#WhichDailyKos ? #WhichMarkos ?

This is cross posted at DailyKos, (w00t, top of the wreck list at the moment!) and where I say "here" in the post, I'm referring to, um, there Wink
Thought y'll might enjoy, and I also wanted to have this up here, in case I get banned, well, there!

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Hillary Clinton:

..."doesn't deserve fairness on this site" because she "fails the test of the guiding principles of this site"...

...may be the establishment's choice, but real power in the party has shifted...

The last thing we need in the White House is another out-of-touch, tone-deaf Bush-style presidency, unable or unwilling to admit mistakes and change course as a result.

Clinton's campaign is counting on low-information Democratic voters selecting Clinton based on little more than name ID. …. SNIP …..
Does she think her audience is that stupid? Apparently so.

And therein lie Hillary Clinton's biggest problems. She epitomizes the "insider" label

….SNIP….
She's part of the Clinton machine that decimated the national Democratic Party

….SNIP….
her advisers have stripped what personality she has, hiding it from the public

….SNIP….
what remains is a heartless, passionless machine, surrounded by the very people who ground down the activist base in the 1990s and have continued to hold the party's grassroots in utter contempt.

~ Markos Moulitsas, Spring 2008 ~

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Note: I’ve edited the quotes above (fair use policies, in re: WaPo) and added emphasis/italics to make a point.

The above quotes are what Markos said for public consumption back in ‘08. This is stuff he wrote, both here (at DailyKos), and at WaPo, in the Spring of 2008, while the primaries were still hotly contested.

At the time, some Clinton supporters at daily kos were so incensed by Markos’ statements criticizing Hillary Clinton, that they loudly, and very publicly (as in, made it to the pages of the NY Times! ) staged a ‘writers walkout’ (Markos called it a ‘boycott’).
NOTE: Markos did NOT threaten to ban them because they voiced loud opposition, they threatened to leave (and, in fact, some left) of their own accord.

----- It was a BIG DEAL here, and out in the blogosphere in general -----
“The comment board was shut down about 5.5 hours after it (the walk out declaration) was posted, with 1258 comments.”

(LINK to DIARY announcing the “Writers Strike” of the 2008 primaries. It’s worth reading, for the trip down memory lane, and the irony, if nothing else. The more things change, the more they stay the same? (Ahem, well, except for a major difference….Markos.))

Said a supporter of Markos, in response to the diary:

nothing has changed here (at daily kos)... in terms of tactics or tone. We've never pulled any punches here (at daily kos) when it comes to the centrists, the equivocators, the triangulators, the DLCers, and the Washington insiders. For Christsake, kos wrote a book about it. And the Clintons "wrote the book" on just those things we despise: equivocation, triangulation, the DLC, etc. …... snip...
The only difference is now we’re (at daily kos) attacking a candidate whom YOU feel strongly about.
Sorry. It happens. But if you don’t understand why we (at daily kos) dislike her, if you don’t understand that she stood opposed to the blogroots for years, that this community (daily Kos) grew into what it is today despite her, not because of her, then you’re right, perhaps this (daily kos) isn’t the blog for you.
You see, decentralized though we are (at daily kos), I’ve always felt that the vast majority of bloggers share a point of view. Out with the old way of doing politics, and in with the new. To many of us, Hillary Clinton, every bit as much as Joe Lieberman, typifies a wing of the Democratic party that is anathema, a wing that is responsible for the party’s downfall, and complicit with the rise of radical conservatism.

(I inserted “DAILY KOS” in parenthesis, for emphasis)

I-m so happy Yep, what they said! I-m so happy

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-----Ah, the way-back machine-----

Ironically, the comments in that diary are, in substance, identical to comments in present day Rox/Sux diaries. Only the names have been changed- Substitute “Obama” with “Sanders”, and “Hillary” with, um, well, “Hillary”. There were/are slurs of “Obama Boyz” instead of “Bernie Bros”, and DLC Third Way, and Establishment, low information voters, etc etc etc.

