Sunday Open Thread: March 18 is Anniversary of the Oil Expropriation (Mexico)

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 5:00am

Today's date is also Boomtime, Discord 4, 3184 YOLD (for you Discordians out there)

World History this day

0037 -- The Senate tossed Tiberius's will and made Caligula Emperor
1834 -- Six English labourers were sentenced to be transported to Australia for forming a trade union.
1871 -- The declaration of the Paris Commune
1915 -- Three battleships were lost during a failed Franco-British attack on the Dardanelles
1922 -- Gandhi was sentenced to six years imprisonment for civil disobedience
1938 -- Mexico created Pemex by expropriating all foreign-owned oil reserves and facilities
1970 -- Lon Nol overthrew Prince Norodom Sihanouk
1990 -- The first democratic elections in East Germany were held

US History this day

1644 -- The Third Anglo-Powhatan War started
1741 -- The New York Conspiracy of 1741 started
1850 -- American Express was founded by Henry Wells and William Fargo.
1874 -- Hawaii signed a treaty granting the US exclusive trade rights
1968 -- Congress took the U.S. off of the Gold Standard
1969 -- The US started secretly bombing Cambodia

Science & Technology this day
1965 -- Cosmonaut Alexey Leonov, became the first person to walk in space.

The Arts this day

Misc. this day
1314 -- Jacques de Molay was burned at the stake. It has been alleged that he was a reformer and was about to start reforming "any day now" (starting with yet another Crusade), and I'm sure that he was. I'm sure he and Philip IV were both ~~honorable men~~ reformers, for are we not all ~~honorable men~~ reformers? At any rate, in the end, as in the beginning, it was all about money, the Templars were just too damn rich for their own good.

Birthdays of Note this day

1634 -- Madame de La Fayette, author
1640 -- Philippe de La Hire, mathematician, painter, and astronomer
1690 -- Christian Goldbach, mathematician and conjecturer
1846 -- Kicking Bear, Native American tribal leader and Ghost Dancer
1848 -- Nathanael Greene Herreshoff, naval architect
1858 -- Rudolf Diesel, engineer and inventor
1904 -- Margaret Tucker, indigenous rights activist and author
1922 -- Seymour Martin Lipset, sociologist
1922 -- Fred Shuttlesworth, activist, co-founded the SCLC
1925 -- Alessandro Alessandroni, musician and whistler
1934 -- Charley Pride, country singer
1941 -- Wilson Pickett, singer and songwriter
1945 -- Eric Woolfson, singer, songwriter, pianist, and producer (Alan Parsons Project)
1947 -- B. J. Wilson, drummer
1951 -- Bill Frisell, guitarist and composer
1963 -- Vanessa L. Williams, model, actress, and singer
1964 -- Courtney Pine, sax and clarinet player

Deaths of Note this day

1823 -- Jean-Baptiste Breval, cellist and composer
1871 -- Augustus De Morgan, mathematician and logician
1898 -- Matilda Joslyn Gage, author, suffragist, Native American rights activist, abolitionist, and freethinker
1907 -- Marcellin Berthelot, chemist
1956 -- Louis Bromfield, farmer, conservationist and author
1978 -- Leigh Brackett, author
1980 -- Erich Fromm, psychologist and philosopher
1988 -- Billy Butterfield, trumpet and cornet player
2001 -- John Phillips, singer, songwriter and guitarist
2017 -- Chuck Berry, guitarist, singer, songwriter

Applies similarly in set theory with respect to union and intersection

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So now some music

Alessandro Alessandroni

Charley Pride

Wilson Pickett

Eric Woolfson

B. J. Wilson

Bill Frisell

Vanessa L. Williams

Courtney Pine

Jean-Baptiste Breval

Billy Butterfield

John Phillips

Chuck Berry

Photo:
Image from page 40 of "Races for the America's cup" (1893)

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Submitted by mimi on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 6:34am

So I do my thing here - there are many ways to die -

Adrian Lamo, Hacker Who Reported Chelsea Manning to the F.B.I., Dies at 37

It's really hard to 'rest in peace' if all you try to do is figuring out 'why and how someone died obviously before his time had come'.

