Submitted by apenultimate on Fri, 01/11/2019 - 7:43pm
Not sure what else to say. As of right now, even if she runs as a Democrat (not confirmed as of yet--the announcement will come next week), I'll support her.
@The Liberal Moonbat
the Camel = Kamala Harris.
Spartacus = Cory Booker who released restricted records during a Senate committee hearing on RussiaRussiaRussia. He named himself and it stuck.
During a visit to the man's workplace, Booker's accuser says the Senator "pulled me into the restroom," and "put his left hand on my groin, over my jeans and began to rub," before pushing the man down on his knees for "what was clearly a move to have me perform oral sex on him." The man says he "pulled away quite violently" and told Booker he had to leave.
Early in her career, Gabbard took after her father. She opposed abortion and supported a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. After Honolulu Magazine emailed her father to ask about his former ties to a conservative Hare Krishna splinter group for a 2004 profile, it was Gabbard who replied angrily, accusing the magazine of “acting as a conduit for The Honolulu Weekly and other homosexual extremist supporters of Ed Case [her father’s opponent].” The same year, she used her platform as a state representative to testify against civil unions, calling the claim that they were different from same-sex marriage “dishonest, cowardly, and extremely disrespectful to the people of Hawaii,” who had voted in favor of Constitutional Amendment 2 in 1998, empowering the legislature to withhold marriage from same-sex couples.
“As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists,” she said at the time.
Gabbard has since done a 180, citing her military service in the Middle East as the impetus for her conversion to social liberalism.
And she refused to debate an opponent who will primary her
Early in her career, Gabbard took after her father. She opposed abortion and supported a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. After Honolulu Magazine emailed her father to ask about his former ties to a conservative Hare Krishna splinter group for a 2004 profile, it was Gabbard who replied angrily, accusing the magazine of “acting as a conduit for The Honolulu Weekly and other homosexual extremist supporters of Ed Case [her father’s opponent].” The same year, she used her platform as a state representative to testify against civil unions, calling the claim that they were different from same-sex marriage “dishonest, cowardly, and extremely disrespectful to the people of Hawaii,” who had voted in favor of Constitutional Amendment 2 in 1998, empowering the legislature to withhold marriage from same-sex couples.
“As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists,” she said at the time.
Gabbard has since done a 180, citing her military service in the Middle East as the impetus for her conversion to social liberalism.
And she refused to debate an opponent who will primary her
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That's a good thing in my book. She has consistently spoke out for and same-sex rights and for abortion rights since she was in the military. She supported legislation for such as well. Voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, etc. She has become more progressive over time, not less.
The things that stand out to me are:
--Unlike Obama, her voting record generally defends her progressive stances on things
--She was willing to be anti-establishment during and after the 2016 elections. She attacked Hillary's minions constantly.
--She has consistently been on shows like Jimmy Dore, Joe Rogan, etc. unlike mainstream politicians.
Agreed that the Hindu nationalist thing is weird, but I have no direct knowledge of it, and frankly it seems pretty minor overall.
Early in her career, Gabbard took after her father. She opposed abortion and supported a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. After Honolulu Magazine emailed her father to ask about his former ties to a conservative Hare Krishna splinter group for a 2004 profile, it was Gabbard who replied angrily, accusing the magazine of “acting as a conduit for The Honolulu Weekly and other homosexual extremist supporters of Ed Case [her father’s opponent].” The same year, she used her platform as a state representative to testify against civil unions, calling the claim that they were different from same-sex marriage “dishonest, cowardly, and extremely disrespectful to the people of Hawaii,” who had voted in favor of Constitutional Amendment 2 in 1998, empowering the legislature to withhold marriage from same-sex couples.
“As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists,” she said at the time.
Gabbard has since done a 180, citing her military service in the Middle East as the impetus for her conversion to social liberalism.
And she refused to debate an opponent who will primary her
That's a good thing in my book. She has consistently spoke out for and same-sex rights and for abortion rights since she was in the military. She supported legislation for such as well. Voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, etc. She has become more progressive over time, not less.
The things that stand out to me are:
--Unlike Obama, her voting record generally defends her progressive stances on things
--She was willing to be anti-establishment during and after the 2016 elections. She attacked Hillary's minions constantly.
--She has consistently been on shows like Jimmy Dore, Joe Rogan, etc. unlike mainstream politicians.
Agreed that the Hindu nationalist thing is weird, but I have no direct knowledge of it, and frankly it seems pretty minor overall.
Also, the hit pieces on the Intercept can't be divorced from Omidyar's history of supporting regime change. He donated millions to facilitate regime change in Ukraine. He also owns the Civil Beat in Hawaii that invariably slants the coverage about Tulsi.
