@HenryAWallace
as head of the CIA during Obama's presidency, completely failed to protect the country from Putin's election manipulation. The man should be tried for treason and shot. This crime of the century happened right under his nose. He is the one person who is directly responsible for Trump's victory over her Heinous.

told us not a single vote had been affected by hacks that allegedly were the responsibility of the Russian government. Please don't tell me that Obama, whom dembot posters on other boards have already elevated to sainthood, lied to America about this supposedly important issue of national defense.

BTW, where is the PROOF?

@CB

Which Is More Occupied, Crimea or Afghanistan?

Let’s compare Russia's "occupation" of Crimea with an occupation that the US is not demanding a swift end to: the US/NATO occupation of Afghanistan.

According to Donald Trump, the one allied victor of World War II not still occupying Germany has made Germany its slave. But according to the great anti-Trump Resistance in the United States, the nation that openly bragged about installing Boris Yeltsin as president of Russia (the same Yeltsin who subsequently installed Vladimir Putin) has been Pearl-Harbor-attacked by the same Putin via a computer or Facebook or a cable channel or a remote control device implanted in Trump’s hair or something — the details are fuzzy.

But both teams can agree on the important thing — which has achieved a growing, bi-partisan, academic and popular consensus in the United States during the past four years. It is this: the second biggest threat to peace on earth and to the global rule of law (right behind either Trump or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, depending on your affiliation) is the 2014 vote by the people of Crimea to re-join Russia.

Ain’t agreement agreeable? Someone’s laughing, Lord, kumbaya, Oh Lord, kumbaya!

Now, the vote by the people of Crimea to re-join Russia has another, more common name: The Seizure of Crimea. This infamous seizure is hard to grasp. It involved a grand total of zero casualties. The vote itself has never been re-done. In fact, to my knowledge, not a single believer in the Seizure of Crimea has ever advocated for re-doing the vote. Coincidentally, polling has repeatedly found the people of Crimea to be happy with their vote.
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But let’s grant for the sake of argument that the Crimean vote was problematic, even horrendous, even criminal. There is no question that Russia had military forces in Crimea and sent in more, something I believe I can non-hypocritically oppose, since I’m not the U.S. government and I advocate for the abolition of the U.S. military. Even so, how does the “occupation” of Crimea rise to the level of greatest threat to peace on earth?

Compare it to a trillion dollars a year in U.S. military spending, new missiles in Romania and Poland, massive bombing of Iraq and Syria, the destruction of Iraq and Libya, the endless war on Afghanistan and Pakistan, the U.S.-Saudi devastation of Yemen and the creation of famine and disease epidemics, or the explicit threats to attack Iran, not to mention world-leading weapons dealing to dictatorships around the globe by the good old U.S. of A. I’m sure your average American would rather visit “liberated Mosul” than “annexed Crimea,” but should we deal with facts or slogans?
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In addition, Afghanistan is the one nation where the United States is engaged in major warfare with a country that is a member of the International Criminal Court. That body has now announced that it is investigating possible prosecutions for U.S. crimes in Afghanistan. Over the past 16 years, we have been treated to an almost routine repetition of scandals: hunting children from helicopters, blowing up hospitals with drones, urinating on corpses — all fueling anti-U.S. propaganda, all brutalizing and shaming the United States.

Ordering young American men and women into a kill-or-die mission that was accomplished 16 years ago is a lot to ask. Expecting them to believe in that mission is too much. That fact may help explain this one: the top killer of U.S. troops in Afghanistan is suicide. The second highest killer of American military is green on blue, or the Afghan youth who the U.S. is training are turning their weapons on their trainers! You yourself recognized this, saying: “Let’s get out of Afghanistan. Our troops are being killed by the Afghans we train and we waste billions there. Nonsense! Rebuild the USA.”
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Here’s my proposal. The people of Afghanistan should hold a public referendum and vote immediately to become the 51st U.S. state. Not only would they then have made themselves seized, conquered, attacked, raped, and occupied in the bad, Russian senses of the terms. But if they sent along some photos of themselves in a note to the U.S. Congress, they’d get U.S. troops out of their country and achieve its total independence from the United States by the following afternoon.

@Amanda Matthews and I remember it too, right up until perestroika and glasnost. Then, the Russians were kinda cool. I don’t remember hearing much about a Russian menace again until Putin really. I guess enough time has passed, it’s time for a Cold War reboot. Enough time has passed for people to think Russia is scary again.

the propaganda that RUSSIA! is evil and out to kill us all since the end of WWII. I was born in 1949 and I’ve been hearing this shit ever since I was old enough to understand what TPTB were saying. That would have been around kindergarten. We had tables instead of desks. We shared the space UNDER there. I was scared, but some kids were so freaked they cried. Crap, we probably all had PSTD. It’s an experience that I’ll never forget. IIRC, they finally knocked that crap off around second grade. By that I mean the hiding under a desk bullshit. The propaganda and fear tactics have never stopped.

And I’ve (we’ve) been hearing it ever since. RUSSIA! Is the boogie man they use to keep us scared. Dumb asses figure since it always worked before, why mess with a tried and true scheme to keep the dirty plebs scared and in line?

EDIT: added ‘enough’