Condescending Advice from a Secretary at Harris Corp

You can't make this up. This morning I got a call from a Harris Corp secretary that said I didn't qualify for a single one of their job postings. But it gets 'better'. She had some advice for me, not as an employee of Harris, but as a 'mom of a son currently in college'.

It turned out to be the usual 'You need a Bachelor's Degree before we'll even consider talking to you' schtick. I'm surprised I even managed to keep my composure throughout the whole thing. Yes, because managerial skills are so fuckin' necessary for entry level work.

Let's add to this that many bosses also want numerous certifications on top of the degrees before they'll even say anything to you. And even then the job isn't guaranteed because these sons of bitches want everything as cheaply and as quickly as possible. In other words, 'Murican workers will never be hired.

Tell me again why I should even bother participating in a system that makes employment impossible.

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dystopian's picture

My heart hurts for you, reading your essays. Keep ploughing, don't give up. Being persistent is winning. As the old saying goes, "there is nothing more common than unrewarded genius, perseverance alone is omnipotent." If you think you can you can and if you think you can't you are right. Be indefatigable.

The reason everyone requires a BA degree for entry level nowadays is because even that is often less of an education than we came out of high school with in the 60's and 70's. When most kids came out of public schools knowing how to spell, read, do basic math functions without a calculator, they could fill out a job application, and in a large segment, of males mostly, had taken maybe several 'industrial arts' courses and had developed actual skillsets, etc. ad. infinitum.

Today, or lately, not so much. I suspect a high percentage of those even with BAs do not have the three R skills that were possessed by the majority of public school users of the 60's and 70's. So the social promotion thing lowered the bar in many ways, but raised it in others. Now they consider a BA a requirement as a high school diploma was 50 years ago. Not because of how much smarter we have become.

Babe Ruth struck out more than any other batter of his day. But it is not what he is remembered for. He never quit swinging for the fences.

Good luck!

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein

@dystopian owners have us by the balls, so to speak. Don't spend enough on public schools to provide a good education so now that's up to us as "consumers" to pay for that same basic level of education. And we get to go into debt now to do that, yay!

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The Aspie Corner's picture

@dystopian before I have a fuckin' career because the bosses have impossibly high standards for incredibly stupid reasons.

The testing racket needs to die, among many others.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

dervish's picture

@The Aspie Corner It pays well and there are always jobs available.

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WoodsDweller's picture

We had an opening for an engineer. Our boss told us he required two years experience with our graphics system. "Oh", sez I, "you mean our proprietary graphics system that nobody who hasn't already worked here has ever seen. That reduces the pool of candidates to a half dozen people and we don't want any of them back." He stormed off muttering.
My point was always that you needed to hire people who are good at learning, not ones that already know what you're looking for. In six months you are going to want them to know the next great thing and the way to save money is to have people who can pick up new skills as needed.
Sounds like the capitalist swine have learned nothing since then.

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@WoodsDweller when I was working with my county's watershed digitizing project. I even outpaced many people there when it came to digitizing the data and maps. Yet somehow they could never find a permanent position for me because I don't have a driver's license and I'm not a protected veteran.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Wink's picture

didn't see this coming.
Like a freight train.
Don't know if it was G. Dubya that started this trend, or Bubba (or maybe even Ronaldus Magnamus by firing the air traffic controllers), but this trend of hiring from "offshore" (rather than hire college grads) has been around a decade or more now.
TPTB /Oligarchy doesn't want to pay anybody anything for their labor, so they pay as little as possible, and if they can pay less than that they do. They look at us as so much dog (food) not deserving of a nickel. As I say on FB there's no cure for the GOP (or PTB /Oligarchy). All the same to me, although the Dim party these days just as complicit. These sonsabitches could wake up some day looking for the maid to wipe their ass and clean their toilet bowl only to discover the maid has perished alongside the rest of us, and the asshat has to wipe his own ass and clean his own toilet.
A shame.

