Why I'm Supporting Tulsi

I want to preface this piece with the notion that I find politics in general ineffective in the US. What the majority of the citizens want is NOT reflected in the policies of this nation. Our government is owned and controlled by the multi-national corporations and their will is abetted by the mafia branch of the government, the CIA (et al). Secondly, we face the existential threat of rapid impending climate disaster and extinction, the future shock of which probably makes politics moot. That said, when looking at next years primary season, I think Tulsi is a better candidate than Bernie. Here's why...

Really it boils down to foreign policy. Consider the response of Tulsi and Bernie to the US coup in Venezuela...

Tulsi Gabbard
‏Verified account @TulsiGabbard

The US needs to stop using our military for regime change & stop intervening in Venezuela’s military. Throughout history, US-led regime change has been waged in the name of humanitarianism, but has resulted in more suffering, destruction & lives lost. #HandsOffVenezuela

Bernie posted 3 tweets

The Maduro government has waged a violent crackdown on Venezuelan civil society, violated the constitution by dissolving the National Assembly and was re-elected last year in an election many observers said was fraudulent. The economy is a disaster and millions are migrating. 1/3

The United States should support the rule of law, fair elections and self-determination for the Venezuelan people. We must condemn the use of violence against unarmed protesters and the suppression of dissent. 2/3

But we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups—as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil & the DR. The US has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American nations; we must not go down that road again. 3/3

He is incorrect about several things. Abby Martin reported from the streets of Venezuela and documented the violence was primarily from the US funded opposition. They literally were burning Chavistas. The election was not fraudulent. The opposition largely declined to participate, and instead attacked polling places dominated by Chavistas. The economic collapse in the country is due primarily to our illegal sanctions. The third tweet is better, but the sequence shows a lack of understanding of the situation.

Jimmy, Abby and Mike discuss the story...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6chIn6JRjBA (16 min)

Now I'm not going to run down Bernie. I know many of you support him and I'm certain he stands a better chance at the nomination than Tulsi. Many people vote strategically. In 2016 many of my friends voted for the $hill rather than Bernie because they thought she had a better chance to win in the general.

I feel similar to Caitlin about a possible Sanders presidency....

While Bernie might not start any new hot wars or engage in the kind of obscene regime change interventionism we’re seeing from Trump in Venezuela, under a President Sanders we can expect to see a continued escalation of the world-threatening cold war against Russia, continued starvation sanctions against nations which fail to comply with the demands of the US empire, continued military expansionism around the world, and very little pushback against the depraved agendas of military and intelligence agencies. We can expect to see him play right along with the establishment narrative if the political/media class decides that Assad is gassing civilians and needs a dose of Tomahawk missiles, and we can probably expect him to facilitate the persecution of Julian Assange as well.

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/02/20/six-thoughts-on-bernie-2020/
(worth the full read)

So what's so great about Tulsi. Well she has issues too. Neither she nor Bernie are calling out Israel. As we saw with Ilhan last week...just mention Israel and they go off the rails. More evidence of the dysfunctional nature the US government, media, corporate stranglehold. However she is a strong anti-interventionist. On Cross-Talk yesterday they spent the half hour discussing Tulsi as the "Peace Candidate". (25 min)

Excellent conversation!

The corporate media is at war with the peace candidate...
Jimmy covers some of the attacks...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlXhRBsOwpA (27 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yTStAk7XqM (10 min)

Yesterday the war mongers on the View dished out some hate on Tulsi... attacking her about both Syria and Venezuela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w1zf3YyXRI (10 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lydWqDS1GbY (2 min)

Tulsi isn't just against regime change war (although that is what arouses most of the ire against her). She has introduced and supported many progressive policies. Here's a nice clip...What does Tulsi stand for? (12 min)

She was on Joe Rogan's show for an extended interview back in September
Full interview (1.75 hours) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIb2lmHgd5s
Here's a 1 hour edit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPNGfAUWQ5o
or a 11 min excerpt about the 2016 primary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szkh57R3IoM

You can read or watch her presidential announcement at:
https://www.tulsi2020.com/press/2019-02-02-tulsi-gabbards-full-speech-pr...

