NEW Improved Monday Open Thread: August 13 is International Lefthanders Day
August 13 is the 225th day of the year; as well as Setting Orange, Bureaucracy 6, 3184 YOLD to discordians.
Sandy Koufax, Ted Williams, The Snake. Any question?
Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift, look out kid, ...
On this day in:
1521 - Cortes the Asshole and his forces captured King Tlatoani Cuauhtemoc and the city of Tenochtitlan, effectively ending the Aztec empire and civilization. Thereafter Christian barbarians ran the show.
1553 - Michael Servetus was arrested for heresy by John Calvin. He was, of course, burnt at the stake, because thought crimes warrant such treatment.
1704 - English and Imperial troops under Marlborough and Eugene of Savoy hammered the French and Bavarian troops opposed to them at the Battle of Blenheim. The War of the Spanish Succession nonetheless continued for another decade, but it was a Glorious Victory all the same.
1792 - King Louis XVI of France was formally arrested by the National Tribunal, and declared to be an enemy of the people, as indeed he was. Unfortunately, so few of them were ever thusly taken down that it never caught on.
1889 - William Gray of Hartford, Connecticut received United States Patent Number 408,709 for a "Coin-controlled apparatus for telephones." This, of course, led to the once ubiquitous 'phone booth. Raise your hand if you remember them. Raise your other hand if you've used one in the past 3 years (both hands raised here.)
1898 - US and Spanish troops fought the mock battle for Manila, after which the Spanish surrendered to the yanks. It was all a scheme and show to keep the Filipino rebels from taking the city, which just wouldn't do.
1905 - Norwegians voted to end the union with Sweden. The US made no attempt to intervene or challenge the election.
1918 - Opha May Johnson became the first woman to enlist in the US marines.
1961 - East Germany closed the border between the eastern and western sectors of Berlin.
Born this day in:
1814 - Anders Jonas Ãngstrom, physicist and astronomer
1818 - Lucy Stone, abolitionist and suffragist
1819 - Sir George Stokes, 1st Baronet, mathematician and physicist. Raise your hand if you know the Navier-Stokes equations.
1860 - Annie Oakley, shooter
1914 - Grace Bates, mathematician
1919 - George Shearing, jazz pianist and band leader
1930 - Don Ho, singer and ukulele player
1933 - Joycelyn Elders, admiral, general, and opinionated physician; fired for being uppity
1938 - Dave "Baby" Cortez, happy pianist, organist, and composer
1951 - Dan Fogelberg, singer, songwriter and guitarist
952 - Hughie Thomasson, southron rock singer, songwriter and guitarist
1963 - Valerie Plame, spook infamously outed by GW Bush in his successful propaganda campaign to lie us into the Iraq war.
Died this day in:
1863 - Eugene Delacroix, painter
1910 - Florence Nightingale, nurse
1946 - H. G. Wells, novelist and historian
2003 - Ed Townsend, singer, songwriter and producer
2004 - Julia Child, Julia Child
2009 - Les Paul, Les Paul
2012 - Helen Gurley Brown, journalist and author
Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days and such:
International Left-handers Day
National Prosecco Day
National Filet Mignon Day
No, do NOT drink prosecco with filet mignon
pay phones
George Shearing
Don Ho
Dave "Baby" Cortez
Dan Fogelberg
Hughie Thomasson
Valerie Plame
Ed Townsend
Les Paul
picture: Jimi, public domain
It's an open thread, so do your thing
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both hands raised here too
Another guitar pickin' lefty in this one:
Paul McCartney - That Would Be Something
--- skippity-skip
Ben Harper - Burn One Down
This morning's wake and bake recipe contains flower of Chem Dawg. LOL woof woof!
and goddess bless all coffee bean, thank you.
Happy Monday
heh
They screwed
Fuckers.
Good to 'see' you, eyo. Glad you're safe(as anybody).
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
I'm an outlaw now
Survey says? Ding! Emerald Report: Study: Public faith in cannabis outpaces medical research
~shrug~
Faith - George Michael
gone too soon
Outlaw and commie, nasty combo.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
whether we like it or not ...
Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard - It's All Going to Pot
--- new rush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Triangle
From J. Carah et al., BioScience June 2015
Land use changes in Trinity River watershed between 2004 and 2012
showing increased clearing and road building.
