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"The only things Hillary's experience seems to be good for is perfecting how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, engaging in the politics of personal destruction and other aspects of her ruthless pursuit of power that remind one of what a Karl Rove might do. That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee."

Journalist Steve Leser in 2008: Hillary is a liar.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658816

I'd love to front page this but I think it's best to keep DKos/c99p meta on the Community Content page. Hope you understand.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TBH I'm surprised that the Markos 2008/Markos 2016 comparison diary hadn't been done before but this is just perfect. Top spot on the rec list the day before the place becomes The Great Orange Hillary -love it.

Shoulda washed away those diaries with a cloth, Markos.

Look at the choices we've been given to vote for this time. We didn't choose these people. they were chosen for us to give us an illusion of choice and freedom.

On one hand, we have a man who incites his people towards violence, and then claims:

Sunday morning, Donald Trump took to the various political shows to reject the notion that anybody has been hurt at any of his rallies. Though he acknowledged there had been protests, he adamantly claimed that “nobody’s been hurt” and objected that the media only shows clips of him supporting violence but none of him decrying it.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/03/13/3759563/trump-violence-rall...

And then we have Hillary Clinton, who has been given every advantage possible to ensure a status quo candidate by the so-called 'left'. She's been given the aura of being inevitable, a fortunate debate schedule benefitting her, and much more coverage than her primary opposition, Bernie Sanders.

Given the low quality of both of the 'likely nominee' individuals running, the elites must enjoy a daily and nightly session of uncontrollable laughter at these choices they have foisted on the American People. The 'likely' candidates at this stage are an abomination, but these are the choices we have. And still, there are Democrats who will say that 'Well, she's better than a Republican'. But that is an immensely simple thing to be as well. Few bring that up, and even fewer wish to acknowledge the low bar set by 'being better than a Republican.

And given that Republicans are worse, why is it that Hillary Clinton says she’ll work with them to get things done? Does it even matter if what she wants to get done with Republicans hurts most people? We're supposed to believe that with her history that anything beneficial for the people of this country would be something Republicans would be willing to work with her? The only things Republican would willingly work with her on are things which would compromise the rest of us and benefit the wealth class/corporate power structures.

Hillary Clinton appears to have conflicts of interest and appearances of corruption where corporate 'speaking fees' and personal enrichment are concerned, but we're told to overlook that. Move along. Nothing to see here. "Everybody does it'. All the while, Clinton, with visions of he 90s era in her eyes, 'wants to get things done' and 'knows how'. She wants credit for all the good things that happened during her husbands 'reign', but not the shadow of the negative aspects of other things which occurred. Giver her credit for the positive, but leave her blameless for the negative is the general message.

And still it comes back to the 90s era of 'working with Republicans - when NAFTA was signed. When Glass-Steagall was rescinded. When other bubbles were propping up expansion and would have popped whether Bush or Gore were elected in 2000. Hillary Clinton is 'the progressive, moderate, centrist, conservative candidate and she'll use whichever label is appropriate based on what her audience wants to hear.

This is the person on the left we're told to trust and get behind, because look at what will happen if a Republican takes office. We have no reasons to vote for Hillary Clinton, just reasons to vote against Republicans. For some, those reasons simply aren't enough anymore either.

The other concern is that were a Sanders nomination achieved, and then a win in the general followed, that his measures and platform would also be obstructed. Obama caved in many areas and quietly became mostly a controlled tool and puppet of the elite. How might Sanders not fall into this same trap?

Would a Sanders Presidency, better than a Clinton one by measure of 'not getting the things a clinton wants to get done 'with Republicans', only be a stop gap to the eventual win by a Republican? Turnover will occur at some point, better later than sooner though. Still, that argument isn't enough to make some of those who do not trust Hillary Clinton 'happy' and willing to support and do the work to GOTV.

And this is where we are as a country, and the owners of this country, the real 'owners' of all of 'the little people', get to laugh regularly at the control they now have. The people grow restless on both sides of their identity politics trap, and that does give them pause as they lay their heads down before sleep. We need to turn this pause for concern before sleep into sleepless nights. But how we get there is anybody's guess at this point.