Early in her career, Gabbard took after her father. She opposed abortion and supported a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. After Honolulu Magazine emailed her father to ask about his former ties to a conservative Hare Krishna splinter group for a 2004 profile, it was Gabbard who replied angrily, accusing the magazine of “acting as a conduit for The Honolulu Weekly and other homosexual extremist supporters of Ed Case [her father’s opponent].” The same year, she used her platform as a state representative to testify against civil unions, calling the claim that they were different from same-sex marriage “dishonest, cowardly, and extremely disrespectful to the people of Hawaii,” who had voted in favor of Constitutional Amendment 2 in 1998, empowering the legislature to withhold marriage from same-sex couples.
“As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists,” she said at the time.
Gabbard has since done a 180, citing her military service in the Middle East as the impetus for her conversion to social liberalism.
And she refused to debate an opponent who will primary her
“As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists,”
So only homosexual extremists wanted to get all of the protections that marriage offered straight people? I'm not going to say what I want about this. But I'd like to know why she changed her thinking about this. And the other things that she used to be against and is now for. I will not vote ala carte for people anymore. It's the whole deal or no deal and if that makes me a purist so be it.
1. Many people do a philosophical 180 after a stint in the military. If she can explain that it's a positive.
2. Bernie doesn't run. (I consider that decided, or she would not run herself)
3. After getting blatantly cheated on Super Tuesday she withdraws from the Democrats and accepts the Green Party nomination.
4. Bernie campaigns for her. (if Bernie supports the Democrat the Republican wins and he goes down in history as the "man who killed democracy")
5. The Democrats run Biden, or Gillibrand, or Booker, or... (anyone except maybe Warren)
6. Trump does not decline to run for reelection. (if Trump doesn't run and the Republicans run someone the American people don't already loathe, they have a very good chance to pick up too many "anyone but" votes)
@doh1304
40+% of American voters are Trump idolators. Split the anti-Trump vote and he wins again.
1. Many people do a philosophical 180 after a stint in the military. If she can explain that it's a positive.
2. Bernie doesn't run. (I consider that decided, or she would not run herself)
3. After getting blatantly cheated on Super Tuesday she withdraws from the Democrats and accepts the Green Party nomination.
4. Bernie campaigns for her. (if Bernie supports the Democrat the Republican wins and he goes down in history as the "man who killed democracy")
5. The Democrats run Biden, or Gillibrand, or Booker, or... (anyone except maybe Warren)
6. Trump does not decline to run for reelection. (if Trump doesn't run and the Republicans run someone the American people don't already loathe, they have a very good chance to pick up too many "anyone but" votes)
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Frankly, I think a lot of people would have a lot more objectivity about elections in general if they got off the grid and spent more time in their community gardens.
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40+% of American voters are Trump idolators. Split the anti-Trump vote and he wins again.
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Frankly, I think a lot of people would have a lot more objectivity about elections in general if they got off the grid and spent more time in their community gardens.
@The Voice In the Wilderness
Historically 15% are that combination of racist right and christofascists that always vote Republican, 15% are Republicans who vote red regardless, and the last 10% are people who voted for Trump (and claim that they will vote for him again) because Hillary (and now the quisling Democrats) are really that bad. Bernie, and hopefully Tulsi, will get essentially all of that 10%. There is almost no state where Trump could win with only his solid 30%, and a similar analysis can be claimed for the corporate Democrat. Nearly everywhere Bernie (and presumably Tulsi) wins 35/32/28 The only way that the corpodems can split the vote enough (The so called "swing vote" is a myth) to win enough states to deny the progressive would be to run Warren. She could throw the election to the House, and probably result in a 3rd place Warren presidency.
Note: in a similar race, a recent mayoral race in Oakland, CA, rank choice allowed a third place (but clearly the least corrupt) candidate to win. The result was by most accounts a failure)
#11
40+% of American voters are Trump idolators. Split the anti-Trump vote and he wins again.
@doh1304
she did explain it. She said she saw the religious intolerance and realized it was wrong to force her religious beliefs on others. It was wrong for anyone to do that.
She didnt deny that personally, her Hindu beliefs are that homosexuality harms one spiritually and that she continues to have those beliefs. She doesnt believe she has the right to force those beliefs upon others, however.
Commendably American if you ask me.
1. Many people do a philosophical 180 after a stint in the military. If she can explain that it's a positive.
2. Bernie doesn't run. (I consider that decided, or she would not run herself)
3. After getting blatantly cheated on Super Tuesday she withdraws from the Democrats and accepts the Green Party nomination.