--- old rush
Headwaters Grove clear cut and death road 1990.
©2016 Greg King
Peace
Morning, TBU, all screwed up, indeed, but arguably a bit
better than illegal. The locals can't kick down your door and claim they smelled weed, for starters.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Guitar wizards
Guitar wizards seem to be a thing the last two days.
Raises hand....Me...Me...Me...Teacher! Talk to me about aerodynamic flow fields. Forget that simpleton Euler. Real men don't go in for that 'Reynolds Averaging' crap either. They want exact solutions. My supercomputer can beat up your supercomputer and take it's lunch money. (sicks tongue out )
Cortez...way worse than Hitler?...Discuss.
Have a great day all.
I want a Pony!
way worse than Hitler?...Discuss.
I like how this video is annotated in the tube comments:
Aztec culture alive and well in Mexico
Huh! One person's nationalism is another person's ___________?
peace
In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? #NotMe
Ah, it would be you, wouldn't it. Good bright and cheerful
morning, Arrow. Can your 'puter beat the one down at NASA Ames? You have to give Euler a break, he had no Euler to build on.
One vote for Cortes, but a very tough question. Uncivilized, murdering, self-righteous no good bastards were largely allowed to do their thing, if not rewarded and encouraged back in his day. That excuses nothing, but Adolf's time people were supposed to be more subtle whilst he lept out and openly competed for the "history's greatest asshole" award proudly and arrogantly. All in all, however, especially looking at the broad and long term efects, Cortes, hands down.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Just one hand raised...
but it's my left hand...cause I'm left handed as is my partner. I play my instrument left handed too. Hey works for me.
I don't think I've seen a pay phone in the last decade, but I remember them. Some kids at my HS could drop in their dime, hit the coin return, get their dime back, and make a call. I was never so talented and let the phone eat my dime. Never have been big on talking on the phone...don't even have a cell phone.
Here's left handed fiddler Claudio Buchwald and the Monks paying "Texas Gals" at the Campbell folk school. I like the symmetry of the left and right handed fiddler. (5 min)
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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
so where is your left hand?
picking the strings or on the longish piece where you pressing the strings to form the accords? Oh I feel so dumb. Just asking because my son is left-handed - very much so ... - and I have no clue how he holds his guitar...
https://www.euronews.com/live
The left hand ...
...is used for strumming or bowing, the right notes the instrument.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Good morning, lookout. thanks for reading and for the
music. So, today, at least, is your day, enjoy it.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
The MGM musical, *Annie Get Your Gun,* was based, no
doubt very, very loosely, upon the life of phenom Annie Oakley.Betty Hutton got the lead role after Judy Garland was too "exhausted."
The film gave us many songs once considered classics. One of the less well-known songs from the soundtrack was You Can't Get a Man with a Gun. (Well, you can, but he may not be happy about it.) Another was Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better. Sung by a woman to a man, it could be considered a relatively early example of a feminist anthem, albeit perhaps a somewhat obnoxious one. A third, I'm An Indian, Too, goes out to to US Senator from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren (née, Herring), with deepest apologies to everyone for the Hollywood portrayal of members of First Nations.
Both Oakley and Hutton have interesting wikis-- interesting to me, anyway. Heaven knows, I'm no bellwether, but, if you want to give them a skim.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Oakley; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Hutton
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Morning, HAW. Thanks for reading.
Annie was a phenomenon in her time, though one wonders how many unknown peers she had, not at competition clays, but in general. The "west" was still a bit rough and tumble then.
Betty was a hoot.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
So I have to admit I was panicking HARD last night.
I was convinced that I wasn't going to be able to write this morning. (Damn writer's superstitions are NASTY when depression decides to use them against me.)
But, managed to get the piece written, am happy with the result, still got lunch made for my SO when she needs to get going this morning to her new Job. (Whoot!)
So, New Logos, A rather Tragic one, unfortunately, but as we're deep in the 2nd act now, it only is going to get worse from here, I'm afraid.
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
If only we could stop thinking/imagining negative things
about ourselves, we'd be so much more energized and productive, not to mention probably so much happier. Congrats on coming through despite your worries and to your SO. Hope she loves the job and gets valued there.