I contemplate about so many folks getting too old, over 82 years old etc. so someone dying so early in his life, makes me angry.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 10:00am

Good morning, mimi. Who knows what goes with people's life

@mimi
spans - look at Keith Richards versus some of the goody-two-shoes types.

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Submitted by earthling1 on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 12:22pm

How does it go?

@enhydra lutris
Rather burn out brightly
Than rust.
Morning EL. Great music selection. Thanks.

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Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
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Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 8:16am

Good morning

Spring officially begins Tuesday about noon ET. However, spring has exploded here and I hope some of you are getting blooms. It is a lovely day with rain on the way tonight and tomorrow. All the best to those of you who faced the snow last week. The tables will turn this summer when it is pushing 100 degrees here and you have cool temps day and night.

Have a good Sunday everybody!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 9:47am

Good morning, Lookout. The apricot has been blooming for over a

@Lookout
week. The apple just got its first two flowers yesterday and both my Savoy cabbages bloomed, one flower stalk is over 3 feet tall (I'm waiting to see what happens). The other was just starting to bloom and it went into yesterday's corned beef.
Heading up north for the night, so I'll see what's going on up thataway.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by Tall Bald and Ugly on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 9:13am

Nat(and his son?)

designed some of the prettiest boats ever built. Too bad most were let go over the years. Like most artists, they were temperamental, mercurial, perfectionists.
Made pretty boats, though.

Stop These Fucking Wars

peace

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Now you know. . .
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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 9:43am

Good morning TBU. I saw that name and knew I had to find

@Tall Bald and Ugly
a kick-ass boat picture for this column. Luckily, the archive came through again. Two of his sons, Sidney Dewolf Herreshoff and Lewis Francis Herreshoff, were also yacht designers. He built 5 America's Cup defenders and they all won:
Vigilant, 1893 (with Herreshoff at the helm)
Defender, 1895
Columbia, 1899 & 1901
Reliance, 1903
Resolute, 1920

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 10:09am

Thanks, el. I had never heard of the NY Conspiracy.

So, as I sometimes do, I googled, finding out something else I did not know: In 1741, Manhattan, which is but one borough of NYC, had the second largest slave population of any colonial city.

The Conspiracy of 1741, also known as the Negro Plot of 1741 or the Slave Insurrection of 1741, was a purported plot by slaves and poor whites in the British colony of New York in 1741 to revolt and level New York City with a series of fires. Historians disagree as to whether such a plot existed and, if there was one, its scale. During the court cases, the prosecution kept changing the grounds of accusation, ending with linking the insurrection to a "Popish" plot by Spaniards and other Catholics.[1]

In 1741 Manhattan had the second-largest slave population of any city in the Thirteen Colonies after Charleston, South Carolina. Rumors of a conspiracy arose against a background of economic competition between poor whites and slaves; a severe winter; war between Britain and Spain, with heightened anti-Catholic and anti-Spanish feelings; and recent slave revolts in South Carolina and Saint John in the Caribbean. In March and April 1741, a series of 13 fires erupted in Lower Manhattan, the most significant one within the walls of Fort George, then the home of the governor. After another fire at a warehouse, a slave was arrested after having been seen fleeing it. A 16-year-old Irish indentured servant, Mary Burton, arrested in a case of stolen goods, testified against the others as participants in a supposedly growing conspiracy of poor whites and blacks to burn the city, kill the white men, take the white women for themselves, and elect a new king and governor.[1]

In the spring of 1741 fear gripped Manhattan as fires burned across all the inhabited areas of the island. The suspected culprits were New York's slaves, some 200 of whom were arrested and tried for conspiracy to burn the town and murder its white inhabitants. As in the Salem witch trials and the Court examining the Denmark Vesey plot in Charleston, a few witnesses implicated many other suspects. In the end, over 100 people were hanged, exiled, or burned at the stake.