-----Fast forward to March 2016-----

Daily Kos. Hotly contested primary. Sux/Rox diaries. Passionate supporters of one side or the other. Pie Wars. Meta. HR’s (Flags) fly. Same old same old. In fact, just Daily Kos being Daily Kos...

Full Stop … Wait ... There IS one big difference, this year!

Markos, the guy that owns this place, the guy who made those inflammatory, unflattering, and decidedly non-constructive statements about Hillary (as late in the primary as May, 2008) has decided, this time around, that on (~) March 15th, we have to to stop criticizing ONE candidate, Hillary Clinton, unless it’s intended to help make Hillary a better candidate, and further, we must unify behind a candidate who seems to falter a bit more with every passing day.

A candidate who, in spite of universal name recognition, overwhelmingly favorable media coverage, Party and celebrity endorsements, a professional political ‘machine’ years in the making, Millions and Millions of Super Pac $$$, and just about every other political advantage imaginable, has basically blown a huge early primary lead — and, to a virtually unknown Democratic Socialist from the small state of Vermont. No one could have imagined!!

Frankly, I don’t see how Markos calling Hillary Clinton any of the following; a ‘heartless passionless machine’ , who is “out-of-touch, tone-deaf” and whose Presidency would be a “Bush-style” one, can be construed as “constructive criticism”. Hillary, relying on “Low information Voters” … wait, I thought that was a scurrilous dog whistle for ‘not white’ ?!?!? ….. and honestly, how can blaming the Clintons for “decimating the national Democratic Party” be intended, in any way, shape or form, to ‘make her a better candidate’ ???

In point of fact, I’m guessing that all of those caustic, inflammatory and negative statements it was OK for Markos to make in 2008 will be Flaggable comments, starting tomorrow, March 15th, aka, “IDES OF MARCH"
AND WE’RE only 1/3 of the way into the primaries!!!

Of course, ymmv. Or, more to the point, Markos’ mileage may vary.

As for me, well, I’ll just keep on feelin’ the Bern.
And yes, I know, it’s his blog.
And, evolving...


Keep on truckin’

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Martha Pearce-Smith's picture

Lisa - you are a WARRIOR!

For those not in the know....this is going to be published today at about 2:00 EST at the GOS.... Give it some love if you can!

I for one am primed to keep Lawrence from shouting "FIRST!!"

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I had unexpected time issues, so it's up at GOS as of a few minutes ago.
Live or Die, man, Live or Die? (Karate Kid 1)
lol

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I'm gonna login real quick like and rec and tip it.

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going to Bern it down, one way or another.
Sorry y'all had to go over to GOS, but glad you did and that it's getting lots of eyeballs Wink

Pooooor Markos, all those words, all that history. The internet never forgets!

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Agreed-

Markos,

You have the street cred of Reince Priebus and the fortitude of Mitt RMoney.

The elites don’t care about you Markos, you are just a tool in their money belt and when your handle breaks they will toss you onto the discarded pile of tools along with the likes of Dick Morris.

You are Debbie Wasserman Kos a sellout and an embarrassment.

Is this to harsh? If not I will go back and see if I can't improve :).

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leave a mark! Any flags, yet? I'm kind of surprised LL/Trix et al haven't been dumping all over, so far.
Tell is what you 'really' think? lol

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No, I don't think so. I've never before seen such massive rejection of progression by an owner of on an allegedly progressive website or organization.

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Muerte al fascismo. Muerte a la tiranía. colapso total de los que promueven tampoco. A la pared con el unico porciento%

someone should go on wikipedia & edit out the "progressive" pov part of its description. what a joke.

it's third way/dlc all the way, now.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

Yay, Lisa! You are SOOOO very cool! Whippin' like a weed-whacker!

Nothing but facts with links, top to bottom.

And of course your pointed commentary, sharp as a scimitar.

You GO, girl!

Will rec/tip, tip comments.

I'm proud of you, Lisa.