She's been campaigning in Iowa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lReq9xDG-M (2 min)
...and New Hampshire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgcitSCVZJA (5 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwjclS0I9UU (8 min)

You may have noticed that the MSM rarely even mentions her as a candidate. They exclude her in many polls. The way in which they sideline her makes me think she better represents the people than the corporations.

Voting may be futile at this point in time. Tim Canova and Jimmy discuss the problems with our election system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6A452H6wA4

Here in Alabama the general election will go to Trump. However, the primary does provide an opportunity to have some effect. None the less keeping in mind Tim's comment in the clip above, in 2016 the outcome of the Alabama dim primary differed by 18 points from the exit polls (in the $hill's favor). So it is obvious the momentum is for Bernie, but my preferred candidate is Tulsi.

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@Unabashed Liberal

it takes precious time and anger away from some very pressing issues. Also, because I believe the wrong questions are being asked which I think is related to your second paragraph.

Example: to me, a pressing issue at this time would be that we only have less than a year to get all the states to switch to paper ballots (I heard that the DNC managed to limit caucuses), not just a paper trail, but actual paper ballots. To me, we should be working on making sure that there are a sufficient number and placement of polling places and doing whatever can be done to ensure that everyone has what is needed to circumvent restrictive voting laws.

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@WindDancer13

have to "agree to disagree."

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@WindDancer13

It is not like Bernie is a bad guy. But you gotta admit he's been pushin' russiagate, which...? While not callin' out the DNC for cheatin' him.

I respect him. He is fightin' the good fight. Just wish both he and Tulsi would break loose from the demoncrats. The corporcrats will make sure neither gain the nomination. That's my guess anyway.

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@Lookout

or even the 2018 senator race if he had called out the DNC? Other people were already doing it, so maybe (guessing of course) he thought let the people do their job so I can do mine. Keep in mind the DNC made a change to their rules that someone has to be "Democrat" enough for them or that person will not be allowed to run in the Democratic primary.

As Sanders has repeatedly said it is up to the people to make the needed changes. If he or GAbbard were to overwhelmingly (and I do mean a massive win) win the primary, there isn't much the DNC could do to keep him from the nomination. Of course, the DNC and corporate Dems would probably try to torpedo him in the election then.

How long has it taken for the Green Party to get on the ballot in 21 states? Right now, Sanders' and Gabbard's only chance is through the Democratic Party, no matter how much people wish it weren't so.

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@WindDancer13

So you may well be exactly right. If his plan works and he gets the nomination, I will support him.

I found Nick Branna's take interesting...

When I was on Bernie’s first campaign for president in 2016, the rush of support was incredible. He was raising hundreds of millions of dollars, filling stadiums everywhere, and polling best against Trump (as I often reminded the superdelegates). Bernie did not lose because he lacked support from the people. He lost because the Democratic Party rigged its primary to guarantee that an establishment candidate would win.

That’s why, when I was asked to join his campaign for president again this December, I said that I was exactly where I wanted to be in the Movement for a People’s Party. I explained to the staffers who were officially preparing his run that what this country really needs is a people’s party. I told them that tens of thousands of us in MPP and the majority of Americans now want a major new party.

Bernie Sanders would make a transformative president. He could even win if he ran as an independent. But over the past three years, the Democratic Party has expanded its control over its presidential primary to ensure that a neoliberal wins again.

Even the best chess player in the world can't win a rigged game.

The primary rules have determined the result months before the first vote is cast, leaving just a veneer of democracy to keep us hoping that this time might be different. Furthermore, as a private corporation with no accountability to its members or voters, the Democratic Party has the power to change the primary rules and violate them at will.

Amazingly, the DNC itself confirmed this in open court testimony in 2017, when sued for defrauding millions of Bernie supporters during his first presidential run. Instead of accepting responsibility, the Party said it has the right to rig its primaries and pre-select the candidates in 2020 and beyond.

In the Democratic primary, the Party establishment is simultaneously the game maker, the opposing chess player, the referee, and the one who can change the rules mid-game. In those kinds of conditions, the game is just for show.

In fact, if this was not true, the Democratic Party would be of no use to the banks and corporations that invest billions into it for the very purpose of maintaining the status quo. Nor would it be of any use to the nearly 100 lobbyists who run the Party directly from the National Committee.