4. Bernie campaigns for her. (if Bernie supports the Democrat the Republican wins and he goes down in history as the "man who killed democracy")
5. The Democrats run Biden, or Gillibrand, or Booker, or... (anyone except maybe Warren)
6. Trump does not decline to run for reelection. (if Trump doesn't run and the Republicans run someone the American people don't already loathe, they have a very good chance to pick up too many "anyone but" votes)
@doh1304
Tulsi is young enough to run now, get her name out there, and run again after 2020.
1. Many people do a philosophical 180 after a stint in the military. If she can explain that it's a positive.
2. Bernie doesn't run. (I consider that decided, or she would not run herself)
3. After getting blatantly cheated on Super Tuesday she withdraws from the Democrats and accepts the Green Party nomination.
4. Bernie campaigns for her. (if Bernie supports the Democrat the Republican wins and he goes down in history as the "man who killed democracy")
5. The Democrats run Biden, or Gillibrand, or Booker, or... (anyone except maybe Warren)
6. Trump does not decline to run for reelection. (if Trump doesn't run and the Republicans run someone the American people don't already loathe, they have a very good chance to pick up too many "anyone but" votes)
@dfarrah
Saw it in an uber annoying video about 2019 predictions by past and current prophets. Cacey, Naustridamous, etc.
Or, the Last President. It's fantasy fiction, but some of the parallels are pretty cool. Character is Wilhelm something something von Troomp. He appoints Pence to his cabinet. Barron is his nickname. Mentioned that Troomp is reelected on the specific Tues Nov 3rd, that falls in 2020. It also said he'd return us to the gold standard, even though the Fed Reserve was not even a thing yet. Then there's the mention of the mobs outside the 5th Ave Hotel. (The annoying video commentators refer to the angry mobs protesting income inequality in the book as sounding a lot like antifa -- wrong! Pussy hats and OWS protesters are not the same, but they also say at another point in the video that we're moving back to the gold and silver standard now, and that communism is all around the world.)
But the mythos linking the congresswoman to the party’s rising left wing collapses over the critical question of how to handle the world beyond America’s shores. Like Sanders and Warren, Gabbard is acutely attuned to the left’s frustration with endless wars. What she’s offering, however, is a fatalist view starkly different from the optimistic global vision of progress they’ve been pushing into the national conversation.
On domestic matters, Gabbard is in line with her counterparts: She supports a $15 minimum wage and single-payer health care, and she says Democrats need to do more to resist money from corporations and billionaires. Yet on foreign policy, she’s gone rogue, tying the anti-intervention rhetoric adopted by nearly every Democrat (and Republicans like President Donald Trump) to embracing global leaders who flout international human rights standards and complain of persecution by American empire.
Gabbard’s language is that of the old left, holding up the U.S. government as obsessed with unwisely projecting its influence, often for the sake of monied interests ― and, she asserts, in secretive risky ways ― while neglecting its own people at home. It’s a mode that echoes the kind of anti-elite talk that Trump built his campaign around while he lied about his past position on the invasion of Iraq. (Why have politicians of both parties gotten Americans trapped in these far-away places?)
And it connects seamlessly to another Trump-style view: a deep skepticism of foreigners, particularly Muslims. Gabbard has voted to make it harder for refugees from Iraq and Syria to enter the U.S., courted Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, despite his links to anti-Muslim violence that killed hundreds, and spent years as a Fox News darling for her willingness to claim President Barack Obama was making Americans less safe by supporting Arab rebels in Syria and not using the phrase “radical Islam.” (Obama aides and many experts warn that language risks implying a problem inherent in a religion followed by 1.6 billion people; Gabbard and Trump argue the language is essential to explain the rise of groups like the Islamic State.)
I didn't know I was also an "old" lefty because I believe the U.S. is waging war unwisely for monied interests.
Kinda makes you wonder what the "new" left believes?
Here's something interesting. I saw a woman yesterday at the store wearing an "I'm Still With HER" cap on her head and a t-shirt that said "I'd rather be an American than a Republican".
How patriotic, eh?
Hard to tell the difference between the "new" left and the "old" republicans anymore.
I wonder how long this article was waiting to be published?
But the mythos linking the congresswoman to the party’s rising left wing collapses over the critical question of how to handle the world beyond America’s shores. Like Sanders and Warren, Gabbard is acutely attuned to the left’s frustration with endless wars. What she’s offering, however, is a fatalist view starkly different from the optimistic global vision of progress they’ve been pushing into the national conversation.
On domestic matters, Gabbard is in line with her counterparts: She supports a $15 minimum wage and single-payer health care, and she says Democrats need to do more to resist money from corporations and billionaires. Yet on foreign policy, she’s gone rogue, tying the anti-intervention rhetoric adopted by nearly every Democrat (and Republicans like President Donald Trump) to embracing global leaders who flout international human rights standards and complain of persecution by American empire.