Most of the convicted people were hanged or burnt – how many is uncertain. The bodies of two supposed ringleaders, Caesar, a slave, and John Hughson, a white cobbler and tavern keeper, were gibbeted. Their corpses were left to rot in public. Seventy-two men were deported from New York, sent to Newfoundland, various islands in the West Indies, and the Madeiras.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Conspiracy_of_1741

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbeting

Posters on various boards tend to pooh pooh wiki. I am not sure why. I find it very useful.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 10:08am

Good morning, HAW. I hadn't heard of it either. That's partly

@HenryAWallace
why I included it, especially the information about Manhattan's slave population. Wiki isn't definitive on a great many thinks but it is great for stuff like this, I agree.

So, as I sometimes do, I googled, finding out something else I did not know: In 1741, Manhattan, which is but one borough of NYC, had the second largest slave population of any colonial city. The Conspiracy of 1741, also known as the Negro Plot of 1741 or the Slave Insurrection of 1741, was a purported plot by slaves and poor whites in the British colony of New York in 1741 to revolt and level New York City with a series of fires. Historians disagree as to whether such a plot existed and, if there was one, its scale. During the court cases, the prosecution kept changing the grounds of accusation, ending with linking the insurrection to a "Popish" plot by Spaniards and other Catholics.[1] In 1741 Manhattan had the second-largest slave population of any city in the Thirteen Colonies after Charleston, South Carolina. Rumors of a conspiracy arose against a background of economic competition between poor whites and slaves; a severe winter; war between Britain and Spain, with heightened anti-Catholic and anti-Spanish feelings; and recent slave revolts in South Carolina and Saint John in the Caribbean. In March and April 1741, a series of 13 fires erupted in Lower Manhattan, the most significant one within the walls of Fort George, then the home of the governor. After another fire at a warehouse, a slave was arrested after having been seen fleeing it. A 16-year-old Irish indentured servant, Mary Burton, arrested in a case of stolen goods, testified against the others as participants in a supposedly growing conspiracy of poor whites and blacks to burn the city, kill the white men, take the white women for themselves, and elect a new king and governor.[1] In the spring of 1741 fear gripped Manhattan as fires burned across all the inhabited areas of the island. The suspected culprits were New York's slaves, some 200 of whom were arrested and tried for conspiracy to burn the town and murder its white inhabitants. As in the Salem witch trials and the Court examining the Denmark Vesey plot in Charleston, a few witnesses implicated many other suspects. In the end, over 100 people were hanged, exiled, or burned at the stake. Most of the convicted people were hanged or burnt – how many is uncertain. The bodies of two supposed ringleaders, Caesar, a slave, and John Hughson, a white cobbler and tavern keeper, were gibbeted. Their corpses were left to rot in public. Seventy-two men were deported from New York, sent to Newfoundland, various islands in the West Indies, and the Madeiras. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Conspiracy_of_1741 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbeting Posters on various boards tend to pooh pooh wiki. I am not sure why. I find it very useful.

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 10:24am

For me, wiki is great for overviews and context. If some issue

@enhydra lutris

or point is hotly disputed, by all means, check other sources. Perhaps the Talk section of wiki, where the wiki editors discuss why the wiki article took the position it did should be one of those other sources, but not the only one. And, of course, in every instance, think for yourself. Whether its wiki or the Encyclopedia Britannica or the NYT or the LAT, or a source with which you usually agree (for me, Greenwald, Johnstone, and the like), always think for yourself, as I know you do, el.

Sadly, few things tick many posters off more than disagreeing with their pet theory or favorite analyst, or favorite politician. So, be prepared.

Submitted by earthling1 on Sun, 03/18/2018 - 1:01pm

The collective wisdom

of millions of people is much more valuable than the narrow view of learned
scholars.....always. As an example, for two thousand years highly educated clergy have been touting the existance of a supernatural being without any actual proof.
But I agree, think for yourself.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.