Corporate contributions are not charity.

The stakes for working people and the planet are far too high to entrust change to political parties run by corporations. Bernie himself taught us that there is no such thing as a people’s party that is bankrolled by Wall Street.

We cannot do the same thing time after time and expect different results. We need solutions that are proportionate to the scale of the problems that we face. The majority of Americans want a major new party because that is what it will take to achieve real change.

With a party that fights alongside our movements rather than against them, we can complete the political revolution. In the midst of endless election cycles, we must find the clarity and the courage to build a permanent solution.

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@Lookout

he volunteered to work on Sanders' 2020 run knowing that it would be done through the Democratic party.

He is quite right, of course, that the US needs more parties. However, in the current trap of the two party system, there is no way that Sanders could win running as third party at this time. Both parties would ensure that.

It is kind of funny (not the ha ha kind) that people keep trying to put the impetus on Sanders for breaking up the Democrat's hold on the primary rather than heeding his words that one person cannot bring about these changes alone, but that it will take the masses to achieve change. So once again, if the people ensure that Sanders has massive wins, there will be nothing the Dem party can do.

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@WindDancer13 She blew it on Sanders and his foreign policy beliefs. Rec'd!!

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@dfarrah
After the convention Bernie was not the same. When he signed on with the Russia, Russia crowd, he lost my support. I'd vote for him for POTUS but on foreign policy, he is either intentionally ignorant or afraid of the MIC. I'm even a little uncomfortable with his recent focus on ID Pol. It sounds like he has decided to do whatever it takes to win this time.
Tulsi knows the cost of war first-hand and is not afraid to speak the truth about it. I don't think she will be treated fairly by the DNC but she needs to be on the debate stage.
I hope you will all hear her out, and then make a donation. She gets my $27 every month.

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TULSI 2020

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CT I know but there was a definitive change at the convention.

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@Lookout , After California.

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@chuckutzman caucus for either one.

If it comes down to a choice between them at the caucus, I'll have to think further.

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@dfarrah To varying degrees I agree with almost everything she said except the part about furthering the persecution of Julian Assange and I see no reason to believe it automatically comes like it was in a package with the other stuff. I can't see Bernie arguing that the UN report which ruled Julian Assange was being "arbitrarily detained" should be ignored (which the UK did after they lost their appeal of the ruling).
However I don't hear anything about his idea of a solution to it all but he certainly can't be unaware of the treatment Chelsea Manning received (or Kiriakou or Sterling or Binney or Drake and others) and what awaits Julian Assange for exposing the crimes of governments if he is handed over to the US.
I don't think the sense of Justice is gone from Bernie Sanders by a long shot and on a case like Assange's he would have to attack him from the 'right' on civil rights, international law, and human rights which I don't expect to see in his 'toolbox'.
That's not to say Bernie could/would give it very little attention (unless a lot of public pressure happened) or any attention at all and just let it as Obama said about the DAPL fight "let it play out' aka do nothing.

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the tilt of your kilt on this.

Heh!

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Time for this one to come home.

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@EdMass
'thank you' in Scottish Gaelic

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@Lookout
goes back to MacDonnell of Glengary.

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but sure feel an affinity for Gaelic culture. One of the most powerful experiences of my life was a visit to Orkney.
Skara Brae
Maeshowe
the ring of brodgar
and many other powerful paleolithic sites...an echo of the past.

Guid cheerio the nou!

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our mutual affinity for a certain genre of music.

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Some comments here echo my thoughts on why too

You may have noticed that the MSM rarely even mentions her as a candidate. They exclude her in many polls. The way in which they sideline her makes me think she better represents the people than the corporations.

This from the essay is the biggest and the argument I made to a Bernie supporter I know.

Also check out Tim Canova interview on Jimmy Dore (Youtube). The way bernie went from supporting him to disavowing him makes me suspicous if the democRATS have him compromised.

If Bernie is allowed to win the nomination, the REAL TEST is to see who his VP pick is.
If his VP pick is Tulsi (my 2nd overall choice) or Nina Turner (my 1st overall choice) I will be happy. If it is a corporate warmongerer like i think it will be, don't pop any champagne corks for Bernie's win.
Bernie will be 80 when he enters office, we could see both the democRATS and repuglicans pull an unfit for office due to mental health/decline issues and put the corporate VP choice in.

