WTF, NYT? Perpetuating the "BernieBro" lie 2 years later
My grandfather, who passed away last year, was a lifelong and thorough reader of the New York Times. You might say he was their core demographic: A quintessential New York Jew lawyer, one of the first Jews to be admitted to Harvard, whose life was oddly spared by the Red Scare inasmuch as when he was in the Army and the Korean War broke out, his affiliation in his younger days with certain left-wing groups caused the brass to deem him too much of a security risk to send overseas. He once described himself as a "sociable socialist." I wonder what he'd say if I could show him this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/us/politics/bernie-sanders-obama-miss...
If any 2020 coalition of Sanders voters was as monochromatic as his supporters in the last campaign, he would find it nearly impossible to win the Democratic nomination, especially given the abundance of party leaders expected to run who could raid his political base of white progressives.
Dude. This has been addressed.
http://resistancereport.com/politics/harvard-poll-bernie-supporters/
What gives? Hack writer? Sloppy editor? Statistic still too obscure somehow? Do they just not care anymore?
Comments
NYT-style propaganda.
Incubated out of Democratic desperation.
Your grandfather would indulge you — but he'd believe the Times. I'm going through the exact same thing right now. The NYT wins.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
TOP still hating on Bernie
At the top of the wreck'd list: For starters, Bernie...Say his fu*king name!
You know what this reminds me of? Fox News with their "say 'islamic terrorism'" bit.
I didn't realize that the useless empty suit known as Obama deserved such respect.
It's as if Bernie's the one who cheated Hillary
And thats what they probably think, democracy be damned, Bernie cheated Hillary of her right to hoodwink us for the sake of her own grandiosity.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Well
It WAS her turn. So it's all Bernies fault (que "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to")
There's no "probably" about it
That's gospel according to the Hill-bots; tenet Number One at the sanitized TOP. Get used to it -- these people now have even more control over the national Democratic Party than they did before the 2016 election.
The Hillbamabots are all in a rage
for some perceived slight against their token hero and minority.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I am not that engaged in all sexist and racist outrage, but
I have to say that it is amazing how much dailykos has increased sexist and racist tensions among at least its audience. The dailykos blog has produced the opposite from what it had claimed in the beginning to stand for. I don't see in what way dailykos has improved the conditions for Latinos, African-Americans and women. I do not see any progress, only more of what they claim to fight against, ie I see it has been regressive.
Actually their animosity towards Bernie is that he dared
to run against Her in the first place. Someone even said that in that diary.
"Queen Hillary had to work for the nomination instead of just being coronated."
Yep. She got flagged for it. They have the same animosity towards Jill too because people had the audacity to vote for her and not Herheinous. Johnson getting Hillary's votes? His voters they understand. Why? Because.
Around 275 rec's, over a thousand comments. Big pie fight, good times....
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
If it's a corporate Democrat who says nothing about
our biggest problem...getting money out of politics...who wins the nomination, I think I'll be voting for Jill again. If I lived in a swing state, I might think more about it, but maybe this could be Jill's year. People are fed up with the 2 corrupt parties.
Beware the bullshit factories.
They keep telling me that voting for Stein was the same as
voting for Trump. If they run Biden or some other CorpoDem, I think I will vote for Trump.
Might as well be hanged for being a ram instead of for being a lamb.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Can't go along with that
and be able to digest my food.
Beware the bullshit factories.
The (D) party needs to die like the Whigs
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
What about the good D's like Kucinich and Lee?
And what about all the lizards who call themselves "R". Should they just continue on their merry, corrupt, unempathetic, nihilistic, selfish ways? Bolton is in charge and he's the one who created this whole freaking mess in Syria and the rest of the ME. Should the "D"s go and him stay along with Trump?
Beware the bullshit factories.
The (D)'s need to go and be replaced.
Or you can just surrender to the Clintons and Schumers.
They run the party and they will run it until it's gone. THIS is the lesson from 2016.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I can't agree with that.
I think none of the formers should be referred to or addressed as President So and So. They are supposed to go back into private life after their terms end. They should perhaps be respectfully addressed as Mr. So and So rather than by first name, and referred to as former President So and So. The USA is not a monarchy and we don't have royalty here.
Senator Sanders, and I still love the guy, could and should have been president but he blew it. He underestimated the depths and lengths to which Mme. Killary would go; he failed to exercise due diligence over his own campaign to expose and dismiss DNC plants; and, most important, he still to this day, IMHO, does not understand that American public opinion has decisively turned against the alliance with Israel.
Mary Bennett
As for this, from your link:
I don't think a recalibration is necessary. There are fixed guideposts that tell us everything we need to know about America's political future. This is one example, and I believe it accurately infers the 2018 and 2020 outcomes and beyond, until the collapse, regardless of who the candidates are:
They are not the market makers of the future.