Gabbard’s language is that of the old left, holding up the U.S. government as obsessed with unwisely projecting its influence, often for the sake of monied interests ― and, she asserts, in secretive risky ways ― while neglecting its own people at home. It’s a mode that echoes the kind of anti-elite talk that Trump built his campaign around while he lied about his past position on the invasion of Iraq. (Why have politicians of both parties gotten Americans trapped in these far-away places?)
And it connects seamlessly to another Trump-style view: a deep skepticism of foreigners, particularly Muslims. Gabbard has voted to make it harder for refugees from Iraq and Syria to enter the U.S., courted Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, despite his links to anti-Muslim violence that killed hundreds, and spent years as a Fox News darling for her willingness to claim President Barack Obama was making Americans less safe by supporting Arab rebels in Syria and not using the phrase “radical Islam.” (Obama aides and many experts warn that language risks implying a problem inherent in a religion followed by 1.6 billion people; Gabbard and Trump argue the language is essential to explain the rise of groups like the Islamic State.)
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But the mythos linking the congresswoman to the party’s rising left wing collapses over the critical question of how to handle the world beyond America’s shores. Like Sanders and Warren, Gabbard is acutely attuned to the left’s frustration with endless wars. What she’s offering, however, is a fatalist view starkly different from the optimistic global vision of progress they’ve been pushing into the national conversation.
On domestic matters, Gabbard is in line with her counterparts: She supports a $15 minimum wage and single-payer health care, and she says Democrats need to do more to resist money from corporations and billionaires. Yet on foreign policy, she’s gone rogue, tying the anti-intervention rhetoric adopted by nearly every Democrat (and Republicans like President Donald Trump) to embracing global leaders who flout international human rights standards and complain of persecution by American empire.
Gabbard’s language is that of the old left, holding up the U.S. government as obsessed with unwisely projecting its influence, often for the sake of monied interests ― and, she asserts, in secretive risky ways ― while neglecting its own people at home. It’s a mode that echoes the kind of anti-elite talk that Trump built his campaign around while he lied about his past position on the invasion of Iraq. (Why have politicians of both parties gotten Americans trapped in these far-away places?)
And it connects seamlessly to another Trump-style view: a deep skepticism of foreigners, particularly Muslims. Gabbard has voted to make it harder for refugees from Iraq and Syria to enter the U.S., courted Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, despite his links to anti-Muslim violence that killed hundreds, and spent years as a Fox News darling for her willingness to claim President Barack Obama was making Americans less safe by supporting Arab rebels in Syria and not using the phrase “radical Islam.” (Obama aides and many experts warn that language risks implying a problem inherent in a religion followed by 1.6 billion people; Gabbard and Trump argue the language is essential to explain the rise of groups like the Islamic State.)
...re: 2020 (stating the obvious); and, much of it is about positioning for the v.p. slot. I will say, practically speaking, as far as Tulsi Gabbard is concerned, I would NOT underestimate her ability to focus upon the U.S. south-central/southeast Asian (Indian) community, as far as fundraising and overall support is concerned. The faction has become a very, very formidable political power in certain states, not the least of which being places like NY and NJ. For instance, meet the new NJ Attorney General...
...demilitarizing US foreign policy should be among the top items on the agenda of the new Congress. Just as we are witnessing a rising movement for a visionary Green New Deal, so, too, the time has come for a New Peace Deal that repudiates endless war and the threat of nuclear war which, along with catastrophic climate change, poses an existential threat to our planet.
I like Bernie. I thought his response to T-rump's address was excellent. But no politician admits to the deep state control creating war to sell weapons. It is the basis of our economy along with the fuel to drive the military machine. So on all fronts I think it is too little too late...perhaps sunrise and extinction rebellion can swing the system.
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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
in April of 2016 at a rally in Gettysburg PA (where I went to college and lived for 10 years). Here is the link to that really. Tulsi comes in around 7:18. Enjoy.
Bernie is still my first choice, as he's brought climate change urgency, medicare for all, tuition mitigation, $15 minimum wage, jobs, and infrastructure into the mainstream, as well as inspired people like AOZ to run in the first place, and has been tireless since 2016 in pushing these issues into the foreground, from the fringe.
RE: His sheepherding, I may be mistaken, or my sources may, but I can remember reading in many places circa 2016 that one of the many hoops the Dims made Bernie jump through when he ran as a dim was that he would support the dim nominee, 'whoever' that might be (as if there were any question, with two hands on the scale for the Klinton Kreature.)
