WayOfTheBern noticed our Bernie debate
I happened to notice that two of the top threads in the subreddit WOTB were essentially about C99P.
There is: Demanding Perfection Ain't It, Chief. Blind Defense Ain't It, Chief.
And the most popular thread: I Used to Support Bernie But.....If you're "Over" Bernie because he hasn't spoken up for Julian, then you were never much of a supporter no matter what you say.
Caucus 99 has a bunch of angry posters who claim they are no longer with Bernie because he hasn't spoken up for Julian. I've seen traces of that at wotb. I do not know if they are concern trolls, insecure, or simply rotten human beings. But this discourse supports the DNC, not WOTB.
On Caucus 99, A wise poster named Wally has a brilliant quote from Sun Tzu's The Art of War:
"Victorious warriors win first and then they go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
Keep your eyes on the prize, please, people.
Let's all help Bernie WIN first and then fight all the battles we care about.
I didn't read most of the comments because I don't have that kind of time.
Instead I'll give my two cents on the subject.
First of all, whether you are "done" with Bernie or not depends on your values.
So you need to be open to their opinion if someone disagrees with you.
While the Assange issue is important to me, standing up to Wall Street and the MIC is much more important. You are free to disagree.
Secondly, we all need to acknowledge that no one here knows exactly what Bernie thinks about the Assange situation. Or any situation that he hasn't given his opinion on.
He probably will issue a statement at some point.
The real issue here, as I see it, isn't so much Bernie, as it is the Democratic Party.
People that are "done" with Bernie have universally felt betrayed by the Dems. And they are right to feel that way.
Many here were fooled by Obama. I wasn't, but I get how being betrayed makes you skeptical. You should be.
So IMHO, the question is "Is Bernie any different?"
Some here openly say "no".
To them I will repeat my comment from yesterday:
"My point is that if your opposition is going batshit crazy about people who you think are insufficiently strident, then maybe you need to step back and reasses the situation.
It's something I learned from economics - humility. It doesn't matter if you "are right". If the markets say you are wrong, then you are wrong.
In politics, your opposition gets a vote too. Even when they are "wrong".
The political environment is relative. It's part ideology, and part reality."
Bernie isn't a "lesser evil". If he was then TPTB wouldn't be fighting him so hard.
Even if Bernie gets elected he will disappoint a lot of people.
He will have very few allies and a lot of enemies, so getting his reforms passed will be hard. Plus I can see the ruling elite intentionally crashing the economy just to discredit him.
That's assuming they don't cheat him, or shoot him first.
So what's the point then?
Well, because fighting the corrupt ruling elite is justification in itself.
If they don't want Bernie to win, then I support Bernie.
Or to put it another way, "Because Fuck Them."
Also, you never know. Sometimes it works out.
I messaged someone this the other day:
"My preference is to be as positive as you can without ignoring reality.
Recognize that sometimes the good guys win, and even when the good guys lose the fight is often still worth fighting.
Accept that life itself is a losing battle (we are all going to die), so we all need to learn how to fight unwinnable battles with grace, dignity, and pride. There is a tragic beauty in a hopeless cause."
I should add that the journey matters as much as the destination.