They are the products being sold.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
OK
That explains a lot. " Latinos, African-Americans and women." not the
"decidedly white complexion of the Sanders coalition". More and better democrats, within a certain criteria. Got it. That explains the instant backlash so many posters experienced.
Somehow Markos reminds me of John Edwards.
@Snode JRE was far better than
JRE was far better than Markos. At least he still fights for his clients' justice against companies who refuse to admit their wrong doing.
Bernie-hate fest was in full swing at the Meese pond today. They thought that Jane & Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Nina Turner, Nomiki Konst should all be in prison for treason. Treason for going up against Clinton machine which tried to smear Bernie as a NRA darling, misogynist, and a racist ? That's rich.
Of course, Bernie called out the weaknesses of the Dem Party that have already been reported elsewhere, see Donna Brazile. Forget the context of the event which was an invitation of a socialist black mayor in the deep south. You can hardly get anyone from the Establishment Dems to go into Trump country to discuss economic justice. That would be too much effort for donors to support.
One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--Tennyson
Yeah, he was my guy
planted signs for him, did D2D during the primary, saw he and his wife in person for about 15 sec. Then watched him lie, finagle and hurt the people who cared the most about him. Not much else to say.
Does Batch understand how treason is even prosecuted?
He certainly has a lot of people being convicted of it because of made up propaganda. Hmm. What happens to people on this site if they play outside the line?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
@snoopydawg Doubtful. All
Doubtful. All squirrelandia does find ways to tell Bernie FU, whether Bernie is in the habit of telling the truth or he does not complement the baroness.
One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--Tennyson
Like It's A Good Thing
File under Damning With Faint Praise, Hillary wasn't Joe Lieberman?
And after completely ignoring every issue how was Her Heinous "running on the most liberal platform in party history"?
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Hey Pluto... Did You Read the Piketty Piece Recently?
Holy shit. Read the whole thing a few days ago.
Pretty stellar shit. Impressive to see much of my internal political algorithm expressed in math. Not joking. I could follow the math because I knew the word problem. One of the cooler experiences I've had.
His theory is super interesting, and I don't think the Establishment is prepared for the ramifications and possibilities.
Your comment made me think of it. hope all is well.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Do you have a link?
Would love to read it.
Thanks!
It's a PDF:
http://piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/Piketty2018.pdf
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Thank you!
Sounds like catastrophe theory
This quote from the abstract reminds me of an essay I wrote last year. Piketty is much smarter than me, so I look forward to reading his full essay.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
It's Really Focused on the Nativist vs Globalist Split
and how it relates to education, wealth, income, and political disposition.
It's an explanation of how the polity flips every once in a while and is in search of being able to predict the type of governing coalition or hegemony that will hold power.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Thanks for the reference to Piketty, k9disc
I had only read brief reviews about his paper in Salon: "Thomas Piketty says Bernie Sanders’ electoral strategy is the way to beat back the right" and in the Rolling Stone: "Is the two-party system doomed?"
So, I downloaded Piketty's PDF and waded into it. Piketty is adroit in using the academic context of the never-ending preface to lift the hood on the mind of the Reader and locate unique cultural or personal variables to lock on to. His meaning can come in a rush of reflection. Not that it is obscure. In fact, the object of Piketty's monograph is so familiar and ubiquitous that we forget how to differentiate it from everyday reality. And suddenly, it stands out in stark outline, along with the baggage it carries.
Oh yeah. I know that feeling. I can see, too, why it resonates for you. It does for me.
These are things we already knew — perhaps better than most since we respect the sovereignty of unallocated evidence (effects with no apparent cause, yet). But I do think it takes a certain amount of time to "believe in" the inevitable consequences of "history in the making," even when we are well aware that certain events unfolding in real time will trigger a reckoning in the future. Beyond interpreting what has happened and why, Piketty also confirms that what we saw then was the real deal. Even if our observations were denied or dismissed by the variety of fools bleating the propaganda narrative.
I found the comments at both links, above, revealing about the general state of things. The establishment elite appear as zombies, now. Walking dead. They must feel this. I would.
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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Latest 2018 Quinnipiac poll shows
Bernie with sizable advantage among Blacks, Hispanics and Asians. And women.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Ah yes, but ..........
But -- are they the right kind of "... Blacks, Hispanics and Asians. And women ...?" To the Democratic Party leadership, they most certainly are not. They don't even count.
the right kind
English Translation: they have net worth and an annual income of less than $100,000.
Like most actual Americans.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Maybe now but not then
Hillary swept the Southern primaries where voters were overwhelmingly black. And I will NEVER forget #BlackLivesMatter stopping Bernie from talking about Social Security.
I guess black live matter but gray lives don't.
For me, that whole election was fifty years of racial reconciliation flushed down the drain.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
hillary swept the southern primaries because
they were dominated by conservative southern evangelicals . The conservatives who run the D party are happy to promulgate the lie that the right wing D-voting blacks of the south are representative of the aggregate national population of blacks. The truth is that a large fraction (I'd guess a majority) of the African American south votes D only because the Republicans are so transparently -- even overtly -- racist, not because they prefer a liberal political agenda.