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Beat Trump with Bernie!

will be fear of He Who Shall Not Be Named. I'm seriously starting to wonder if that isn't his real purpose in running. Good job!

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Beat Trump with Bernie!

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Very NSFW, but hell with it, the lack of self-awareness is perfect for him.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c]

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Thank you and good luck! But remember the echo chamber and glass house occupiers do not like facts or data Smile

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begin!

and let the enrollment numbers here, SURGE!

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Progressive to the bone.

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we lucky few get the coveted 3 digit uids. Wink

(Queue the 1 and 2 digit uid members commenting in 3...2...1)

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users with low numbers for their long participation. The c99 membership looks set to continue to climb following the Ides of March tomorrow. If we keep on putting up content and keep on being civil and tolerant, folks would enjoy being here. Cheers,

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the GOS.
I reached out to one dkos member and asked them to come check us out here at c99p and I got this response:

I see no evidence that your site is populated by anything but white folks. I do not wish to participate in such a segregated community.

Just keep pounding our message of inclusiveness and hopefully folks will come around.

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But there has been a concerted effort at DKos to demonize Sanders supporters as racists, sexists, and communists.

Of course the worst slur: Purists

As if wanting your party to stand for something other than blind obedience is purity trolling.

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[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVNzmb_eWyI]

Because these guys put it pretty freaking well.

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and the race card and identity politics get ramped up through the roof. You can set your watch by it.

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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire

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familiar to many is currently collecting "lists" of those KOS members whose recs on Disapproved Diaries they consider racist thought-crime.
Things definitely taking a turn for the weird...

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The two users involved (one has since removed list -coward) are two of the most disingenuous users on the GOS. I would never take anything written by either of them at face value.

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bullshit artists pulling that racist crap out of their asses, that my last name used to be 'Flores'.... crickets after that.

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is that Latinos are white, anyway, so the "right" users there may just not have noticed your comment. There really is nothing at all they can't spin... and very very little about their candidate that they don't need to spin.

I do note in passing that the DKos brown-nosers who argue when convenient that Latinos aren't people of color are oddly silent when Armando or Markos say Latinos are POC, talking about about themselves. Surely just an oversight.

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The one that was removed (I saw it while it was still up) and wrote a response diary:

I see Dkos has descended into placing people on an enemies list for reccing a Bernie diary

Needless to say, no Clinton supporter showed up to protest what was done. Shocking, I know.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

several folks to try to bridge what appears to be a divide.

It is interesting, they claim GOS is full of racists yet they don't want to come check us out because we "might" be racists. And if we are racists why not come over here and take us to task?

I want to hear all voices (some not as often) but all voices :).

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Ask him to post that evidence, text plus links, so all can review it.

Tell him C99 doesn't ask people to identify themselves as to skin color.

Ask him what number and/or percentage of Black people he would approve of in his judgement of this community?

Ask him if her would design an intake form for our use, so we could allow/refuse incoming members according to his standards.

(And if you don't want to go back there to do this, please post your or his comment link here; I'll be happy to ask him those questions.

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(And yes, I know, don't call you Shirley!) Smile

Ask him what evidence he has reviewed.

Ask him to post that evidence, text plus links, so all can review it.

Evidence? ROTFLMAO!! The Injustice Collectors who congregate "over there" these days aren't interested in evidence. Or facts, or truth, for that matter.

They just want to forever play the victim, rather than join in a common search for solutions. And they resent having any other kinds of voices heard save theirs, which is their real complaint about c99p.

In other words, CroneWit, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for evidence which cannot exist and therefore will never arrive.

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2K7sV-K74]

Sorry, but any time I can link to comedy gold, I shall.

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The attempt to label us as a bunch of Kluxers is pretty typical of the Kos these days. The Archbishops of the Church of Limousine Political Correctness over there resent the fact that they do not control c99p or its users and never will, and their only recourse is to slander us. This is a tactic that is bound to fail, as their lies are easily exposed; therefore, we must do just that (expose the lies) at every opportunity.