I'm working on it.
I hope the job goes well. She just left, so here's hoping things go well.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Good morning, detroit. Glad you got through it. Have a great
day and good luck to the SO.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
An unlucky day indeed, for Louis Capet.
We did some YouTube viewing over the weekend. We watched a couple of films about the French Revolution: The French Revolution, Part 1 (2 hr. 45 min.) & Part 2 (2 hr. 34 min.). So many similarities between the French and Russian Revolutions.
Another lefty, Scott Frost, one-pocket player from Phoenix.
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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Our 1776 inspired the French Revolution.
Turned out both we and they basically traded royal plutocrats for garden variety plutocrats.
Discouraging, isn’t it?
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Good morning, LOL, nice to see you. Not that discouraging,
it simply means that nobody has done it right yet, so somebody gets a chance to go and do so.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning, EL. I don’t how it can be
done right. The ruthless replace the ruthless. I have been trying to imagine a kind, cooperative future, but I always see the ruthless pushing it out.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Well, kinda' ...
Yes, there were some enlightened souls among the Third Estate and the minor nobility in France who wanted a constitution and an elected legislature but then the mob took over. We here never had a real revolution. We never had a Terror like the French or Russians. There wasn't a lot of confiscation of property and people were not executed on the basis of class origin. In the end, the rich planters and merchants stayed on top just as before although they no longer had to pay taxes to the King. Our "revolution" was more of a land grab than anything else. Everyone knew that the rebellious British colonies were situated on the edge of a vast continent just waiting to be exploited. Adam Smith, in his Wealth of Nations, said that if the revolution failed, if the King managed to hold on to the colonies in North America, the seat of government would have to be moved from London to America, so great was the potential wealth of that continent.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
From the serf and slave perspective, ours was but a change
of ownership.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
It was a change from colonies ruled by a monarch and
and Parliament situated on the other side of the Atlantic to 13 states governed by a federal Constitution of their own making and choosing and their own respective state laws. That more than fits the definition of "revolution." We invented the thing.
Yes, slavery continued, despite the efforts of colonial abolitionists. However, that is a very different issue from whether or not we fought a revolution to gain independence from Britain and remake ourselves into the United States of America.
That oversimplifies a bit, a whole lot, even. Initially,
sufficient concessions, starting with representation, would very likely satisfied most of the movers and shakers. No concessions were forthcoming and things instead got worse. Wealthy and powerful types came to desire complete independence and the hoi polloi went along, get rid of George and his damn redcoats and taxes. Well and good.
As to self government and a government of their choosing, the mass of those fighting weren't in it for any such thing, or they would have insisted on getting it. What we initially got was a non-heriditary aristocracy, pretty much a plutocracy, though more of a simple oligarchy in some areas.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Disagree. I don't think one representative in
Parliament was the actual cause of the revolution, despite the appealing slogan of "Taxation without representation is tyranny."
One lone representative in Parliament was ostensibly all the colonists had been demanding. I don't believe for a second that the wealthy went to war over one representative in Parliament who could have very easily been outvoted every time the interests of the American colonists conflicted with the interests that Parliament and the King wished to serve.
I think the war was, from the outset, far more about rich people's economics and desire for total self rule than the slogans and ditties of the time revealed. IOW, I don't think farmers were really stirred to go to war against the Redcoats because of taxation without token, impotent representation or a thrupence tax on tea.
I think the decision to go to war was about wealthy importers and slave traders being taxed by Parliament and the rich people of another country making decisions for rich colonists that were to more to the advantage of the former than the latter. After all, what is the point of being incredibly wealthy as were people like John Hancock and slave traders, if you can't even buy the laws and lawmakers that allow you to keep more of your wealth?
To put the very best face on it I can, I would say that, if nothing else, wealthy colonists wanted the taxes they were paying to government to stay in, and benefit, the same country as they lived in. Thomas Jefferson, of course, wrote a much more self-serving version into the Declaration of Independence, but, whatever his faults, he was an extremely smart, gifted and politic man.
That is my take, anyway. In my view, my take is less simplistic than the official version that has come down to us via the Declaration of Independence and the righteous slogans the upper classes fed those who were to actually fight the Redcoats. I understand that having a different take than mine is simply that, a different take than mine.