The HRC campaign successfully portrayed her relative strength among southern blacks as a nationwide phenomenon, but it wasn't, not ever. Her support amongst blacks in the north, and especially in the midwest, was tenuous at best, and it ultimately cost her the White House. She lost the election because she didn't turn out enough of the African American vote in Wisconsin and Michigan. In Wisconsin, it was all about Milwaukee, and they didn't give two fucks for HRC. Meanwhile, she enjoyed a small boost from Republican women all across the country, who then voted R on the downballot, crushing the Dems at the state and congressional elections. Thanks, Hil. You're a peach.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
This, and
Weren't most of those early? Bernie was just getting warmed up and many voters down there hadn't even heard of him (mostly by design).
Honestly, I approved
This is what I want out of my politicians. I want them to stop and listen... even when it's inconvenient. I thought Bernie could've handled the first one a bit better but he did fine by my book. I'm glad the #BLM activists got the mic.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
The Obama Betrayal Is Well Known
It's good to see that very sizeable percentages of all demographic groups are aware that Obama turned his back on them.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
LOL, that's priceless
So it's basically white folks who don't like Bernie Sanders and colored people who do.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
This is all about Bernie still being the most viable candidate
from ANY party.
Democratic Party Insiders are still terrified of any candidate that has a whiff of the populist or socialist about them and a huge following. They can't compete with his message so they have to kill his viability with lies and smears, through the tried and
truemegaphone of the Grey Lady.“What the herd hates most is the one who thinks differently; it is not so much the opinion itself, but the audacity of wanting to think for themselves, something that they do not know how to do.”
-Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
Bernie v. Biden
Markos sez:
I would love to see a head to head poll comparing Bernie & Biden in these groups.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
OFFS! Nothing Bernie said was not true
The democrats did lose 1,000 seats during his tenure, Correct? People did give him a pass for his drones, his upping troop levels in Afghanistan, his expansion of the war of terror and especially his regime change in Libya. Then they gave Hillary the same pass for her role in Libya.
Quick. What was the best piece of economic legislation passed during Obama's tenure? The ACA that saw people's insurance premiums go up or was it Lily Ledbetter? What did Obama do that made our lives better?
This is B.S!
This is why Obama couldn't do anything? Because people were still racist? Bull. Pucky. Besides I thought it was because the mean republicans wouldn't let him be president. Oh wait. Maybe it was because he was afraid of the CIA doing to him what they did to MLK? Pick any excuse for why he was the president that could have been.
Mentioning again that people say that he left office scandal free. Not in my book. That Donald F*cking Trump following his presidency is a direct reflection on his tenure. How people can't see that is .......
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
So?
Hillary ran on the most liberal platform in D history? So what.
She would have betrayed it the second she hit 270 EVs.
Dear Dems: You lost the WH, Senate, House, dozens of governors, state level SOS and AG and about 1,000 state legislative seats. Maybe...you're doing something wrong.
most liberal? Not bloody likely.
False statement. Hillary's "platform" was quite deliberately devoid of almost any sort of specifics of any kind. The New Deal, it wasn't -- by a long shot.
Marcus Moosetits is obviously on drugs. Bad drugs.
The boy needs a new drug:
[video:https://youtu.be/N6uEMOeDZsA]
NO joke! I've got loved ones who still tell me that they voted for Herheinous because they didn't want to risk women's reproductive rights (for just one example). Hillary Clinton would have sold those rights out in a flash before she got 270 electoral votes if it meant a better chance of getting to that point.
Trump in a girl suit.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Trump in a girl suit
This is funny. Whatever you be smoking, share.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Larceny
Trump in a girl suit.
Oh, so stealing that!
Hahahaha!
But I fixed it for you:
Trump in a
girl suitpotholder.(Always fun to have an excuse to post this):
I loove that photo of Her wearing Pot Holders
Seriously, what da fuk was she thinking to go out in public wearing that? She is even wearing them on her feet.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
pot holder
Funny, that outfit doesn't look like a roach clip to me....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Thanks, I needed that!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I thought Obama ran on theeee most liberal platform evah?
Her followers sure like to say that whenever anyone says something bad about her, don't they? This and that she won by over 3 million votes. "Popular vote loser, Trump ..."
This is how many diaries start out with on ToP. Sheesh, we get it. She got more votes than him, but it doesn't matter. She is not the president.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
She should ask Al Gore what it feels like to win
more votes. I don’t remember any Clinton outrage in 2000.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
popular vote loser
Dea gratias!
As it stands, the obsolete Electoral College dodged us a bullet. Don't expect it to go away anytime soon.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Plurality
I believe she is the only candidate who lost the EV with only a plurality of the PV. Gore at least got a majority.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
The Democrats just keep doing pig work, don't they?
Don't they ever know when to quit?
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.