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@Wink I wouldn't get hired even if I had.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Wink's picture

I don't know the cure,
@The Aspie Corner
or if there even is one, but if I were 20-something or 30-something or, hell, even 40-something I would look into real estate sales or health /Life insurance sales, or those type of semi-professional jobs (where you're physically not busting your ass, but mostly sitting on it) that you can work your way into (and eventually build a big enough clientele) while you're working your McDayJob. Might take 8, 9 years for that (real estate job) to pay enough to live on, but it's time prolly better spent than spending that same time paying off a student loan. (sigh) Sad

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cooking, work a food
@Wink
truck or street hot dog cart.
I did at the turn of the millenium, worked a dog cart, and is a good time if you like people.
Now retired, I'm thinking of bringing my dog skills to a new food truck start-up just getting going. If nuthin' else it gets you "out there" in front of people where you can ask customers, "know anybody hiring for IT?" Alas, everyone in my neck of the woods knows me as "that guy!" or "the lone librul," so I mostly just get flipped off. But, if you like cooking it might be worth a shot.

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@Wink

It's not like we didn't see this coming.
Like a freight train.
Don't know if it was G. Dubya that started this trend, or Bubba (or maybe even Ronaldus Magnamus by firing the air traffic controllers),

That's really where it all started. When Ronny Ray Gun fired the PATCO air traffic controllers for refusing to work without a union contract in place, American labor lost nearly all its rightful power; the Republicanization of the Dems and the Taft-Hartley Act's "right to slave" provisions did the rest. Diablo

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mhagle's picture

say . . .

You current plight is already the plight of many and probably many many more in the future.

As you have heard me say, there are three teens in my household. One has two years of community college, one has one year, and the 16 year old home school kid is studying for his GED. My biological kids have gone an unconventional route. Really, I am much less afraid for them now than I would have been 20 years ago. Because all of the rules have changed. 20 years ago you would have had a good job, no problem. I have no doubt about that, from reading about your qualifications. There are no guarantees now. When I graduated from teacher's college in '79, all of the teaching grads already had jobs. Our little college employment agency made sure of that. A few folks went out to nowhere Wyoming to teach, but those had good salaries.

There are no formulas that work anymore. Maybe nurses? Certainly not teachers.

Here is my advice that is sincere, but may suck. Take this time to continue your education on http://www.openculture.com/ Just because you might discover something that will work for you. Maybe you will have fun at the same time. ???

Like others have said above. We feel for you man! Just want to help.

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Alphalop's picture

There are no formulas that work anymore. Maybe nurses? Certainly not teachers.

Around 2003 I saw this coming my girl (now wife since'06) was working as a waitress in a little rural Nevada town and the recession was already visible on the horizon.

She was discussing what to do for her future (she was about 22 at the time) and after some thought I suggested nursing because, " Eventuality someone's gonna have to take care of us old bastards."

It hasn't been easy, particularly trying to do it without accumulating tons of student loans, and took us almost 13 years but she got her RN (skipped LPN and went to RN from CNA,which was a nice bump!)

It took about 6 weeks to land her first nursing job, not the best of locations (a jail) but within 6 months and even more so after a year, she started getting lots of recruiters calling or mailing.

In her first almost 2 years of nursing she's switched employers 3 times for better offers already.

I guess the moral of the story is nursing and medicine are booming, at least until all the boomers are gone...

Or unless the health care system gets rationed for use by the wealthy only...

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Creosote.'s picture

After twenty years doing editing work for a firm that updated city and county law codes I walked away at about $13.75 an hour. No car here either. But I had expertise in a couple of better areas, and when a workmate's breakup with their partner meant workmate couldn't take on a particular museum project they asked did I want it? I ended up doing 13-15 catalogues there and they referred me on to other places. But of course that was the late 1980s, and museums now are often more like places that host dance parties, with art I am not interested in. Blind luck but I've worked out of my house since 1993. Well I did get an MLS from Columbia (when that cost maybe $5K, and before the Net) but hope never to work in a library.

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