DNC: Primary rigging is protected by the 1st Amendment
If you are like me, you probably thought the DNC fraud lawsuit was over last August when a Florida judge dismissed the class-action suit.
It turns out that last month the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals "found jurisdiction sufficient for the case to proceed on appeal".
On Friday DNC lawyers submitted their arguments to the court, and they were, to put it mildly, enlightening.
The document, provided by the law offices of the Attorneys for the Plaintiffs in the case, Jared and Elizabeth Beck, and appears to argue that if the Democratic Party did cheat Sanders in the 2016 Presidential primary race, then that action was protected under the first amendment
That is certainly an unusual use of the first amendment.
The DNC lawyers also noted that they took offense to Plaintiffs’ counsel Jared Beck "repeatedly referring to the DNC as “shi*bags”. I'm not sure why they take offense to this accurate description.
But let's get back to the lawsuit.
The DNC defense lawyers then argued:There is no legitimate basis for this litigation, which is, at its most basic, an improper attempt to forge the federal courts into a political weapon to be used by individuals who are unhappy with how a political party selected its candidate in a presidential campaign.”
The brief continued:
…To recognize any of the causes of action that Plaintiffs allege based on their animating theory would run directly contrary to long-standing Supreme Court precedent recognizing the central and critical First Amendment rights enjoyed by political parties, especially when it comes to selecting the party’s nominee for public office.”
And what is this long-standing procedure for selecting a party's nominee?
If all that weren’t enough, DNC representatives argued that the Democratic National Committee had no established fiduciary duty “to the Plaintiffs or the classes of donors and registered voters they seek to represent.”
No fiduciary duty to represent the voters.
That's what the DNC thinks of Democrats.
By the way, the DNC needs your money.
Comments
Apparently everything is protected under the 1st Amendment
if it involves words.
Everything except saying things critical of the Democratic Party's preferred nominee. That's fake news and may mean that you are a Russian spy.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
And, of course, such speech
toward our precious Hillary is Not protected by The First, so There, you evil Berniecrats! Take That!
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Of course!
The Queen is above the law!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness Off with their heads.
Off with their heads.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
DAPL protests and Occupy found no protection in the
First Amendment, which is odd since they were protesting their government for redress of grievances.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
@Lily O Lady That is strange, isn't
That is strange, isn't it? If we're going to go on and on about well-regulated militias (which always makes me want to ask people when they drill on the village commons) perhaps we should sometimes go on a bit about petitioning for redress of grievances.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
OT- The preferred nominee & hubby are having
bad day. When the ladies of The View call you names, you know you’ve got a YUGE PR problem.
Yeah, it’s because of Slick’s wandering penis, not a rigged primary or a fraudulent Dossier that’s caused the worst scandal this country has ever experienced, but #metoo!!!!! And the left is gonna beat that horse all the way to the next election. It’s funny that after ALL THIS TIME we’re finally rid of them because of something a majority of the ‘Left’ played down and basically ignored for two decades. But I’ll take it.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
When you've lost The View...
Agreed that it's missing the forest for the trees, but it is interesting to watch this play out.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
@Amanda Matthews So now Monica is saying
So now Monica is saying it was sexual abuse? Or did someone else describe it that way?
Because last time I heard, she was saying it was consensual.
I don't know of many abuse victims who save and treasure their perpetrator's semen on their clothes. I have no judgement of her for doing that, but it does seem to undermine the notion that she was abused or forced.
And I know all about the way abusers manufacture consent and get the kid to be "willing" to have sex, but again, I know of nobody who experienced that, even in their teens, who saved semen-stained clothing or any other mementos of sex with their abusers. That seems to bespeak either a trophy or, alternatively, a degree of affection or even love. None of which goes very well with being a victim.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Agreed.
Of all Bill's notorious conquests, Monica seems to be one of the few who was NOT sexually abused.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
@Not Henry Kissinger Yeah, I don't know
Yeah, I don't know why the hell we keep talking about her. There are several other women who have come forward that we could talk about.
I'm guessing that it's an attempt to conflate all forms of sexual impropriety with rape.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Well, it was she, incidentally or not, who saved SS from Bill Clinton and his merry band of fellow-conspirators, which should also be remembered and laid to the Clinton's account, as were so many women to the male half. It's so hard to even keep track of the many Clinton-related known/strongly suspected crimes and abuses that reminders are certainly in order, lol.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/10/30/how-monica-lewinsky-saved-social...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North I'm grateful.
I'm grateful. Not sure whether that was an intended effect. It's one of the things I'd like to know that I probably never will.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Monica Lewinsky says she was victim of 'abuse of authority' in
Monica Lewinsky says the #MeToo movement has forced her to think again about whether she was able to consent to a sexual relationship with Bill Clinton and the power dynamics at work between a president and a twenty-something intern.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/26/monica-...
Yep. Ms. Presidential Knee Pads Thong Snapper is now a victim of nasty old Slick.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@Amanda Matthews Well, Mission
Well, Mission Accomplished, then! Propaganda torpedoes hit their mark!
Or did somebody pay her, or alternatively, tell her what she'd damned well better say?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Amanda Matthews Were the power
Were the power dynamics wrong for a healthy relationship? You damn betcha.
Was it wrong for him to get blow jobs from her? Certainly. It's an abuse of his professional position as boss.
Does that mean her experience is the equivalent of victims of rape? Of childhood sexual abuse? Or even of unwanted sexual harassment in the workplace? Of anybody who is literally unable to give consent, because of physical force or economic intimidation? No.
Again, victims of abuse don't treasure mementos of the abuse.
As a sexual abuse survivor, I find this muddying of the term "abuse," and the conflation of experiences like Lewinsky's with my own, contemptible.
And as Not Henry Kissinger points out, if we want to support #MeToo, why aren't we talking about the women that claim that Bill Clinton actually raped them? Nobody talks about them. Why? Because somebody sees profit or power in making all sexual impropriety the same thing as rape.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
As I recall ...
She came to DC to "do" the President and told her girlfriend in California "it's time to go to DC and put on my Presidential knee pads".
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
And now they fawn over Gropey Joe...
Go to 13:30 to watch him throw Hillary under the bus.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
The Donorclass National Committee
works very hard standing up to voters in favor of their well paying constituents.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
fine,
Fine with me if the DNC mucky mucks want to hand select the next presidential candidate. Just do it, and say so. Can't wait to see who they come up with in 2020. Maybe they'll give Hillary another chance.
As far as 2016, they can't lie about it beforehand, and say there is a legitimate primary, and allow millions of unsuspecting people to spend their money, volunteer their time for a charade.
Also, another primary candidate, believing it was an actual primary, spent a year of his life, criss-crossing the country, not knowing it was a cruel joke.
So, it's a little late for that particular defense.
@OLinda I'd bet it's a 50/50
I'd bet it's a 50/50 chance it's HER.
If they need money, they should borrow some
from the DSCC and the D-trip. They are, apparently, rolling in it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
So all those in jail
for fraud should be released. I can go back to being a Nigerian Prince and this time in service of the Democratic Party!
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
@jim p So should that Navy guy
So should that Navy guy who took pictures of his sub for his family at home. He's currently wearing an anklet for compromising national security. Since it's OK to expose sensitive material to anybody who has basic digital skills across the globe, we need to get that anklet off him pronto.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The DNC Charter and Bylaws
PDF - Charter & Bylaws
Note Charter Article 8, Section 1: The Democratic Party of the United States shall be open to all who desire to support the Party and who wish to be known as Democrats.
Unless you're a BernieBro, or a progressive, or a deplorable, or a woman who will burn in hell for not supporting Hillary, or a ...
And Charter Article 9, Section 8: To assure that the Democratic nominee for the office of President of the United States is selected by a fair and equitable process, the Democratic National Committee may adopt such statements of policy as it deems appropriate with respect to the timing of Presidential nominating processes and shall work with state Parties to accomplish the objectives of such statements.
Except when front-loading the primary calendar with southern states to assure a win for Hillary Clinton, and when assigning hundreds of superdelegates to Clinton before the first primary is held, and when ...
They had their fingers crossed when they wrote those
those words. /s
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
OT: Interesting happenings at CPAC
Someone actually told the truth
I'm told that 14 is the age of consent in Alabama
So he's NOT a child molester according to Alabama law. Just an icky sleazebag dirty old man.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Alabama
"Twenty-third Psalm Majordomo
Reserve me a table for three
Down in the Valley of the Shadows
for You, Alabama, and me....."
-- Grateful Dead, "Alabama Getaway" (Garcia/Hunter)
[video:https://youtu.be/AcMYPkga_CU]
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The age of consent
is actually 16 in Alabama.
I stand corrected.
When I was younger one could marry without parents consent at 14 in Kentucky. Is that still true?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Mona Charen, an old time
Reagan Republican, has Always
been a defender of the party.
Surprising she took on the
New Guard. Good for her.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
@Wink Just part and parcel of
Just part and parcel of the Reagan and Bush Republicans using Trump and his supporters to rebuild their shattered reputations.
Just ask Dick Painter, the ethics lawyer for the second George W. Bush administration. Trump is really, really bad and they never would have put up with that stuff in the Bush administration. By implication, Painter and the entire Bush administration are now good, because they oppose Trump, who is bad.
It is to gag.
How can I get away from this wrestling Pay-per-view.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Oh, I agree.
In the end Mona just
a flaming Reagan Repub.
I was just surprised she acknowledged
the fuckery becuz it likely wouldn't have
happened even 3 years ago. Mona ch ch ch changin'?
Not likely. But it was an unexpected surprise.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Taking TWO wives, when they were 13 and 14 — OK if you’re Syrian
The original, establishment-media Spiegel TV segment — currently causing a bit of a stir and providing grist for the right-wing mill — did its best to present this Syrian asylum seeker’s way of life — strictly speaking, illegal in Germany — in a sympathetic light.
“Thanks, Mama Merkel” — the state-subsidized family life in Pinneberg near Hamburg of an illiterate Syrian man with his six children and two wives, whom he married when they were 13 and 14.
https://www.rt.com/news/419407-germany-refugee-two-wives/
In German:
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article173743693/Vielehe-in-Pinneberg-Sy...
http://www.spiegel.tv/videos/1279861-ein-mann-zwei-ehefrauen-sechs-kinder
Underage by Western standards: is it child molestation when a practicing Muslim does it? The Left is all over the map on this, but invoking multiculturalism, tends to withhold judgment and say no. Multiculturalism “trumps” feminism.
The (outgoing) Social Democratic justice minister Heiko Maas avowed back in 2016 that Merkel’s CDU-SPD grand-coalition government was going to start cracking down on German authorities’ toleration of illegal polygamous marriages and child marriages. But it never happened.
https://www.thelocal.de/20160614/justice-minister-wants-to-end-toleratio...
lol, may be someone should think about this
"Women, you can't live with them, you can't live without them", but you always can live with them and not marry them. So, it's not that much of a problem, right?
And how does an African, Muslim or otherwise, prove to German authorities that he is married legally to a underage or adult-age age woman in his country or origin?
May be there is some paperwork about it back in their home countries of origin in these days, but that wasn't always the case. And if there is paperwork, how many "marriage certificates" should the man bring? Five or more? I guess that would mean German authorities would have a LOT of work do and who pays them?
Then a logically thinking man would say, ok, I declare now one of my many wives to be the legal one to the German authorities. Boy, I would be mad, if I were the second, third or fourth woman. That's unfair. Rebellion in the harem !!! I want my share to 'the man'.
What about the children, are they "illegal" children, when they can't prove that their parents have been legally married, because their mom was also according to German laws "a child (underaged for German law)".
I admit I always chuckle when folks get confused. And don't ask about inheritance issues especially if the man has not have a will.
Heiko Mass, I wish you luck. But I would say it's a lost battle before you even begin fighting it.
https://www.euronews.com/live
@lotlizard It's a bit disturbing
It's a bit disturbing to me to see polyamory thrown into the same bucket with child marriage.
As for child marriage...
Let me put it this way--I think it's a bad idea to marry girls at such a young age, especially in cultures where they will be bearing children very often. Even if menses occurs at 9 or 10, I think it inadvisable for a body that's not full-grown to be asked to do one of the physically hardest things a human being can do. Unless you consider them throwaway people to be replaced when you've worn them out.
