Where else are they going to go?

Everywhere you look these days you see worry over how the move to the left by the democrats base will turn off moderates.
The universal consensus remains that you must go to the center.

Funny how that never applies to conservatives.
For decades the attitude for democrats to the left went, "Where else are they going to go?"

Where they went is not to the polls.

Voter turnout ranged between 60% to just 40% on non-presidential elections.

So now the question must be asked, "Where else are moderates going to go if the democrats appeal to their progressive base?"

After demonizing Trump, are they seriously going to adopt Trump-friendly policies just to get Trump-friendly voters?
We could fight on individual policies, or we could simply turn the tables and dare those moderates to vote for Trump.
"Go ahead. Vote for Trump to prevent universal health care. Don't let the door hit you in the ass."

By far the largest group of voters is non-voters, not dinos.
That's who progressives should be concerned with.

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mhagle's picture

In Hillsboro Texas for a town hall. He was excellent! Intelligent questions from the crowd.
Place was packed. Four other candidates spoke. One guy was more centrist dem, and I don't remember his name. But Mike Collier for Lieutenant Governor (opposing supreme asshole Dan Patrick), Kim Olson for Commissioner of Agriculture, Julie Oliver for U.S. House District 25 were all fabulous. Very impressive meeting!

I don't know if any of these folks are quite as far left as I would like - maybe they are? But they certainly are progressive enough for me to vote for them. Julie Oliver is not in my district, but Jana Lynne Sanchez is and has earned my vote.

Another striking thing was the number of GOTV women's organizations present. Kim Olson said, "this election is going pink! We are not a red state or a blue state. We are a non-voting state, and we are going to change that!"

The atmosphere was pretty electric.

The years I have been in Texas, most dem party stuff has been worthless lazy shit. There have been great candidates here and there - like Wendy Davis. But mostly dems have not had a local presence, have not supported dem candidates worth a darn, have left republicans to run unopposed. When I went to a dems for Bernie meeting in 2015, the local group who had worked to elect Wendy Davis said that the state dem office did not send them the posters and yard signs requested. There was a warehouse full of them that did not get distributed. That was their story anyway.

This year is going to be different. People are pissed. They hate Ted Cruz. Are upset about Trump. The state legislature fucked up everyone's healthcare, which already sucked but now is non-existent. One of Beto's stories was about a Texas teacher who recently died because she couldn't afford $119 for flu medication.

Anyway . . . a dog is barking to go out. Gotta go. Smile

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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They've done nothing but drag this country ever-rightward. And they will never stop.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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that question, "where else you going to go?" in 2016. Hillary's loss was the result of "where ya gonna go?" But if they, the DNC, want to play that game again in 2020 - double down - be our guest! Can almost guarantee more Trumpers will vote for tRump than rank & file Dims vote for Hillary or Kamala, or...
And Do guarantee that a Dim 2020 loss to tRump virtually reduces the Dim party to 3rd party status, if not drives a stake thru the party. So, yeah, DNC, roll the dice and ask us again, "where ya gonna go?!" I double dog dare ya.

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@Wink might restore some of my faith in the cosmos, given all the work the Dems have done to shut out 3rd parties from the system.

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Taibbi's latest, laying into the Democratic Party joker partisans who can't dig deep enough in burying their heads in the sand.

Frank Bruni of the New York Times, in scalding-hot-take mode while filling in for Tom Friedman, wrote a piece this week called "The Center Is Sexier Than You Think."

Bruni’s screed is the latest in an increasingly comic (and panicked, and over-blown) series of media reactions to the surprise primary win of young Bronx Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Ocasio-Cortez is a Democratic Socialist who worked on the 2016 campaign of Bernie Sanders. She espouses several political views – like abolishing ICE, favoring a government jobs program and free college education – that make D.C. thinkfluencers nervous.

Since she ousted ossifying Democratic Party lifer Joe Crowley in the New York primary, pundits have been scrambling to explain her win as something other than a symbolic rejection of insider politics.

They’re saying she won because of identity politics, because of clever marketing and because she’s a working-class local. We’ve seen the Washington Post argue there was no anti-insider meaning in her victory, because “the argument that there is a Democratic establishment resisting the progressive tide is a straw man.”

The Dems' history of blowing it because for too long they've transparently chosen to grovel for money instead of representing working class interests is finally catching up with them:

This, ultimately is the message: In order to win, Democrats need to pull a fake-out by pushing squeaky-clean ex-vets without political histories, and hope that right-leaning voters will project their backwards-ass dreams onto these walking blank canvases.

The notion that Democrats need to look and act more like Republicans to win elections has been practically a religious tenet in Washington for more than 30 years. From the embrace of NAFTA to welfare reform to triangulation to repealing the Glass-Steagall Act to slobbering over Wesley Clark (instead of opposing the Iraq war) to hiring infamous Republican media hitman David Brock, this soul-sucking drift has been sold to voters as an electorally necessary compromise. Now we’re supposed to understand that it’s sexy, too?

This is the Democratic Party that lost the presidency in 2016 to a crypto-fascist game-show host with near-record negatives – only ex-Klansman David Duke in 1992 was a more roundly-despised candidate than Trump – and legislatively has for a decade now suffered mass losses on the national and state levels.

Why? Because, as noted here previously, “centrists” don’t really exist. There may be individuals who self-identify that way, but the demographic is mostly a fiction. There’s donor money to be had there, but not many votes.

When the Democrats abandoned their reliance on labor in the Eighties, and began to be funded by the same big companies that backed Republicans, our politics devolved into a contest between two employer-supported factions. Neither really cared about the numerical majority of poor or working-class voters, so they had to get creative with their politics.

The Republican pitch was an open con: the CEO sect hoovering Middle American votes by trotting out xenophobic Bible-thumpers who waved the flag and pretended to love beer, chainsaws, snowmobiles and shooting foreigners, while mostly just deregulating the economy.

The Democratic pitch revolved around social issues like choice and was far less transparently fraudulent. But the party’s proponents had one bad habit that kept putting them in a hole. Repeatedly, when asked to make policy changes favored by sizable majorities of Democratic voters (and often by majorities of all voters), party leaders said: We can’t do that: we need to win!

Right on, Matt:

What actual people are against importing cheap Canadian generic pharmaceuticals? Where’s the group of people intent on protecting our thousand-headed hydra of insurers, so that doctors and hospitals can waste time and money on paperwork? What individual human being is out there who just can’t stand the thought of allowing Medicare to negotiate lower bulk prices?

For that matter, where’s that sexy vote-rich crowd of people who are hell-bent on making sure banks have easier stress tests, and don’t have to increase their capital reserves? Where’s the mob that really wants to preserve the payroll-tax cutoff for high-income earners? That wants desperately to remove Malaysia from a list of human traffickers so it can join a free-trade pact?

There are no such people. These are not human positions. These are the positions of health insurers, pharmaceutical companies, job-exporting manufacturers, defense contractors and other high-dollar donors.

Nobody sits around the dinner table demanding that we keep derivative exchanges opaque, or retain the carried-interest tax break. You’re not winning independents with those positions. You’re just stroking a few lobbyists and their clients.

This is what we’re really talking about, when we talk about the “center” in America. The interests behind these positions are only the “center” in the sense that they’re a numerically tiny group of fat cats sitting between two increasingly enormous populations of pissed-off human voters.

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