If that sounds cynical, well maybe it is. But seeing the crap that has been pulled for years, and the crap pulled on Perot (yes, I believe TPTB DID threaten his family) I have next to no faith in the integrity of the system.

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When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!

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I have next to no faith in the integrity of the system.

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@Lookout

gave us Hillary Clinton v. Donald Trump? /s

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that really got my attention because I was unaware of how 'they' can, and will, keep Tulsi's voice off the stage at the debates.
He said to be eligible to participate in the debate(s) Tulsi must have 65k contributors to her campaign, the amount doesn't matter just the number. I'll post a link to it at the bottom and if you want to look just at the part I mention it is at 18:00 minute point in the twenty minute show.

So I think that message should be spread to the supporters of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren because whether or not they will vote for Tulsi they should feel the need to support the message she can give to the people in the Country watching or listening to the debates.

Like it or not Tulsi is the only one that will be on that stage that unabashedly criticizes the regime change wars that cost so many lives,so many futures, destroys so many Countries, pollutes more than any other operation on earth and with lies sold to the general Public under a banner of humanitarianism (for killing).
What adds to it all is that she is a veteran and that makes her argument less open to the common criticism used against non vets that they don't know what they are talking about, not gonna happen here so her main points can't be easily attacked as 'uninformed'.
All while dedicated anti-war people, especially most veterans tuning in I can imagine hearing them cheering and remember that one of the things that got tRump elected were votes in regions where many had lost friends and family members and survivors still suffering from it all (on both sides).
Trump got rousing cheers when he sold the image of opposing war(s) and about how the US military should not be involved in so many wars. Of course it was all lies and not too different from what we hear from both side of the political aisle in election season which will mean more people voting.

I need to not ignore Bernie Sanders as I've cheered every time when on stage when he mentions the 'coup' in Iran in 1953 with the CIA overthrowing the Democratically elected leader, Mohammad Mossadegh and installing the the dictatorial Shah because Mossadegh wanted Iran's oil owned by the govt. and for used for the benefit of the Iranian people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwwaaiSvxTc&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=...

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I posted one of her tweets asking for donations for this very purpose. There is a link in to donate via Act Blue. As I said, $1 will do.

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@dkmich I guess I was so surprised to hear it and suspected it wasn't too well known and absolutely unlikely to appear on msm that I jumped at posting it here.

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@aliasalias

...and Amy Klobuchar is a corporate tool isn't she?

Bernie speaks many truths.

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I don't think she stands a chance.

Bernie raised 6 million in 24 hours and he might not even make it out of the primary alive. (I see nothing he has done differently than he did four years ago.)

Meanwhile, Tulsi she is pleading for $1 from everyone so she can make it to the primary debate stage. That said, I am going to donate a modest amount to her, though more than $1, simply because I do want her to make it to the debates. Anyone who thinks she should be there should also donate, regardless of which candidate he or she is backing. JMO

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@HenryAWallace

Bernie stands the best chance, but I can't help but pull for Tulsi. Thanks for the help to the debate stage!

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@Lookout

but we still may well have to face nominee Harris this summer.

US Politics

FUBAR

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@HenryAWallace

But it's a loooong time (and yet just a minute) till the convention in summer of 2020.

Things happen so fast and unpredictably. We'll see what we see.

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@HenryAWallace are helping him, right? Wink

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in US-European-ME-relations than Sanders. She needs to visit and tour Europe. She is more courageous than Sanders on foreign policy issues too. She is a woman I could imagine to be the first female President of the US and it would be quite a good sign, if she could become it.
I think she would be well loved and respected all over the world. Na ja, may be I am naive.

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@mimi
I am too. I still dream of things that could be.

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It is all about PEACE for me. I posted in 2015 over at the other place that I could never support the evil queen because of her war mongering. There are sins of commission like the above evil queen and there are sins of omission like nearly every Democrat on the public stage. Tulsi Gabbard is the exception.

I did not spend nearly every Saturday with a local Peace vigil because it was simply a social gathering. I did it because I believe that until we rid this country of the blood sucking and blood letting vampires of the military/ banker/industrial complex, this country and the world will devolve into chaos, especially with climate change looming like the sword of Damocles.

