to work to support the politicians. We need to be sensitive to their needs. We are to support them; that's the team.

People here at C99P and others disenchanted with the duopoly realize that politicians need to work to support the people. They need to be sensitive to our needs. They are to support us; that's the team.

One is an authoritarian based ideology and the other a community or solidarity based ideology.

This asshole expects me to go prove to politicians that representing me is a good idea. I want the politicians, especially at this time in American history, to come and prove to me that voting for them will give me some representation.

The Democratic Establishment thinks they hold the leash of the people. And that we should perform tricks to earn the cookie that is their representation.

The rest of us non-bootlickers think that the people hold the leash and that politicians have to do tricks to earn the cookie, our vote, that puts them into office.

Funny that they don't seem to think that about their political sponsors. It's quite obvious to anyone watching that the Democratic Establishment is leashed, muzzled, crated, and scheduled food by their corporate sponsors.

Moral will NOT improve with more beatings. And winning will not happen without better morale. Do the math, kids.

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1. Bernie Sanders (Condorcet winner: wins contests with all other choices)
2. Elizabeth Warren loses to Bernie Sanders by 840–495
3. Pete Buttigieg loses to Bernie Sanders by 835–511, loses to Elizabeth Warren by 822–419
4. Kamala Harris loses to Bernie Sanders by 888–452, loses to Pete Buttigieg by 596–496
5. Jay Inslee loses to Bernie Sanders by 1038–294, loses to Kamala Harris by 729–378
6. Beto O’Rourke loses to Bernie Sanders by 1040–293, loses to Jay Inslee by 616–457
7. Amy Klobuchar loses to Bernie Sanders by 1052–279, loses to Beto O’Rourke by 580–451
8. Joe Biden loses to Bernie Sanders by 1095–230, loses to Amy Klobuchar by 657–375

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@k9disc

Breathtakingly stupid people, like Kos and the tribe of corporate navel gazers on his site, tend to think that voters need to work to support the politicians. We need to be sensitive to their needs. We are to support them; that's the team.

This is exactly what they believe. Just recently I read a comment there that said that it's the democratic voters responsibility to vote for the democrats and if they lose their positions it our fault for not doing everything we can to get people to vote for them. Now how f'cked up is that? No matter how many times they vote with the republicans on crappy bills, we still have to vote for them anyway. They also think it's okay for blue dawg democrats in red states to vote with republicans because it's the only way for them to keep their jobs. Manchin voted for Kavanaugh so that a republican who was out during something else didn't have to inconvenience himself and come back to congress to vote.

Manchin, DiFi, Doug Jones, Kaine who was Hillary's VP pick and others have been helping McConnell get right wing and unqualified judges on the courts. Schumer too has made deals with him to let him just pass judges without any discussions. But it's our fault when democrats lose? Yeah, no!

@Shahryar

How very funny. You'd think that Markos would stop doing that, but instead he keeps making excuses for why Bernie keeps winning. lol!

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BERNIE SANDERS IS THE MOST POPULAR 2020 CANDIDATE AMONG HISPANIC VOTERS, NEW POLLING FINDS

Kos fancies himself as a major playah and a democratic party kingmaker. He rules the female and POC vote and activist base. Appears the kingmaker's minions are deserting him.

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Maybe he needs a truck load of roses to change his mind?

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Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!

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Stop the War!

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Kirsten Gillibrand Releases Flexible “Whatever Bernie Said” Platform.

In an innovative first, Kirsten Gillibrand announces that her platform will literally mirror Bernie’s. Accordingly, she also pledges to say all the things Bernie supporters want to hear. Said Gillibrand, “They don’t call me Kirsten Build-A-Brand for nothing.” Few people doubt Buildabrand’s resolve to embrace and incorporate the new rhetoric – after all, she once hailed herself as the most conservative person in her state’s legislature. Being known as a “Shape-shifter” throughout her career has served her well.

After inheriting her seat in New York, Buildabrand rapidly morphed from a Blue Dog Democrat into Hillary, thanks to the tutelage of Chuck Schumer and Hillary herself. Nearly overnight, Buildabrand went from opposing gay marriage to supporting it. From supporting the Bush tax cuts to admonishing them. From wanting to expand government surveillance to curtailing their power. From seeking to deputize a deportation force for “illegals” to being a staunch ally to “undocumented workers.”

and, the latest poll from Markos MakesItSo at the Pestilent Neoliberal Cesspool:

Poll choices:

4/15 Democratic Presidential Preference Poll
Kamala Harris
Joe Biden
Amy Klobuchar
Beto O'Rourke
Kirsten Gillibrand
John Hickenlooper
Cory Booker
John Delaney
Pete Buttigieg
Andrew Yang
Julian Castro
Elizabeth Warren
Jay Inslee
Someone else
Someone else NOT named Bernie Sanders
Other:

Last week’s poll revealed some intriguing results. It has become increasingly apparent that people don’t know which Bernie Sanders is running in 2020. This doesn’t bode well for his messaging team! For the second straight week, once you eliminate Bernie Sanders, because he’s not a Democrat, Andrew Yang becomes the surging internet favorite with a huge 1.14% of the vote. But don’t get complacent Yang Gang, because the front-runner Kamala Harris is hot on his tail with an impressive 0.23% of the vote!

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

has become a role model for McCarthyism. All they do over there now is apply loyalty tests and try to root out anyone who smells of having original thoughts or opposing opinions.

It's a very scary place now.

"Breathtakingly stupid".... I couldn't have said it any better than than. The DNC had better get this clown Markos off the stage before he adds even more damage to the brand.

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