I never said that's what colonial troops were fighting for, nor does the definition of "revolution" require that the fighting troops be fighting for a government of their own choosing.
I don't think the same men as were wrapping their feet in rags against snow and ice and fighting with only enough bullets to fire only after they saw "the whites of their eyes" were the ones who decided to fight the Revolutionary War. When have troops who did the actual fighting ever decided that their nation should send them to war? I think the troops were those who had been were ginned up to fight the war after the deciders had decided there would be a war and used their skills and money and the skills of people like Thomas Paine to convince everyone else.
IMO, the troops eventually believed they were fighting for, at a minimum, independence from the monarch, which was a different system than the one they already had. That's all the definition of revolution actually requires. However, the hoi polloi did indeed have input into the Constitution, anyway, though I believe that only their state legislators got to vote on ratification. The input of the hoi polloi is the reason the Constitution now includes a Bill of {Individual} Rights (and not only the states' rights that legislators may have demanded). That was certainly more input than the hoi polloi colonists had had as to governance of the colonies by Parliament and King George III. To a species theretofore governed by one kind of monarch or another, that may have seemed like quite a lot.
Not only do I agree, but I would say that is what we still have. However, I am not sure what distinction you are making between a plutocracy and an oligarchy.
plu·toc·ra·cy
plo͞oˈtäkrəsē/
noun
noun: plutocracy
government by the wealthy.
a country or society governed by the wealthy.
plural noun: plutocracies
an elite or ruling class of people whose power derives from their wealth.
ol·i·gar·chy
ˈäləˌɡärkē/
noun
noun: oligarchy; plural noun: oligarchies
a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution.
"the ruling oligarchy of military men around the president"
a country governed by an oligarchy.
"the English aristocratic oligarchy of the 19th century"
government by oligarchy.
(Candidly, I thought a plutocracy was a combination of wealth and power--IOW, a legislator owned by the wealthy would be a plutocrat, whether or not the legislator is also wealthy; and I thought that plutocracy and oligarchy were synonyms. However, the definitions of plutocrat and oligarch above are different than I thought.)
All that said, the only issue about which I actually posted was whether the American revolution satisfies the actual definition of the word "revolution." And, yes, that is indeed a very simple matter and yes, it does. Not only was it a revolution, but it was the first time I know of that colonists overthrew the rule of the colonizing nation in order to be governed by their fellow former colonists.
Our revolution definitely inspired the French Revolution, not
only "kinda." https://www.history.com/news/how-did-the-american-revolution-influence-t... and many other sources.
In fact, one could say our revolution inspired every revolution. That is, of course, not to say that every revolution has been fought in exactly the same way as ours or for exactly the same reasons as ours. I agree in part and disagree in part with the rest of your post.
That would have come as a surprise to King George III, his colonial Governors and the Redcoats, not to mention Queen Elizabeth II, and the French revolutionaries. (Beware "No true Scotsman.")
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Those are not essential elements of a revolution. Also, the system and most of the people against whom we were revolting were across the Atlantic Ocean and most of the people still here (once the fighting began) were on the same team, with the exception of some spies, double agents and remaining Loyalists, who stayed undercover. We did encourage Loyalists to "self-deport" and, whether they did or not, confiscated their property. Of course, there was a long build up to the Revolution, while other colonies were being persuaded to commit to it. So, some Loyalists sold their property and left well before July 4, 1776.
We didn't execute many people on the basis of class because we were not fighting a class war/revolution or an economic war (aside from the taxes imposed by England issue). We were fighting a war/revolution to gain independence from England, including the King's colonial Governors. That doesn't negate the fact that it was a revolution.
I don't understand this comment. What land grab were the colonists fighting for in 1776? Aside from the lands of the Loyalists, who "grabbed land" as a direct result of our revolution?
The colonists who fought the revolution stayed where they were. Other than the 13 colonies, I don't think King George III had land in what is now the USA for anyone to grab. France had acquired its stake--what later became US territory via the Louisiana Purchase, well before 1789.
I'm not entirely sure the colonists knew the extent of what is now the US. However, if they did, know of nothing peculiar to the colonial condition that would have prevented them from settling in say, what is now the Michigan, without subjecting it to the King and Parliament.