As soon as I heard about Tulsi's announcement yesterday, I went to TOP, to observe the pitchforks. They didn't waste any time! While one of her oft-mentioned sins was meeting Assad (yes: Dialogue: BAD, Endless War, GOOD! Remember when people calling themselves left burned their draft cards??? How quaint!) we all know the Unpardonable Sin was calling out HER and the DNC's corruption by resigning from that cesspool of snakes aka the DNC, and supporting Bernie (to the point she nominated him for Pres at the Dim's convention.) Their vitriol and garbage did not disappoint! Funny how quickly they throw their fucking sacred Identity Politics out the window when it suits them-- Here is a WOMAN, and (as far as white America is concerned) a WOMAN OF COLOR, but-- oopsie! Under the bus she goes! She could be female, a POC, a lesbian, other-abled, and any other identity group you could name, but- oppose the coronation? AWAY WITH YOU! lol On the other hand, I remember when the Camel (Kamela) was first being talked about for 2020, and someone on TOP criticized her for, oh, any one of her 10,000 Neolib ways. The flying monkeys gathered, and someone actually wrote, and this was upvoted 10,000 times, "If you're criticizing Kamela, the problem is YOU!" Again, they never disappoint. So I say, Bernie-Tulsi 2020, as I can't think of a pairing better suited to make those monsters' heads explode at TOP-- they certainly must be doing something right to have earned that vitriol and knee-jerk reaction. I think Warren is their Trojan Horse to keep Bernie out, or split the progressive vote-- would much rather she stay in the senate, or be appointed head of Treasury/Banking if a progressive gets in. Yeah, don't like Bernie on Israel at all, but he does oppose anti-BDS: He tweeted just last week: "It’s absurd that the first bill during the shutdown is legislation which punishes Americans who exercise their constitutional right to engage in political activity. Democrats must block consideration of any bills that don’t reopen the government. Let's get our priorities right." He and Feinstein (ugh) a few eeks back sent a letter to Senate leaders (McConnell (R: Hell, ugh) and Schumer (D: Tel Aviv) (double ugh))opposing the legislation: “While we do not support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctons (BDS) Movement, we remain resolved to our constitutional oath to defend the right of every American to express their views peacefully without fear of actual punishment by the government.” So there's that....Booker, on the other hand, is one of the sponsors of the bill, as is Rep. Kennedy. FOR SHAME!!!!! My own feeling is that the bill, insidious, repulsive, and traitorous as it is, is essentially window-dressing (meaning its supporters want the AIPAC $ to keep coming, and for fear of being primaried) as two federal courts have already struck it down as being unconstitutional (yea think?). But still, that it's come this close tells you all you need to know about which country is actually interfering in our 'democracy....'
Democrats must block consideration of any bills that don’t reopen the government.
I'll bet he supports the bill next time it comes up, if it doesn't pass unanimously this time. He voted with everyone else (unanimous vote I believe) to move the embassy to Jerusalem. Why would he defy his masters on this one?
I do like the fact that TOP heads are exploding over anything. Shills gotta shill lol.
Bernie is still my first choice, as he's brought climate change urgency, medicare for all, tuition mitigation, $15 minimum wage, jobs, and infrastructure into the mainstream, as well as inspired people like AOZ to run in the first place, and has been tireless since 2016 in pushing these issues into the foreground, from the fringe.
RE: His sheepherding, I may be mistaken, or my sources may, but I can remember reading in many places circa 2016 that one of the many hoops the Dims made Bernie jump through when he ran as a dim was that he would support the dim nominee, 'whoever' that might be (as if there were any question, with two hands on the scale for the Klinton Kreature.)
As soon as I heard about Tulsi's announcement yesterday, I went to TOP, to observe the pitchforks. They didn't waste any time! While one of her oft-mentioned sins was meeting Assad (yes: Dialogue: BAD, Endless War, GOOD! Remember when people calling themselves left burned their draft cards??? How quaint!) we all know the Unpardonable Sin was calling out HER and the DNC's corruption by resigning from that cesspool of snakes aka the DNC, and supporting Bernie (to the point she nominated him for Pres at the Dim's convention.) Their vitriol and garbage did not disappoint! Funny how quickly they throw their fucking sacred Identity Politics out the window when it suits them-- Here is a WOMAN, and (as far as white America is concerned) a WOMAN OF COLOR, but-- oopsie! Under the bus she goes! She could be female, a POC, a lesbian, other-abled, and any other identity group you could name, but- oppose the coronation? AWAY WITH YOU! lol On the other hand, I remember when the Camel (Kamela) was first being talked about for 2020, and someone on TOP criticized her for, oh, any one of her 10,000 Neolib ways. The flying monkeys gathered, and someone actually wrote, and this was upvoted 10,000 times, "If you're criticizing Kamela, the problem is YOU!" Again, they never disappoint. So I say, Bernie-Tulsi 2020, as I can't think of a pairing better suited to make those monsters' heads explode at TOP-- they certainly must be doing something right to have earned that vitriol and knee-jerk reaction. I think Warren is their Trojan Horse to keep Bernie out, or split the progressive vote-- would much rather she stay in the senate, or be appointed head of Treasury/Banking if a progressive gets in. Yeah, don't like Bernie on Israel at all, but he does oppose anti-BDS: He tweeted just last week: "It’s absurd that the first bill during the shutdown is legislation which punishes Americans who exercise their constitutional right to engage in political activity. Democrats must block consideration of any bills that don’t reopen the government. Let's get our priorities right." He and Feinstein (ugh) a few eeks back sent a letter to Senate leaders (McConnell (R: Hell, ugh) and Schumer (D: Tel Aviv) (double ugh))opposing the legislation: “While we do not support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctons (BDS) Movement, we remain resolved to our constitutional oath to defend the right of every American to express their views peacefully without fear of actual punishment by the government.” So there's that....Booker, on the other hand, is one of the sponsors of the bill, as is Rep. Kennedy. FOR SHAME!!!!! My own feeling is that the bill, insidious, repulsive, and traitorous as it is, is essentially window-dressing (meaning its supporters want the AIPAC $ to keep coming, and for fear of being primaried) as two federal courts have already struck it down as being unconstitutional (yea think?). But still, that it's come this close tells you all you need to know about which country is actually interfering in our 'democracy....'