With Republicans, the sink is empty. With Clinton, we hear the water still circling the drain. How does Sanders help us put more water in the sink and maybe stop the drain? At this point, big questions are out there. Can we stop the drain? Will we be 'allowed to' by those who have already sold out this country to the corporate power structure?

The future is not a bright one. And the comment at each state of the union speech that 'the state of our union is strong'…is a lie.

not only did I tip and rec, but I added a small amount of my own research to it in my comment. Copying it for those who do not want to travel over there. I have to give a big H/T to our own cybrestrike who really nailed his comment which I quoted. Dude, your comment was incredible.

Actually Markos declared Hillary the nominee back in July of 2014.

Clinton will be our nominee. She is genuinely liked and popular with Democratic Party primary voters.

This statement was made well before anyone had formally declared to be a candidate in the Democratic primary. And if we are to believe Clinton, she was not sure she was going to run so that is why she continue to take massive amounts of money in speaking fees.

When user The Technomancer suggested that Bernie Sanders was a far better candidate, this was kos’s response. My bolding.

There is a market need inside the GOP for voices to the Right of their mainstream candidates. There is no such market on the left.

Bernie can run, and he'll get 5-10%, and then he'll be safely ignored by everyone because he will prove himself to sit in the margins.

Just like Warren, Sanders is more effective in the Senate.

You want Hillary to push a liberal agenda, give her liberal bills to sign.

User cybrestrike was extremely prescient in this comment. The bolding was his.

I completely disagree with this diary.

There is no way to push HRC to the left. That's just ridiculous. She is who she is. Mildly liberal on social issues, very terrible on economic policy, and straight up neocon on foreign policy.

But kos has spoken, and thus we must fall in line.

Shorter kos: "We are the Clintons. Lower your values and surrender your liberalism. We will add your idealism and political distinctiveness to our own. Your ideology will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

In short: We're so screwed.

The arrogance of his quotes is stunning.

like getting in my last licks... I expect to eventually be banned, but I'll be damned if I'm silenced.

Nice to come here and relax and hose off the Orange slime. Today was a doozie.

Greetings C99 - thanks for setting this up and thank you Lisa for this post.
I was a 12-year mostly lurker on DKos. Looking forward to some good reads here with no censorship.

I was on Delphi only, back then. I don't think I joined until 2012 or 2013. I can't for the life of me remember my handle, though I might have mentioned it in one forum on Delphi privately, but I don't have a record of the handle. I got locked out in late 2013 or 2014. I smelled a change in the air among Markos and his pets even then. A shuffle in mood and tone of the "leadership" posters seemed to be heading toward more uniformity, and having been shoved into the "norm" most of my life and FOUGHT IT often to my detriment, I fought what I refer to as smelly smarm and got bagged. I created a second account using a different Email and handle and occasionally posted as "restinbones" but made only ONE diary entry.. and that was about Sanders. Oh, the snides responded, but I'm so tired of DINOS that I didn't even go back there after I posted it until comments were closed. Oh, well. I had some mojo there, just from comments, but I think it's shrunk to a prostatic little nubbin, which is odd, because I'm a girl.

I can't imagine this woman as president. I SO want a woman president, but PLEASE someone like Warren, if the nation lasts long enough for her to run. for that to happen, we HAVE to nominate Sanders, he HAS to win huge, and congress MUST be concomitantly voted HUGE majority Dem in both Houses. You know, if that happened all at once, it'd be a trifecta. Well, it's not that.. Or wait. Maybe it IS a trifecta. It's all about a race for a Presidential term.

Good luck on remaining on DK. I don't think you're going to last much longer there. Or maybe some of the morons backing Markos, and he HAS allies on his team or he couldn't be as influential as he has been in the past, will read your diary we also see here and WAKE UP.

That might be a bigger longshot than I need FOR MY SURVIVAL -- as things are going, if shit escalates economically, I'll be among thousands of elderly who'll lose the homes they paid off, and end up dying on the street as elderly homeless. Medicare is killing many of us, instead of maintaining our health -- literally. It's all about economics and only Sanders and Warren seem to get it.

We MUST as a nation look inward and fix shit HERE, instead of attempting to spread our national penchant toward insanity.

Fentress

I like it. I mostly lurk around but this was a fantastic job and caused me to comment with an affirmative thumbs up.