But I would not consider a Syrian man who married a 13-year-old as the same as my abuser who had sex with me when I was 13. Probably, the Syrian man doesn't view a 13-year-old as a child. He may be wrong, in physical terms--I think he is. But to him, he's not having sex with a child, whereas to my abuser, he damned well knew he was having sex with a child. By the same token, at 12 and 13, I was not yet socialized to be an adult. In my mind, I was still a kid, and powerless. It was therefore horribly traumatic to have the person who should have been one of my primary caregivers alter our relationship in that way. I had not even begun to think of sex yet, with anybody. I don't know how Syrian girls feel about themselves. But if it is commonplace to marry them at 13 or 14, then surely the girls themselves are socialized to think of themselves as adults, and sexual beings, by that age.
We tend to forget that Juliet was 13--and her mother thought she was getting a bit long in the tooth, and said that many of her contemporaries were already mothers!
As I said, I think this is problematic physically, and cultures should not do it. But that doesn't mean that the act means the same thing in those other cultures that it does in mine--or than it did in Shakespeare's time. People here are children until 18. They are generally expected to start experimenting sexually with their peers sometime in their teens. For an adult to have sex with them before the age of consent is a betrayal. It is abuse. We all know that. What that act means, in our culture, IS ABUSE.
That doesn't mean other cultures can do anything and everything and be free from moral judgement.
What it comes down to, for me, is that I'm all for being respectful of other cultures, but every culture does bad shit, too. If Mohammed actually married a 7-year-old who came to his house with her dolls, and men now take that as justification for marrying 7-year-olds, that is simply ridiculous, and has to be viewed as child abuse. 7-year-olds haven't even reached menses. The same goes for 9- and 10-year-olds who reach menses. Can you look at their bodies and imagine them carrying a child to term? Is that remotely sensible? Some things are just bad. I also throw clitorectomies into that pile.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
She's lucky the conference was a gun free zone.
Imagine a room full of stupid with AR15s slung over their shoulders talking to banker Jesus. What are the odds would of them would hear God say, shoot her!.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Political parties and the process
As I have posted here on several occasions, I have a problem with a private organization controlling the election processes. While the lawyers for the DNC have argued that it is okay to have private political parties offering up their candidates of choice, regardless of HOW they are chosen, those private entities have been allowed to dictate the entire political process from bottom to top, usually without disclosure.
For this reason, the DNC fraud lawsuit is important. Once a private organization can solicit money from the public while misrepresenting what that donor money will be used for, then they have committed fraud.
And for this voter, I have another huge problem with the role of political parties in our election system. When a political party can dictate who can vote in that party's primary which is being paid for by all the voters, I have a real problem. The two major political parties combined are barely comprised of the majority of registered voters in this county. That means that over 40% of all registered voters in the United States are effectively disenfranchised from participating in primary elections that they helped fund through their tax dollars. Also during the primary elections, the two parties each get to set the primary election schedule as well as the number and timing of the debates for their candidates. Yet they do not pay for the costs incurred for the privilege of dictating how those primary elections are conducted.
Further, on the national level, the two major political parties have shut out candidates from minor parties or independent candidates from participating in the debates. So we the people only get to hear debate from two sides of the same corporate coin.
Theoretically, elections should reflect the will of the voters. But the DNC argument is that elections and the will of the voters does not matter. If this is correct, then why are we wasting the time of the voters who often are forced to stand in line for hours to cast a ballot that does not matter? And why are the taxpayers being forced to subsidize the cost of this charade for a private corporation?
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@gulfgal98
Perfectly describing the situation! I hope that you're posting this freely all over the universe, especially where those who may not have thought of this aspect can see it!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
It takes a lot to get a smile out of me these days, but
"Shitbags" had me laughing my ass off.
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
So, going by their objections
So, going by their objections to an accurate description of themselves, do they now argue that only money belonging to/stolen by corporate interests/lackeys and the defrauding of their own membership/electoral cheating are protected free speech? Not applying to the public's money, of course, until The Right Person gets hold of it.
I'd love to see a psychiatric evaluation of these guys...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.