first question to vice-president Biden. Mister vice president, how...?
next question to Sen. Harris. Senator...
thank you, Senator Harris. Mr. Biden, how would you respond?
(40 questions later)
let me ask you, anyone who's any good, some people think your policy positions are way out on the fringe of lunatic thinking. What would you say to them that might convince them you're not a dangerous lunatic?
to Biden: what do you love about America?
to Harris: what makes America great?
to Sanders: what's with the sexual harassment in your 2016 campaign?
to Booker: what do you see for America's future?
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Sorry for the lack of references
the Camel = Kamala Harris.
Spartacus = Cory Booker who released restricted records during a Senate committee hearing on RussiaRussiaRussia. He named himself and it stuck.
Spartacus Falls? Cory Booker Accused Of Sexually Assaulting Man In Restroom
what about these things?
5 days ago in The Intercept
TULSI GABBARD IS A RISING PROGRESSIVE STAR, DESPITE HER SUPPORT FOR HINDU NATIONALISTS
In 2017
Tulsi Gabbard Is Not Your Friend
And she refused to debate an opponent who will primary her
Thanks.
Very good to know, Don!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
So She Can Change?
That's a good thing in my book. She has consistently spoke out for and same-sex rights and for abortion rights since she was in the military. She supported legislation for such as well. Voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, etc. She has become more progressive over time, not less.
The things that stand out to me are:
--Unlike Obama, her voting record generally defends her progressive stances on things
--She was willing to be anti-establishment during and after the 2016 elections. She attacked Hillary's minions constantly.
--She has consistently been on shows like Jimmy Dore, Joe Rogan, etc. unlike mainstream politicians.
Agreed that the Hindu nationalist thing is weird, but I have no direct knowledge of it, and frankly it seems pretty minor overall.
@apenultimate the hit pieces describe
the hit pieces describe a guru as a "cult" leader - as if Hinduism is some wierd cult.
They never provide any evidence of anything wierd. They try to conflate "cult" with sinister wierdness.
In short, its bullshit.
Syria coverage on Jacobin
Jacobin Is Fueling The Lies About Syria. This has to be taken into account when they give their take on Tulsi.
Also, the hit pieces on the Intercept can't be divorced from Omidyar's history of supporting regime change. He donated millions to facilitate regime change in Ukraine. He also owns the Civil Beat in Hawaii that invariably slants the coverage about Tulsi.
David Brock has a new assignment.
Let the smears begin.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Well that doesn't look good for her now does it?
“As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists,”
So only homosexual extremists wanted to get all of the protections that marriage offered straight people? I'm not going to say what I want about this. But I'd like to know why she changed her thinking about this. And the other things that she used to be against and is now for. I will not vote ala carte for people anymore. It's the whole deal or no deal and if that makes me a purist so be it.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
How Tulsi can be President
1. Many people do a philosophical 180 after a stint in the military. If she can explain that it's a positive.
2. Bernie doesn't run. (I consider that decided, or she would not run herself)
3. After getting blatantly cheated on Super Tuesday she withdraws from the Democrats and accepts the Green Party nomination.
4. Bernie campaigns for her. (if Bernie supports the Democrat the Republican wins and he goes down in history as the "man who killed democracy")
5. The Democrats run Biden, or Gillibrand, or Booker, or... (anyone except maybe Warren)
6. Trump does not decline to run for reelection. (if Trump doesn't run and the Republicans run someone the American people don't already loathe, they have a very good chance to pick up too many "anyone but" votes)
On to Biden since 1973
Result - Trump's second term.
40+% of American voters are Trump idolators. Split the anti-Trump vote and he wins again.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Election Time
Frankly, I think a lot of people would have a lot more objectivity about elections in general if they got off the grid and spent more time in their community gardens.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Amen, sister.
I respectfully disagree
Historically 15% are that combination of racist right and christofascists that always vote Republican, 15% are Republicans who vote red regardless, and the last 10% are people who voted for Trump (and claim that they will vote for him again) because Hillary (and now the quisling Democrats) are really that bad. Bernie, and hopefully Tulsi, will get essentially all of that 10%. There is almost no state where Trump could win with only his solid 30%, and a similar analysis can be claimed for the corporate Democrat. Nearly everywhere Bernie (and presumably Tulsi) wins 35/32/28 The only way that the corpodems can split the vote enough (The so called "swing vote" is a myth) to win enough states to deny the progressive would be to run Warren. She could throw the election to the House, and probably result in a 3rd place Warren presidency.
Note: in a similar race, a recent mayoral race in Oakland, CA, rank choice allowed a third place (but clearly the least corrupt) candidate to win. The result was by most accounts a failure)
On to Biden since 1973
@doh1304 she did explain it. She
she did explain it. She said she saw the religious intolerance and realized it was wrong to force her religious beliefs on others. It was wrong for anyone to do that.
She didnt deny that personally, her Hindu beliefs are that homosexuality harms one spiritually and that she continues to have those beliefs. She doesnt believe she has the right to force those beliefs upon others, however.
Commendably American if you ask me.
I think Trump will win again.
Tulsi is young enough to run now, get her name out there, and run again after 2020.
dfarrah
A book written in late 1800s said Trump wins again
Saw it in an uber annoying video about 2019 predictions by past and current prophets. Cacey, Naustridamous, etc.
Or, the Last President. It's fantasy fiction, but some of the parallels are pretty cool. Character is Wilhelm something something von Troomp. He appoints Pence to his cabinet. Barron is his nickname. Mentioned that Troomp is reelected on the specific Tues Nov 3rd, that falls in 2020. It also said he'd return us to the gold standard, even though the Fed Reserve was not even a thing yet. Then there's the mention of the mobs outside the 5th Ave Hotel. (The annoying video commentators refer to the angry mobs protesting income inequality in the book as sounding a lot like antifa -- wrong! Pussy hats and OWS protesters are not the same, but they also say at another point in the video that we're moving back to the gold and silver standard now, and that communism is all around the world.)
Book mentioned at 9:12.
[video:https://youtu.be/BCnbghwB088]
And here come the hits against Tulsi
I wonder how long this article was waiting to be published?
Tulsi Gabbard’s 2020 Plan Threatens The New Left Foreign Policy Of Sanders And Warren
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
So, she's like Trump
and an "old" lefty?
I didn't know I was also an "old" lefty because I believe the U.S. is waging war unwisely for monied interests.
Kinda makes you wonder what the "new" left believes?
Here's something interesting. I saw a woman yesterday at the store wearing an "I'm Still With HER" cap on her head and a t-shirt that said "I'd rather be an American than a Republican".
How patriotic, eh?
Hard to tell the difference between the "new" left and the "old" republicans anymore.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
@snoopydawg they SAY she's gone
they SAY she's gone rogue then dont offer up one example other than correctly calling out Obama.
Gotta love the American Capitalist Party's dual primaries.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Cool...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3jQ7-gZQ1Q]
Wake me up in a Year and a Half when she Endorses Hillary.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Yes, there's a lot of jockeying going on in the Dem Party...
...re: 2020 (stating the obvious); and, much of it is about positioning for the v.p. slot. I will say, practically speaking, as far as Tulsi Gabbard is concerned, I would NOT underestimate her ability to focus upon the U.S. south-central/southeast Asian (Indian) community, as far as fundraising and overall support is concerned. The faction has become a very, very formidable political power in certain states, not the least of which being places like NY and NJ. For instance, meet the new NJ Attorney General...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnYhlgeFJgQ]
"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson
Brought tears to my eyes
" . . . and that's all I have to say about that."
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Graham Elwood had an interesting analysis
He tours with Ron and is often on Jimmy's show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB9XZrqGvjQ (22 min)
Fast forward 8 min to get to her foreign policy good and bad.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/01/12/hawaii-congresswoman-tulsi-...
However, I think rather than picking a horse for the race we would better spend our time focusing on issues we insist all candidates support. Medea has the idea...
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/08/new-congress-needs-create-...