Daring to disagree with Denise Oliver Velez, Trix, and Brooklyn Bad Boy -- or Hillary Rodham Clinton, for that matter -- does not constitute racism, sexism, or any other evil. Refusing to tread lightly on their eggshells doesn't, either.

And there has never been segregation of any kind here, just as there has never been any such in Bernie Sanders' campaign. All claims to the contrary are, again, vicious slanders, offered because our people will not submit to the undeserved "authority" of the slanderers.

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

That trio almost scares me, seriously.
I wasn't active much on GOS after Obama won. Came back for Bernie Sanders. So didn't know many of the "players." But those 3 started to stand out as really, really bad news. Denise sent me an "invitation" to join one of her cliques, and I just said no thank you, instinct was to stay away. Phew...those are not kind people, in descending order of not being kind people.

Asked LD to post BNR here, or to let me know how I could read it without going to GOS.

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One has money,
One is a Social Science Professor,
and one is an asshole.

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I know who the asshole is. Does BBB have a lot of money?

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bbb or someone in a reply to bbb, that he either works on Wall St. or used to. And he's quite vain about it, as though it gives him some kind of creds. Sheesh, not something I'd brag about, but there's a whole lot of cognitive dissonance running around with the Hillary crowd.

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The Archbishops of the Church of Limousine Political Correctness over there resent the fact that they do not control c99p or its users and never will

I think what really frosts them is that c99p ALSO doesn't control the voices heard here. In other words, we get to talk about progressive issues without the thought police worrying about harm to the Democratic party. Don't you just love it that liberal policies "harm" the party?

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A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard

party...yeah, right!

the hypocrisy is strong on this one.

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Denise Oliver Velez is a hothead. She's also very thinned skinned. I wrote a critical, intelligent comment in one of her diaries. She skewered me for it. Needless to say, I never bothered reading her again. I have a very thick political hide, but she definitely over-reacted.

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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I usually don't know unless someone tells me.

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Is I REALLY like my ink. Wink

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I started using my baby pic as my avatar precisely to shut up certain AA purity trolls at DK who were going around and dissing every white kossak who dared to express an opinion they disagreed with.

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I really appreciate that.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Thank you.

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you were a really cute baby! Smile

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Biggrin

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and tired of labels. Aren't we all humans?

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you were a doll.

Wink

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So grateful for this site, and the wonderful welcome all of us have received.
Good to be here. Thank you

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It's what's inside that counts! ;o)

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

I'm brand new here. Same name as on DK.

I'll go look around, but I'm wondering where to find a UID # on this site.

And hilarious diary, Lisa. I tipped & rec'd over there.

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I hope we never see it on our profiles.

Anything to keep power/status symbols as low-key as possible makes me happy.

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Why would I need to know that?

Also, sometimes when someone posts a GOS diary they've written, I can't find the LINK to it. Please make sure, if you write one, and want us to rec & comment, you put a link, as Lisa did today.
Thanks

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Some kossacks use their low UID as a kind of bragging rights emblem, to show they've been around for a long time and know whereof they speak. It's pretty silly, and is divisive by it's nature. Of course, when someone comments in an authoritative manner about FACTS and stuff they know about GOS, and they just (by their very high UID number/membership date) joined the site a few days ago, it does bring up some question about veracity, rightly or wrongly.

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mention that my C99 UID is #21. That would just be SO shallow.

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Needed today for me.

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I was lucky to be here early on. But then who cares? Wink

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hey gulfgal98 not only were you a early member early on here at caucus99% but your voice over my years on dkos always rang true. Thank you for being a real mensch throughout my time here there or anywhere. You are no matter where I read you a voice that has always had a great force for the side that these fuckers have not reckoned with. I love her and I truly care about what she advocates. Beyond Bernie beyond the current pol de jour she is a consistent voice for real democracy and real peace. Can we please stop arguing on the terms of engagement laid down by the assholes like Kos and instead focus on getting some relief. Let's all forget about kos and his ilk and get together to promote some good old fashioned grassroots democracy. Bottom up!