Not only is Tulsi Gabbard the only candidate who is bringing the issue of our war mongering/regime changing government into the public discussion, but she is the only candidate who has shown me that she has the leadership skills to confront those thorny issues and make those difficult decisions. The more I learn about Tulsi, the more I am convinced that this country needs her or someone with the backbone like her to stand up to the deep state.

Bernie is definitely my second choice for the Dems even though his foreign policy statements are sometimes cringe worthy. There is no other Dem that I will support and that includes the weasely Elizabeth Warren.

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@gulfgal98

RT has the article on it and my Twitter feed is loaded with it.

Megan McCain..ugh. The tone she took with Tulsi made me want to slap her. It was her own damn daddy that made the rounds with AQ and ISIS leaders and it's them that were using chemical weapons on Syrians. But for Megan it's wrong for anyone to try to get people to see that it's this country that is going around using chemical weapons in its illegal wars. Depleted uranium and white phosphorus were used in Iraq and Syria, but let's pretend that our poop aren't smelly.

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@snoopydawg

that Tulsi was portraying Maduro, Assad, Qaddafi, etc were dictators. At least on the View this AM (see links in essay) If so, then T-rump is a dictator too. She partially redeems herself in arguing our invasion (for humanitarian reasons - yeah right) result in worse lives for the people in those countries, and promotes more terrorism making the US less safe.

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is military. If she thinks Assad is a brutal dictator, she's no doubt right. If she thinks he has used chemical weapons on his own people, she may know something we don't know. Her point is that WHAT WE HAVE DONE in supplying Al Qaeda, ISIS and their thug partners with enough weaponry to destroy Syria in our effort to proxy the Saudi assault on Syria is WORSE.

Even Joe Biden said this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29528482

… "Our biggest problem was our allies," Mr Biden told students at the Harvard Kennedy School.
"The Turks… the Saudis, the Emirates, etc, what were they doing? They were so determined to take down (Syrian President Bashar al) Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war, what did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens, thousands of tonnes of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad."

These policies ended up helping militants linked to al-Qaeda and ultimately IS, he said.

Even Hillary Clinton said this:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

On Aug 17, 2014 3:50 PM, "H"
wrote:
Note: Sources include Western intelligence, US intelligence and sources in the region.

… While this military/para-military operation is moving forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region...

And especially our Defense Information Agency under Michael Flynn said this:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287...

… THE GENERAL SITUATION:

A. INTERNALLY, EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION.

B. THE SALAFIST, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.

C. THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION; WHILE RUSSIA, CHINA, AND IRAN SUPPORT THE REGIME.

… C. IF THE SITUATION UNRAVELS THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE STRATEGIC DEPTH OF THE SHIA EXPANSION (IRAQ AND IRAN).

D. THE DETERIORATION OF THE SITUATION HAS DIRE CONSEQUENCES ON THE IRAQI SITUATION AND ARE AS FOLLOWS:

--1. THIS CREATES THE IDEAL ATMOSPHERE FOR AQI TO RETURN TO ITS OLD POCKETS IN MOSUL AND RAMADI, AND WILL PROVIDE A RENEWED MOMENTUM UNDER THE PRESUMPTION OF UNIFYING THE JIHAD AMONG SUNNI IRAQ AND SYRIA… ISI COULD ALSO DECLARE AN ISLAMIC STATE THROUGH ITS UNION WITH OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA, WHICH WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION OF ITS TERRITORY...

I don't give a shit how many ways the liberal media try to make her into an Assad apologist. She and the members of our military who criticize our bad policy are not supporters of Assad. They are critics of our bad policy of supporting Al Qaeda and Salafist head choppers.

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@Linda Wood

as this tweet says. This isn't the only tweet that is pointing that out. I know that she is against regime change and our arming terrorists, etc. my post is only about what was said on the View and about Megan's dad palling around with terrorists.

Sheesh. Guess no one has read my other comments about Tulsi here.

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@snoopydawg

if she re-evaluated after the AM Joe attacks to concede the dictator point in order to drive home the fact that these wars have made things worse not better. Otherwise is was a constant argument about if these leaders are bad. As if...
bad leader = destabilize the country + civilian deaths + steal their resources

Just speculating, not excusing though.

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I didn't mean to express my anger at you or at the points being made in your comment. You are a stalwart of research and contribution here towards peace and justice. My anger is at the media's assertion that anyone in our military who criticizes the corrupt, treasonous, failed policy of arming terrorists against a dictator is somehow soft on dictators!

And, yes, it disheartens me to read that she has said Assad has used chemical weapons on his own people because I think each of the supposed cases we have been misled about has turned out, after much scrutiny, to have been a false flag attack. But maybe she knows something we don't know about those or other cases.

Even so, what we have done in response has made matters immeasurably worse. I think you and I agree here, and I apologize if my anger overwhelmed my comment and landed on you instead of on the mainstream media.

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@gulfgal98

Stopping our insane war economy is not only important it also begins to deal with the climate problem. https://www.projectcensored.org/2-us-department-of-defense-is-the-worst-...

...and provides funding that could be used for social services and a green new deal. Our future hinges on this issue. Our national morality (if we ever had any) has been squandered.

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@Lookout We cannot begin to invest in our domestic economy and infrastructure, not to mention pay for Medicare for all, free college tuition, etc., until we stop the ruinous spending on overseas bases and interventions.

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@Nastarana

Do no harm. Sadly we spread ever more aggression. War in Venezuela and Iran are knocking at the door and may be rammed down our throats before we get rid of T-rump.

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@Lookout cost was my most effective talking point. Although my personal reason for doing the Peace vigil was the moral and ethical reasons, that is not an effective way to bridge the political gap. We had a lot of self described conservatives stop to talk to us. Some approached us with initial antagonism. And then we would bring up the fiscal cost of these wars. Most folks were shocked to find out just how much these wars were costing the US taxpayers. It helped them to make the link of why things were falling apart here in the homeland and why waging endless war was so wasteful. This is why I have been surprised that Bernie has not used this approach in his campaign.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." Sun Tzu

"Propaganda is one hell of a drug." Abby Martin

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@gulfgal98

resonates across the political and social spectrum. I always wondered why Bernie didn't make it a major plank. I do appreciate his focus on the "too big the fail" banks and other economic issues - medicare 4 all, $15/hr, etc. - and think he is much better than Warren on these points.

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And I mean the State of Isreal, which should go without mention...

Seems to me that support for the State of Israel as a global superpower puts you smack dab in a world of extra-territorial intrigue. Essentially supporting the State of Israel is incompatible with non-interventionism.

Practically, can you have both? I wondered similarly about Bernie's FP, but it wasn't such a clear cut Achilles heel in his case...

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@k9disc

Can You Be For Non-Intervention and Support Israel?

I finally figured out that Israel is a big part of the arms business. Spreading war and chaos improves the bottom line. The US also uses this strategy as the leading merchants of war. We're in business together causing death and destruction. Israel sent trainers and advisors to Brazil last week in order to prepare for a Venezuelan invasion.

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Them from stealing elections is to provide armed guards around the voting places and armed escorts for all ballots being transported. And tons of witnesses.

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I supported Bernie last time around, and I would be okay if he ended up being president, but it makes me nervous him parroting all the neolib talking points about Russiagate, etc. He does seem to have been influenced.

Tulsi speaks truth, but it is correct she is nowhere near as popular as Bernie. That's because she's still not visible to most people--perhaps the caucuses and primaries in the initial states will change that. If she gets into the debates, perhaps that will change that.

I do know she would wipe Trump off the map in an election--she has wide cross-appeal. I hope she gets the nomination, but if not, I hope Bernie gets the nomination and takes her on as VP.

Why VP? Bernie is old. There is a fair chance that, just because of his age, he would pass away in his first or second terms of office. Then, Tulsi would step in as a worthy first woman president. Or even more ideally, Bernie would serve two terms, people would want more of it, and Tulsi would win the following election and serve two more terms after Bernie! Sixteen years of progressive leadership!!!

A guy can dream . . .

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that Bernie never called out the DNC and instead adopted the russiagate narrative (which I find absurd).

Tulsi has been calling out corrupt pols on both sides of the aisle. We'll see what we'll see.

Thanks for your comment.

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@Lookout
that the shutdown was the result of both Parties being unwilling to sit down and work out a compromise. She didn't come out and say it, but it seemed obvious to me, that she felt both sides were playing politics and didn't really give a rat's ass about the "issues" involved. And they sure didn't care about the hardship inflicted on furloughed workers.

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TULSI 2020

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It's easy to imagine 2020 being a repeat of 2016. I'm sure the Democrats already have a plan in place for how 2020 is to be rigged, perhaps following the plan laid out in 2016. Remember the lawyers' defense against the lawsuit against the DNC: the Democratic Party is not legally obliged to offer fair primaries.

It's also easy to imagine two neoliberals running against each other and the public gearing up for another four years of getting nothing. Bernie will lose again and endorse the Democrat again. Maybe this time around Biden or whomever will win or something like that, though. Remember that Trump only won through razor-thin margins in the upper Midwest and that if he'd lost two or three of those states he'd have lost. The Democrat winner in 2020 will try to imitate the successful formula of Clinton and Obama -- look sharp and be neoliberal. And we will all have died having changed nothing about America or the world.

Well that's what it's easy to imagine. Our Revolution clearly wasn't enough to change the culture of American politics -- we need another organization, one dedicated to that. Lessons can be learned from, for instance, the Zapatistas, or the South Central Farmers. When my situation with a forthcoming inheritance (or lack thereof) settles down I hope to form such an organization.

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@Cassiodorus

Right after they all recovered from the shock of losing to the Orange Hairball

I'm sure the Democrats already have a plan in place for how 2020 is to be rigged, perhaps following the plan laid out in 2016.

For me personally, that was the only glint of light in that entire fiasco of an Election. The DNC power machine having to eat shit on election night. Oh, the sweet satisfaction when Hillary couldn't even bring HERself to come out and give a concession speech and thank her many fervent supporters. The shock of it all. As if none of them couldn't see HER losing as obviously as watching a train rolling down the tracks.

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If we surrendered to earth's intelligence we could rise up rooted, like trees
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@Cassiodorus South Central Farmers, but do try to learn from their mistakes. In a state where rents are outrageously high, and practically no landlords, including minority landlords, I might add, won't no how anyhow allow tenants to garden, a message of "What about our community?" wasn't going to get much public support. I looked at a house being rented out by a couple from Mexico. Not only was the rent high, but the man and his son did all the yard care, the tenant had no say in what was planted, or, presumably, when it was sprayed and with what chemical brew. They could charge extra rent for having a "nice yard", but it didn't look like the tenant got to use said yard.

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@Nastarana Revolt would really be a bonus at this point.

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"The sustainable and just civilization that we hope to create... cannot be built using a capitalist economy" - Kim Stanley Robinson

@Cassiodorus the excesses of the Ancien Regime, including its' tax free status, until the day when the price of wheat rose beyond what Parisian housewives could pay. Balzac details in Pere Goriot just how that wheat price was deliberately manipulated. No need to assume conspiracy, greed provides a perfectly sufficient explanation, though of course there were conspiracies waiting for a sparks they could fan into bonfires.

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Nastarana

Can't bring myself to watch this.
What happened?

https://www.rt.com/usa/452095-tulsi-gabbard-the-view-mccain/

Edit. snoopy has this upthread. missed it,sorry.

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debates. Her anti-war stance is desperately needed in the conversation. In the end, I believe Bernie will have a better chance and if he makes it to the presidency Tulsi should definitely be in his cabinet maybe VP. Good article here on Venezuela: The War on Venezuela is Built on Lies

John Pilger one of my all time favorite journalists. A couple snips:

“Of the 92 elections that we’ve monitored,” said former President Jimmy Carter, whose Carter Centre is a respected monitor of elections around the world, “I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world.” By way of contrast, said Carter, the US election system, with its emphasis on campaign money, “is one of the worst”.
~snip~
In 2018, Maduro was re-elected President. A section of the opposition boycotted the election, a tactic tried against Chavez. The boycott failed: 9,389,056 people voted; sixteen parties participated and six candidates stood for the presidency. Maduro won 6,248,864 votes, or 67.84 per cent.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020

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