I like Bernie. I thought his response to T-rump's address was excellent. But no politician admits to the deep state control creating war to sell weapons. It is the basis of our economy along with the fuel to drive the military machine. So on all fronts I think it is too little too late...perhaps sunrise and extinction rebellion can swing the system.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I first saw her speak when she introduced Bernie
in April of 2016 at a rally in Gettysburg PA (where I went to college and lived for 10 years). Here is the link to that really. Tulsi comes in around 7:18. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWrQddx-j68
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
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Bernie-Tulsi 2020
Bernie is still my first choice, as he's brought climate change urgency, medicare for all, tuition mitigation, $15 minimum wage, jobs, and infrastructure into the mainstream, as well as inspired people like AOZ to run in the first place, and has been tireless since 2016 in pushing these issues into the foreground, from the fringe.
RE: His sheepherding, I may be mistaken, or my sources may, but I can remember reading in many places circa 2016 that one of the many hoops the Dims made Bernie jump through when he ran as a dim was that he would support the dim nominee, 'whoever' that might be (as if there were any question, with two hands on the scale for the Klinton Kreature.)
As soon as I heard about Tulsi's announcement yesterday, I went to TOP, to observe the pitchforks. They didn't waste any time! While one of her oft-mentioned sins was meeting Assad (yes: Dialogue: BAD, Endless War, GOOD! Remember when people calling themselves left burned their draft cards??? How quaint!) we all know the Unpardonable Sin was calling out HER and the DNC's corruption by resigning from that cesspool of snakes aka the DNC, and supporting Bernie (to the point she nominated him for Pres at the Dim's convention.) Their vitriol and garbage did not disappoint! Funny how quickly they throw their fucking sacred Identity Politics out the window when it suits them-- Here is a WOMAN, and (as far as white America is concerned) a WOMAN OF COLOR, but-- oopsie! Under the bus she goes! She could be female, a POC, a lesbian, other-abled, and any other identity group you could name, but- oppose the coronation? AWAY WITH YOU! lol On the other hand, I remember when the Camel (Kamela) was first being talked about for 2020, and someone on TOP criticized her for, oh, any one of her 10,000 Neolib ways. The flying monkeys gathered, and someone actually wrote, and this was upvoted 10,000 times, "If you're criticizing Kamela, the problem is YOU!" Again, they never disappoint. So I say, Bernie-Tulsi 2020, as I can't think of a pairing better suited to make those monsters' heads explode at TOP-- they certainly must be doing something right to have earned that vitriol and knee-jerk reaction. I think Warren is their Trojan Horse to keep Bernie out, or split the progressive vote-- would much rather she stay in the senate, or be appointed head of Treasury/Banking if a progressive gets in. Yeah, don't like Bernie on Israel at all, but he does oppose anti-BDS: He tweeted just last week: "It’s absurd that the first bill during the shutdown is legislation which punishes Americans who exercise their constitutional right to engage in political activity. Democrats must block consideration of any bills that don’t reopen the government. Let's get our priorities right." He and Feinstein (ugh) a few eeks back sent a letter to Senate leaders (McConnell (R: Hell, ugh) and Schumer (D: Tel Aviv) (double ugh))opposing the legislation: “While we do not support the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctons (BDS) Movement, we remain resolved to our constitutional oath to defend the right of every American to express their views peacefully without fear of actual punishment by the government.” So there's that....Booker, on the other hand, is one of the sponsors of the bill, as is Rep. Kennedy. FOR SHAME!!!!! My own feeling is that the bill, insidious, repulsive, and traitorous as it is, is essentially window-dressing (meaning its supporters want the AIPAC $ to keep coming, and for fear of being primaried) as two federal courts have already struck it down as being unconstitutional (yea think?). But still, that it's come this close tells you all you need to know about which country is actually interfering in our 'democracy....'
Semper ubi sub ubi
Bernie's main concern was to reopen the government
I'll bet he supports the bill next time it comes up, if it doesn't pass unanimously this time. He voted with everyone else (unanimous vote I believe) to move the embassy to Jerusalem. Why would he defy his masters on this one?
I do like the fact that TOP heads are exploding over anything. Shills gotta shill lol.
I can see the debates now...
first question to vice-president Biden. Mister vice president, how...?
next question to Sen. Harris. Senator...
thank you, Senator Harris. Mr. Biden, how would you respond?
(40 questions later)
let me ask you, anyone who's any good, some people think your policy positions are way out on the fringe of lunatic thinking. What would you say to them that might convince them you're not a dangerous lunatic?
(then that person gets cut off in mid-sentence)
going back to you, Mr. Biden, how would you....?
more 2020 debate questions, by candidate
to Biden: what do you love about America?
to Harris: what makes America great?
to Sanders: what's with the sexual harassment in your 2016 campaign?
to Booker: what do you see for America's future?
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