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you are making me cry. I love your voice too. No one tells it like it is better than you do. You cut through the crap and get right to the heart of the issues. I have learned a lot from you. (((hugs)))

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

actually your member number is 21, your UID is 34. The difference between the two is because of deleted spam accounts.

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but anyway, more importantly, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, c99p being a bunch of white people...

well I do think our membership is predominantly white but so was dKos in the very beginning. I would think, don't know for sure and don't know how to find out, that dKos is still largely white.

As we grow we'll become more diverse.

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Because I signed up last week, and as best I can tell I've got UID 2000-something.

(We are many. We are everywhere. Or at least, we're more than a few hundred.)

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yes the UIDs are above 2000 but the member numbers are in the 900s. The big difference between your member number and UID is because of deleted spam accounts.

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user names that look like this: "Twix01, Twix02, Twix03, and bbb01, bbb02, bbb03"?
lol
or are they just every day utilitarian rock crushers?

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it's only a matter of time though. Rock Crusher would be a great username, no?

I just checked the math, since Jan. of 2015 I have deleted 1,542 spam accounts. The bastids are relentless.

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I'm one of the lucky (relative) few to have a five-digit UID. Wink

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I've been visiting DKos lately a lot more due to all the Bernie news there. Starting tomorrow I'm planning to stay away, hoping enough others do that it noticeably drives down the site traffic. I will rely on Caucus 99 Percent to find out how the DKos "Bernie ban" works out.

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and that's about it. Logging out after tonight.
Markos 'says' he doesn't care about site clicks.... guess we'll see.

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given how he tried to make an example of that infantile wabbit (about as half-hearted, unserious, a warning that he could have done)

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but that's there. It's like leaving England and coming to America...or leaving Russia and coming to America...or ....well you get the point. Coming to a new land and spending all one's time complaining about the King or the Czar.

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But Trix (same person/2 IDs) is not. Or was not as of either last night or night before. I checked when someone brought up the banning. Also learned she's actually a he.

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is one of the reasons I still go there. I truly believe that Liepar Destin deserves all the love we can give to him.

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Is anyone in negotiations with LieparDestin over this?

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Does it make a difference if we log out? Does it show fewer members or anything?
Or if we go online to read BNR, if we're logged out?
Wish I knew where else LD posts it. Will look for his answer tomorrow.

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The link is in his GOS BNR.

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I'd appreciate some love. It's going up at 10am EDT. If I can post a link I will. If I can't, I'll get someone to help. Ides of March!

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Steven D's picture

It should show up here.

Post your diary here as well - with the link so we can rec - which I certainly plan to do.

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We do have people here who do not go there, so it would be nice if you can post here too, RA.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Markos crashed the gates, then he rebuilt them with mithril and gold and triple-locked them to keep out us riff-raff.

He spoke against the DLC but then got co-opted by it. Warning sign was probably when he started showing up on the "talking head" shows -- yeah, even Olbermann's.

I think since the original Great Pie Fight I've been more capable of separating the site from the management -- there are some good people over there and excellent writers (NPK and Dallasdoc's writings on Hillary's Reagan/AIDS major gaffe just two great examples) if you ignore much of the front page these days (I miss 2012 and "Mr. Bus" though). Which is why I still lurk there (mostly on mobile where I'm not logged in and the comments don't autoload) and why I'll probably head back when the primary foofraw is finally over.

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Blogging for Dollars
Hang Daily Kos, but not for taking money from Howard Dean.

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Teachout named two prominent bloggers in particular: Jerome Armstrong of myDD.com and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga of Daily Kos. "On Dean's campaign, we paid Markos and Jerome Armstrong as consultants, largely in order to ensure that they said positive things about Dean. We paid them over twice as much as we paid two staffers of similar backgrounds, and they had several other clients," Teachout wrote. "While they ended up also providing useful advice, the initial reason for our outreach was explicitly to buy their airtime. To be very clear, they never committed to supporting Dean for the payment—but it was very clearly, internally, our goal." In the past, Teachout has also fingered Matthew Gross for writing about Erskine Bowles while Gross was on the candidate's payroll.