What can I say ? This is how I see the history.
To this day, I cling to the ideas of the Enlightenment. My personal political philosophy is based on English philosophy and the letters of Thomas Jefferson.
But ...
From a strictly materialist standpoint, you must admit that our revolution differed from the French, Mexican, Russian or Chinese. As you said,
That's my point. Ours was more of an anti-colonial war than a revolution in the sense that there were no bread riots, no starving sans-culottes or proletariat.
Something else to keep in mind, the elegant Enlightenment arguments about equality and the rights of man only applied to property-owning white males. Extending the franchise to all residents would have been revolutionary. The American Revolution was actually a squabble among the 1%. No, there would be no hereditary King, but there would be a ruling class nonetheless.
The land grab part ? Recall the Continental Congress and the Continental Army. Educated people knew what was at stake.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
I understood your point and responded to it. However,
claiming the Revolutionary War of 1776 was not the inspiration for the French Revolution and/or was not a revolution at all is incorrect. It was both; and that has nothing to do with anyone's personal view.
I wrote a brief version of my personal view of the reasons for the American revolution in my reply to EL. You may certainly disagree with my view, and your view and his are entitled to as much respect (or as little) as is my view. However, the actual definition of "revolution" is not my personal view, nor is the impact of our revolution on the French. (Your view of why the American Revolution was fought seems closer to my own than to EL's but that has nothing to do with either of the two points about which you and I have been posting.
That the American Revolution was the inspiration for the French Revolution is an uncontroversial, historical fact that is unaffected by our respective personal views of history. Also a fact: the definition of "revolution" has nothing to do with bread riots or guillotines or Madame DeFarge or shooting the Tsar and his family and few remaining retainers in a basement. My prior post explained why the American Revolution did not include those things (and did not need to include them in order to qualify as a "revolution").
I assume you read the post of mine to which your are replying. I don't want to put words in your mouth but, even after reading the actual definition of "revolution," you seem to be saying that the only wars or uprisings that qualify as revolutions are those in which the poor take from the rich, or at least try to. However, the actual definition of revolution is about a war or uprising, insurrection, etc. to change a system. Had the French peasants grabbed the real and personal property of their rich neighbors, but remained the loyal subjects of Louie and Marie, that would not have been a revolution under common definitions of "revolution."
The Revolutionary War of 1776 was not only a revolution in the terms of common definitions of that word; it was the mold. Sure, someone else would probably have revolted to change systems of government and write a Constitution sooner or later, but we did it first.
I'm not going to argue semantics.
I will say that, in my opinion, a "revolution" that leaves unaltered the fundamental economic arrangements of a country is hardly worthy of the name. Dictionary be damned.
Was the American Revolution the first ?
Maybe. But remember that the American revolutionaries were educated Englishmen, even if born elsewhere, and would have know about this and this.
Was ours the model for the French ?
Could be.
History is never really settled. There is always room for argument and controversy.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
good morning, Az, thanks for reading. Nice work by lefty there.
5+ hours of film is more than I think I could handle. The similarities between France and Russia, now that you mention it, are intriguing. I wonder just how broadly (and frequently) that generalizes.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Well we didn't watch it all in one sitting.
It took all weekend.
The similarities were striking, minus the Communist theology and Marxist babble of course.
In both cases the revolution was attacked by other nations who feared its spread in Europe, there were class enemies among the population who sought to restore the former government and terror organizations were formed, the Committee of Public Safety/Cheka, to deal with counter-revolutionary activity. Oh, and they both ended up with dictators in the end.
Lenin was a scholar and must have been familiar with the history.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
(No subject)
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Nor king nor queen
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Nor Jack of Diamonds ...
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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
hmm, seems to call for skiffle:
which, in turn, cries out for uncle Mance playing some jack-knife bottleneck
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning, eyo, have a great day. Hope the wake and
bake was wonderful, and thanks for the music.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Well, lookee here, a dupe. Well, it started out posted to eyo,
who is up by da river, and it is morning, zo
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Thanks EL, some of those tunes bring back the memories...
And, I see what you did there with the Plame bit. Nice.
My pleasure, thanks for reading.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --