“Biden's in the driver's seat!"

I just can't get over how the establishment keeps trying to convince us that Joe Biden is the answer.

The latest Zogby Analytics Poll shows the former Delaware senator doing 50 percent better than Sanders, the 2016 Democratic runner-up to Hillary Clinton, who lost to President Trump.

“Biden's in the driver's seat! Biden is the favorite, even with Michelle Obama in the race; Sanders in second place,” said the poll analysis provided to Secrets.

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There are lots of polls showing the same thing.

CNN poll: Most Democrats say bring on Biden
Poll: Biden leads Dems by 11 points in Iowa

It's almost painful to watch.
So I did a search "Biden grassroots excitement" and I got a couple hits, but it wasn't what the Biden campaign had in mind.
This might be the only time you ever see something honest in the WashPost.

Even as Biden leads in speculative polls, even as some senior Democrats insist he could roll past President Trump, few in the party — including his rivals — are treating him like a front runner.
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In general, you can identify three reasons why they believe Biden, unlike previous front-runners, was not scaring anyone. These people are paid to elect somebody else, but this is the chatter happening when Democrats turn off the microphones.

Where's the grass-roots support? Multiple operatives described Biden as a genuinely beloved figure among Democratic voters but not one who had turned his popularity into a real network of support.
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Sanders and Warren have used that network to launch legislative pressure campaigns and organize bustling campaign events; Biden has not.

“Just in neutral, technical terms, I don't think Biden's seen as being on the cutting edge of grass-roots organizing,” another operative said. “Traditionally, his base has been high-dollar donors.”

He's a phony, donor-class candidate, just like Harris.
Does that sound familiar? This is from 2015, and it's still true.

So, enter Joe Biden? Really? Is there any grassroots groundswell calling on Biden to run? I sure can’t hear it. It seems like the biggest fans of a potential Biden run are political journalists looking to cover a more exciting horse race, and some Democratic insiders who look at the same polls as cited above and want an establishment insider — any insider — to be the alternative to Hillary rather than Sanders. It’s almost as though they’d rather lose the election with Biden — which would still maintain control of the Democratic party by the establishment Party elite — than to win with Sanders.

And Democrats would almost certainly lose with Biden. It’s hard to think of a national Democrat, other than Biden, with a worse chance to win the Presidency than Hillary.

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Pricknick's picture

On the other hand he was a vice president.
For a fake.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

CB's picture

@Pricknick
Damn! I don't remember that. Under what president?

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@CB thanks for offering up another rimshot. clank!

"My mother believed and my father believed that if I wanted to be president of the United States, I could be, I could be Vice President!" --Joe Biden, campaigning in Youngstown, Ohio, May 16, 2012

run joe run

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Cassiodorus's picture

@CB I'm sure it seemed like a safe choice at the time.

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"Earth is our only home" - Kim Stanley Robinson

Pluto's Republic's picture

...that's calling the shots. Julian Castro will go in as Veep.

This is how it's worked since Woodrow Wilson.

Personally, I believe 2020 belongs to the Independents. It's their's for the taking, if they have the will to go for it.

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snoopydawg's picture

Not only these things,

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but there are a lot of videos of him and his hands wondering over girls and women's bodies. I have about 15 videos showing that.

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The public has been conditioned over time—in ways that would make Pavlov’s dawg seem like an in independent thinker

@snoopydawg All the greatest hits, all in one place. Does it come in 24"x36"?

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@snoopydawg will be the dagger that destroys his ambition.

Wait until this goes viral on college campuses, in high schools and to parents struggling to educate their children.

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NYCVG

@NYCVG https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-says-millennials-dont-have-it-tough-7...

So he’s clueless and tone deaf to boot.

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didn't explain what Obama's "Forward" slogan (pretty empty) really meant.It was a person highly skilled in understanding law, which definitely includes criminal law,does not prosecute anyone that records show were guilty of war crimes such as perpetrating torture or complicit in it's operation, planning and/or funding.
In fact his failing to prosecute a war crime is a crime in itself under international law, and if I know this you can be damn well sure Obama did and undoubtedly to a much more intricate understanding of it than myself.
But with this looking 'forward',he was treating those horrid crimes as nothing of enough concern in which to engage the Country (what a heart) all we had to do was click our heels and it is all gone, time for a fresh start so quit thinking about it and let's move 'forward"!
The past is over or was it really over as he proceeded to prosecute more whistle blowers than all prior Presidents combined? All of those alleged 'crimes' certainly happened in the past and he used a law from the WW1 era to limit their ability to present a real defense.

check this out, not totally related to the particular subject above but certainly not unrelated....
https://www.blackagendareport.com/how-stupid-do-stacey-abrams-lucy-mcbat...

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contrary to all of you, who must have archives of material about Joe Biden to prove anything you want to prove, all I remember is that I couldn't understand how father Joe Biden imo used his son's service in the military (National Guard) in Iraq. Beau Biden's military service according to Wikipedia ... :

Military service

Biden (that is Beau Biden) joined the military in 2003[9] as a member of the Delaware Army National Guard and was a Major in the Judge Advocate General's Corps as part of the 261st Signal Brigade in Smyrna, Delaware.[10][11]

(Beau) Biden's unit was activated to deploy to Iraq on October 3, 2008, and sent to Fort Bliss, Texas, for pre-deployment training,[12] the day after his father participated in the 2008 presidential campaign's only vice presidential debate. His father was on the record as saying, "I don't want him going. But I tell you what, I don't want my grandson or my granddaughters going back in 15 years, and so how we leave makes a big difference."[13]

(Beau) Biden traveled to Washington, D.C., from Iraq in January 2009 for the presidential inauguration and his father's swearing-in as Vice President,[14] then returned to Iraq.[15] Biden received a visit at Camp Victory from his father on July 4, 2009.[16] (Beau) Biden returned from Iraq in September 2009, his yearlong stint on active duty complete.[17] Biden had announced that during his deployment he would continue to actively serve as Delaware's Attorney General by working in conjunction with his office's senior staff in Delaware,[18] although a member of his unit related Biden saying he had turned over most of his attorney general work to his deputy so as to focus on his duties in Iraq.[19] For his service in Iraq, Biden was awarded a Bronze Star.[20] Army Chief of Staff Raymond Odierno presented Biden with the Legion of Merit for his service in the Delaware National Guard, stating "Beau Biden possessed the traits I have witnessed in only the greatest leaders." [21] He was also posthumously presented with The Delaware Conspicuous Service Cross, which is "awarded for heroism, meritorious service and outstanding achievement." [22]

....served father Joe Biden somehow. Was it a tragedy that Beau Biden survived his military service in Iraq and then later died of brain cancer?

I might get this totally wrong, but I wonder why that hung around in my memory. At least I would have given a lot, if my son hadn't been sent to Iraq in 2003 and if I had understood what this will do to him and me and us all - right on time -. I feel guilty of not having prevented my son accepting military service ... for a paycheck. My son says bitterly today that the military service is not worth a regular paycheck. But that paycheck also doesn't make him a capitalist pig as some here on C99p seem to believe.

So, if at all father Biden is in the driver's seat, he should have driven the car by himself and not let the car been driven by his son.

But I feel that I might have gotten soemthing wrong about this father-son relations and both of their political career intentions. So, please correct me, all those discussions here confuse me a lot.

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@mimi but joining the military make doesn't anyone a capitalist pig. Whatever reason they joined they're still our kids, our nephews and nieces, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers. We raise and feed and clothe them until the military assumes "ownership". When they're done with them they send them back, sometimes broken, always changed, back to us. Sometimes they drink the koolaid and live by FOX news, but they're still ours. I can't tell you what to feel, but kids grow up, and we can't make them do or tell them anything they don't want to. Sometimes, we learn together how bad a choice can be.

From what I read, Beau Biden went in as an Officer, in the legal branch of the military as a lawyer, and the Bronze Star was awarded for serving in a war zone. I think the bronze star would have a "V' if it was awarded for valor. Beau Biden came from a position of privilege, and if you believe serving in the military is inherently good, he served when he didn't have to go. With his father being a Senator, then VP, I'm not sure he the gov. would let him go into combat unless he wanted to go.

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@Snode 95% of the time these days it means "Something Blew up in your general Vicinity". The few officers that deserve it went on patrols, and their men know who they are. I seriously doubt Biden, especially with his style, went outside the wire more than once or twice. I guarantee if there was a combat action that he earned it for, he wasn't the one who did anything.

But hey, he outranks the people who saw it, so... you saw me be the hero, Right Sergeant?

Any answer other than "Sir Yes Sir!" won't get you that Army Achievement Medal you need for promotion.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks Hoping you would chime in, that's what I tried to say but I'm out of my league here.

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@Snode Serving overseas these days does tend to open your eyes, especially for the enlisted. You get a whole new appreciation for Kipling, for example.

However, the one thing that anybody who went outside the wire was struck by was the hypocrisy. When you come home and see it on the streets, and nobody saying anything, looking at anybody else, or trying to be noticed, you realize it's come home.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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@Snode
or of many other kids from the rich elite political minded families (be it Democrat or Republican ones), the kids can't be responsible for what their parents do, but the parents are responsible for what they do themselves. That the parents often have no clue what effect they have on their kids is nothing new, but it can be somewhat tragic sometimes.

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@mimi Beau Biden was Attorney General for the state of Maryland, and was running for Governor when he was diagnosed with cancer. I don't know if that was his own ambition, or was his fathers or both. Either way, military service would add polish to his political pedigree.