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Moulitsas is a different case. He's never pretended to be a journalist—this past October, he told National Journal, "I am part of the media. But a journalist? No. If I had put a label on it, I would say I am an activist."—but in the year since he stopped cashing Dean's checks, he's gained a reputation as "the liberal Instapundit" and the most popular left-wing blogger. And while it's true that his role as a Dean consultant was disclosed and reported in the press on multiple occasions, it came as a surprise this week to a whole lot of people, including a lot of prominent bloggers. Perhaps more important, the people who were aware of Moulitsas' consulting work aren't 100 percent comfortable with it. "Markos is infamous for these kinds of issues. That may be too strong a word. But it's come up with Markos before," Nicco Mele, the Dean campaign's Webmaster and director of Internet operations, told me. "I can find you threads on Markos's own site about it."

Moulitsas' crime isn't taking money from Howard Dean. He, too, can get away with a suspended sentence for insufficiently disclosing his role in the Dean campaign once he was off the payroll. The hanging offense is that Moulitsas took money from other, undisclosed, political clients. And while he may have disclosed—in 2003—that he wouldn't disclose them, that's not good enough. DailyKos raised money for a dozen congressional candidates this past election. Which, if any, of them paid Moulitsas for the honor of directing his grassroots minions to part with their wallets? If you gave one of Moulitsas' preferred candidates money, wouldn't you like to know if Moulitsas' endorsement was purchased?

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If Moulitsas takes money from political candidates in 2006 and 2008 without telling you who's paying him, stop giving his recommended candidates your dollars. Here's what Moulitsas wrote about payola pundit Armstrong Williams' assertion that "There are others" on the government dole: "Until names are named, we can assume every conservative pundit is on the White House's payola rolls." That's questionable logic, but let's take Moulitsas up on his challenge: Until names are named, we can assume every Daily Kos candidate this past election wrote him a check for his consulting work.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ballot_box/2005/01/blogg...

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Monday | June 09, 2003

Full Disclosure

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But for the record, I will not discuss my role within the Dean campaign, other than to say it's technical, not message or strategy. I will also not discuss any of my other clients, including their identities (I have non-disclose agreements to which I must adhere).

Some of you may be upset, but there's nothing I can do about it. I have to make my living, and if I can do so helping Democrats win elections, I can't imagine anything more exciting and fulfilling.

Some of you Deanies may take this as an opportunity to gloat. Don't. It's not like I'm some big catch or anything. As some unnamed rival campaign noted in the New Republic, I'm just one of many "obscure bloggers". I'm cool with that. It's an accurate observation.

More importantly, I respect the entire Democratic Party field of candidates, and I think all of them would be an improvement over King George. Even Lieberman. I'll work my ass off to help our eventual nominee get elected President of the United States.

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Clarification: Before your speculations get too out of hand, let me just make clear that we are not in charge of anything over at Dean for America. We are merely technical advisors. It's really not that big of a deal. On some of the other races we are/will be working, our role will be much bigger. But Dean already has a capable web and technology team. We are just being plugged in to that already successful group of people.

http://www.dailykos.net/archives/002972.html

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Anybody asked this guy if he's still being paid to be nice??? Or is he being paid to declare the primary over on March 15th???

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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payable to Markos Moulitsas from a Clinton associate...

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

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and wasn't willing to say anything nice about her despite his hating Cuomo so much.

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the soft machine.

Markos is a tool of the machine.

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Stephen Carll's picture

That's probably the only reason I logged in to TnR the piece. I wonder how many donuts I can rack up before the deadline tomorrow?

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LL and Trix haven't shown up yet. Not their turn?

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Or perhaps they're both busy writing FP posts about how the demographic in Missouri, Ohio, and Illinois are tailor-made for a Sanders victory, and it won't be a big deal for him to win those states...

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