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Run Joe Run! LOL Bidenisms

"I guess what I'm trying to say without boring you too long at breakfast—and you all look dull as hell, I might add. The dullest audience I have ever spoken to. Just sitting there, staring at me. Pretend you like me!" --Joe Biden, teasing a crowd of Turkish-American and Azerbaijani-American Obama donors, April 27, 2012

please clap

I'm down with the comedy show. It's scary because after Trump, everyone on earth thinks they are qualified for the position. "If Trump can do it, any thing can."

"Laugh and the world laughs with you; weep and you weep alone." cheers

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Cassiodorus's picture

@eyo "As a politician, Joe Biden shares all of HRC's worst qualities and owns a few more that are uniquely his own."

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"Earth is our only home" - Kim Stanley Robinson

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The same people that ran the last Dem campaign are running this one. That is the problem. They are too egotistical to admit a mistake, even to correct it. They thought they could stick a turd we already shat back up our arses then, and they still think the same now.

The same Neera's and Brockroaches, Fbook, Google and Twitter based censorship, but now with all new NewsGuard and Integrity Institute (because Propornot and Verrit crashed and burned out of the gate), etc., are all doing the same exact thing that brought them complete and total failure last time. And will again. The only thing that changed was 2 years of Russia talk to get you to listen to who they tell you to vote for dammit. Why won't you people get it? Deplorables.

The neolib establishment dems would not only rather lose to Trump than win with Bernie, Tulsi, or AOC, they will crash and burn before they will admit fault or error.

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein

snoopydawg's picture

@dystopian

They thought they could stick a turd we already shat back up our arses then, and they still think the same now.

The rest of your comment was most excellent!

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@snoopydawg I'm sorry, I was a little crusty earlier. I'm much crustier now... Really though, I apologize for any offense.

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein

snoopydawg's picture

@dystopian

I love it and if you're crustier I'm looking forward to more gems like that.

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Pluto's Republic's picture

@dystopian

The same Neera's and Brockroaches, Fbook, Google and Twitter based censorship, but now with all new NewsGuard and Integrity Institute. [They] are all doing the same exact thing that brought them complete and total failure last time.

This time, I can't say I really blame the Democrats. They are being true to themselves. They cannot say this any more clearly:

"We do not represent the Left in America. No Party does."

The problem is with the People. They allow themselves to be bamboozled for their entire voting lives. They don't want their disenfranchisement to be true. They don't want to confront it. ("This time it's different.") The Neocons are represented on the Presidential ballot by both Parties, as usual.

The Democrats are headed for failure, again. Apparently, 2016 was their Waterloo.

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@Pluto's Republic To quote:

"We do not represent the Left in America. No Party does."

Poll after poll, survey after survey, has self identified democrats favoring all of the policy proposals Bernie pushed for in 2016. And now after 2016 and 2018 we see that same base vote for neoliberal and neocon democrats over progressives. And as pointed out, even the elected democrats who openly favored some of those policies are walking them back.

My take is that while there are a good number of progressives in the democratic party, the majority base is NOT progressive. The majority base is Hillary Clinton (and her male consort) and Joe Biden and Barak H. Obama (and now a growing leadership whose political and moral principles were cooked in the Pentagon or Intelligence Community.)

There is an idea which I certainly held at one time was that the democratic party had been illicitly taken over by the corporatists, and therefore progressives had a chance to take over to their honored positions. There is no chance that progressives can take over the democratic party, much less get Pelosi, Schumer, and whomever to bring policies like single payer to fruition even if they controlled all branches of government.

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But the question is "What can re-elect Donald Trump"?

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... 20 candidates walk in, 4 candidates walk out with any delegates. None of them will be party favorites. Oh my, how the pearls will be clutched. Mark my words, at least one pundit will call for a superdelegates-only nomination process, since the voters will obviously make the wrong choice.

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I like this world. It's not perfect, but everything I love is in it.

was thinking of sending Biden in to replace Hillary as Hillary's numbers slid. I don't believe that, any more than I believe Brazile was initially oblivious to the fact that Hillary owned the DNC, lock, stock and barrel. So, I think she mentioned him for a reason. I just don't know what the reason was.

If Democrats run Grabby Grandpa Biden, we'll know that they are panting to lose the general.

Again.

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true.

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chuck utzman

TULSI 2020

This period is a testing ground for which establishment democrat can beat Bernie and Warren. Once the donors and top establishment democrats decide on who will face Trump, then the entire democratic organization from state to national that cheated Bernie and last year groups like the Justice Democrats will kick into gear to defeat any primary challengers.

I still think Hillary can grab the nomination in a second round of convention voting.

Biden's numbers look good because Hillary's neocon, neoliberal TOP base is behind him for at least now.

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@MrWebster
will emerge in a second or third round as "a consensus choice to save the Party". In which case I hope Trump trounces her again.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness Donna said that if Hillary got sick and could not run, Donna would install Biden as the official candidate as if Bernie did not exist and had been winning a bunch of primaries. So yah, Hillary will be needed to save the party.

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